Military Forum for Russian and Global Defence Issues


    S-300/400/500 News [Russian Strategic Air Defense] #1

    Share
    avatar
    GarryB
    Colonel
    Colonel

    Posts : 16007
    Points : 16662
    Join date : 2010-03-30
    Location : New Zealand

    Re: S-300/400/500 News [Russian Strategic Air Defense] #1

    Post  GarryB on Fri Jun 27, 2014 11:35 am

    IIRC , Russian TELs have historically been cheaper to produce compared to Western analogues .

    Much much cheaper, because there are no western analogs.

    The major question however will be whether the S 500 can intercept an ICBM like Topol or Minuteman III ?

    It should be able to intercept standard MIRV warheads (from no matter what the missile it is launched/delivered from). It will have problems intercepting MARV warheads designed to evade ABM systems... which the S-500 is.

    BTW the Abrams uses a standard length German 120mm gun, a Belgian coaxial MG (FN MAG), and British designed armour... although a very heavy user of fuel, and a bit of a heavyweight vehicle it is a very good tank for the US and its needs and it generally does an excellent job at killing the enemy and protecting its crew.


    _________________
    “The West won the world not by the superiority of its ideas or values or religion […] but rather by its superiority in applying organized violence. Westerners often forget this fact; non-Westerners never do.”

    ― Samuel P. Huntington, The Clash of Civilizations and the Remaking of World Order
    avatar
    magnumcromagnon
    Colonel
    Colonel

    Posts : 4503
    Points : 4684
    Join date : 2013-12-05
    Location : Pindos ave., Pindosville, Pindosylvania, Pindostan

    Re: S-300/400/500 News [Russian Strategic Air Defense] #1

    Post  magnumcromagnon on Fri Jun 27, 2014 11:56 pm

    GarryB wrote:
    IIRC , Russian TELs have historically been cheaper to produce compared to Western analogues .

    Much much cheaper, because there are no western analogs.
    .

    Especially considering what you could potentially lose if you don't have a modern and advanced IAD, the costs of such losses are orders of magnitude greater.
    avatar
    collegeboy16
    Colonel
    Colonel

    Posts : 1195
    Points : 1218
    Join date : 2012-10-05
    Age : 20
    Location : Roanapur

    Re: S-300/400/500 News [Russian Strategic Air Defense] #1

    Post  collegeboy16 on Sat Jun 28, 2014 5:54 am

    Vann7 wrote:
    Russia advantage is that they have very modern state of the art  Air and space defenses like S-400 and S-500 ,but also very modern
    and state of the art ICBMs .that only have months in service. So they can test their own air defenses with their own ballictic manuevarable warheads. Russia also have Kinetic projectiles with a small nuclear warhead in case their first defenses fail.  So any Minuteman 3 launched from a submarine will need to bypass hundreds of S-400s or S-500s missiles attacks. And probably EMP attacks too that Russia have. before reach moscow and their nuclear defenses activate.
    dont forget s-300v4. they have iskander to test against it, so its the best of its class.
    avatar
    dino00
    Junior Sergeant
    Junior Sergeant

    Posts : 116
    Points : 161
    Join date : 2012-10-12
    Location : portugal

    Re: S-300/400/500 News [Russian Strategic Air Defense] #1

    Post  dino00 on Mon Jul 07, 2014 11:11 am

    Russia successfully test-launches long-range interceptor missile able to hit up to ten ballistic targets


    Russia has successfully test-launched a long-range interceptor missile which will be brought into service of a promising air defense missile system S-500, ITAR-TASS reports on Monday.

    "Test-launches were made in late June. All goals and tasks set within this event were fulfilled completely," the source noted.
    He noted that air defense system-producing concern Almaz-Antey was developing an air defense missile system of new generation S-500 fully in line with the deadlines set in the state-funded armament program until 2020.
    According to open sources, S-500 will be able to detect and hit simultaneously up to ten ballistic targets flying with a speed of up to seven kilometers per second and warheads of hypersound cruise missiles.
    Air defense missile system S-500 combat capabilities are planned to surpass air defense missile system S-400 Triumf currently in combat service and its US rival - a defense missile system RAS-3, the latest model of air defense missile system Patriot.

    http://voiceofrussia.com/news/2014_07_07/Russia-successfully-test-launches-long-range-interceptor-missile-able-to-hit-up-to-ten-ballistic-targets-1363/
    avatar
    magnumcromagnon
    Colonel
    Colonel

    Posts : 4503
    Points : 4684
    Join date : 2013-12-05
    Location : Pindos ave., Pindosville, Pindosylvania, Pindostan

    Re: S-300/400/500 News [Russian Strategic Air Defense] #1

    Post  magnumcromagnon on Mon Jul 07, 2014 6:56 pm

    dino00 wrote:Russia successfully test-launches long-range interceptor missile able to hit up to ten ballistic targets


    Russia has successfully test-launched a long-range interceptor missile which will be brought into service of a promising air defense missile system S-500, ITAR-TASS reports on Monday.

    "Test-launches were made in late June. All goals and tasks set within this event were fulfilled completely," the source noted.
    He noted that air defense system-producing concern Almaz-Antey was developing an air defense missile system of new generation S-500 fully in line with the deadlines set in the state-funded armament program until 2020.
    According to open sources, S-500 will be able to detect and hit simultaneously up to ten ballistic targets flying with a speed of up to seven kilometers per second and warheads of hypersound cruise missiles.
    Air defense missile system S-500 combat capabilities are planned to surpass air defense missile system S-400 Triumf currently in combat service and its US rival - a defense missile system RAS-3, the latest model of air defense missile system Patriot.

    http://voiceofrussia.com/news/2014_07_07/Russia-successfully-test-launches-long-range-interceptor-missile-able-to-hit-up-to-ten-ballistic-targets-1363/

    So it's official, S-500 can now intercept war heads flying at Mach 20.57, up to 10 at a time...the real question is that per TEL or per Battery. If it's per battery that's great, if it's per TEL that's simply amazing! I'm leaning more that it's per battery.

    I'm guessing that S-500 missile warheads were either HE or Kinetic which is excellent, a nuclear tipped version would definitely have even superior performance than those conventional warheads, but of course Russia signed the nuclear testing ban treaty so testing those warheads aren't really an option.
    avatar
    medo
    Colonel
    Colonel

    Posts : 3130
    Points : 3222
    Join date : 2010-10-24
    Location : Slovenia

    Re: S-300/400/500 News [Russian Strategic Air Defense] #1

    Post  medo on Mon Jul 07, 2014 7:47 pm

    dino00 wrote:Russia successfully test-launches long-range interceptor missile able to hit up to ten ballistic targets


    Russia has successfully test-launched a long-range interceptor missile which will be brought into service of a promising air defense missile system S-500, ITAR-TASS reports on Monday.

    "Test-launches were made in late June. All goals and tasks set within this event were fulfilled completely," the source noted.
    He noted that air defense system-producing concern Almaz-Antey was developing an air defense missile system of new generation S-500 fully in line with the deadlines set in the state-funded armament program until 2020.
    According to open sources, S-500 will be able to detect and hit simultaneously up to ten ballistic targets flying with a speed of up to seven kilometers per second and warheads of hypersound cruise missiles.
    Air defense missile system S-500 combat capabilities are planned to surpass air defense missile system S-400 Triumf currently in combat service and its US rival - a defense missile system RAS-3, the latest model of air defense missile system Patriot.

    http://voiceofrussia.com/news/2014_07_07/Russia-successfully-test-launches-long-range-interceptor-missile-able-to-hit-up-to-ten-ballistic-targets-1363/

    Excellent. So now is S-500 missile officially in testing. I wonder, when they will show the prototype of S-500.
    avatar
    magnumcromagnon
    Colonel
    Colonel

    Posts : 4503
    Points : 4684
    Join date : 2013-12-05
    Location : Pindos ave., Pindosville, Pindosylvania, Pindostan

    Re: S-300/400/500 News [Russian Strategic Air Defense] #1

    Post  magnumcromagnon on Mon Jul 07, 2014 8:08 pm

    medo wrote:
    dino00 wrote:Russia successfully test-launches long-range interceptor missile able to hit up to ten ballistic targets


    Russia has successfully test-launched a long-range interceptor missile which will be brought into service of a promising air defense missile system S-500, ITAR-TASS reports on Monday.

    "Test-launches were made in late June. All goals and tasks set within this event were fulfilled completely," the source noted.
    He noted that air defense system-producing concern Almaz-Antey was developing an air defense missile system of new generation S-500 fully in line with the deadlines set in the state-funded armament program until 2020.
    According to open sources, S-500 will be able to detect and hit simultaneously up to ten ballistic targets flying with a speed of up to seven kilometers per second and warheads of hypersound cruise missiles.
    Air defense missile system S-500 combat capabilities are planned to surpass air defense missile system S-400 Triumf currently in combat service and its US rival - a defense missile system RAS-3, the latest model of air defense missile system Patriot.

    http://voiceofrussia.com/news/2014_07_07/Russia-successfully-test-launches-long-range-interceptor-missile-able-to-hit-up-to-ten-ballistic-targets-1363/

    Excellent. So now is S-500 missile officially in testing. I wonder, when they will show the prototype of S-500.

    How many Russian SAM's are capable of intercepting ballistic targets? Here's the ones I know off the top of my head: The new Pantsir being developed is capable of intercepting ballistic targets (on the lower envelopes of hypersonic speed), Buk-M3 will be able to intercept ballistic targets flying at 3 km/s or Mach 8.8, the S-400 is capable of engaging targets flying at 5 km/s or Mach 14.7, and now finally S-500 is capable of intercepting ballistic targets flying at 7 km/s or Mach 20.6...that's pretty damn amazing! Is there any others that I forgot to mention?
    avatar
    medo
    Colonel
    Colonel

    Posts : 3130
    Points : 3222
    Join date : 2010-10-24
    Location : Slovenia

    Re: S-300/400/500 News [Russian Strategic Air Defense] #1

    Post  medo on Mon Jul 07, 2014 8:52 pm

    magnumcromagnon wrote:
    medo wrote:
    dino00 wrote:Russia successfully test-launches long-range interceptor missile able to hit up to ten ballistic targets


    Russia has successfully test-launched a long-range interceptor missile which will be brought into service of a promising air defense missile system S-500, ITAR-TASS reports on Monday.

    "Test-launches were made in late June. All goals and tasks set within this event were fulfilled completely," the source noted.
    He noted that air defense system-producing concern Almaz-Antey was developing an air defense missile system of new generation S-500 fully in line with the deadlines set in the state-funded armament program until 2020.
    According to open sources, S-500 will be able to detect and hit simultaneously up to ten ballistic targets flying with a speed of up to seven kilometers per second and warheads of hypersound cruise missiles.
    Air defense missile system S-500 combat capabilities are planned to surpass air defense missile system S-400 Triumf currently in combat service and its US rival - a defense missile system RAS-3, the latest model of air defense missile system Patriot.

    http://voiceofrussia.com/news/2014_07_07/Russia-successfully-test-launches-long-range-interceptor-missile-able-to-hit-up-to-ten-ballistic-targets-1363/

    Excellent. So now is S-500 missile officially in testing. I wonder, when they will show the prototype of S-500.

    How many Russian SAM's are capable of intercepting ballistic targets? Here's the ones I know off the top of my head: The new Pantsir being developed is capable of intercepting ballistic targets (on the lower envelopes of hypersonic speed), Buk-M3 will be able to intercept ballistic targets flying at 3 km/s or Mach 8.8, the S-400 is capable of engaging targets flying at 5 km/s or Mach 14.7, and now finally S-500 is capable of intercepting ballistic targets flying at 7 km/s or Mach 20.6...that's pretty damn amazing! Is there any others that I forgot to mention?

    There are different ballistic targets, from Grad rocket to ICBM. Pantsir and Tor could intercept small ballistic targets. Buk-M1-2 and M2 could intercept ballistic targets with speed to 1,5 km/s, S-300V and S-300PMU2 could intercept ballistic targets with speed to 3 km/s, S-300V4 and S-400 could intercept ballistic targets to speed 4,8 km/s and S-500 to speed 7 km/s. We will see, what capabilities will have S-350, but I think S-350 could have at least same capabilities like S-300PMU2 with 3 km/s. but could as well 4,8 km/s as S-400, considering S-400 also use those missiles. Depend on radar and its limitations.
    avatar
    TR1
    Colonel
    Colonel

    Posts : 5728
    Points : 5768
    Join date : 2011-12-06

    Re: S-300/400/500 News [Russian Strategic Air Defense] #1

    Post  TR1 on Mon Jul 07, 2014 9:48 pm

    Yeah I don't see what little Pantsir would do to any serious sized ballistic weapon. Not with the current missile.

    I am guessing the capability is more aimed at intercepting MLRS precision munitions or the like.
    avatar
    Viktor
    Colonel
    Colonel

    Posts : 5673
    Points : 6324
    Join date : 2009-08-25
    Age : 36
    Location : Croatia

    Re: S-300/400/500 News [Russian Strategic Air Defense] #1

    Post  Viktor on Tue Jul 08, 2014 12:16 am

    magnumcromagnon wrote:So it's official, S-500 can now intercept war heads flying at Mach 20.57, up to 10 at a time...the real question is that per TEL or per Battery. If it's per battery that's great, if it's per TEL that's simply amazing! I'm leaning more that it's per battery.

    First: Only missile was tested not the whole system but nevertheless very important event took place today

    Second: Smallest operational unit is battery so whenever you hear that something guides x missiles on y targets it it is referred to battery or or even bigger regiment even in case
               TELAR within battery can search and guide missiles on their own they are still talking about battery unless specially specified.



    magnumcromagnon wrote:I'm guessing that S-500 missile warheads were either HE or Kinetic which is excellent, a nuclear tipped version would definitely have even superior performance than those conventional warheads, but of course Russia signed the nuclear testing ban treaty so testing those warheads aren't really an option.

    about 400 nuclear tipped surface to air missiles exists today within Russian PVO Very Happy as I read and those warheads are really an excellent option mainly for breaking up

    huge ECM and huge enemy fighter formations.

    Arrow
    Junior Sergeant
    Junior Sergeant

    Posts : 140
    Points : 140
    Join date : 2012-02-12

    Re: S-300/400/500 News [Russian Strategic Air Defense] #1

    Post  Arrow on Wed Jul 09, 2014 12:37 pm

    So it was a test a new 77N6 missile ?
    avatar
    magnumcromagnon
    Colonel
    Colonel

    Posts : 4503
    Points : 4684
    Join date : 2013-12-05
    Location : Pindos ave., Pindosville, Pindosylvania, Pindostan

    Re: S-300/400/500 News [Russian Strategic Air Defense] #1

    Post  magnumcromagnon on Wed Jul 09, 2014 7:58 pm

    Chinese state television confirms S-500's stellar performance:

    Chinese media: Russian S-500 anti-missile system is well above the Patriot

    According to the Chinese television network CCTV, in 2020 Russia will have a weapon whose parameters all have passed all the latest developments in U.S. missile defense. This is the S-500 missiles capable of shooting down hypersonic system.

    Under heavy U.S. pressure, which does not cease to develop new missile systems, Russia has also accelerated the development and adoption of anti-aircraft systems, the most promising of which is the S-500, whose tests were successfully concluded in late June, recalls the recent report of CCTV . features really impact system. Russian media say that the S-500 exceeds in all respects to the latest Patriot anti-missile systems 3 and THAAD Americans, being able to easily shoot down the U.S. new hypersonic missiles the project Prompt Global Strike (Fast Global or PGS attack, for its acronym in English). According to Itar-Tass , the missile system S-500 may be adopted by the Russian Army before 2020. The S-500 is a system surface-to-air new generation designed to intercept intercontinental ballistic missile systems, airborne early warning and control and electronic warfare systems such as the Boeing EA-18G Growler. With a wide range of missiles 600 km range, the S-500 could separately detect and destroy ballistic and cruise missiles and low-orbit satellites and hypersonic missile warheads (with speed of over Mach 5) in the end of his career. The system is equipped with a new type of high powered AESA radar. The detection range of the radar ranges between 800 and 900 kilometers, which is 150-200 kilometers which the S-400, currently in service . Furthermore, the S-500 radar can simultaneously follow targets 10 hypersonic flying at a speed of 7 km / s, just the speed of hypersonic cruise missile Boeing X-51, the speed range varies from 1 to 7 miles per second.

    Complete text en: http://actualidad.rt.com/actualidad/view/133513-china-antimisiles-s500-patriot-rusia?utm_source=browser&utm_medium=aplication_chrome&utm_campaign=chrome

    avatar
    Werewolf
    Colonel
    Colonel

    Posts : 5367
    Points : 5610
    Join date : 2012-10-24

    Re: S-300/400/500 News [Russian Strategic Air Defense] #1

    Post  Werewolf on Wed Jul 09, 2014 8:18 pm

    Really?

    S-300 is already superior to any Patriot system, not even counting S-400.
    avatar
    magnumcromagnon
    Colonel
    Colonel

    Posts : 4503
    Points : 4684
    Join date : 2013-12-05
    Location : Pindos ave., Pindosville, Pindosylvania, Pindostan

    Re: S-300/400/500 News [Russian Strategic Air Defense] #1

    Post  magnumcromagnon on Wed Jul 09, 2014 9:42 pm

    Werewolf wrote:Really?

    S-300 is already superior to any Patriot system, not even counting S-400.

    I got a chuckle when they compared the S-500 to the Patriot System. What? Are we gonna start comparing Lamborghini's and Ferrari's with Yugo's and Ford Pinto's lol?!?! Not to mention they're not even in the same class lol!
    avatar
    Mike E
    Colonel
    Colonel

    Posts : 2774
    Points : 2832
    Join date : 2014-06-19
    Location : Bay Area, CA

    Re: S-300/400/500 News [Russian Strategic Air Defense] #1

    Post  Mike E on Sat Jul 12, 2014 8:17 pm

    "Yes, they can." Maybe in your dream world. Yes, computers can be made MORE secure, but not perfectly secure. Like I mentioned earlier; it simply isn't true.
    avatar
    Mike E
    Colonel
    Colonel

    Posts : 2774
    Points : 2832
    Join date : 2014-06-19
    Location : Bay Area, CA

    Re: S-300/400/500 News [Russian Strategic Air Defense] #1

    Post  Mike E on Sat Jul 12, 2014 8:37 pm

    magnumcromagnon wrote:
    GarryB wrote:A computer can be 100% secure... simply keep it locked up in a steel safe and let no one else have access to it and keep it under 24 hour guard.

    not very useful however.

    Network access makes the computers vulnerable, but also most useful.

    Back doors like wireless connections and blue tooth add threat dimensions, but at the end of the day no network is totally secure and to make it so will slow it down and limit it to the point where it will not be useful.

    I have a question Garry, it's not related to viruses but with the creation of Zirconium scramjet cruise missile, what's the likeliness that scramjets find their way on to S-400/S-500 SAM missiles? Will it allow the missiles to have increased speed and range but with smaller dimensions, or is this just pure fantasy and not applicable to SAM missile fundamental properties?

    Funny you mention that. I've been thinking about the same thing, S-400/S-500 like missiles with either Ramjets or Scramjets. As with other missiles, throwing out the Solid rocket would increase range, possibly increase speed, and definitely shrink the size (all depending on the design).

    Scramjets characteristics are still relatively unknown, so Ramjets would be the safer bet. Ramjets also allow for the missile to throttle down to around Mach 1, which could improve range dramatically.

    As for size, look at the MBDA Meteor. It has an air-launched range of over 320 km, and weighs only ~400 lb. (For comparison, the RVV-SD weighs about the same, but can only travel 110 km, albeit at a slightly higher speed.) 

    The K-77ME will have a Ramjet, and possibly a Scramjet in the future. (It has an air-launched range of around 250 km.)

    Sponsored content

    Re: S-300/400/500 News [Russian Strategic Air Defense] #1

    Post  Sponsored content


      Current date/time is Fri May 26, 2017 11:17 am