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    Re: S-300/400/500 News [Russian Strategic Air Defense] #1

    Post  TR1 on Sun 19 Jan 2014, 05:09

    Think about that for a second.

    A missile with tops 400km range can intercept something at 3,500 KM altitude?

    The page says "ballistic missiles with a launch rage of 3500km" which is what we have heard before.

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    Post  Austin on Sun 19 Jan 2014, 05:13

    Yes it says BM corresponding to a range of 3500 km.

    S-400 40N6 missile is designed to intercept any target flying max at 5 km/sec ...kinetically speaking

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    Post  Vann7 on Mon 20 Jan 2014, 14:00

    Austin wrote:Yes it says BM corresponding to a range of 3500 km.

    S-400 40N6 missile is designed to intercept any target flying max at 5 km/sec ...kinetically speaking

    So whats the max altitude the S-400 can be used to intercept ballistic missiles ?   The 400k range figure is in the normal airspace.. that offer significant resistance to missiles . In the space Orbit however there is no air.. resistance is less.. challenges still exist like extreme temperatures ,radiation ,special fuel and other things..

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    Post  etaepsilonk on Mon 20 Jan 2014, 17:16

    Vann7 wrote:
    Austin wrote:Yes it says BM corresponding to a range of 3500 km.

    S-400 40N6 missile is designed to intercept any target flying max at 5 km/sec ...kinetically speaking

    So whats the max altitude the S-400 can be used to intercept ballistic missiles ?   The 400k range figure is in the normal airspace.. that offer significant resistance to missiles . In the space Orbit however there is no air.. resistance is less.. challenges still exist like extreme temperatures ,radiation ,special fuel and other things..  

    For 40N6, about 185 km.

    For 48N6, about 60 km.
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    Post  Viktor on Tue 21 Jan 2014, 01:11

    etaepsilonk wrote:
    Vann7 wrote:
    Austin wrote:Yes it says BM corresponding to a range of 3500 km.

    S-400 40N6 missile is designed to intercept any target flying max at 5 km/sec ...kinetically speaking

    So whats the max altitude the S-400 can be used to intercept ballistic missiles ?   The 400k range figure is in the normal airspace.. that offer significant resistance to missiles . In the space Orbit however there is no air.. resistance is less.. challenges still exist like extreme temperatures ,radiation ,special fuel and other things..  

    For 40N6, about 185 km.

    For 48N6, about 60 km.

    Correct but this data accounts only for Russian S-400 version. Export version is much lower in characteristics but still best there is.

    Nice video of S-400/55K6 command post/Pancir-S1/91N6 etc


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    Post  Vann7 on Tue 21 Jan 2014, 13:59

    etaepsilonk wrote:
    Vann7 wrote:
    Austin wrote:Yes it says BM corresponding to a range of 3500 km.

    S-400 40N6 missile is designed to intercept any target flying max at 5 km/sec ...kinetically speaking

    So whats the max altitude the S-400 can be used to intercept ballistic missiles ?   The 400k range figure is in the normal airspace.. that offer significant resistance to missiles . In the space Orbit however there is no air.. resistance is less.. challenges still exist like extreme temperatures ,radiation ,special fuel and other things..  

    For 40N6, about 185 km.

    For 48N6, about 60 km.


    And what Russia have to intercept ballistic missiles higher than than 185km? The SM-3 is rated as a exosphere ballistic interceptor
    and you need a missile with at least a 640km altitude for playing at the layer in the atmosphere.

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    Post  etaepsilonk on Tue 21 Jan 2014, 14:25

    Vann7 wrote:
    etaepsilonk wrote:
    Vann7 wrote:
    Austin wrote:Yes it says BM corresponding to a range of 3500 km.

    S-400 40N6 missile is designed to intercept any target flying max at 5 km/sec ...kinetically speaking

    So whats the max altitude the S-400 can be used to intercept ballistic missiles ?   The 400k range figure is in the normal airspace.. that offer significant resistance to missiles . In the space Orbit however there is no air.. resistance is less.. challenges still exist like extreme temperatures ,radiation ,special fuel and other things..  

    For 40N6, about 185 km.

    For 48N6, about 60 km.


    And what Russia have to intercept ballistic missiles higher than than 185km?  The SM-3 is rated as a exosphere ballistic interceptor
    and you need a missile with at least a 640km altitude for playing at the layer in the atmosphere.

    For higher tier ABMs, I think, Russians have A-135 gazelle and upcoming S-500.

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    Post  Vann7 on Tue 21 Jan 2014, 15:16

    etaepsilonk wrote:
    Vann7 wrote:
    etaepsilonk wrote:
    Vann7 wrote:
    Austin wrote:Yes it says BM corresponding to a range of 3500 km.

    S-400 40N6 missile is designed to intercept any target flying max at 5 km/sec ...kinetically speaking

    So whats the max altitude the S-400 can be used to intercept ballistic missiles ?   The 400k range figure is in the normal airspace.. that offer significant resistance to missiles . In the space Orbit however there is no air.. resistance is less.. challenges still exist like extreme temperatures ,radiation ,special fuel and other things..  

    For 40N6, about 185 km.

    For 48N6, about 60 km.


    And what Russia have to intercept ballistic missiles higher than than 185km?  The SM-3 is rated as a exosphere ballistic interceptor
    and you need a missile with at least a 640km altitude for playing at the layer in the atmosphere.

    For higher tier ABMs, I think, Russians have A-135 gazelle and upcoming S-500.


    As far i have seen the A-135 intercept ICBMs when they are at 32k altitude using nukes.. the A-235 apparently is an improved version.
    with similar interception..

    http://missilethreat.com/defense-systems/a-235-samolet-m/

    So i suppose had to be the S-500 their SM-3 exosphere interceptor equivalent and people speculate will be mid -course too..
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    Post  Viktor on Tue 28 Jan 2014, 15:31

    This year will two regiments of the S-400 go to the Leningrad region but that is not the interesting news. What is interesting is that for the first time ever,

    Ria News reports range of the new S-400 system as 400km  Very Happy 

    Each system is capable of up to 400 kilometers to simultaneously fire up to 36 targets with guided them to 72 missiles

    Anti-aircraft missile systems S-400 will go on for the first time WEST

    Which has sense as we had previous statement that:

    - Long range missile of the 40N6 is tested and entered mass production from 2012

    New S-400 Long-Range Missile Ready For Service – Official (2012 statement)

    "Almaz-Antey" completes the creation of longer-range missiles for S-400 (2013 statement)

    - and Almaz-Antey official statement that the two regiments of S-400 that will be delivered by the end of 2013 will represent "modernized" versions of the S-400 in comparison with

      former S-400 (although note that that "modernized" veersion does not represent official modernization announced to 2015 or so)

    "Opportunities to grow substantially"

    and the link where I summed up all that is said LINK


    and as a reminder: 3 regiments of S-400 in 2014 bringing total number of regiments to 10  thumbsup 

    Putin: three sets of S-400 put into service in 2014

    and while we are at it does not hurt to repeat this great news also

    Annual Report MMZ "Vanguard" for the year 2012

    A report of "MMZ" Vanguard " in 2012 reported that the main profile and purpose of the enterprise is determined primarily by the release of serial modifications 48N6 products, whose share in the total production of 99.3%, the production capacity of the plant in conjunction with the ongoing reconstruction of the units provide an increase in output of products and 48N6 modifications up to a total of 600 units

    Which all together representss tromendous increase in production capability of Almaz-Antey


    besides - any ideas about this, could it be the one??






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    Post  Arrow on Wed 29 Jan 2014, 23:05

    Journalists write that the S-400 has a range of 400 km for many years, but S-400 i still without 40N6. Now S-400 is maximum range about 250 km and use still old 48N6 missile from S-300 system.

    egiments of S-400 in 2014 bringing total number of regiments to 10 wrote:

    It's still very little, if Russia wants to have a strong air defense system in other regions than in Moscow.
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    Post  Viktor on Wed 29 Jan 2014, 23:31

    Arrow wrote:Journalists write that the S-400 has a range of 400 km for many years

    Yes, you are right. I can`t believe I never saw it  Embarassed 



    Arrow wrote: but S-400 i still without 40N6.

    Perhaps it is and perhaps its not. Development phase is over and perhaps the missile already found its way to S-400 system.



    Arrow wrote:Now S-400 is maximum range about 250 km and use still old 48N6 missile from S-300 system.

    48N6E3 (lattest iteration of the very good 48N6 missile) - export model has 250km range - Russian version perhaps has even more range, besides 250km is an excellent range



    Arrow wrote: It's still very little, if Russia wants to have a strong air defense system in other regions than in Moscow.

    28 regiments of S-400 will be made up to 2020. Of course system will be produced after 2020. Thats ok if we take in the consideration all the other SAMs being produced.



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    Post  TR1 on Thu 30 Jan 2014, 05:34

    So currently Russia operates 80 launchers, and by the end of the year we are expecting another 32 or possibly 48 launchers.

    So to take a (absurd) average, 40+80 = 120 launchers alone, x4 tubes each = 480 tubes.

    Just on S-400 alone, Russia has stronger AD than 99% of countries lol.

    Not bad, not bad at all, numbers finally coming together.
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    Post  Viktor on Thu 30 Jan 2014, 11:41

    TR1 wrote:So currently Russia operates 80 launchers, and by the end of the year we are expecting another 32 or possibly 48 launchers.

    So to take a (absurd) average, 40+80 = 120 launchers alone, x4 tubes each = 480 tubes.

    Just on S-400 alone, Russia has stronger AD than 99% of countries lol.

    Not bad, not bad at all, numbers finally coming together.

    Actually the number is much bigger.

    7 (regiments) x 2 (battery per regiment) x 8 (launchers per battery) x 4 (tubes per launcher) = 448 tubes (present status)

    by the end of 2014 two more S-400 regiments will join in so:

    2 (regiments) x 2 (battery per regiment) x 8 (launchers per battery) x 4 (tubes per launcher) = 128 tubes

    (note that Putin ordered 3 regements that must enter during 2014) so in that case:

    3 (regiments) x 2 (battery per regiment) x 8 (launchers per battery) x 4 (tubes per launcher) = 192 tubes

    all in all by the end of 2014 Russia will have either 576 or 640 tubes depending on the number of regiments delivered (2 or 3).




    Perfect shooting by S-400 at Astrahan region Kapustin Yar (newly delivered regiments of S-400) and now heading to their permanent deployment site in Leningrad


    Entered service EKR set C-400 had shot an "excellent"

    "Martial calculations Connection defense, arrived at the landfill" Kapustin Yar "from the suburbs, in a complex interference environment conducted maneuvers with live firing of S-400" Triumph "and accurately hit more than 10 target missiles simulating ballistic missiles, and low-altitude tactical air conditioned purpose at all altitudes and speeds, "- said Zolotukhin.

    According to him, to create an environment as close to combat, simulated combat environment options of various levels of difficulty. Now the new S-400 "Triumph" is loaded on railway platforms, after which they will be shipped to the point of permanent deployment - in one of the suburban air defense missile regiments Air and Missile Defense Command EKR.
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    Re: S-300/400/500 News [Russian Strategic Air Defense] #1

    Post  medo on Thu 30 Jan 2014, 19:37

    As I know, Russia have 7 regiments of S-400 now, 3 regiments around Moscow, 1 regiment in Kaliningrad, 1 regiment in Leningrad region, 1 regiment in Far East in 1 regiment in Novorossiysk. 7 regiments have 14 battalions, each with 8 launchers, so they have now 112 launchers and 14 radar completes. in 2014 they will receive 3 regiments, what is 6 battalions, what is 48 launchers, so at the end of the year, Russian VKO will have 160 launchers and 20 radar completes.
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    Post  TR1 on Thu 30 Jan 2014, 20:01

    I thought it was 5 regiments?

    http://lenta.ru/news/2014/01/29/s400/

    "В настоящее время на вооружении России сформированы пять полков С-400. "

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    Post  medo on Thu 30 Jan 2014, 20:05

    They have 5 regiments at the end of 2012. 2 around Moscow, 1 in Far East, 1 in Kaliningrad and 1 in Novorossiysk. It seems they didn't count those delivered in 2013. Maybe they are not in their locations yet.
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    Post  Viktor on Thu 30 Jan 2014, 22:22

    medo wrote:They have 5 regiments at the end of 2012. 2 around Moscow, 1 in Far East, 1 in Kaliningrad and 1 in Novorossiysk. It seems they didn't count those delivered in 2013. Maybe they are not in their locations yet.

    Those two regiments are being transporter by rail to some location near St.Petersburg as we speak.

    @TR1 - there are currently 7 regiments delivered to Russian PVO troops and by the end of 2014 their number will climb to 10  Very Happy 

    When you look at it, from the 2007 (when S-400 deliveries started till the 2013 total of 5 S-400 regiments where delivered - for a period of 6 years)

    now in just 2 years (3 times less time) 5 more S-400 regiments will be delivered until 2015/16 when production of S-400 regiments will be further increased to

    at least 5 S-400 regiments per year  Very Happy


     cheers 
    Russian troops begin to receive three regiments of S-400 in the year

    Russian armed forces from 2014 onwards will receive two or three sets of regimental air defense missile systems S-400 a year. On this, as reported by RIA Novosti, said CEO of the cerebral system Design Bureau "Almaz-Antey" Vitaly Neskorodov. wrote:
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    Post  Viktor on Wed 12 Feb 2014, 16:03

    by Paralay: .... what do you think?  Very Happy 

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    Post  GarryB on Thu 13 Feb 2014, 00:55

    Interesting but not sure why the 9M100 would have such a slim nose as it is not hypersonic and extra volume near the nose would be useful for electronics and explosive etc.


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    Post  SOC on Thu 13 Feb 2014, 10:14

    That's probably just an artifact of the graphics program. Looks to be raster rather than vector.
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    Post  Morpheus Eberhardt on Fri 14 Feb 2014, 13:32

    GarryB wrote:Interesting but not sure why the 9M100 would have such a slim nose as it is not hypersonic and extra volume near the nose would be useful for electronics and explosive etc.



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    Post  Austin on Fri 28 Feb 2014, 18:34

    [url=http://en.ria.ru/news/20140228/187971313/Russia-Plans-553Bln-Expenditure-On-Aerospace-Defense-by-2020.html]Russia Plans $55.3Bln Expenditure On Aerospace Defense by 2020 [/url]


    MOSCOW, February 28 (RIA Novosti) – Russia’s military will invest 2 trillion rubles ($55.3 billion) in building up its aerospace defense weapons over the next six years, defense officials said Friday.

    Deputy Defense Minister Yury Borisov said the goal is to spend the funds on developing the Aerospace Defense Forces, or VKO, by 2020 to make sure they were capable of combating existing and future types of air and space attacks.

    The VKO, a military branch created in 2011, unites air and missile defense systems with early missile warning and space control mechanisms and is a top priority of the state armament program.

    President Vladimir Putin, during a visit to an air defense systems plant in St. Petersburg in June, said 3.4 trillion rubles ($94.2 billion) would be allocated for development of the VKO by 2020.

    A press spokesman said the two figures were related to the same 2020 rearmament push, but the reason for the discrepancy in figures was not immediately clear.


    Wonder why the two figures , Did they reduce the spending for VKO ?
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    Post  Viktor on Fri 28 Feb 2014, 22:50

    Austin wrote:Wonder why the two figures , Did they reduce the spending for VKO ?

    Roughly:

    - 10 S-500 = 10 x 500 = 5 bin $
    - 56 S-400 = 56 x 400 = 22.4 bin $
    - 48 S-300V4 = 48 x 350 = 16.8 bin $ (debatable number)
    - 30 S-350 = 30 x 150 = 4.5 bin $
    - 100 Pancir-S1 = 100 x 20 = 2 bin $
    - 100?? Tor-M2 = 100 x 20 = 2 bin $
    ------------------------
    = 52.7 bin $ (export prices are taken in the consideration and Russian prices could be even 1/2 of that)

    Still what is missing:

    - Morfei (unknown quantities)
    - BUK-M3 (unknown quantities)
    - Pancir-SM (unknown quantities)
    - MANPADS (Verba)
    - Modernization of Tor-M1 // BUK-M1 // S-300P // S-300V //
    - Different and huge number of radar sets and their command posts
    - Different and huge number ECM/ECCM equipment
    - Different and huge number of decoys
    - Satelite constelation
    - A-235 (new system)
    - modernization of A-135 (up to a point)
    - aviation component ??

    What has been done and what will be done by the year 2014. Now Austin take in the consideration that this article reffers for the next 6 years meaning 2010-2014 is not included in the 55.3 bin $ number and by than Russian will do:


    - modernization of S-300Ps (by 2015 all of them should be modernized)
    - modernization of S-300Vs (most likely by 2015 all of them will be modernized - 6 brigades all in all)
    - modernization of Tor-M1/BUK-M1 most likely (unknown numbers)
    - modernization of radar troops ( unknown number)
    - 10 S-400 will be in place
    - at least one new regiment of S-300V4
    - 30-50 new radar sets + new command posts (in 2014 year alone)
    - 15-25 Pancir-S1 on top of 30-40 or so Pancir-S1
    - TOR-M2 ??
    - BUK-M2 ??
    - aviation ?
    - ECM/ELINTunits ??


    I dont know - 3.4 trillion rubles is more comfortable number but perhaps its hiding in some other entries.

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    Post  Viktor on Thu 06 Mar 2014, 13:00

    Another big one  thumbsup 

    The largest teaching WEST air defense forces is near Astrakhan

    Around 3500 people and more than a thousand pieces of equipment gathered in the Astrakhan region on the largest exercise of the defense of the Western Military District
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    Post  mack8 on Thu 06 Mar 2014, 21:23

    Great resume Viktor, thank you!

    Wonder why the two figures , Did they reduce the spending for VKO ?

    Could it be that the difference might account for interceptors (ongoing MiG-31BM upgrade, possibly another large number of stored MiG-31 being upgraded, and the MiG-41?) and perhaps things like A-60 in a much improved form, plus like Viktor points satellite and other space based systems? Not to mention the possibility of some top secret stuff that we have no clue about. Smile 

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