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    Re: S-300/400/500 News [Russian Strategic Air Defense] #1

    Post  Viktor on Sat Nov 30, 2013 2:30 pm

    Rpg type 7v wrote:
    Viktor wrote:After annunciation of the new PVO academy, new PVO training ground right next to Ashuluk (Astrakhan region) and based on its concept (but bigger)

    Ministry of Defence signed a contract for construction of a landfill near Astrakhan
    not only 1 but according to the article ,they plan on 4 test polygons in each military sector.
    very good. new weapons will need some training.
    why arent kazahstans used anymore, if they are in csto?
    Yes you are right, they plan to build 4 new testing ground for PVO. Incredible. I think they are using ground in Kazahstan mostly for testing new missiles but once done exercises with 

    SAM systems are done only in Russia. 


    Austin wrote:S-300V4 will come along on 2015 and so will BUK-M3 , i posted the interview here some time back.
    That we know but what we dont know is how many and when. Putin spoke of 9 S-300V brigades by 2020.

    At the moment Russia has 4 or 5 S-300V brigades that are being upgraded to S-300V4 standard and we know from the pictures on previous pages than new S-300V4 are being made.

    We also know about this. 

    Defense Ministry, Almaz-Antey sign contract for delivery of S-300V4 missile systems (Part 2).

    From my understanding that would mean that 1 new fully equiped S-300V4 brigade will be made by 2016. That leaves 4-5 year to make another 3-4 S-300V4 brigades but also from 2015

    Almaz-Antej will have several new production factories and several old ones fully modernized which will increase production rapidly. 

    sepheronx wrote:Holy hell, the influx of retards on mp.net regarding the S-400's around moscow was outstanding.
    I saw. Funny thing is that they are not even aware of the basic. I bet mindstorm would add that If they where fully aware of the scope of the damn thing they would commit mass suicide momentarily Laughing Laughing Laughing
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    Post  SOC on Sat Nov 30, 2013 11:17 pm

    Rpg type 7v wrote:why arent kazahstans used anymore, if they are in csto?
    Emba, where tactical SAM systems were tested like the original Buk and S-300V, has been closed for a long time and that activity moved to Kapustin Yar.

    The other main range in Kazakhstan is Sary Shagan, which Russia does still use for ABM test firings. I wouldn't be surprised if the S-500 was tested there rather than Kapustin Yar. The original S-300P was the last strategic SAM system to be tested at Sary Shagan, as again all that activity moved to Kapustin Yar as well.
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    Post  mack8 on Sat Nov 30, 2013 11:58 pm

    Austin wrote:S-300V4 will come along on 2015 and so will BUK-M3, i posted the interview here some time back.
    Would it be possible to link to that interview Austin, i must have missed it unfortunately. Thank you.
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    Post  TR1 on Wed Dec 04, 2013 1:50 pm

    http://dimmi-tomsk.livejournal.com/232277.html

    S-400 + Pantsir in the snow.
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    Post  Viktor on Wed Dec 04, 2013 10:17 pm

    24min S-400 video (TR1 can you please check if there is something we should know Very Happy  )


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    Post  Rpg type 7v on Fri Dec 06, 2013 8:38 pm

    they have tested it as early as in january 1999 against balistic targets at kapustin yar.

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    Post  Rpg type 7v on Fri Dec 06, 2013 8:43 pm

    SOC wrote:
    Rpg type 7v wrote:why arent kazahstans used anymore, if they are in csto?
    Emba, where tactical SAM systems were tested like the original Buk and S-300V, has been closed for a long time and that activity moved to Kapustin Yar.

    The other main range in Kazakhstan is Sary Shagan, which Russia does still use for ABM test firings.  I wouldn't be surprised if the S-500 was tested there rather than Kapustin Yar.  The original S-300P was the last strategic SAM system to be tested at Sary Shagan, as again all that activity moved to Kapustin Yar as well.
    I was thinking more about Ashuluk which is part in russia/ part in kazahstan and 150km across.
    they use it most of time.
    but yes sary shagan too for its extreme ranges.i think it was largest by area.
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    Re: S-300/400/500 News [Russian Strategic Air Defense] #1

    Post  Viktor on Sat Dec 07, 2013 4:30 pm

    Interesting new moment. Expert.ru website in their article claims that this year Russia will receive 6 S-400 batteries. Until few months ago we did not know anything 

    about the planned S-400 deliveries in 2013. We knew that they where going to happen but how much - nothing official. I suspected that it would be at least on the same level as 

    in the year before and few months ago we found out that 2 S-400 regiments will be delivered by the end of 2013. Now that is excellent and great pace of deliveries in comparison with 

    earlier times but at the same time we all assumed that per regiment we will see 2 S-400 batteries which is a minimum number of batteries needed to form a regiment. Now this is the first 

    time I hear that by 2013 Almaz-Antej will deliver 6 S-400 batteries and as we know from earlier announcements that 2 S-400 regiments will be delivered by 2013 I have no other option 

    (in case this is true) but to conclude that for the first time S-400 regiment delivered to Russian Army will constitute of 3 S-400 batteries. 

    In 2013, the armament of various parts of the Russian army battalions received six anti-aircraft missile system S-400 "Triumph".


    Almost Soviet pace


    Thing is that up until now all announcements regarding S-400 deliveries where made in reference to regiments not batteries and we knew from all earlier deliveres that Russian S-400 

    regiments are made of 2 S-400 betteries. Now things might change. In case this proves to be truth, would mean that during 2014 when 3 S-400 regiments are scheduled to be delivered 

    we would see actually 9 S-400 batteries delivered instead of 6.

    That would also mean 66% increase in planned S-400 battery deliveries (2014/2011) on top of 50% increase of regimental deliveries (2014/2013) Very Happy Very Happy Very Happy and we 

    havent even touched year 2015 when 18 new and modernized Almaz-Antej factories will start popping up SAMs Very Happy Very Happy Very Happy

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    Post  etaepsilonk on Sat Dec 07, 2013 5:32 pm

    To Viktor:

    "we knew from all earlier deliveres that Russian S-400
    regiments are made of 2 S-400 betteries."

    Is this really right? I thought a regiment is comprised of 4 batteries (2 battalions) unshaven 
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    Post  Viktor on Sat Dec 07, 2013 7:32 pm

    etaepsilonk wrote:To Viktor:

    "we knew from all earlier deliveres that Russian S-400
    regiments are made of 2 S-400 betteries."

    Is this really right? I thought a regiment is comprised of 4 batteries (2 battalions) unshaven 
    Yup thats right. Regarding S-300 you have next situation:

    In PVO you have 

    battery -> regiment -> brigade

    Up to 6 batteries make one regiment and 2 regiments form one brigade. (although I suspect that Russian regiment can be made of up to 8 batteries)



    In V-PVO you have

    regiment -> brigade 

    (battery is non-existant in V-PVO and smallest unit (building block) is regiment)

    Up to 4 batteries make one regiment and up too 3 regiments form one brigade. (although you can not buy one S-300V battery (two is the minimum))



    Now dont mix battalions and batteries because in PVO battalions mark the smallest operational unit (battery) but in V-PVO, battalion is the word used to describe a regiment (up to 4 

    batteries - which by the way does not exist as a autonomous operational unit) Very Happy Very Happy Very Happy 

    So I suggest we stick to battery -> regiment -> brigade as it is easiest to understand. 

    Btw - journalist share their burden of responsibility for confusing people.


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    Post  Austin on Sun Dec 15, 2013 5:18 am

    Came across this in militaryrussia.ru , can some one translate the key points from infograph

    http://i58.servimg.com/u/f58/15/54/62/79/lang_v10.jpg

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    Re: S-300/400/500 News [Russian Strategic Air Defense] #1

    Post  Austin on Sun Dec 15, 2013 5:20 am

    via paralay

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    Post  Viktor on Sun Dec 15, 2013 6:27 pm

    Striking similarity 

    Look at 40N6 from the paralay picture Austin posted



    and look at the same missile in Almaz Antey factory right below the logo (peaceful sky - is our business)

    even the colours are the same (gray and white at the same places) 

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    Post  SOC on Sun Dec 15, 2013 8:46 pm

    You guys appear to have rediscovered one of the S-75 target conversions. All that's missing is the booster at the back.

    Also, while the 9M82/3 would certainly seem like good starting points, there's no evidence I've seen to suggest that they are related to the 77N6.

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    Post  Arrow on Sun Dec 15, 2013 10:36 pm

    So it finally showed 40N6 :)This missile is two stage?
    It looks like Ks-172 missile
    http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/4/41/KS-172_NTW_-_94.jpg

    77N6 will be modification of 9M82 missile ?
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    Post  TR1 on Sun Dec 15, 2013 10:45 pm

    It's just a target conversion, not sure why Paralay used it...
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    Post  Viktor on Mon Dec 16, 2013 3:13 am

    SOC wrote:You guys appear to have rediscovered one of the S-75 target conversions. All that's missing is the booster at the back.

    Also, while the 9M82/3 would certainly seem like good starting points, there's no evidence I've seen to suggest that they are related to the 77N6.

    It could be I dont know. I just noticed the striking similarity and remembered that I have seen this missile somewhere when Austin posted paralay drawing.

    On the other hand we have few more things to consider:

    1. I have never seen any S-75 missile modification for target use as this one which of course does not mean it does not exist
    2. Dimensionally missiles 48N6 and "S-75 target missile" tend to be compatible as both of them have 0.5m in diameter but "S-75 target missile" is 0.5m longer than 48N6 
        which could in regard to 48N6 mean that "S-75 target missile" is just like 48N6 missile with the booster for longer range. 
    3. If you look at the picture by itself you have 48N6 and 9M96 missile by it and the only missile thats missing from completing full S-400 missile arsenal is in fact 40N6 and there you have
        this modified "S-75 target missile" laying just next to them. 

    Perhaps it is and perhaps its not but in either case I would not disregard it so easily.

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    Post  Austin on Mon Dec 16, 2013 4:43 am

    Looking at the nose cone of S-500 and 40N6 missile and assuming whar pralay put up is true ....they have Radar Sensors and no IIR type Sensors.

    May be their multirole capability preludes then using IIR sensors .....unlike American SM-3 which have IIR sensor for KKV.
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    Post  TR1 on Mon Dec 16, 2013 10:57 am

    Paralay's drawings are mere conjecture, and anyways they are supposed to show scale, not any true detail.

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    Post  Arrow on Mon Dec 16, 2013 11:01 pm

    So in this picture it is not 40N6?
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    Post  TR1 on Mon Dec 16, 2013 11:16 pm

    Arrow wrote:So in this picture it is not 40N6?

    Unless they purposefully made 40N6 look identical to Strizh target.....no.
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    Post  dino00 on Sun Dec 22, 2013 4:02 pm

    in what target missile range, will 40N6 be able to intercept?
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    Post  Viktor on Tue Dec 24, 2013 9:17 pm

    Arrow wrote:So in this picture it is not 40N6?

    400km in distance and 185km in altitude.
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    Post  TheArmenian on Thu Dec 26, 2013 11:58 am

    Two regiments of S-400 delivered.
    Total in service is now 7.

    http://sdelanounas.ru/blogs/45404/


    Headend system design bureau (GSKB) "Almaz-Antey" December 26, 2013 at Kapustin Yar in Astrakhan region handed the Ministry of Defense of Russia two sets of regimental air defense missile systems S-400. Plan on Transfer of military complexes in the current year has been executed successfully, soobschaetLenta.ru referring to "Interfax". Before delivery technique rigorously tested.

     In September of this year, CEO GSKB "Almaz-Antey" Vitaly Neskorodov said that since 2014 the Russian military will be supplied by two or three sets of regimental S-400. Current state armaments program for 2011-2020 provides for the purchase of 28 sets of regimental air defense systems. Given the supply held by Russian armed currently stand seven regiments of S-400.

     Where exactly will be posted new complexes is still unknown. The first five regiments of S-400 were formed in the suburbs, in the Baltic and the Pacific Fleet and Southern Military District. The composition of each regiment consists of two divisions of S-400 with eight launchers each. Since 2013, S-400 are supplied to the troops by one set, not disparate systems, as it was before.




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    Post  Viktor on Thu Dec 26, 2013 12:26 pm

    Thats right TheArmenian ... Russian MIC has exploded and is on tracks ... it is producing insane quantities of arms hardware ...  cheers  cheers  cheers 

    Plan to supply sets of S-400 "Triumph" in 2013 made

    When you see it is way ahead of anything entire EU or China can produce (I dont know about the US)

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