Military Forum for Russian and Global Defence Issues


    S-300/400/500 News [Russian Strategic Air Defense] #1

    Stealthflanker
    Stealthflanker

    Posts : 872
    Points : 952
    Join date : 2009-08-04
    Age : 31
    Location : Indonesia

    S-300/400/500 News [Russian Strategic Air Defense] #1 - Page 20 Empty Re: S-300/400/500 News [Russian Strategic Air Defense] #1

    Post  Stealthflanker on Sun Oct 14, 2012 5:00 pm

    GarryB wrote:Which was the thing the person I was disagreeing with on the Key pub forum didn't get.

    Laughing Well too bad that cold launch technique never appear in Hollywood Laughing

    I was also asked the same question by another member in Indonesian Mil forum about that failure.. "why dat missile didn't cook off ?"

    Other than that.. Hmm

    Is MIM-104 Patriot use pure TVM guidance or SAGG similar as the S-300PS ?
    Sujoy
    Sujoy

    Posts : 886
    Points : 1044
    Join date : 2012-04-02
    Location : India

    S-300/400/500 News [Russian Strategic Air Defense] #1 - Page 20 Empty Re: S-300/400/500 News [Russian Strategic Air Defense] #1

    Post  Sujoy on Sun Oct 14, 2012 6:03 pm

    Stealthflanker wrote:Is MIM-104 Patriot use pure TVM guidance or SAGG similar as the S-300PS ?

    For mid-course guidance PAC 3 (MIM 104F) as well as MIM 104D ( PAC 2) uses TVM guidance but for more accurate terminal homing, PAC 3 is equipped with a Ka-Band active radar seeker.
    Viktor
    Viktor

    Posts : 5650
    Points : 6283
    Join date : 2009-08-25
    Age : 38
    Location : Croatia

    S-300/400/500 News [Russian Strategic Air Defense] #1 - Page 20 Empty Re: S-300/400/500 News [Russian Strategic Air Defense] #1

    Post  Viktor on Sun Oct 14, 2012 11:36 pm

    SOC you being famous now respekt

    10/14/12 CENTRAL MILITARY ANALYSIS U.S.: RUSSIAN C-300 COVERED THE SKY OVER KARABAKH AND ABKHAZIA
    October 14 2012.

    IA REGNUM, October 13. Analysis of photographs taken from space shows the permutations that can seriously affect the balance of power in the air defense of the Caucasus, according Contact.az.

    The publication refers to the US-based Center for Military Analysis - IMINT, which published satellite photos of Russian and Armenian air defense systems in the region. According to the expert center Sean O'Connor, images indicate the appearance of new complexes of C-300 in Armenia and Abkhazia: "Both of their bases have considerable potential for the deployment."

    Until 2008, Armenia imported components, at least, three C-300 battery, replacing the old C-125 for the protection of Yerevan. In 2010, Russia placed an extra pair of C-300 in the province of Syunik near Goris c (border region of Armenia and Iran - IA REGNUM ) and the village Kagnut, both batteries are located seven kilometers from the border with Nagorno Karabakh. "Batteries 5N63S use mobile radar and radar to low altitude," - said the source.

    "According to the pictures in 2011, near Goris now housed several batteries. Deployed there C-300 is taken under the protection of defense of Armenia and the region of Nagorno-Karabakh," - said O'Connor. Located there C-300 may also cover airport near Stepanakert, in addition to the existing C-125 battery. In addition, when such a dislocation C-300 closes the existing air gap, allowing Armenia to block flights between Azerbaijan and Nakhichevan province.

    Accommodation Armenian C-300 in the area adjacent to Nagorno-Karabakh, says preparing various scenarios of possible conflict in the region, concluded Sean O'Connor.
    http://www.regnum.ru/
    Viktor
    Viktor

    Posts : 5650
    Points : 6283
    Join date : 2009-08-25
    Age : 38
    Location : Croatia

    S-300/400/500 News [Russian Strategic Air Defense] #1 - Page 20 Empty Re: S-300/400/500 News [Russian Strategic Air Defense] #1

    Post  Viktor on Thu Oct 18, 2012 5:27 pm

    I think no one here notices what our comrade mindstorm is being saying and repeating all over

    So here is good example.

    We all know that attitude ceiling of S-400 missiles are 30km. But native version S-400 shoot down targets flying at 56km attitude

    and that goes with 48N6DM not talking here about 40N6 that has jet to be introduce.

    Targets where shoot flying 2800m/sec.

    Another interesting ting:

    - 9M96 - 135 range
    - 8 launchers per battalion

    Anyway excellent article.

    Knocks down anything that moves


    To combat duty prepare fifth regiment of S-400
    Before the year is on combat duty in the South Military District intercede calculations missile systems S-400.
    In our army it will be the fifth military unit, armed with a "triumph." Two are in place north and east of Moscow, one - in the Kaliningrad region and the Far East. According to plans of the army leadership in the next seven years, the Defense Ministry will purchase more than fifty battalions of S-400 with eight launchers each. Although reliable protection of the capital is the most important function of the Armed Forces General Staff decided that the anti-aircraft arsenal must be updated in the different regions of the country. Therefore, the geography of combat duty "chetyrehsotok" expands to the East and the North-West and South on Russia. As for the protection of the airspace around Moscow, but now the mission entrusted to the shelf-400 near Dmitrov and electric steel.

    How dangerous weapon are military, can be judged by the results of its tests on Ashuluk and Kapustin Yar in the Astrakhan region. The complex, known as the West Growler - "Growler", managed to shoot down a missile target, flying at a speed of 2800 meters per second, and the other to get an object at an altitude of 56 kilometers. Fighting characteristics of "Triumph" is truly impressive. Work simultaneously on 36 targets, flying hundreds of miles from antiaircraft-missile position today is not capable of any other system of air defense. It is no accident to the C-400 are showing increased interest abroad - especially in China.

    In fact, this system can be used for at least seven variants of missiles. Three of them - 48N6E, 48N6E2 and 48N6E3 - suitable for live-fire as a "chetyrehsotke" and an improved system of S-300PM. Ammunition labeled 48N6DM specially elaborated under the "Triumph". The management of these missiles is built on the principle of semi-active radar homing with correction. Industry is preparing to release two more ammunition - 9M96E and 9M96E2. It uses active radar homing.

    In the next seven years, the Defense Ministry will purchase more than 50 battalions of antiaircraft missile system S-400

    Range of these missiles is designed only for 135 kilometers, and the designers of "Triumph" are trying to do better. Earlier this year, it was reported that the S-400 long-range anti-aircraft developed guided missile with the ability to hit targets at a distance of over 250 kilometers. Rather, it is the so-called product 40N6E with active-semi-active homing. Before its creators was an extremely difficult task - to make munition that will destroy air targets even beyond line of sight of ground stations guidance. In other words, the final leg of the flight the rocket should own, without help from the ground, to find, identify and strike air targets. They may not be the only airplane, helicopter, impact or reconnaissance drone.

    In general, "chetyrehsotke" designed so that it is, including, got ballistic targets, hypersonic missiles, and other current and future air attack. That is, acting not only as a "clean" air defense system, but also as an element of a non-strategic missile defense. With the advent of the arsenal of C-400 dalneboynogo munition with a radically new seeker, this problem will be solved. On launcher plan to establish four such missiles.


    Yuri Gavrilov


    http://vpk.name/news/77139_Sbivaet_vse_chto_dvizhetsya.html

    GarryB
    GarryB

    Posts : 21094
    Points : 21642
    Join date : 2010-03-30
    Location : New Zealand

    S-300/400/500 News [Russian Strategic Air Defense] #1 - Page 20 Empty Re: S-300/400/500 News [Russian Strategic Air Defense] #1

    Post  GarryB on Fri Oct 19, 2012 2:30 am

    I think no one here notices what our comrade mindstorm is being saying and repeating all over

    I, for one, always listen to what Mindstorm has to say. Smile

    avatar
    Arrow

    Posts : 395
    Points : 395
    Join date : 2012-02-12

    S-300/400/500 News [Russian Strategic Air Defense] #1 - Page 20 Empty Re: S-300/400/500 News [Russian Strategic Air Defense] #1

    Post  Arrow on Tue Oct 30, 2012 5:38 pm

    What was the fastest ballistic missile tested against S-300V, and S-400 ?
    Viktor
    Viktor

    Posts : 5650
    Points : 6283
    Join date : 2009-08-25
    Age : 38
    Location : Croatia

    S-300/400/500 News [Russian Strategic Air Defense] #1 - Page 20 Empty Re: S-300/400/500 News [Russian Strategic Air Defense] #1

    Post  Viktor on Wed Oct 31, 2012 3:50 am

    Arrow wrote:What was the fastest ballistic missile tested against S-300V, and S-400 ?

    I think the only available date about it is recent 2.8km/sec during S-400 testing.

    So basically we have.

    Airdefense forces (mobile)

    S-300PM - upgrade
    S-400 - new system with new big missile and ASAT/ABM/hypersonic cruise missile capabilities
    S-500 - new system with ASAT/ABM hypersonic cruise missile capabilites

    Army (mobile)

    S-400V4 - upgrade

    Airspace defenses

    A-135 - upgrade fix ABM system
    Samolets-M - new fix ABM system

    All along with horde of with other airdefense systems with lesser range.

    Nice.
    avatar
    Arrow

    Posts : 395
    Points : 395
    Join date : 2012-02-12

    S-300/400/500 News [Russian Strategic Air Defense] #1 - Page 20 Empty Re: S-300/400/500 News [Russian Strategic Air Defense] #1

    Post  Arrow on Wed Oct 31, 2012 12:35 pm

    I think the only available date about it is recent 2.8km/sec during S-400 testing.

    But what kind of target (missile) was use during the S 400 ABM tests?
    GarryB
    GarryB

    Posts : 21094
    Points : 21642
    Join date : 2010-03-30
    Location : New Zealand

    S-300/400/500 News [Russian Strategic Air Defense] #1 - Page 20 Empty Re: S-300/400/500 News [Russian Strategic Air Defense] #1

    Post  GarryB on Wed Oct 31, 2012 9:37 pm

    I rather suspect the claimed performances of current large SAMs have mostly estimated performances in terms of its reaction time and flight speed and profile and the range and performance of the sensors in terms of discrimination and accuracy as well as manouver capability etc.

    For actual tests they have a range of missiles they can launch in depressed trajectories and different flight speeds to be suitable for different tests.

    The 4.8km/s target speed could be simulated by a range of old ballistic missile targets with specific flight profiles for instance.
    Stealthflanker
    Stealthflanker

    Posts : 872
    Points : 952
    Join date : 2009-08-04
    Age : 31
    Location : Indonesia

    S-300/400/500 News [Russian Strategic Air Defense] #1 - Page 20 Empty Re: S-300/400/500 News [Russian Strategic Air Defense] #1

    Post  Stealthflanker on Wed Oct 31, 2012 10:00 pm

    Just make a short "essay" of SAGG,TVM and GAI as my Deviant art journal entry Laughing

    http://stealthflanker.deviantart.com/#/d5jni0r

    My credit to SOC for his valuable info to make it happen Very Happy
    Cyberspec
    Cyberspec

    Posts : 2453
    Points : 2610
    Join date : 2011-08-08
    Location : Terra Australis

    S-300/400/500 News [Russian Strategic Air Defense] #1 - Page 20 Empty Re: S-300/400/500 News [Russian Strategic Air Defense] #1

    Post  Cyberspec on Sun Nov 04, 2012 9:34 am

    I didn't find a suitable topic and I think this is related to the S-400/500...

    Report on the 'Nebo-M' radar (in Russian) which mentions that the state tests were completed in October 2011. The first unit is scheduled to be inducted by the end of the year. 100 units are planned by 2020.



    Has impressive range:

    According to the data of the developer (JSC "FSPC" NIIRT ") the detection range of aerodynamic and ballistic objects by 55ZH6M complex is 1,800 km, height - 1200 km.


    Arrow http://bmpd.livejournal.com/373597.html
    .
    S-300/400/500 News [Russian Strategic Air Defense] #1 - Page 20 IqNEE

    More pics here: Arrow http://saidpvo.livejournal.com/86793.html
    medo
    medo

    Posts : 3531
    Points : 3615
    Join date : 2010-10-24
    Location : Slovenia

    S-300/400/500 News [Russian Strategic Air Defense] #1 - Page 20 Empty Re: S-300/400/500 News [Russian Strategic Air Defense] #1

    Post  medo on Sun Nov 04, 2012 10:22 am

    Nebo-M will for sure serve in VKO and VVS PVO, so it will be connected with S-400/500. I wonder how development of Mars radar for S-500 is going.
    TR1
    TR1

    Posts : 5559
    Points : 5571
    Join date : 2011-12-06

    S-300/400/500 News [Russian Strategic Air Defense] #1 - Page 20 Empty Re: S-300/400/500 News [Russian Strategic Air Defense] #1

    Post  TR1 on Tue Nov 06, 2012 9:24 pm

    http://s47.radikal.ru/i118/1211/09/8465dc79e42f.jpg

    Looks like a new launcher for the S-400, to replace the trailer.
    medo
    medo

    Posts : 3531
    Points : 3615
    Join date : 2010-10-24
    Location : Slovenia

    S-300/400/500 News [Russian Strategic Air Defense] #1 - Page 20 Empty Re: S-300/400/500 News [Russian Strategic Air Defense] #1

    Post  medo on Wed Nov 07, 2012 5:59 pm

    Maybe trailers are fine around Moscow, but for other VKO units more mobile launchers work better.
    GarryB
    GarryB

    Posts : 21094
    Points : 21642
    Join date : 2010-03-30
    Location : New Zealand

    S-300/400/500 News [Russian Strategic Air Defense] #1 - Page 20 Empty Re: S-300/400/500 News [Russian Strategic Air Defense] #1

    Post  GarryB on Wed Nov 07, 2012 10:47 pm

    I rather suspect that different platforms will be used for different roles.

    For defending something that doesn't move like a communications hub, or a major airfield, or Moscow, then a trailer system is much cheaper to buy and to operate. For defending mobile things like a mobile HQ or to provide temporary air cover during an exercise or operation then a more mobile platform makes more sense even though it will cost more than a trailer base.
    TheArmenian
    TheArmenian

    Posts : 1812
    Points : 1963
    Join date : 2011-09-14

    S-300/400/500 News [Russian Strategic Air Defense] #1 - Page 20 Empty Re: S-300/400/500 News [Russian Strategic Air Defense] #1

    Post  TheArmenian on Thu Nov 08, 2012 2:21 pm

    More photos of the mobile S-400 launcher.

    http://sdelanounas.ru/blogs/24814/
    avatar
    Austin

    Posts : 7303
    Points : 7700
    Join date : 2010-05-08
    Location : India

    S-300/400/500 News [Russian Strategic Air Defense] #1 - Page 20 Empty Re: S-300/400/500 News [Russian Strategic Air Defense] #1

    Post  Austin on Sun Nov 11, 2012 9:35 am

    So do we have any updated information on the Big Missile of S-400 series 40N6 or still the information is scarce ?
    avatar
    Austin

    Posts : 7303
    Points : 7700
    Join date : 2010-05-08
    Location : India

    S-300/400/500 News [Russian Strategic Air Defense] #1 - Page 20 Empty Re: S-300/400/500 News [Russian Strategic Air Defense] #1

    Post  Austin on Sun Nov 25, 2012 5:11 am

    I was watching at videos of PAC-3 test and I found the missile to be very fast , check the videos

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DT6DzaG_658


    Can some one tell me which is the fastest missile ,PAC-3 ,S-300PMU1 or S-300PMU2 ?

    BTW here is a video of Indian BMD test , the missile seen is AAD and has a top speed of Mach 4.5

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vAyRhIH-9cE

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wX7NCLTqQ
    GarryB
    GarryB

    Posts : 21094
    Points : 21642
    Join date : 2010-03-30
    Location : New Zealand

    S-300/400/500 News [Russian Strategic Air Defense] #1 - Page 20 Empty Re: S-300/400/500 News [Russian Strategic Air Defense] #1

    Post  GarryB on Sun Nov 25, 2012 7:43 am

    PAC-3 is a smaller lighter missile than Patriot and uses a hit to kill payload... its initial speed will likely be higher because its overall mass is lower... the penalty of course is that it will lose velocity faster too which will result in a shorter range... especially against lower altitude targets.

    Watch a TOPOL launch and see how slow it is... of course its power to weight ratio at launch is fairly low, but its top speed and range will be much much higher than PAC-3.
    avatar
    Mindstorm

    Posts : 838
    Points : 1005
    Join date : 2011-07-20

    S-300/400/500 News [Russian Strategic Air Defense] #1 - Page 20 Empty Re: S-300/400/500 News [Russian Strategic Air Defense] #1

    Post  Mindstorm on Sun Nov 25, 2012 6:23 pm


    I was watching at videos of PAC-3 test and I found the missile to be very fast , check the videos

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DT6DzaG_658


    Austin what you see in this video is ,very likely -and just for its speed-, an ERINT; it is in the same category of 9M96 missile ,also in the speed department (average 900/950 m/s against 900/1000 M/s for the 9M96 ) .
    Try to put it against something in the 48N6 category is obviously an unfair comparison ,the speed of similar missiles is more than double that of theirs lighter counterparts.



    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cwiski_xGaY



    Both PAC-3 and 9M96 were conceived to be efficient also against tactical ballistic missiles while, contemporaneously, reducing mass and volume to achieve the increase to 3-4 times the number of carried missiles for single launcher .

    9M96 in tests ,demonstarted capability to hit directly the warhead of an incoming tactical ballistic missile in 70% of the times ,at any extent an hit-to kill neutralization expanded by warhead detonation (this is an important point because on several secondary sources have wrongly reported that 9M96 had achieved a PK of 70% against tactical ballistic missiles Rolling Eyes ) while in all the remaining instances to pass well within lethal range of its warhead assuring its destruction


    This is the relevant part from an article, "ФАКЕЛ" НА РУБЕЖЕ ВЕКОВ, by V. Svetlov ,Chief designer of "Fakel".


    На фоне впечатляющих достижений, которые получены разработчиками ракет для РАС-3 и "Астер", ракеты "Факела" заметно выделяются своими характеристиками. Крайне незначительно отличаясь друг от друга по размерам и массе (масса 9М96Е и 9М96Е2 соответственно 330 и 420 кг), эти ракеты могут поражать цели на дальностях соответственно от 1 до 40 и 120 км и высотах от 5 м до 20 и 30 км, что превосходит соответствующие показатели у "Астеров" и ракеты для РАС-3. В отличие от своих зарубежных аналогов 9М96Е и 9М96Е2 используют "холодный" вертикальный старт: перед запуском маршевого двигателя они выбрасываются из контейнера на высоту более 30 м. В процессе подъема на эту высоту ракета склоняется в сторону цели с помощью газодинамической системы, что позволяет достичь минимальной границы ближней зоны поражения. После запуска маршевого двигателя на начальном и среднем участках траектории полета используется инерциально-корректируемое наведение, что позволяет добиться максимальной помехозащищенности, а в процессе перехвата цели - самонаведения. Перед точкой встречи с целью ракета способна реализовать режим "сверхманевренности", для чего используется газодинамическая система управления, которая позволяет за 0.025 с увеличить аэродинамическую перегрузку ракеты на двадцать единиц.

    Испытания новых ракет проводятся с использованием самых совершенных программ компьютерного моделирования, в которых используются результаты, получаемые как в ходе наземных, так и летно-стендовых испытаний. Результаты испытаний и исследований показывают, что 9М96Е и 9М96Е2 имеют практически 70-процентную вероятность прямого попадания в боеголовку тактической баллистической ракеты или боевую часть высокоточной ракеты. Во всех остальных случаях промах не превышает нескольких метров. Для того чтобы и в этом случае боевое снаряжение цели было уничтожено, 9М96Е и 9М96Е2 оснащены 24-кг боевой частью с управляемым (за счет применения системы многоточечного инициирования) полем поражения.


    medo
    medo

    Posts : 3531
    Points : 3615
    Join date : 2010-10-24
    Location : Slovenia

    S-300/400/500 News [Russian Strategic Air Defense] #1 - Page 20 Empty Re: S-300/400/500 News [Russian Strategic Air Defense] #1

    Post  medo on Sun Nov 25, 2012 7:40 pm

    Any informations, how Vityaz project is going? It's all quiet.
    TR1
    TR1

    Posts : 5559
    Points : 5571
    Join date : 2011-12-06

    S-300/400/500 News [Russian Strategic Air Defense] #1 - Page 20 Empty Re: S-300/400/500 News [Russian Strategic Air Defense] #1

    Post  TR1 on Sun Nov 25, 2012 9:20 pm

    Nice info about 9m96 Mindstorm, thanks.

    So much for Russia not having hit-to-kill capability.
    avatar
    Mindstorm

    Posts : 838
    Points : 1005
    Join date : 2011-07-20

    S-300/400/500 News [Russian Strategic Air Defense] #1 - Page 20 Empty Re: S-300/400/500 News [Russian Strategic Air Defense] #1

    Post  Mindstorm on Sun Nov 25, 2012 11:53 pm


    Nice info about 9m96 Mindstorm, thanks.


    Actually 9M96...E


    So much for Russia not having hit-to-kill capability.

    Yes, several secondary sources -in particular controled ones...- try in an almost systematic way to distort original statements (usually avoiding to cite directly the source to avoid the deception to be easily unveiled) to sell a vastly "downgraded" version of the achievement ; in this way inferior competitor systems can appear in a better light Rolling Eyes

    9M96 missiles have shown in all tests a Pk against tactical ballistic missiles equal to 1 !!! , of which0,7 achieved through direct hit on the balistic missile's warhead
    The fundamental difference is that US competing interceptors to attempt to match the astounding kinematic performances of 9M96 has been forced at reduce at maximum theirs inertial mass renouncing completely to a detonating warhead ,the related accessory elements and some actuators .
    Naturally the effect is that anytime the interceptor come even only at 20 -30 cm from ballistic missile's silhouette , the offensive element remain totally undamaged.

    This has been evident in the last tests of U.S. Missile Defense Agency of the last 24 October, involving PAC-3 and SM3-Block IA against two cruise missiles and three short range ballsitic missiles, when SM3-Block IA has intercepted in the test only 2 on 3 (66%) of the short range ballistic missiles shot.


    http://www.aviationweek.com/Article.aspx?id=/article-xml/AW_11_05_2012_p37-512323.xml

    What is even more surprising than this scarce result is know that this one was the first time that U.S. Missile Defense Agency had conducted a similar multitarget interception test !!!!

    “We worked many years to get to this point,” says Dennis Cavin, vice president of U.S. Army and missile defense programs for Lockheed Martin. “For the first time in a live-fire event, multiple weapon systems engaged a raid of multiple targets simultaneously,”




    Laughing Laughing No surprise that LM expend a so high amonunt of financial resources to put under its payroll a so high number of media operators.

    TR1
    TR1

    Posts : 5559
    Points : 5571
    Join date : 2011-12-06

    S-300/400/500 News [Russian Strategic Air Defense] #1 - Page 20 Empty Re: S-300/400/500 News [Russian Strategic Air Defense] #1

    Post  TR1 on Mon Nov 26, 2012 12:19 am

    One nitpick:

    "Испытания новых ракет проводятся с использованием самых совершенных программ компьютерного моделирования, в которых используются результаты, получаемые как в ходе наземных, так и летно-стендовых испытаний"

    The results used for the computer modeling, are actual 9m69E launches? How many are we talking here?

    Just curious weather the 70% hit to kill ratio was modeled mostly by simulation, or is a ratio derived from repeated tests.
    avatar
    Mindstorm

    Posts : 838
    Points : 1005
    Join date : 2011-07-20

    S-300/400/500 News [Russian Strategic Air Defense] #1 - Page 20 Empty Re: S-300/400/500 News [Russian Strategic Air Defense] #1

    Post  Mindstorm on Mon Nov 26, 2012 1:39 am

    The results used for the computer modeling, are actual 9m69E launches? How many are we talking here?

    Just curious weather the 70% hit to kill ratio was modeled mostly by simulation, or is a ratio derived from repeated tests.


    Experimental live engagements tests ,conducted at Karpusin Yar against different ballistic target in different conditions ,compose data basis.

    Computer models, using those validated data ,allow the reproduction of even the most complex, rare or odd situation (where actual live tests would become problematic for financial or temporal questions).

    In both experimental tests and simulations the results was virtually identical.



    Sponsored content

    S-300/400/500 News [Russian Strategic Air Defense] #1 - Page 20 Empty Re: S-300/400/500 News [Russian Strategic Air Defense] #1

    Post  Sponsored content


      Current date/time is Thu Jul 18, 2019 11:54 am