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    Re: The Situation in the Ukraine. #14

    Post  auslander on Tue May 19, 2015 5:53 pm

    Rodinazombie wrote:
    Neutrality wrote:http://sputniknews.com/politics/20150519/1022323549.html

    This is going to cause a hysteria amongst creditors. Now I really want to see if IMF and other money lenders are eager  to give them more money.
    Is this a sign that ukraine is about to default?
    Or a retarded way to try and encourage its western masters to send more monies?

    Yes.

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    Re: The Situation in the Ukraine. #14

    Post  PapaDragon on Tue May 19, 2015 6:02 pm

    Neutrality wrote:http://sputniknews.com/politics/20150519/1022323549.html

    This is going to cause a hysteria amongst creditors. Now I really want to see if IMF and other money lenders are eager  to give them more money.

    Does this mean that we all can suspend payment of loans and credits to the banks? I mean why is the Ukraine better than average Joe/Ivan/Jose/Jean/Yurgen? Cool

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    Re: The Situation in the Ukraine. #14

    Post  Flagship Victory on Tue May 19, 2015 6:24 pm

    Neutrality wrote:http://sputniknews.com/politics/20150519/1022323549.html

    This is going to cause a hysteria amongst creditors. Now I really want to see if IMF and other money lenders are eager  to give them more money.

    IMF is what keeps putch doing genocide in Donbas. IMF is not limited. IMF is unlimited. IMF sets how much money a country's GDP can be. IMF can type 1 quintillion US dollars on its keyboard and press the send key to any person, to any government, to any non state actor.

    I said before, I say again. Modern economy has been corrupted by IMF. Modern economy is nothing but a digital number in a computer. Putsch will not collapse economically. Do not have any fantasy of that. The only way to beat putsch and end the ethnic cleansing is NAF fighting to Kiev and restoring democracy in Ukraine. There is no other way.

    flamming_python wrote:As wounded men; they are counted as casualties and will be out of action - hopefully for the duration of the conflict. It may seem a harsh thing to say - but at least they're not dead.

    Putsch has a high dead to wounded ratio, much higher than the US army does, about 3 wounded to 1 dead. 0 killed in action means none of the 10 died on the spot. I'm willing to wager at least 3 of the wounded later died in the hospital. Those who die in the hospital are not killed in action, which means killed on the spot instantly.

    You see putsch's dead to wounded ratio?

    http://www.kyivpost.com/content/kyiv-post-plus/at-least-2112-soldiers-killed-in-russias-war-against-ukraine-388600.html

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    Re: The Situation in the Ukraine. #14

    Post  Neutrality on Tue May 19, 2015 6:51 pm

    Rodinazombie wrote:

    Is this a sign that ukraine is about to default?

    Or a retarded way to try and encourage its western masters to send more monies?


    PapaDragon wrote:Does this mean that we all can suspend payment of loans and credits to the banks? I mean why is the Ukraine better than average Joe/Ivan/Jose/Jean/Yurgen?

    Although this is an incredibly aggressive, arrogant and dumb move for the obvious reasons. This move is dangerous because it will create a precedent if the IMF doesn't come down hard on the Ukrainian law makers. IMF is also Greece's creditor so maybe the Greeks will start pushing pseudo laws like that too.

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    Re: The Situation in the Ukraine. #14

    Post  Neutrality on Tue May 19, 2015 7:04 pm

    sepheronx if you're reading, you'll like this one: http://lenta.ru/news/2015/05/19/duma/

    This should deal with the fuckers who are trying to destabilize the country like the "peaceloving" NGOs.

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    Re: The Situation in the Ukraine. #14

    Post  Flagship Victory on Tue May 19, 2015 7:17 pm

    flamming_python wrote:The fact is that there is a war going on, don't be ignorant of that fact.

    No, this is not a war. This is about putsch doing ethnic cleaning of people who do not agree with their Russian hating views. This is about the people of Donbas defending themselves from blatant genocide.

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    Re: The Situation in the Ukraine. #14

    Post  PapaDragon on Tue May 19, 2015 8:01 pm

    Last paragraph is a real gem. lol1

    It Begins: Ukraine Takes First Real Steps To Default

    Maybe this is why the US and EU seem to be dumping the Ukraine.

    http://russia-insider.com/en/business/ukraine-prepares-default/ri7117


    The Ukrainian government is on the brink of declaring default.

    The Ukrainian government has proposed a bill allowing the government to impose a “moratorium” on payment of the country’s external debts.

    Such a moratorium is just another word for a default.  

    It is the same device the Russian government used when it defaulted on its external debt in 1998.

    This is not quite the end of Ukraine’s debt saga. Ukraine will only be formally in default when it misses a payment.

    It is possible Ukraine has taken this step as a negotiating tactic to put more pressure on its Western creditors.

    It is also possible Ukraine is hoping to preserve some financial credibility by picking and choosing which creditors it will pay.  

    As we have discussed previously, it might try to go on paying its Western creditors while defaulting on the debts it owes to Russia.

    Frankly, this all looks unlikely and it seems that what we are looking at is an across-the-board default.

    In truth, as has been pointed out by several people — notably by Eric Kraus — the numbers of the various IMF plans have never added up, and a default looked increasingly inevitable from the moment the Maidan coup happened, when it became clear the Ukrainian government was heading into a confrontation with its economically critically important eastern regions and with its biggest trade partner Russia.

    The accelerating collapse of Ukraine’s economy (with GDP contracting by 17% in the first quarter by comparison with last year) and the deadlock in the negotiations with the Western creditors, appears to have made today’s default announcement unavoidable.

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    The following Statement has just appeared on  the Ukrainian government’s website:

     
    Statement regarding a draft Law on granting to the Government of Ukraine a right to impose a moratorium on repayment of external debts

       19.05.2015 | 16:10

       Today the Government of Ukraine submits to the Verkhovna Rada of Ukraine a draft Law, which should grant to the Cabinet of Ministers of Ukraine the right, if necessary, to terminate payments to the holders of international debt obligations.

       Ukraine faces serious economic challenges and an issue of payment of the international debt is an issue of justice.

       The Ukrainian people are making extraordinary efforts to achieve the European future

        – and pay an extremely high price for it. Excessive debt burden of Ukraine “was entailed” by the previous regime of Viktor Yanukovych. Under his rule, the debt of Ukraine had increased by 40 billion dollars. The society never received the aforesaid funds. These were completely wasted and lost for the country.

       At this, due payments on foreign currency debt obligations alone throughout the next 4 years amount about 30 billion U.S. dollars. This includes both service and the repayment of debt. And issues of justice in relation to the Ukrainian population is to reduce such extraordinary debt burden. Given that today the state budget for 2015 contains equal sum for servicing the debt with that of total expenditure on defence and law enforcement – over 9 billion hryvnias each. It’s approximately 5% of GDP each. The Government has the right to direct the funds paid by taxpayers in Ukraine for the needs of its citizens instead of refunding loans having borrowed by the kleptocratic Yanukovych’s regime.

       Our bilateral and multilateral partners meet our demands and engage in support of Ukraine’s people. The international community, including the U.S., the European Union and international financial institutions, stand with Ukraine in this difficult time. We have agreed with our international partners regarding:

           USD 17.5 billion to be granted to Ukraine by the IMF (in the case our country implements real reforms for our society);
           USD $ 7.2 billion expected by us in the shape of funding from our bilateral partners and international financial organizations.

       But it is important that the owners of our debt obligations could also contribute to these efforts. In 2015 alone, having received assistance worth USD 3.1 billion, we have paid back USD 2.4 billion.

       Therefore, USD 15.3 billion is the sum to reduce the burden on the balance of payments over the next 4 years, we expect on the outcomes of the negotiations with our international creditors through debt restructuring. Without the vigorous participation of commercial creditors, Ukraine won’t be able to stabilize the situation and resume an economic growth in 2016.

       To protect the interests of Ukrainian people, the Government of Ukraine submits to the Verkhovna Rada today the draft laws, those enabling the Government to suspend payments on certain external public debts and guaranteed by the government debts, as specified in the Annex to the relevant Regulation of the Cabinet of Ministers. And in case of an attack from unscrupulous creditors to Ukraine, the moratorium will protect the assets of the state and of the public sector.

       Any moratorium declared under the new law in the future will not affect our bilateral and multilateral debt obligations, neither it will affect our domestic obligations. The effect of the law is aimed at those external sovereign direct and guaranteed obligations specified in the perimeter (except for the two state-owned banks and Ukrzaliznytsia).

       It should be noted that granting such a right to the Government of Ukraine will affect neither the stability of the banking system of the country nor the exchange rate of the Ukrainian hryvnia. But by adopting this law we appeal to our foreign lenders with a request to support Ukraine and share the heavy burden with us.

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    Re: The Situation in the Ukraine. #14

    Post  Flagship Victory on Tue May 19, 2015 8:27 pm

    Putsch reports 4 Maidan soldiers KIA and 2 more WIA today so far  cheers

    http://www.kyivpost.com/content/ukraine/four-ukrainian-soldiers-killed-two-injured-in-fighting-near-katerynivka-moskal-388975.html

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    Re: The Situation in the Ukraine. #14

    Post  Neutrality on Tue May 19, 2015 8:30 pm

    Flagship Victory wrote:Putsch reports 4 Maidan soldiers KIA and 2 more WIA today so far  cheers

    http://www.kyivpost.com/content/ukraine/four-ukrainian-soldiers-killed-two-injured-in-fighting-near-katerynivka-moskal-388975.html

    They never learn do they.

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    Re: The Situation in the Ukraine. #14

    Post  Flagship Victory on Tue May 19, 2015 8:31 pm

    Putin says Donbas must be part of Ukraine.  Shocked  When will Putin come to his senses and understand, no, this will not happen, not even in 2018 when Putin is voted out of the Kremlin by the Russian people and replaced by the much more capable Mironov. To be frank, I've had enough of Putin's BS since April 2014. The people of Donbas will NOT listen to Putin. They will continue to kill and cripple putsch soldiers as long as putch carries out ethnic cleansing of Donbas.  cheers

    http://www.kyivpost.com/content/ukraine/lavrov-says-donbas-must-be-part-of-renewed-ukraine-388977.html

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    Post  whir on Tue May 19, 2015 8:39 pm

    112.ua via Google Translate wrote:В Луганской области, кроме Катериновки, наблюдается затишье, - Галас
    In Lugansk region except Katerinovka, there is a lull - Galas
    20:03, 19 May 2015

    In all other flashpoints of fighting there

    In Lugansk region, except for the area Katerinovka, today there is a lull. This was the TV channel "112 Ukraine" said the director of the Information Department of the Luhansk regional military-civilian administration Yaroslav Galas.

    "We have other hot spots is not like that. In the morning we phoned, and if you compare to previous days, we have been relatively quiet. Happiness, village Lugansk, Crimea - in fact, at all times. In other points there is no evidence that they go some fighting action ", - he said.

    Earlier, Galas said that in today's battle for Katerinovka killed four Ukrainian soldiers , two others were injured. The clash, according to him, is still ongoing. Continue reading.

    Reuters wrote:Learning from Uncle Sam: to Russia's annoyance, U.S. hones Ukrainian fighting skills
    World | Tue May 19, 2015 9:19am EDT YAVORIV, UKRAINE | BY ADRIAN CROFT

    Tense Ukrainian soldiers with assault rifles creep stealthily around mock houses before bursting in to clear out gunmen, while others practice setting ambushes or infantry assaults, all under the watchful eyes of U.S. Army trainers.

    Dotted around the vast, wooded Yavoriv military training area in western Ukraine, soldiers of the U.S. 173rd Airborne Brigade are instructing Ukrainian national guardsmen in techniques designed to help them in the simmering war against pro-Russian separatists hundreds of miles to the east.

    Although Western countries have held back from military involvement in the conflict, the small-scale U.S. training effort, together with similar schemes set up by Britain, Canada and Poland, sends a signal to Russia that the West stands behind the Ukrainian government.

    Kremlin spokesman Dmitry Peskov has said the U.S. training could destabilize eastern Ukraine. Continue reading.

    Aljazeera America wrote:‘If not us, then who?’ In Ukraine, volunteers collect soldiers' bodies
    May 19, 2015 5:00AM ET by Sabra Ayres

    The Black Tulips, a group of about 30 civilians, have recovered more than 300 bodies from battlefields in the east

    This is part one of a two-part series on the Black Tulips, a volunteer group which collects the remains of Ukrainian soldiers and returns them to their families.

    VELYKA NOVOSILKA, Ukraine — About once a week, Leonid Sholkovsky has a reccurring dream about the battlefields from which he collects the remains of fallen Ukrainian soldiers.

    In the dream, a young fighter is walking toward Sholkovsky, stepping over the twisted scraps of military vehicles and dead soldiers strewn across the blackened fields of eastern Ukraine. The solider has a helmet on, and there is a blue and yellow patch on the shoulder of his camouflage jacket, so Sholkovsky knows the soldier could be one of the dozens of Ukrainian men he has sent home in a body bag over the last six months.

    What Sholkovsky doesn’t understand is why the young solider is shaking his finger at him.

    “He’s either trying to warn me of something, or telling me not to finish what I’m doing,” Sholkovsky said. “Every time I go into a church now, I light a candle for that soldier, whoever he is.”

    Few would envy Sholkovsky’s work, not least because of the nightmares that come with it. Continue reading.

    RIANOVOSTI via Google Translate wrote:Посольство России в Киеве требует встречи с задержанными в Донбассе
    The Russian Embassy in Kiev requires meetings with detainees in the Donbas
    19:07 19/05/2015 (Updated: 19:17 19/05/2015 )

    Kiev has previously said that on May 16 during the clashes held in the Donbas two alleged Russian military. Russian Ministry of Defense, as is known, has already indicated that these citizens are not current members of the Russian armed forces.

    MOSCOW, May 19 - RIA Novosti. The Russian Embassy in Kiev requires a meeting of consular staff of detainees in the Luhansk region Russians to appropriate health care, they said on Tuesday the Russian Foreign Ministry.

    "The Russian embassy in Kiev has demanded a meeting with consular officials retained the citizens of the Russian Federation with a view to providing them with the necessary assistance in accordance with international law," - said in comments published on the website Foreign Ministry.

    The Ministry of Defence of the Russian Federation, as it is known, has already indicated that these citizens are not current members of the Russian armed forces. Continue reading.

    BBC Ukraine via Google Translate wrote:У Мінську тривають переговори про Донбас
    In Minsk, negotiations of Donbass
    Tatiana Melnichuk, Minsk

    In Minsk under the auspices of the OSCE closed to the press mode is session working groups to resolve the situation in the east of Ukraine.

    Working groups set up by the results of the Minsk agreements reached between the leaders of Germany, France, Ukraine and Russia in February this year.
    In the subgroup of security met on Tuesday in Minsk, the Ukrainian side is the first head of the SBU Yevhen Marchuk, who had also served as Prime Minister and Minister of Defense of Ukraine.
    From Russia working group includes representatives of the General Staff of the Armed Forces Jaroslav Moskal. Supervises the work of the subgroup of special security head of the OSCE in Ukraine Ertugrul Apakan.
    In the working group on humanitarian issues represents Ukraine Verkhovna Rada deputy, former president of Ukrainian news agency UNIAN Irina Gerashchenko. Russia - Deputy Minister of Civil Defense, Vladimir Stepanov. Coordinates humanitarian affairs OSCE Special Representative Heidi Tagliavini. Continue reading.

    Radio24 via Google Translate wrote:Wizz Air поки не відновлюватиме рейси в Україну
    Wizs Air is not yet restore flights to Ukraine
    17:13, 19 May 2015

    The Hungarian company reported that operate flights to and from Ukraine on the basis of current demand.

    This is standard practice in all of the markets where it is present.

    Meanwhile, Wizz Air Group added that still do not reject the possibility of resumption of work in the future with a base in Kiev - writes Interfax.

    Note that the current Hungarian company Wizz Air has only 8 runs from Ukraine. The rest of April 20 has been canceled. Representation "Wizz Air Ukraine" ceased activities. Continue reading.

    Hromadske TV via Google Translate wrote:У Тернополі за хабар у 217 тисяч затримали заступника міського голови
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    Tuesday, May 19, 2015

    Employees of the Prosecutor General of Ukraine and the Ministry of Internal Affairs arrested for corruption Deputy Mayor of Ternopil.

    As reported by the GPU, the official demanded bribes to systematically address the issues of leasing the land in Ternopil.

    In particular, during the search he was found and seized 135 thousand. Hryvnia, which the official received from a citizen for leasing the land. In general, according to the GPU, he demanded and received illegal profits totaling 217 thousand. UAH. Continue reading.

    Reuters wrote:NATO's Stoltenberg tells Russia's Lavrov to pull out of Ukraine
    Tuesday, May 19, 2015, 15:27

    NATO Secretary-General Jens Stoltenberg said on Tuesday he had told Russian Foreign Minister Sergei Lavrov that Russia must withdraw all troops and heavy weapons from Ukraine and end its support for separatists.

    The western military alliance's chief added that he had informed Lavrov, after a meeting in Brussels, that he was concerned about the large number of military exercises carried out by Russia at short notice.

    "We also discussed the need for transparency, especially when we have an increased military presence along our borders... for NATO it is important to do whatever we can to avoid that incidents are spiralling out of control," he told reporters. Continue reading.

    Vchasno via Google Translate wrote:В военно-полевом госпитале в Красноармейске застрелился военнослужащий
    In the military field hospital in Krasnoarmeysk shot soldier
    05.18.2015, 13:55, Media Center "Vchasno UA»

    This morning, May 18, in Krasnoarmeysky Gorotdel reported that in the military field hospital soldier shot himself. At the scene, left the police task force.

    The information that a soldier took his own life, has informed the leadership of the hospital.

    "The shot is made from weapons assigned to these soldiers. The reasons for suicide are still unknown, - commented Head Krasnoarmeysky GO Vitaly Bodnaruk. - Right now our priority investigators conducted investigations to establish the circumstances of the incident. "

    From unofficial information journalists media center "Vchasno UA» became known that the reason for such an act could become a problem in a military family.

    For information on the case made in the pre ERDR legal qualification under Art. 115 of the Criminal Code (suicide). Continue reading.

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    Re: The Situation in the Ukraine. #14

    Post  Khepesh on Tue May 19, 2015 9:29 pm

    It is thought that ukrops have mined and planted boobytraps on about 30% of arable land on the territory of Donbass that they control, and also in the forests. Years after this war is over, people, and likely mostly kids, will be killed and maimed by these things. Banderas like jumping, so I suggest that those captured can enjoy jumping in fields and forests of Donbass....




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    Re: The Situation in the Ukraine. #14

    Post  Erk on Tue May 19, 2015 10:34 pm

    Flagship Victory wrote:Putin says Donbas must be part of Ukraine.  Shocked  When will Putin come to his senses and understand, no, this will not happen, not even in 2018 when Putin is voted out of the Kremlin by the Russian people and replaced by the much more capable Mironov. To be frank, I've had enough of Putin's BS since April 2014. The people of Donbas will NOT listen to Putin. They will continue to kill and cripple putsch soldiers as long as putch carries out ethnic cleansing of Donbas.  cheers

    http://www.kyivpost.com/content/ukraine/lavrov-says-donbas-must-be-part-of-renewed-ukraine-388977.html

    Putin has said this all along since Donetsk and Luhansk said they were going to have independence referendums in May last year. Putin asked them to postpone it, obviously he thinks that independence from Ukraine is not a good idea and some sort of federalization is preferable.


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    Re: The Situation in the Ukraine. #14

    Post  sepheronx on Tue May 19, 2015 11:09 pm

    I hope lavrov told nato head to go f himself. Say "get your children out of Ukraine, get your soldiers off of our borders and we may listen. Till then, go to hell."

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    Re: The Situation in the Ukraine. #14

    Post  kvs on Tue May 19, 2015 11:16 pm

    Neutrality wrote:sepheronx if you're reading, you'll like this one: http://lenta.ru/news/2015/05/19/duma/

    This should deal with the fuckers who are trying to destabilize the country like the "peaceloving" NGOs.

    Good to see the Duma not sitting on its a**. This law should have been passed years ago. No western funded
    NGO is acting in the interests of Russia. All of them should be booted out of the country. Russian citizens should create
    and fund their own NGOs.


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    Re: The Situation in the Ukraine. #14

    Post  Neutrality on Tue May 19, 2015 11:23 pm

    kvs wrote:
    Neutrality wrote:sepheronx if you're reading, you'll like this one: http://lenta.ru/news/2015/05/19/duma/

    This should deal with the fuckers who are trying to destabilize the country like the "peaceloving" NGOs.

    Good to see the Duma not sitting on its a**.   This law should have been passed years ago.   No western funded
    NGO is acting in the interests of Russia.   All of them should be booted out of the country.   Russian citizens should create
    and fund their own NGOs.


    One of our national newspapers already caught on. Saying how Russia could place any organisation that they deem as hostile, on a black list. Ofcourse they don't mention that it might happen when NGOs get financed from abroad. Nah, not such an important detail Rolling Eyes

    Amnesty International and Human Rights Watch already criticized this law. Well boo fucking hoo jackasses. How about the people getting persecuted in Ukraine for expressing their opinions? I can't believe I did volunteer work for Amnesty International. That's what happens when you're young and naive I guess. All these organizations in the pocket of the West. Despicable if you ask me.

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    Post  whir on Tue May 19, 2015 11:27 pm

    Bloomber View wrote:Kerry Helped Free U.S. 'Spies' Trapped in Ukraine
    MAY 19, 2015 5:30 AM EDT By Josh Rogin & Eli Lake

    When Secretary of State John Kerry earlier this month was planning the first high-level talks between Washington and Moscow in years, he faced a problem: Two American aid workers were secretly being held by Ukrainian separatists.

    On April 29, the self-proclaimed government of the Donetsk People’s Republic announced it had expelled seven Western aid workers accused of spying. But that was a lie. Only the five European aid workers detained were let go, while two Americans -- a doctor and a humanitarian worker with the International Rescue Committee -- were kept for nine more days. During that period, a network of aid groups and international organizations worked quietly behind the scenes to secure their release. They were finally freed on May 8.

    What’s never been reported is that during those tense days, Kerry personally intervened and raised the issue over the phone with Russian Foreign Minister Sergei Lavrov, asking him to use Moscow’s influence over the Donetsk separatists to secure the release of the two Americans, a senior administration official told us. Several diplomatic sources told us that Lavrov came through, making it clear to the Donetsk leadership that holding the Americans longer was not a good idea.

    The prime minister of the Donetsk People’s Republic, Aleksandr Zakharchenko, told the Russian media that he had decided to release the Americans before “Victory in Europe Day,” the Russian holiday that commemorates the Nazi surrender in 1945. “We freed two in the run-up to the May 9 holiday, one of whom was an employee of the CIA, the second was recruited by the CIA." he said. "They were here in order to carry out intelligence gathering activities.” Continue reading.

    Apostrophe via Google Translate wrote:Митингующие на Осокорках перекрыли проспект Бажана: опубликовано фото
    Protesters blocked the Osokorki Bazhana Avenue: published photos
    Tuesday, May 19, 2015, 22:24



    The police detained three protesters against the construction of the shopping center Le Boulevard near the metro station "Osokorki." After that, the protesters blocked traffic on the avenue Bazhana and demanded the release of detainees. It is reported by the press service of GU MVD in Kiev.

    "For illegal acts around the construction site, police officers were taken to the district police department Darnytsa three people. They provide their explanations regarding the events," says the report.

    "The protesters blocked traffic on the avenue Bazhana in both directions. The activists demand that the law enforcement officers released the detainees for unlawful acts around the construction site. The police carry out explanatory work with the participants of activities in order to unlock the roadway and restore law and order," Interior Ministry stressed. Continue reading.

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    Re: The Situation in the Ukraine. #14

    Post  sepheronx on Tue May 19, 2015 11:34 pm

    Neutrality wrote:
    kvs wrote:
    Neutrality wrote:sepheronx if you're reading, you'll like this one: http://lenta.ru/news/2015/05/19/duma/

    This should deal with the fuckers who are trying to destabilize the country like the "peaceloving" NGOs.

    Good to see the Duma not sitting on its a**.   This law should have been passed years ago.   No western funded
    NGO is acting in the interests of Russia.   All of them should be booted out of the country.   Russian citizens should create
    and fund their own NGOs.


    One of our national newspapers already caught on. Saying how Russia could place any organisation that they deem as hostile, on a black list. Ofcourse they don't mention that it might happen when NGOs get financed from abroad. Nah, not such an important detail Rolling Eyes

    Amnesty International and Human Rights Watch already criticized this law. Well boo fucking hoo jackasses. How about the people getting persecuted in Ukraine for expressing their opinions? I can't believe I did volunteer work for Amnesty International. That's what happens when you're young and naive I guess. All these organizations in the pocket of the West. Despicable if you ask me.

    Human rights watch is part of George Soros. So of course he will be mad!

    This is good news! Amnesty international can go pork a pig. Because like you said, they are awfully silent about Ukraine. Goes to show how independent they really are.

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    Re: The Situation in the Ukraine. #14

    Post  Flagship Victory on Tue May 19, 2015 11:41 pm

    sepheronx wrote:I hope lavrov told nato head to go f himself. Say "get your children out of Ukraine, get your soldiers off of our borders and we may listen. Till then, go to hell."

    You know what? The world doesn't revolved around Putin. The people of Donbas will not listen to Putin. Why should they? What has Putin ever done for them? Shocked

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    Re: The Situation in the Ukraine. #14

    Post  Erk on Tue May 19, 2015 11:54 pm

    Flagship Victory wrote:
    sepheronx wrote:I hope lavrov told nato head to go f himself. Say "get your children out of Ukraine, get your soldiers off of our borders and we may listen. Till then, go to hell."

    You know what? The world doesn't revolved around Putin. The people of Donbas will not listen to Putin. Why should they? What has Putin ever done for them? Shocked

    That's right, the people of Donbass should listen to you and reject the humanitarian aid convoys Putin has been sending for the past year and just die of starvation.
    Do you think sending aid is cheap? Try to do it sometime. I think your anti-Putin trolling is going on a bit too long.

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    Re: The Situation in the Ukraine. #14

    Post  Flagship Victory on Wed May 20, 2015 12:42 am

    Erk wrote:
    Flagship Victory wrote:
    sepheronx wrote:I hope lavrov told nato head to go f himself. Say "get your children out of Ukraine, get your soldiers off of our borders and we may listen. Till then, go to hell."

    You know what? The world doesn't revolved around Putin. The people of Donbas will not listen to Putin. Why should they? What has Putin ever done for them? Shocked

    That's right, the people of Donbass should listen to you and reject the humanitarian aid convoys Putin has been sending for the past year and just die of starvation.
    Do you think sending aid is cheap? Try to do it sometime. I think your anti-Putin trolling is going on a bit too long.

    Humanitarian aid? Give me a break. Putin could have stopped Maidan dead in its tracks by sending OMON reinforcements. Clearly Ukrainian police was unable to handle Right Sector thugs who shot and killed police officers. Putin could have drafted a UNSC resolution to send in UN peacekeepers and stopped putsch's ethnic cleaning in April 2014. Putin did neither. Had it not been for Strelkov taking matters into his own hands and risking his own life in Crimea in February 2014, Putin would have done nothing to stop American warships entering Sevastopol and taking over Crimea. As for humanitarian aid, no thanks to Putin. Donbas has plenty of humanitarian aid from the Russian public, and not just humanitarian aid but also non lethal military aid like body armor and communication systems which Putin would never give to NAF.

    What has France done for Libyan rebels? UNSC resolution. Military support. What has Putin done for the ethnic Russian people of Donbas next door? Not even a word of support. Mironov has visited Donbas and met with DPR leaders. Putin has not. The people of Donbas have respect for Mironov, not for Putin.

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    Re: The Situation in the Ukraine. #14

    Post  mack8 on Wed May 20, 2015 12:59 am

    Hey there Flagship Victory, i understand that you don't like Putin, you have made it clear more than once, but you keep repeating the same mantra ad nauseaum and you are continually posting the same thing, it's wearing a bit thin now, not to mention you have thrown accusations of trolling against another member that appear unfounded. Fine, you don't like Putin, you don't like the current russian government policy (there are things i do not agree as well, whether rightly or wrongly remains to be seen though), you made it clear, now let's move on, there are a lot of important events, news and posts from other members about the situation in Ukraine that risk being flooded by your posts about Putin. If you are well intended, acting accordingly would be appreciated. If not then i and perhaps others will consider the next step. No disrespect.

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    Re: The Situation in the Ukraine. #14

    Post  Flagship Victory on Wed May 20, 2015 1:14 am

    mack8 wrote:Hey there Flagship Victory, i  understand that you don't like Putin, you have made it clear more than once, but you keep repeating the same mantra ad nauseaum and you are continually posting the same thing, it's wearing a bit thin now, not to mention you have thrown accusations of trolling against another member that appear unfounded. Fine, you don't like Putin, you don't like the current russian government policy (there are things i do not agree as well, whether rightly or wrongly remains to be seen though), you made it clear, now let's move on, there are a lot of important events, news and posts from other members about the situation in Ukraine that risk being flooded  by your posts about Putin. If you are well intended, acting accordingly would be appreciated. If not then i and perhaps others will consider the next step. No disrespect.

    I got nothing against Putin. He is what is he, president of Russia, elected by fair election, unlike that Poro guy who took power from Maidan coup. To me at least, Putin is an extremely stubborn guy, asking for Donbas to be part of Ukraine when the reality is that is not in the least bit possible. Putin could have drafted a UN resolution on Crimea in March 2014 before the US took the initiative to do so. Quite possibly, Putin is the most timid, the most stubborn man in the whole wide world. Shocked He has so many tools at his disposal. He never uses any of those tools to the benefit of Russia. Word of advice, elect Mironov in 2018. This guy is good, REAL good. thumbsup

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    Re: The Situation in the Ukraine. #14

    Post  2SPOOKY4U on Wed May 20, 2015 1:23 am

    Flagship Victory wrote:
    mack8 wrote:Hey there Flagship Victory, i  understand that you don't like Putin, you have made it clear more than once, but you keep repeating the same mantra ad nauseaum and you are continually posting the same thing, it's wearing a bit thin now, not to mention you have thrown accusations of trolling against another member that appear unfounded. Fine, you don't like Putin, you don't like the current russian government policy (there are things i do not agree as well, whether rightly or wrongly remains to be seen though), you made it clear, now let's move on, there are a lot of important events, news and posts from other members about the situation in Ukraine that risk being flooded  by your posts about Putin. If you are well intended, acting accordingly would be appreciated. If not then i and perhaps others will consider the next step. No disrespect.

    I got nothing against Putin. He is what is he, president of Russia, elected by fair election, unlike that Poro guy who took power from Maidan coup. To me at least, Putin is an extremely stubborn guy, asking for Donbas to be part of Ukraine when the reality is that is not in the least bit possible. Putin could have drafted a UN resolution on Crimea in March 2014 before the US took the initiative to do so. Quite possibly, Putin is the most timid, the most stubborn man in the whole wide world. Shocked He has so many tools at his disposal. He never uses any of those tools to the benefit of Russia. Word of advice, elect Mironov in 2018. This guy is good, REAL good. thumbsup

    Ukrainians killing Ukrainians, it is Putin's fault.

    Never change RMF.

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    Re: The Situation in the Ukraine. #14

    Post  Flagship Victory on Wed May 20, 2015 1:42 am

    2SPOOKY4U wrote:Ukrainians killing Ukrainians, it is Putin's fault.

    Never change RMF.

    It's not about Ukrainians killing Ukrainians. It's about Banderists killing ethnic Russians. If ethnic Chinese in Singapore or Malaysia get targeted by the governments of those states, you can bet your horse the Chinese president won't be sitting on his bottom turning a blind eye. The Chinese military protects all ethnic Chinese, no matter what citizenship, no matter where in the world.

    As for Crimea, when is Putin going to draft a UNGA resolution on Crimea to have a revote and get rid of international sanctions placed on Crimea? confused

    Old American guy went to Donbas to defend the people of Donbas from genocide carried out by putsch.  thumbsup



    US backed putsch committing crimes against humanity. White phosphorous at 1:50. Is that RT reporter duff or what? He refers to putsch as the Kiev authorities and the Donbas defenders as the self proclaimed republics. Not only that, he mentions the Kiev authorities first, giving preference. It is understandable he has speak like this because it is Putin's policy, but for gs, does he realize Russia would be next if putsch takes over Donbas?  What a Face


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