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    Re: Kurganets & Boomerang Discussions Thread #2

    Post  KoTeMoRe on Tue Jul 14, 2015 3:32 pm

    KomissarBojanchev wrote:I can't find any info on wether the bumerang and kurganets are amphibious, but judging by their completely unhydrodynamic hull form I'm inclined to believe that they aren't. If this is true , then the soviet mechanized doctrine, perfected for 60 years and the best in the world has been betrayed in the name of failed NATO doctrine whitch creates shitty white elephant lemons like the VBCI, LAV and STryker.



    APCs will always be pieces of shit in terms of raw armor. Adding more armor on an APC while sacrificing mobility and expendability is like polishing a piece of shit.
    look closer to thé rear both K and B.

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    Re: Kurganets & Boomerang Discussions Thread #2

    Post  AlfaT8 on Tue Jul 14, 2015 4:05 pm

    K


    B

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    Re: Kurganets & Boomerang Discussions Thread #2

    Post  2SPOOKY4U on Tue Jul 14, 2015 7:30 pm

    KomissarBojanchev wrote:I can't find any info on wether the bumerang and kurganets are amphibious, but judging by their completely unhydrodynamic hull form I'm inclined to believe that they aren't. If this is true , then the soviet mechanized doctrine, perfected for 60 years and the best in the world has been betrayed in the name of failed NATO doctrine whitch creates shitty white elephant lemons like the VBCI, LAV and STryker.



    APCs will always be pieces of shit in terms of raw armor. Adding more armor on an APC while sacrificing mobility and expendability is like polishing a piece of shit.

    Both Bumerang and Kurganets are amphibious, and I would not trust your "judgement" on what is hydrodynamic or not.

    You can see the podded props on the Bumerang, and the coverings on the water jets on the Kurganets.

    T-15 is an APC, I dare you to say that is armor is subpar or inadequate.

    Russia has not sacrificed anything in adding armor to the K or B, neither mobility nor expendability(which only applies to recon assets).


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    Re: Kurganets & Boomerang Discussions Thread #2

    Post  KomissarBojanchev on Tue Jul 14, 2015 8:47 pm



    Russia has not sacrificed anything in adding armor to the K or B, neither mobility nor expendability(which only applies to recon assets).
    Then the Russians have once again thankfully correctly designed an APC and IFV, not deviating into copying crappy NATO design philosophies...


    Everyone sees you for the troll you are BTW.
    Why the insults? Whether they're amphibious is a legitimate issue that surprisingly nobody has raised which made me bring it up.[/quote]

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    Post  2SPOOKY4U on Tue Jul 14, 2015 8:53 pm

    KomissarBojanchev wrote:
    Then the Russians have once again thankfully correctly designed an APC and IFV, not deviating into copying crappy NATO design philosophies...
    NATO design philosophy is meant to do what is meant to do, and does it perfectly fine.


    Why the insults? Whether they're amphibious is a legitimate issue that surprisingly nobody has raised which made me bring it up.

    Everyone already realized they are amphibious, because not everyone is a troll that thinks technological progress is linked to aircraft.

    The fact that you did not even see the podded propellers on the Boomerang is astounding. How the fck did you miss them?

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    Re: Kurganets & Boomerang Discussions Thread #2

    Post  KomissarBojanchev on Tue Jul 14, 2015 9:10 pm


    NATO design philosophy is meant to do what is meant to do, and does it perfectly fine.
    Apperently not, when most of it spawns overpriced inferior rube goldberg garbage like the Abrams, chieftain MBTs, stryker, and puma.



    Everyone already realized they are amphibious, because not everyone is a troll that thinks technological progress is linked to aircraft.

    The fact that you did not even see the podded propellers on the Boomerang is astounding. How the fck did you miss them?
    They looked more like exhaust pipes and I missed them. When I imagine a propeller I imagine a blade, not afterburner thingies.

    As for the kurganets, I thought they were ammo boxes.

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    Post  2SPOOKY4U on Wed Jul 15, 2015 5:20 am

    KomissarBojanchev wrote:
    NATO design philosophy is meant to do what is meant to do, and does it perfectly fine.
    Apperently not, when most of it spawns  overpriced inferior rube goldberg garbage like the Abrams, chieftain MBTs, stryker, and puma.



    Everyone already realized they are amphibious, because not everyone is a troll that thinks technological progress is linked to aircraft.

    The fact that you did not even see the podded propellers on the Boomerang is astounding. How the fck did you miss them?
    They looked more like exhaust pipes and I missed them. When I imagine a propeller I imagine a blade, not afterburner thingies.

    As for the kurganets, I thought they were ammo boxes.

    Abrams is the best tank in the world, bar none.

    Exhaust pipes? You do know the Bumerang has a front mounted engine.

    What do you mean by ammo boxes? I am talking about the things near the floor of the Kurganets, near the ramp/door.

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    Re: Kurganets & Boomerang Discussions Thread #2

    Post  Mike E on Wed Jul 15, 2015 9:45 am

    2SPOOKY4U wrote:Abrams is the best tank in the world, bar none.
    lol!
    Maybe 'one of the best', but most definitely not 'the best'.

    If you want to know why just go to the general tank info thread...

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    Post  2SPOOKY4U on Wed Jul 15, 2015 8:08 pm

    Mike E wrote:
    2SPOOKY4U wrote:Abrams is the best tank in the world, bar none.
    lol!
    Maybe 'one of the best', but most definitely not 'the best'.

    If you want to know why just go to the general tank info thread...

    How is it not the best?


    Armor to Volume ratio is as low as America's tolerance for tyranny.

    Does not have any GLATGMs because true American patriots cherish a struggle

    Has 550 liters of JP8 to easily burst into flames in memory of those who froze at Valley Forge.

    Truly the best tank.

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    Post  Werewolf on Wed Jul 15, 2015 8:14 pm

    2SPOOKY4U wrote:
    Mike E wrote:
    2SPOOKY4U wrote:Abrams is the best tank in the world, bar none.
    lol!
    Maybe 'one of the best', but most definitely not 'the best'.

    If you want to know why just go to the general tank info thread...

    How is it not the best?


    Armor to Volume ratio is as low as America's tolerance for tyranny.

    Does not have any GLATGMs because true American patriots cherish a struggle

    Has 550 liters of JP8 to easily burst into flames in memory of those who froze at Valley Forge.

    Truly the best tank.

    In Capitalist America JP8 cerosine fuel is part of Abrams armor, JP8 must contain fine dusted Depleted Uranium to achieve this magic...

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    Re: Kurganets & Boomerang Discussions Thread #2

    Post  Regular on Wed Jul 15, 2015 8:53 pm

    There are only few countries that can produce capable tanks. There are way worse tanks than Abrams. It's pretty much only decent american tank (not entirely american tho)

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    Post  Werewolf on Wed Jul 15, 2015 9:20 pm

    Regular wrote:There are only few countries that can produce capable tanks. There are way worse tanks than Abrams. It's pretty much only decent american tank (not entirely american tho)

    The only good thing on the Abrams is the stuff that is not american...the american part (engine) is catastrophic and makes this tank one off the worst. Logistics outweight everything else and that is a hard military fact that everybody knows that has any even amateurish interest in military.

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    Post  Book. on Thu Jul 16, 2015 3:43 am

    M1 abram good but no anti tadem

    Kontak 5 equip tank do for less

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    Post  Arctic_Fox on Thu Aug 27, 2015 9:28 pm

    Very Happy


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    Post  Zivo on Thu Aug 27, 2015 10:40 pm

    Arctic_Fox wrote:Very Happy


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    Re: Kurganets & Boomerang Discussions Thread #2

    Post  Book. on Sun Aug 30, 2015 4:28 am

    Благодаря новейшим технологиям российским "Курганцам" и "Бумерангам" не будут страшны даже снаряды с урановыми сердечниками

    Latest Russian technology help Kurganet Boomerang armor ready Anti tank missle + Uranium shell

    More Here: http://www.vestnik-rm.ru/news-4-13272.htm

    Russian defense industry has the technology to dramatically enhance the characteristics of domestic infantry fighting vehicles, armored personnel carriers, armored cars and BMD. So this summer, for the passage of military-technical forum "Army - 2015" in Moscow Kubinka OAO "NII Stali" presented its most advanced development. Let us consider some of them.

    For example, a ceramic plate to protect the light armored vehicles. Its structure consists of a protective flat SIC ceramics based on aluminum or steel substrate. This panel provides protection against small-caliber artillery shells with cores of heavy alloys caliber up to 30 mm.

    For the protection of armored vehicles developed by other panel consisting of roller ceramics based on corundum in the polymer matrix on the steel substrate or alyuminievoey. The level of protection to withstand armor-piercing bullets hit the B-32 caliber 14.5 mm.

    Aluminum armor layer PAS-2B is designed for the production of hulls of light armored vehicles. It consists of layers of aluminum alloys Different Strengths of ABT-101 and ABT-102. It provides gain in resistance compared with homogeneous and serial ply aluminum alloys 12-15%.

    Another interesting development is the foam aluminum. The exhibition was presented sample withstand the light armored undermining 6 kg of explosive. Aluminum foam is made of a new powder technology using high-strength aluminum alloy powder and titanium hydride (TIN2). Use of aluminum foam in the bottom of the structure results in reduced his weight to 300 kg.

    According to military experts, these developments will enable the domestic light armored vehicles not only effectively perform the tasks of the security of the state, but also to be competitive in the international arms market.

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    Re: Kurganets & Boomerang Discussions Thread #2

    Post  Mike E on Sun Aug 30, 2015 5:23 am

    SiC? Who in Russia manufactures that? It would be an odd move for Kurga/Bumer to not use the Al2O3 and B4C of Typhoon, Armata, and BMD-4M (applique), all of the which are produced by NEVZ. 

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    Post  Rmf on Sun Aug 30, 2015 2:46 pm

    correction its TiN2 , titanium-nitride ,very tough but very brittle , objects are put in warm nitride-solt baths where they stay for few days for nitride to diffuse in surface layer, that way you have high tensile strenght core with very tough surface, nitrides of titanium and aluminium ,nickel,chrome have most tougheness. used for gearboxes ,shafts ,bearings etc...

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    Re: Kurganets & Boomerang Discussions Thread #2

    Post  Militarov on Thu Sep 03, 2015 1:20 am

    "On a unified medium tracked platform "kurganets-25" planned to create a mobile reconnaissance, chassis control machinery, machine radiation and chemical reconnaissance, as well as self-propelled artillery gun (120 mm)," - said the Agency interlocutor.


    Interesting, from what i am aware almost all armies around the world prefered to pick wheeled platforms for NBC recon. I assume Russians want do build one on tracked so they can follow tanks?

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    Re: Kurganets & Boomerang Discussions Thread #2

    Post  GarryB on Thu Sep 03, 2015 12:13 pm

    They plan to have everything wheeled and everything tracked.

    There will be armata divisions where every vehicle is armata based (so all heavy and all tracked).

    There will also be Kurganets divisions where every vehicle is Kurganets based (so all medium weight and all tracked).

    There will also be Boomerang divisions where every vehicle is Boomerang based (so all medium weight and all wheeled).

    There will also be Typhoon divisions where every vehicle will be Typhoon based (so all light weight and all wheeled).


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    Re: Kurganets & Boomerang Discussions Thread #2

    Post  KoTeMoRe on Thu Sep 03, 2015 4:00 pm

    THis is very close to SAAB's current line up of Ceramic ballistic inlays. Russia still here when it comes to competition. Very interesting that they speak about export market ...

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    Re: Kurganets & Boomerang Discussions Thread #2

    Post  sepheronx on Thu Sep 03, 2015 4:14 pm

    When theh said it was going to be top of the line, they werent kidding.

    Just expensive as hell.

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    Post  magnumcromagnon on Thu Sep 03, 2015 5:41 pm

    sepheronx wrote:When theh said it was going to be top of the line, they werent kidding.

    Just expensive as hell.

    Cutting edge tends to be expensive, however the costs should definitely drop over time, plus the platforms are modular in every sense of the word, meaning that their lifespans while in service will be several times longer than non-modular armor platforms, in which you save a ton of money later on. They also have high parts commonality, which means that you could save money by sharing parts and spares, as well as saving money by buying a smaller variety of complex machine tools for the factories they're being built in, as well as training less people with a less variety of complex machinist and mechanical engineering duties.

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    Post  sepheronx on Thu Sep 03, 2015 5:46 pm

    Thats the great thing about this chasis. Pretty much universal and used for Kurganets and Armata. Future? Artillery and such. It will be used for so many functions, it will become quite cheap. Maybe cheaper than equipment now. But that is the future and glad Russians are looking at the future (this and pak fa as examples).

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    Post  Militarov on Thu Sep 03, 2015 6:59 pm

    Well i totally hope they wont literally have "everything", last time i checked Patria has workshop stretched version, hopefully Russians wont make workshop on Armata platform that would be totally an overkill Very Happy

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