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    Older warfare performance and short/mid-term decomissions

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    Vote (multiple choice allowed) for the armored vehicles under 15 tons performing well enough in the War of Donbas to avoid a total decommission by the end of this decade.

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    Re: Older warfare performance and short/mid-term decomissions

    Post  eehnie on Sat Nov 19, 2016 4:30 am

    One of the most interesting sources about decommissioned material comes from the Departament of Property Relations, and their sales and auctions.

    http://economy.mil.ru/economy/disposal_of_assets/movables/lots.htm

    For the year 2016, most of the sales and auctions have been related with land transport trucks and other material, but also it has been some sales related to land warfare, in this case in the form of scrap material or spare parts. My impression is that the amounts have been lower than in previous years, something that would be consistent with the fact of a reduction of the scrapping activity derived from the decommission wave of 2010-2013.

    The sales and auctions affected to the following models of land warfare:

    In low amounts:

    BMP-3: Sale and auction of scrap material related to some engineering vehicle.
    2S1: Sale and auction of scrap material related to some engineering vehicle.
    MT-LB: Sale and auction of scrap material.
    BMP-2: Sale and auction of scrap material.

    In bigger amounts:

    BRDM-2: Sale and auction of spare parts.
    BTR-60: Sale and auction of spare parts.

    T-64: Sale and auction of scrap material related to engineering vehicles.
    T-55: Sale and auction of scrap material related to engineering vehicles.
    T-54: Sale and auction of scrap material related to engineering vehicles.
    BTR-50: Sale and auction of spare parts.
    PT-76: Sale and auction of spare parts.

    Both the scrap material and the spare parts come likely from decommissioned and scrapped units. This is why this source is good to check the recent scrapping activity.

    From the reports I would assume that in 2016 only has been scrapping activity for armoured vehicles that are engineering variants of the T-54, T-55, T-64, and in lower amounts of the 2S1 and BMP-3. In the case of the BPM-2 and MT-LB the sales and actions can come from some brocken part and it is possible that some unit has been scrapped recently canibalized for spare parts.

    In the case of the BRDM-2, BTR-60, BTR-50 and PT-76, the sale and auction of spare parts likely means that the scrapping process was done in previous years, and that the Russian Armed Forces has not a need of them. It is possible that the spare parts from/for BRDM-2 be compatible with the SA-9 too. In the case of the BTR-50 and the PT-76 likely means a total liquidation of the stocks of spare parts.



    PS: In the case of land transport vehicles, there is even a sale of units that are in use still. There a Catalog from 2015 that you can see in the following link:

    http://economy.mil.ru/files/morf/katalog_vdvi_2_ochered.pdf


    Last edited by eehnie on Sat Jan 21, 2017 3:00 pm; edited 8 times in total (Reason for editing : Update with late reports in the year)

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    Re: Older warfare performance and short/mid-term decomissions

    Post  par far on Sat Nov 19, 2016 3:41 pm

    eehnie wrote:One of the most interesting sources about decommissioned material comes from the Departament of Property Relations, and their sales and auctions.

    http://economy.mil.ru/economy/disposal_of_assets/movables/lots.htm

    For the year 2016, most of the sales and auctions have been related with land transport trucks and other material, but also it has been some sales related to land warfare, in this case in the form of scrap material or spare parts. My impression is that the amounts have been lower than in previous years, something that would be consistent with the fact of a reduction of the scrapping activity derived from the decommission wave of 2010-2013.

    The sales and auctions affected to the following models of land warfare:

    In low amounts:

    BMP-3: Sale and auction of scrap material related to some engineering vehicle.
    2S1: Sale and auction of scrap material related to some engineering vehicle.
    MT-LB: Sale and auction of scrap material.
    BMP-2: Sale and auction of scrap material.

    In bigger amounts:

    BRDM-2: Sale and auction of spare parts.
    BTR-60: Sale and auction of spare parts.

    T-64: Sale and auction of scrap material related to engineering vehicles.
    T-55: Sale and auction of scrap material related to engineering vehicles.
    T-54: Sale and auction of scrap material related to engineering vehicles.
    BTR-50: Sale and auction of spare parts.
    PT-76: Sale and auction of spare parts.

    Both the scrap material and the spare parts come likely from decommissioned and scrapped units. This is why this source is good to check the recent scrapping activity.

    From the reports I would assume that in 2016 only has been scrapping activity for armoured vehicles that are engineering variants of the T-54, T-55, T-64, and in lower amounts of the 2S1 and BMP-3. In the case of the BPM-2 and MT-LB the sales and actions can come from some brocken part and it is possible that some unit has been scrapped recently canibalized for spare parts.

    In the case of the BRDM-2, BTR-60, BTR-50 and PT-76, the sale and auction of spare parts likely means that the scrapping process was done in previous years, and that the Russian Armed Forces has not a need of them. It is possible that the spare parts from/for BRDM-2 be compatible with the SA-9 too. In the case of the BTR-50 and the PT-76 likely means a total liquidation of the stocks of spare parts.



    PS: In the case of land transport vehicles, there is even a sale of units that are in use still. There a Catalog from 2015 that you can see in the following link:

    http://economy.mil.ru/files/morf/katalog_vdvi_2_ochered.pdf



    Instead of doing this, why don't they clean up the stuff, make sure it is working and send it to Syria?
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    Re: Older warfare performance and short/mid-term decomissions

    Post  eehnie on Sun Nov 20, 2016 3:11 am

    par far wrote:
    eehnie wrote:One of the most interesting sources about decommissioned material comes from the Departament of Property Relations, and their sales and auctions.

    http://economy.mil.ru/economy/disposal_of_assets/movables/lots.htm

    For the year 2016, most of the sales and auctions have been related with land transport trucks and other material, but also it has been some sales related to land warfare, in this case in the form of scrap material or spare parts. My impression is that the amounts have been lower than in previous years, something that would be consistent with the fact of a reduction of the scrapping activity derived from the decommission wave of 2010-2013.

    The sales and auctions affected to the following models of land warfare:

    In low amounts:

    BMP-3: Sale and auction of scrap material related to some engineering vehicle.
    2S1: Sale and auction of scrap material related to some engineering vehicle.
    MT-LB: Sale and auction of scrap material.
    BMP-2: Sale and auction of scrap material.

    In bigger amounts:

    BRDM-2: Sale and auction of spare parts.
    BTR-60: Sale and auction of spare parts.

    T-64: Sale and auction of scrap material related to engineering vehicles.
    T-55: Sale and auction of scrap material related to engineering vehicles.
    T-54: Sale and auction of scrap material related to engineering vehicles.
    BTR-50: Sale and auction of spare parts.
    PT-76: Sale and auction of spare parts.

    Both the scrap material and the spare parts come likely from decommissioned and scrapped units. This is why this source is good to check the recent scrapping activity.

    From the reports I would assume that in 2016 only has been scrapping activity for armoured vehicles that are engineering variants of the T-54, T-55, T-64, and in lower amounts of the 2S1 and BMP-3. In the case of the BPM-2 and MT-LB the sales and actions can come from some brocken part and it is possible that some unit has been scrapped recently canibalized for spare parts.

    In the case of the BRDM-2, BTR-60, BTR-50 and PT-76, the sale and auction of spare parts likely means that the scrapping process was done in previous years, and that the Russian Armed Forces has not a need of them. It is possible that the spare parts from/for BRDM-2 be compatible with the SA-9 too. In the case of the BTR-50 and the PT-76 likely means a total liquidation of the stocks of spare parts.



    PS: In the case of land transport vehicles, there is even a sale of units that are in use still. There a Catalog from 2015 that you can see in the following link:

    http://economy.mil.ru/files/morf/katalog_vdvi_2_ochered.pdf



    Instead of doing this, why don't they clean up the stuff, make sure it is working and send it to Syria?

    Russia makes some money.

    As resume we can say that all this come from:

    - Engineering vehicle variants of BMP-3, 2S1, T-64, T-55 and T-54.
    - Spare parts of BRDM-2, BTR-60, BTR-50 and PT-76 of units scrapped before 2016.
    - A few brocken parts or parts of canibalized units of MT-LB and BMP-2

    Not really useful for combat in Syria, except the spare parts.
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    Re: Older warfare performance and short/mid-term decomissions

    Post  GarryB on Sun Nov 20, 2016 4:15 am

    The cost of cleaning it up and even giving it some minor upgrades to make it more useful does make it expensive charity.

    If you could get a country to take it for a nominal fee and perhaps pay Russia to refurbish and upgrade it before sending it it would be worth the effort.

    Otherwise it simply makes more sense simply to auction it off as scrap or to museums around the world that might want a vehicle or two in their display... and of course the odd collector...


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    Re: Older warfare performance and short/mid-term decomissions

    Post  eehnie on Sat Jan 21, 2017 1:03 pm

    One of the most interesting sources about decommissioned material comes from the Departament of Property Relations, and their sales and auctions.

    http://economy.mil.ru/economy/disposal_of_assets/movables/lots.htm

    For the year 2016, most of the sales and auctions have been related with land transport trucks and other material, but also it has been some sales related to land warfare, in this case in the form of scrap material or spare parts. My impression is that the amounts have been lower than in previous years, something that would be consistent with the fact of a reduction of the scrapping activity derived from the decommission wave of 2010-2013.

    The sales and auctions affected to the following models of land warfare:

    In low amounts:

    BMP-3: Sale and auction of scrap material related to some engineering vehicle.
    2S1: Sale and auction of scrap material related to some engineering vehicle.
    BMP-2: Sale and auction of scrap material.

    In bigger amounts:

    MT-LB: Sale and auction of scrap material.
    BRDM-2: Sale and auction of scrap material and spare parts.
    BMP-1: Sale and auction of scrap material and spare parts.
    BTR-60: Sale and auction of scrap material and spare parts.

    AT-T: Sale and auction of scrap material of engineering vehicles.

    T-55: Sale and auction of scrap material only related to engineering vehicles.
    T-54: Sale and auction of scrap material only related to engineering vehicles.
    BTR-50: Sale and auction of scrap material and spare parts.

    PT-76: Sale and auction of spare parts.
    BRDM-1: Sale and auction of spare parts.

    Both the scrap material and the spare parts come likely from decommissioned and scrapped units. This is why this source is good to check the recent scrapping activity.

    In the case of the units of the BMP-3, 2S1 and BMP-2 is possible to talk about isolate cases of broken pieces or canibalized units. We can see in the reports that the recent scrapping activity has been centered in units of the MT-LB, BRDM-2, BMP-1, BTR-60 and engineering units based in the T-55 and AT-T. Also there is still some activity with T-54 and BTR-50, but lower.

    Looking at the reports I tend to think that:
    - The scrapping process of the BRDM-1 was finnished before 2016, including sales and auction fo scrap material. In 2016 would be the liquidation of the spare parts.
    - The scrapping process of the PT-76 was finnished before 2016, including sales and auction of scrap material. In 2016 would be the liquidation of the spare parts.
    - The scrapping process of the BTR-50 can be totally finnished, even with a liquidation of the spare parts.
    - The scrapping process of the T-54 tanks can be totally finnished, including the engineering variants.
    - The scrapping process of the T-55 tanks can be totally finnished, while it is possible that some engineering units remain to be scrapped in 2017.
    - The scrapping process of the AT-T engineering vehicles seems close to the end, while it is possible to see increasing the scrapping in 2017.
    - The scrapping process of the T-64 tanks can be totally finnished, but not for the engineering variants.

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