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    Alleged Russian Soldiers-Οperatives In Ukraine

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    Re: Alleged Russian Soldiers-Οperatives In Ukraine

    Post  franco on Tue Oct 23, 2018 1:46 am

    Tsavo Lion wrote:
    ..the largely russian Crimea was able to hold order with the help of the Russian military personnel based there legally at Sevastopol long enough to hold a referendum and get off the USS Ukraine...
    They flew in more troops- the capital Simferopol & few other big towns had no Russian bases nearby.
    Romanians r now also concerned: https://regnum.ru/news/polit/2505474.html
    Ukraine is losing people: https://iz.ru/803000/igor-karmazin/skazku-sdelat-ubyliu-kak-i-pochemu-vymiraet-ukraina

    Low intensity border/civil war will keep this dying out & exodus going, with only the most destitute remaining. Russia (& others) will have less of a problem re-absorbing it back, & welcome those S. African farmers as the Germans were welcomed there 200 years ago.

    So how many troops did the Russians have in Crimea?

    How many troops were they allowed to have under treaty?

    How many of the Ukrainian troops defect sides?
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    Re: Alleged Russian Soldiers-Οperatives In Ukraine

    Post  Tsavo Lion on Tue Oct 23, 2018 3:13 am

    The treaty also allowed Russia to maintain up to 25,000 troops, 24 artillery systems, 132 armored vehicles, and 22 military planes on the Crimean Peninsula.
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Partition_Treaty_on_the_Status_and_Conditions_of_the_Black_Sea_Fleet
    https://www.rt.com/news/russian-troops-crimea-ukraine-816/

    Before the coup, they had less than 25K troops there; don't know the exact figure.
    https://www.rt.com/news/ukraine-military-russia-resign-437/
    https://www.npr.org/sections/thetwo-way/2014/04/16/303646309/in-ukraine-reports-of-soldiers-switching-to-pro-russia-side
    More than 10,000 cases of desertion had been registered in the Ukrainian Army since the outbreak of the Donbass war in April 2014, Ukrainian Vesti reported. In 2014 the army suffered heavy desertion and nearly 30 percent of the servicemen called up in the first wave of mobilization (March 17) abandoned their positions, Ukrainian President Petro Poroshenko said.
    Hundreds of Ukrainian men chose to flee the country rather than be enrolled. Presidential adviser Yuri Biryukov said January 27, 2015 "Over the past 30 days the state border in Chernivtsi region crossed 17% of total military service area. From unofficial sources that hostels and motels in the border areas of neighboring Romania completely filled by those who evade conscription". ..
    Out of 18,000 Ukrainian troops stationed in Crimea, 3,000 said they wished to continue service with the Ukrainian armed forces, according to Russian sources. The troops departed by buses from various areas in the Black Sea peninsula. Military equipment would be transported to Ukraine by railways, under an agreement with the Russian Defense Ministry. About 12,000 of the 15,450 members of the Ukrainian Navy were based in the Crimea. The Acting Defense Minister Igor Tenyukh reported that 4,300 soldiers from the Crimea wanted to continue to serve in the Forces of Ukraine. "4,300 troops and 2,200 members of their families have expressed a desire to continue to serve in the Armed Forces of Ukraine", - said I. Tenyukh, speaking from the rostrum of VR. ..
    More than 16,000 former servicemen and civilian personnel of the Ukrainian armed forces were employed in the military service and given civilian jobs in the Russian armed forces, First Deputy Defense Minister Arkady Bakhin said at an intercom conference held at the situation center of the Defense Ministry on 15 April 2014. "The Russian citizenship was given to 9,268 former servicemen and personnel of the Ukrainian armed forces who were employed in the military service in the Russian armed forces on a contract basis," Bakhin said. Besides, a total of 7,050 former civilian personnel of the Ukrainian armed forces have been employed at the units of the Russian Black Sea Fleet, Bakhin said.
    https://www.globalsecurity.org/military/world/ukraine/personnel.htm

    Andrey Illarionov, former advisor of Vladimir Putin, said in a speech on 31 May 2014 that some technologies of Russo-Georgian War, were updated and again being exploited in Ukraine. ..The war in Ukraine did not happen "all of sudden", but was pre-planned and the preparations began as early as 2003. Illarionov later stated that one of the Russian plans envisaged war with Ukraine in 2015 after a presidential election, however Maidan accelerated the confrontation. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russian_military_intervention_in_Ukraine_(2014%E2%80%93present)#Crimea
    They were prudent to make those plans, every other army would have done the same in those circumstances!


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    Re: Alleged Russian Soldiers-Οperatives In Ukraine

    Post  franco on Wed Oct 24, 2018 10:02 pm

    They had between 12 and 13 thousand troops stationed there at the time of Maidan. Another approximately 11,000 moved in to bring them up closer to treaty amount Wink what invasion are you talking about Willis? Suspect The purpose of the troops was to confine loyal Ukrainian to their barracks and prevent reinforcements while the Crimea referendum was organized and took place.

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