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    Post  KoTeMoRe on Wed May 13, 2015 9:34 pm

    Bolt wrote:Consider this a hearsay, but it was taken from Twower's blog, who is a former Russian officer, and still has some connections in the Army. I'm leaning to believe that what he says here is mostly true.






    Such insane ratio doesn't seem so insane if one remembers that Ukrainian forces tried to break through Novorussian forces in march columns, without any overwatch and support.

    there are more interesting comments about the possible losses of RF army near Illoivaisk in August:

    http://twower.livejournal.com/1661510.html#comments

    Oh we have a couple of BTG's? Don't let Werewolf see this, he's going to lose his mind. clown All in all, seems quite correct on the ratio. Ukrops were abso-fvckin-lutely nowhere near ready for that lick. But the description is bad...really bad.
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    Post  Neutrality on Wed May 13, 2015 9:36 pm

    whir wrote:
    People's deputy and a former member of the Party of Regions Sergey Dunayev at a rally on May 9 in Lugansk militia called the LC heroes and added that the Ukrainian government is a puppet of the IMF.

    Expecting this brave MP to commit suicide soon.
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    Post  gregoire on Wed May 13, 2015 11:09 pm

    Neutrality wrote:
    whir wrote:
    People's deputy and a former member of the Party of Regions Sergey Dunayev at a rally on May 9 in Lugansk militia called the LC heroes and added that the Ukrainian government is a puppet of the IMF.

    Expecting this brave MP to commit suicide soon.

    Suicided is the word.
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    Post  whir on Wed May 13, 2015 11:29 pm

    The Insider via Google Translate wrote:НАТО закликало бойовиків не перешкоджати спостерігачам ОБСЄ
    NATO urged militants not to interfere with the OSCE
    13 MAY 201522:04

    North Atlantic Treaty Organization (NATO) urges militants not to interfere with the observers of the Organization for Security and Cooperation in Europe (OSCE).

    This is stated in a joint statement after the meeting commission "Ukraine - NATO", according to Ukrainian news .

    "We are also concerned about the continuing obstacles SMM work of the OSCE, especially the separatists, as well as the increasing number of cases that threaten the safety and security of observers," - said in a statement.

    NATO has urged militants to full compliance with the ceasefire and of special monitoring mission of the OSCE permanent and unhindered access to its mandate. Continue reading.

    BBC Ukraina via Google Translate wrote:У Латвії хочуть заборонити георгіївські стрічки
    Latvia wants to ban George Ribbon
    Oksana Antonenko Russian service Bi-bi-si, Riga
    Latvian MPs propose to ban the use of St. George ribbons during public events.

    George Ribbon is a symbol of Russian neo-imperialism, and identified with the occupation of the Crimea and military operations in the south-east of Ukraine, the authors of the bill.

    According to deputies, the public is concerned about the post-Soviet countries the increasing influence of the Russian propaganda, because in some countries the use of St. George ribbons were limited, and the rest - is prohibited.

    MPs propose to introduce in Latvia total ban on George Ribbon during public entertainment and festivities. Continue reading.

    UNIAN via Google Translate wrote:Кабмін схвалив приватизацію понад 300 держпідприємств
    Cabinet approved the privatization of 300 state-owned enterprises
    13.05.2015 | 10:44

    Total listed for privatization of 286 facilities, with another 43 sites included in the list of prohibited privatization for sale of which is necessary decision of the Verkhovna Rada.

    The Cabinet of Ministers of Ukraine approved the privatization of the Odessa Portside Plant, "Sumykhimprom", a number of ports, the company "Centrenergo" and derzhchastok remaining in the thermal generation companies and power companies.

    This is stated in the resolution of the Cabinet of Ministers №271 from May 12, "On conducting a transparent and competitive privatization in 2015", published on the government website.

    The list also has a number of enterprises, subordinated to the Ministry of Agriculture and Food, the state coal mine enterprises, concern "Ukrtorf" Scientific-Production Association "Electronmash" "President-Hotel". Continue reading.

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    Post  whir on Wed May 13, 2015 11:48 pm

    Sputnik wrote:Poroshenko Triples Asking Price in Roshen Sale
    EUROPE 12:59 13.05.2015(updated 14:54 13.05.2015)

    One of the world's largest confectionery companies, Nestle, is mulling the purchase of the Roshen confectionery company owned by Ukrainian President Petro Poroshenko for $1 billion dollars.

    However, the price Roshen’s owner wants is three times higher than expected.
    “Roshen has been estimated by its owners to be worth about $3 billion. But the only potential buyer showing interest in the Ukrainian asset is Nestle SA, which  is ready to pay no more than $1 billion," Bloomberg said. Continue reading.

    Lenta via Google Translate wrote:Самолет МЧС России доставил на лечение в Москву детей из Донбасса
    Russian Emergency Situations Ministry plane delivered to Moscow for treatment of children from the Donbass
    00:50, 14 May 2015

    From Rostov-on-Don to Moscow for treatment flown Russian Emergencies Ministry 18 seriously ill children - residents of Donbass. This RIA Novosti reported the press service of the department.

    According to the source, the plane Il-76 landed at the airport "Domodedovo", where children are hospitalized in the capital's hospitals. In Moscow, brought only those children whose state of health has allowed their transportation.

    In patients, the youngest of which is not yet a year old, the different diagnoses. All of them are in urgent need of highly skilled and high-tech medical care, which they have in full can not because of the difficult situation in the Donbass.

    Armed conflict continues in the Donbass in the spring of 2014, when the coup d'état in Kiev residents of Donetsk and Lugansk regions voted for the establishment of People's Republic. New Ukrainian authorities launched a military operation in which thousands of people died.

    Following the talks, the leaders of the "Norman Quartet" (Russia, Ukraine, France and Germany) in Minsk was reached a ceasefire agreement. Continue reading.

    Espreso TV via Google Translate wrote:Сербія не буде вводити санкції проти Росії, - президент
    Serbia will not impose sanctions against Russia - President
    MAY 14, 2015 1:04

    Tomislav Nikolic believes that Russia and the European Union with negotiations to resolve their differences

    This writes Espreso.TV with reference to the Mirror of the Week.

    Serbia will maintain a neutral position and will not introduce sanctions against Russia, said President Tomislav Nikolic.

    "We still believe that Russia and the European Union with negotiations to resolve their differences, and we are ready by Serbia's presidency in the OSCE in full as soon as possible to promote the full settlement of the crisis in Ukraine", - said Nikolic during a meeting with Chairman of the Federation Council Valentina Matviyenko

    Previously, Serbia has repeatedly stated its unwillingness to join the EU sanctions against Russia, though it is contrary to its EU membership aspirations. Continue reading.

    Espreso TV via Google Translate wrote:Яресько розповіла, скільки грошей Україна витрачає на війну щодня
    Jaresko told how much Ukraine spends money on the war every day
    MAY 13, 2015 21:43

    The daily cost of military confrontation in eastern Ukraine are about $ 5-7 million

    This was reported by Minister of Finance Natalia Jaresko interview in Ukraine Today on Wednesday, writes Espreso.TV referring to Tsenzor.net.

    Asked how much of the war every day, she noted that earlier this sum was about $ 10 million, but depreciation reduced it to $ 5.7 million.

    The Minister noted that in general in the state budget of Ukraine for 2015 on national defense and law enforcement agencies allocated 5% of GDP.

    "This is more than ever in the history of independent Ukraine in its national security," - said Jaresko. Continue reading.

    Espreso TV via Google Translate wrote:Аваков розповів, які реформаторські законопроекти МВС розглядатиме незабаром Рада
    Avakov said that the reform bill will soon consider MIA Council
    MAY 13, 2015 22:35

    Interior Minister introduced a bill to reform the police officers who were sent to the Parliament

    Reported Espreso.TV with reference to the press service of the Interior Ministry.

    Interior Minister said that according to the concept of the submitted documents, the Interior Ministry must be civilian education. The Office will enter the National Police, the National Guard, Border Guard and Emergency Service, Migration Service and Ministry of Internal Affairs Service Center.

    In addition, Arsen Avakov said that the bill proposed to demilitarize law enforcement agencies, reduce the number of employees of the Ministry for European standards - 223 policeman for 10 thousand people. According to him, also proposed that the Ministry of Interior personnel were complete re-certification.

    The Committee on Legislative Support of Law Enforcement recommended to include bills related to the reform of the Interior Ministry, the agenda of the next plenary week Verkhovna Rada of Ukraine. Continue reading.


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    Post  Vann7 on Thu May 14, 2015 12:17 am


    Bolt wrote:
    Consider this a hearsay, but it was taken from Twower's blog, who is a former Russian officer, and still has some connections in the Army. I'm leaning to believe that what he says here is mostly true.


    And how you know he is a "former Russian Officer" ? or that he have "some connections in the army" , because is on internet it must be true?  lol1   Common show evidence and stop
    posting Rumors without any evidence and later claiming it must be true. No  Anyone can
    claim to be "insider" and pull from his Ass numbers and later claim is real... Poroshenko
    last year told 12,000 Russian ARmy soldiers were killed in the airport alone.. lol1 yet they were so unlucky to not have anyone in the ukraine army with smartphone and take a single picture of it.. Rolling Eyes as always ,words are cheap ,when no evidence presented to backup them.

    yet his explanation of why they lost the airport ,is that they simply saw no point in holding it
    because was too destroyed and retreated..    Rolling Eyes   But today Poroshenko is saying is an strategic place and that they will take it again..  Wink  And his right hand YAtsenut , told that Russia captured the airport using nukes..  Shocked   Is just total stupidity and people who backup things without evidence and claim is a facts are really embarrassing themselves.

    So really stop posting Rumors of "insiders" ,or Internet "blogger experts" like Casadd or Saker who have been wrong too in many of their claims.. and any Mothers of soldiers bullshit ,and later claim something is true without any evidence..  i still remember the conspiracies promoted by so called "Experts" with popular websites like Saker..  of how Russian Central Bank was in bes with the west.. and was going to destroy Russia economy.  lol1

    Now no one talks negatively about the head of central bank of Russia ,is even called "lucky" by the west and reports of how she saved Russia.

    if you have any evidence of a single Russian ARmy soldier fighting in Ukraine killed ,then go ahead ,and post your evidence.. but stop claiming things without evidence. Buks missiles? Russian army invasion with hundreds or thousands Russian army killed?  Evidence please..
    or it never happened.  IF kiev had any evidence they will show it in no time to try to get more sanctions on Russia..and will not not rely in Social media and bloggers or photos from Georgia invasion as "Evidence".  Rolling Eyes  

    In more news.. a picture is worth of thousand words..  

    Putin playing Chess and Obama checkers.. i really like how a simple image
    can say more than a wall of text .  Laughing

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    Post  Neutrality on Thu May 14, 2015 12:23 am

    The lunatic speaks again: http://www.heute.de/ukrainischer-praesident-poroschenko-will-kaempfen-bis-zum-letzten-blutstropfen-38431562.html

    Summary: He says that the Minsk agreements are nothing but a "pseudoceasefire". During the entire ceasefire the army has already lost 83 soldiers. Some BS again about personally, with his own eyes, seeing modern Russian equipment. He complete denies fueling the conflict and "there's no one who considers my government nationalist". Promises to fight for their land until the last blood drop: "this is our land which we consider to be our homeland".

    Then he undermines his own words and basically says the reports about him retaking Donetsk is produced by Russian propaganda. Says that Ukraine supports the full implementation of the Minks agreements and that peace can only be reached in this way.

    He has totally lost it. If he wants to dance, the NAF should give him his last dance.
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    Post  Vann7 on Thu May 14, 2015 12:53 am

    Neutrality wrote:The lunatic speaks again: http://www.heute.de/ukrainischer-praesident-poroschenko-will-kaempfen-bis-zum-letzten-blutstropfen-38431562.html

    Summary: He says that the Minsk agreements are nothing but a "pseudoceasefire". During the entire ceasefire the army has already lost 83 soldiers. Some BS again about personally, with his own eyes, seeing modern Russian equipment. He complete denies fueling the conflict and "there's no one who considers my government nationalist". Promises to fight for their land until the last blood drop: "this is our land which we consider to be our homeland".

    Then he undermines his own words and basically says the reports about him retaking Donetsk is produced by Russian propaganda. Says that Ukraine supports the full implementation of the Minks agreements and that peace can only be reached in this way.

    He has totally lost it. If he wants to dance, the NAF should give him his last dance.

    Honestly i do not see ever peace in Ukraine with the current Administration they have.. Not even if Obama and kerry give up in Ukraine.. it will have the CIA ,the Republicans and other Zionist states trying to sabotage the peace process.. So either Poroshenko ,is pressured by Europe to get rid of its parliament ,the self promoted as nazis and rusophobics factions to create a representative government in kiev,that includes Russian people..  OR
    Ukraine will have to be disbanded , in many parts.. and with the blessings of Europe and any City allowed to form its own country , The Rusophobic factions become part of Poland ,the Neutral factions to become and independent Nation and the Pro Russian factions to become part of Russia. But with the parliament kiev have..and the Rusophobic ministries there is no chance.

    I think Poroshenko is not Rusophobic ,and only trying to save its neck ,by avoiding being seen
    as Pro Russia..   You can see this by his Chocolate Factory have not ceased operations in Russia.. SO obviously he do see the value in keeping open its doors for business with Russia..
    All oligarchs without care for anyone are that way.. they will never reject a good offer ,that is profitable for them. So can be bribed.  Fanatics in the other hand ,you can't.


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    Post  Cowboy's daughter on Thu May 14, 2015 1:08 am

    Vann7 wrote:
    Neutrality wrote:The lunatic speaks again: http://www.heute.de/ukrainischer-praesident-poroschenko-will-kaempfen-bis-zum-letzten-blutstropfen-38431562.html

    Summary: He says that the Minsk agreements are nothing but a "pseudoceasefire". During the entire ceasefire the army has already lost 83 soldiers. Some BS again about personally, with his own eyes, seeing modern Russian equipment. He complete denies fueling the conflict and "there's no one who considers my government nationalist". Promises to fight for their land until the last blood drop: "this is our land which we consider to be our homeland".

    Then he undermines his own words and basically says the reports about him retaking Donetsk is produced by Russian propaganda. Says that Ukraine supports the full implementation of the Minks agreements and that peace can only be reached in this way.

    He has totally lost it. If he wants to dance, the NAF should give him his last dance.

    Honestly i do not see ever peace in Ukraine with the current Administration they have.. Not even if Obama and kerry give up in Ukraine.. it will have the CIA ,the Republicans and other Zionist states trying to sabotage the peace process.. So either Poroshenko ,is pressured by Europe to get rid of its parliament ,the so called nazis and rusophobics factions to create a representative government in kiev,that includes Russian people..  OR
    Ukraine will have to be disbanded , in many parts.. and with the blessings of Europe and any City allowed to form its own country , The Rusophobic factions become part of Poland ,the Neutral factions to become and independent Nation and the Pro Russian factions to become part of Russia. But with the parliament kiev have..and the Rusophobic ministries there is no chance.

    I think Poroshenko is not Rusophobic ,and only trying to save its neck ,by avoiding being seen
    as Pro Russia..   You can see this by his Chocolate Factory have not ceased operations in Russia.. SO obviously he do see the value in keeping open its doors for business with Russia..
    All oligarchs without care for anyone are that way.. they will never reject a good offer ,that is profitable for them. So can be bribed.  Fanatics in the other hand ,you can't.

    Yes, he's trying to appease 2 masters: the EU and the Nationalists. If he isn't Rusophobic, then he is cold-hearted, and cares for no one but himself.
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    *I cannot stand John McCain.

    Ukraine Makes John McCain A Presidential Advisor — Without Telling Him First

    The Arizona senator says Ukraine announced his appointment to a semi-official government position before he cleared it under Senate rules.



    http://www.buzzfeed.com/maxseddon/ukraine-makes-john-mccain-a-presidential-advisor-without-tel#.nqbJ0Mnn2
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    Post  Flagship Victory on Thu May 14, 2015 1:16 am

    Lugansk catridge works make 7N10 bullets. Were these inherited from the USSR or did Ukraine acquire such bullets after 1991? This is a very deadly bullet.

    http://catalog.use.kiev.ua/index.php?action=setLang&lang=ukr&page=catalog&search_val=&view=product&id=727&cat_id=67&eid=


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    Post  Cowboy's daughter on Thu May 14, 2015 1:18 am

    Truth about situation in Ukraine

    Please, do share as the media is totally silent about this!

    Today, residents of Kiev picketed the US embassy calling for an end to the US interference in Ukraine. People carried placards that read “USA, thanks for war”, “the US is grief of Ukraine”, “We are not cattle”, “the US policy is poverty for Ukraine”, “the US + weapons = War”, as well as photos of destructions and killed people of Donbass. They drew doves of peace and wrote different anti-war phrases with chalk on asphalt near the US embassy. They also burned their placards in protest under the slogan “Never again!”, hoping that the civil war waged by the US will end as soon as possbile. People had to hide their faces because you can easily be brought to trial for speaking out against the Kiev junta.

    Videos of the picket you can find here: https://www.youtube.com/chan…/UCloLjyH0SXkyjz-D4DRrb3g/videos
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    Post  Cowboy's daughter on Thu May 14, 2015 1:20 am


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    Official data reveal the scale of draft dodging in the Volyn Region in Western Ukraine during the war in Donbas: Some 8 thousand persons were drafted and only 532 volunteered to serve in the armed forces of Ukraine, compared to 12 thousand who avoided or dishonored their draft notices. In addition, various reports from the Volyn Region suggest that the majority of those who obeyed their draft notices, then avoided the draft for medical reasons, and that a significant proportion if not majority of the medical reasons were made up. Out of 856 deputies, who received draft notices, only 294 (34%) passed their medical commissions. As of January 2015, more than 1,100 residents of the Volyn Region deserted during their military service in Donbas.

    http://www.volynnews.com/news/vidsichagresoruukrayinayedina/volynski-biytsi-na-skhidnomu-fronti-infohrafika/
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    Post  Cowboy's daughter on Thu May 14, 2015 1:23 am

    from Truth About Situation In Ukraine, facebook

    http://dan-news.info/politics/respubliki-donbassa-pridali-oglaske-svoi-predlozheniya-ob-izmenenii-konstitucii-ukrainy.html

    Today, the Donetsk and Lugansk People's Republics published a list of proposed amendments to the Ukrainian Constitution. The amendments cover six main articles of the document. There is a proposed supplement to Article 17 or 18, “Ukraine will not join any military bloc or alliance, it will be neutral, and will not take part in military action outside its territory”. It proposed to make the law on the special status of the Donbass permanent (instead of the current temporary status of three years only). It made eight amendments to Article 139, in particular, to create a separate autonomous Donbass region, with its own election commission. The DPR and LPR could form people’s militia, with powers defined in separate legislation. Local officials would appoint and direct the militia. Local authorities would create and abolish courts, regulate their activities, and appoint and dismiss judges and procurators. The authorities of Donbass would monitor regional natural resources, oversee construction, tourism, transport, culture (including construction and protection of monuments, obelisks, and memorials), and education (mandating use of the Russian language). Ukraine, for its part, would set aside a part of its annual budget to finance the development in the DPR and LPR, promote coöperation between regions, fix adequate sources of financing, and introduce a special economic régime. The Cabinet of Ministers of the Ukraine would have the duty to contribute to the socioeconomic and cultural development of the Donbass. wrote:
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    Post  Cowboy's daughter on Thu May 14, 2015 1:26 am

    from Truth About Situation In Ukraine facebook

    Andrey Ryurikov, a dweller of Odessa, reports that Odessans are reconstructing the improvised memorial to the victims of the Odessa Massacre of May 2, 2014: "The Memorial to Kulikovo Pole movement members will be reconstructed! I visited Kulikovo Pole today. The memorial to the fallen Odessans has been partially reconstructed. It existed, it keeps on existing and it will exist, no matter how hard the Maidan scum try dismantle it and erase its own crimes from the memory of Odessa dwellers. Moreover, I am sure that the day will come and a real monument to the perished Odessans made of marble will rise up in the site of this memorial. And meanwhile those inhabitants of the city, who are not indifferent, are here and are reconstructing what they can, creating a wham-bam memorial.Those, who want to help, can join in at 6 PM". wrote:


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    Post  Cowboy's daughter on Thu May 14, 2015 1:29 am

    from Truth About the Situation In Ukraine, fb.

    [b]13th of May, 2015. Donetsk People's Republic, Novorossiya.[/b] Ukrainian forces have violated the ceasefire regime 41 times in the last 24 hours, the DPR Defense Ministry told the Donetsk News Agency. “Over the past 24 hours, we recorded 41 ceasefire violations; the enemy continues to use heavy weapons. Ukrainian army fired five times with artillery, four times with tanks, five times with armoured vehicles, 17 times with mortars, one time with anti-aircraft guns, three times with anti-tank guided missiles, and 6 times using grenade launchers and small arms. They fired on Donetsk (including Oktyabr settlement, the Oktyabrskaya coal mine, the Donetsk airport, and the nearby Volvo Center), Gorlovka, Yasinovataya, Spartak, Zhabichevo, Logvinovo, and Kalinovka. Currently, it isn’t clear whether there were civilian and military casualties,” – the DPR Defense Ministry spokesperson said. wrote:

    http://dan-news.info/defence/ukrainskie-siloviki-za-sutki-bolee-40-raz-obstrelyali-territoriyu-dnr-minoborony.html
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    Post  Vann7 on Thu May 14, 2015 1:51 am

    Flagship Victory wrote:Lugansk catridge works make 7N10 bullets. Were these inherited from the USSR or did Ukraine acquire such bullets after 1991? This is a very deadly bullet.

    http://catalog.use.kiev.ua/index.php?action=setLang&lang=ukr&page=catalog&search_val=&view=product&id=727&cat_id=67&eid=

    Lugansk/Donetsk have factories to build and repair tanks..  and there is something wonderful
    called EVIDENCE of it.. A VICE report visit the factory and shows they repairing the Ukrainians
    Captured tanks.. If they can make tanks and APCs and a bullet will be nothing..  There is apparently also industry in donetsk to build anti tank missiles..or some parts of it.. but this is not confirmed yet..  the soviet military industry specially the one based in ARmy had  industries in Donetsk and Kharkiv. Ukraine got those industries for free after their declared independence and Russia accepted it.. figure that..  They now call terrorist the people that are demanding
    independence too as kiev in the 90s did.

    In other news.. Russian ARmy invasion "finally confirmed".. lol1
    Here is the investigative  report that Nemetsov and Opposition of Russian government was working about Russian army invasion.. Wink

    Warning with the video.. if you were expecting finally evidence you will be disappointed.



    Just think about this for a second..Russian army soldiers killed ,hundreds or thousands
    claimed to be killed depending on who you ask... They can count bodies the bodies
    of hundreds of "Russian soldiers" ? .. but they cannot take a single photo.Ops.. they didn't thought was important.. or simply forgot.  Rolling Eyes How it is no one in the Ukraine Army have a digital phone? did that technology ever got there?  No   BullSHIT! this is what i think of all that.. shows how laughable is the claim of Russian Army invasion.



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    Post  BKP on Thu May 14, 2015 2:12 am

    Sorry, sorry...


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    Post  BKP on Thu May 14, 2015 2:13 am

    Deleted. Reposted below. Sorry.


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    Post  Flagship Victory on Thu May 14, 2015 2:13 am

    Vann7 wrote:
    Flagship Victory wrote:Lugansk catridge works make 7N10 bullets. Were these inherited from the USSR or did Ukraine acquire such bullets after 1991? This is a very deadly bullet.

    http://catalog.use.kiev.ua/index.php?action=setLang&lang=ukr&page=catalog&search_val=&view=product&id=727&cat_id=67&eid=

    Lugansk/Donetsk have factories to build and repair tanks..  and there is something wonderful
    called EVIDENCE of it.. A VICE report visit the factory and shows they repairing the Ukrainians
    Captured tanks.. If they can make tanks and APCs and a bullet will be nothing..  There is apparently also industry in donetsk to build anti tank missiles..or some parts of it.. but this is not confirmed yet..  the soviet military industry specially the one based in ARmy had  industries in Donetsk and Kharkiv. Ukraine got those industries for free after their declared independence and Russia accepted it.. figure that..  They now call terrorist the people that are demanding
    independence too as kiev in the 90s did.


    It doesn't seem Ukraine's military advanced much if at all after 1991. Still have the basic Su-27 and S300 versions. No Metis M. No Kornet.
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    Post  BKP on Thu May 14, 2015 2:15 am

    Interesting development today. I'm surprised no one posted in regard to it yet.

    Kerry met in Sochi with Lavrov today, and later with putin. Discussions were pretty lengthy. There were some statements that are interesting firsts. No guarantee they will lead to anything, of course, but...

    Kerry urges Poroshenko to ‘think twice’ about reigniting Ukraine conflict
    Published time: May 12, 2015 17:54

    US Secretary of State John Kerry has warned Petro Poroshenko against inciting any new hostilities after the Ukrainian president vowed to win back Donetsk Airport. Kerry was in Sochi for high level talks with President Vladimir Putin and Sergey Lavrov.

    "If indeed President Poroshenko is advocating a forceful engagement at this time, we would strongly urge him to think twice not to engage in this kind of activity,” Kerry said during a joint press conference with Lavrov in the southern Russian city...

    http://rt.com/news/257953-lavrov-kerry-sochi-talks/

    Apparently Nuland was there too (!), according to the Saker. Saker feels the discussions and following statements by Kerry are possibly very significant. He speculates that the US could be looking for a face-saving way out of this situation, or to deescalate.

    Note:


    • First time he US government has publicly upheld Minsk 2 as the way forward, even though it was not a party to its negotiation.

    • First time the US government has warned Kiev against beligerence

    • Lavrov gave Kerry a 70th Anniversary Victory Day commemorative T-shirt. LOL cheers


    Yet another huge diplomatic victory for Russia

    May 13, 2015

    Unless you read Russian or monitor the free blogosphere, you might not have noticed this, but something big just happened in Russia: Kerry, Nuland and a large State Department delegation have traveled to Sochi were they met with Foreign Minister Lavrov and then with President Putin.  With the latter they spent over 4 hours.  Not only that, but Kerry made a few rather interesting remarks, saying that the Minsk-2 Agreement (M2A) was the only way forward and that he would strongly caution Poroshenko against the idea of renewing military operations.

    To say that this is a stunning development would be an understatement...

    http://thesaker.is/yet-another-huge-diplomatic-victory-for-russia/


    Yay, I can post links now without chopping 'em up.
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    Post  Neutrality on Thu May 14, 2015 2:25 am

    BKP wrote:Interesting development today. I'm surprised no one posted in regard to it yet.
    Kerry met in Sochi with Lavrov today, and later with putin. Discussions were pretty lengthy. There were some statements that are interesting firsts. No guarantee they will lead to anything, of course, but...

    I did already, 2-3 pages back. And at least RUnet agrees that Kerry dumped Ukraine.
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    Post  BKP on Thu May 14, 2015 2:32 am

    Neutrality wrote:
    BKP wrote:Interesting development today. I'm surprised no one posted in regard to it yet.
    Kerry met in Sochi with Lavrov today, and later with putin. Discussions were pretty lengthy. There were some statements that are interesting firsts. No guarantee they will lead to anything, of course, but...

    I did already, 2-3 pages back. And at least RUnet agrees that Kerry dumped Ukraine.

    Ooops! I missed it. On top of it, getting that post up was a rolling disaster. cry

    Well, nevertheless, the plot thickens. Next days might be interesting.
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    Post  auslander on Thu May 14, 2015 5:01 am

    Apparently Mr. Poroshenko has yet to get the memo. Real time commo with Gorlovka, Novoasovsk and an area in Donetsk City Proper is the shelling again was all night. Contact with Gorlovka is through a secondary source, primary source is a casualty of the bombardments.

    Regardless of what Mr. Kerry, Mrs. Nuland and Saker (whom I have the deepest respect for) say the UAF is still attacking and still pulling up more troops and equipment to the lines in clear violation of the Minsk agreements. Civilian and NAF casualties are mounting as these bombardments and recon in force continue.

    When the US flag comes down from CIA HQ in Kiev, the US advisors leave the NAF area and the US 'instructors' leave Ukraine, then I'll believe US et al have folded their hand. Until then it's game on as usual.
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    Post  alexZam on Thu May 14, 2015 5:12 am

    GTA. Donetsk edition.

    Donetsk looks green and clean. Those ebil ebil pro-Russki terrorists keeping it nice and sunny. At gun point, certainly. Such a cynicism!


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