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    Military Decoys

    Post  GarryB on Wed Dec 31, 2014 4:19 am

    AFAIK they have metal suspended in the material so it shows up on radar as a flat metal surface, so it should fool radar.

    The Russians are the real masters at this sort of thing and include gas powered burners positioned where the engines should be so the IR signature makes it look real too... showing heat from the engine area...


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    Patria AMV with a BMP-3

    Post  d_taddei2 on Fri Apr 10, 2015 2:30 am

    just for peoples info, here is a pic of a Patria AMV with a BMP-3, these Patria have had the length extended by 0.4m to accomodate the BMP-3 anre are in use with UAE who also use the BMP-3 AFV, i think this is a pretty good idea, there AFV's and Wheeled APC's both using the same calibre's.





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    Film from artilley strike target area

    Post  VeeTee on Sat Apr 25, 2015 4:49 pm

    Sorry if this is here already, I didn't spot it with my tired eyes at least..

    From the video description:
    Battery of Finnish Army field artillery cannons model 130 K 54 fire into the target area where the cameras are waiting. Filmed during Army firing exercise in Rovajärvi, Lapland.

    Kuvauksen johto/editointi/editor: Jaakko Ala-Hiiro
    Ohjaus/director: Irma Nyfors
    Äänitys/äänieditointi/sound engineer: Mikko Tontti



    Not like in the movies, but wouldn't want to be there!

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    Post  cheesfactory on Sat Apr 25, 2015 6:04 pm

    Great realistic video!
    I have now a bad trip/flashback, but still --> +1 Laughing
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    Post  Bolt on Sun Apr 26, 2015 11:43 am

    Thank you for the clip. It's actually quite scary - at first everything is silent, and then a mini portal to hell opens directly to your face.
    I've never been under artillery fire (hopefully never will be), but after watching several videos from Donbas area, I had an impression you could actually hear an incoming round - at least, the mortar shells. And here there's no indication that several kilos of HE will hit your area in a second or two.


    By the way, here's a somewhat similar video of how it feels to be at the receiving end of a MG-42.

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    Post  VeeTee on Sun Apr 26, 2015 12:12 pm

    (I think) most artillery rounds are supersonic, so it's usually game over without warning. The ones that miss you you might hear - after they've passed you. Mortar rounds make more sound in the air, I think, but only for a split second before the boom. When facing artillery, you need to be properly dug in or constantly on the move. I have actually witnessed a mortar target area during firing from pretty far away, but I don't remember hearing any sound.

    That MG video was pretty cool, almost made me want to hit the ground and take cover. Almost shouted at the guy when he started demonstrating changing the barrel, too. I thought it was after the firing, so it would be scorching hot Laughing
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    Post  collegeboy16 on Sun Apr 26, 2015 12:25 pm

    VeeTee wrote:Sorry if this is here already, I didn't spot it with my tired eyes at least..

    From the video description:
    Battery of Finnish Army field artillery cannons model 130 K 54 fire into the target area where the cameras are waiting. Filmed during Army firing exercise in Rovajärvi, Lapland.

    Kuvauksen johto/editointi/editor: Jaakko Ala-Hiiro
    Ohjaus/director: Irma Nyfors
    Äänitys/äänieditointi/sound engineer: Mikko Tontti



    Not like in the movies, but wouldn't want to be there!
    i frickin flinched in my seat. affraid
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    Bigger not always better

    Post  Khepesh on Mon Apr 27, 2015 4:05 pm

    Okay, just a one off photo to show that smaller is better in this case, and this is not sort of juxtaposition of tanks seen everyday. Yep, T-72 is a generation ahead of Conqueror, but interesting to see them side by side with the smaller being better, except leg room, in all respects. They have hammocks in Conqueror turret? ballroom, cinema?....
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    Post  Werewolf on Mon Apr 27, 2015 4:35 pm

    The fact alone speaks for itself that most rounds hit any tank at turret, that comes from FCS and that a smaller object like T-72 at tank engagement ranges would had much lower chances to be hit than a bigger tank.

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    Post  kvs on Tue Apr 28, 2015 2:57 am

    I suspect the T-14 turret can survive direct hits and still be functional even after penetration. The space used for
    the crew can be used creatively for additional layers to intercept any fragments that do penetrate the outer
    shell. And the outer shell can be much more robust due it having to cover a much smaller volume.

    With the above considerations the T-14 can be taller giving more room for the crew compartment and the
    shell/powder carousel.
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    Post  Werewolf on Tue Apr 28, 2015 3:19 am

    I'm still awaiting information about the cook off solution. Will the hatch that enters the turret and carousel be the blow off panel or are the blow off panels located somewhere else, they certainly must have a solution to that.
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    Post  kvs on Tue Apr 28, 2015 3:35 am

    Werewolf wrote:I'm still awaiting information about the cook off solution. Will the hatch that enters the turret and carousel be the blow off panel or are the blow off panels located somewhere else, they certainly must have a solution to that.

    Having the blow off hatch(es) in the turret is the best solution. It gives access and at the same time relieves the explosive stress
    to protect the crew compartment. Having them at the sides is not feasible and none are evident. Having one at the bottom puts
    the tank at extra risk from mine detonations. It will be hard to directly hit the hatch on the turret just like the existing turret
    hatches.

    There must have been field tests of this aspect. Probably for the first time since they would write the tank and the crew off in such
    cases in the past. The T-14 is innovative in many ways.
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    Post  VeeTee on Tue Apr 28, 2015 7:32 am

    Somehow I feel the conqueror would not have fared well in urban combat. But it's obviously not designed for that anyway. I think it was designed to go against IS-3s, which also are smaller.
    T-14s and the whole Armata system will be really interesting in many ways.
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    Post  Werewolf on Tue Apr 28, 2015 10:15 am

    kvs wrote:
    Werewolf wrote:I'm still awaiting information about the cook off solution. Will the hatch that enters the turret and carousel be the blow off panel or are the blow off panels located somewhere else, they certainly must have a solution to that.

    Having the blow off hatch(es) in the turret is the best solution.  It gives access and at the same time relieves the explosive stress
    to protect the crew compartment.  Having them at the sides is not feasible and none are evident.  Having one at the bottom puts
    the tank at extra risk from mine detonations.    It will be hard to directly hit the hatch on the turret just like the existing turret
    hatches.

    There must have been field tests of this aspect.  Probably for the first time since they would write the tank and the crew off in such
    cases in the past.  The T-14 is innovative in many ways.

    That is also my guess, but somehow i would prefer an enclosed carousel that has redirected blow off panels so the equipment in the turret does not get damaged, so after cook off's that the tank can be repaired easily and cost effecient by throwing out burned bend carousel and autoloader mechanism and then put back the turret on it.
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    Post  GarryB on Tue Apr 28, 2015 1:40 pm

    I suspect the ammo will be protected but if the worst case scenario happens and all the propellent goes up at once even if the turret is blown up into the air and lands a few metres from the tank the crew wont be effected... just as they arent effected by propellent burnt when the main gun fires.

    A propellent explosion does not have the raw energy of a HE explosion so turrets might be blown off but the hull is unlikely to be shattered like it would if a whole load of HE rounds detonates.

    HE rounds need a detonation to function as explosives... otherwise it will burn much slower than propellent will burn.

    It is possible that new propellent using electricity to enhance its performance could be made rather less sensitive to fire, which means a very energetic reaction when firing projectiles down the barrel but a rather less energetic reaction if it catches fire in the vehicle or in an ammo dump.

    the whole point of an unmanned turret is to separate the crew from the ammo and fuel... I doubt they would neglect precautions regarding fuel and ammo fires.

    the quickest solution to a damaged turret would be replacement... in fact based on the comments about moving the engine rather than having front and rear engined hulls suggests any damage to the turret would lead to replacement of a range of turret types... while the damaged turret is replaced or stripped of useful parts and components for other repairs.


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    Non-Russian military multimedia and discussion thread:

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    Post  Mike E on Fri May 01, 2015 5:47 am

    Chinese love? Sure you don't mean American love? 


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    Post  collegeboy16 on Fri May 01, 2015 7:57 am

    ^ERA?
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    Post  TR1 on Fri May 01, 2015 8:11 am

    Booty aside, the Sherman was absurdly tall.
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    Post  Werewolf on Fri May 01, 2015 12:35 pm

    One of the rare RF Squadron AH-64D with AMASE pods with additional flares and MAWS.



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    AH-1Z cockpit


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    Post  magnumcromagnon on Fri May 01, 2015 2:34 pm

    Werewolf wrote:One of the rare RF Squadron AH-64D with AMASE pods with additional flares and MAWS.

    To be honest, virtually all CAS aircraft should have MAWS as a standard suite, IMO. It's a small expense compared to losing an entire aircraft, and the Apache is a excellent aircraft but one of it's major flaws was the lack of defensive measures implemented in it's design (especially the non-existence of BP glass).
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    Post  Werewolf on Fri May 01, 2015 2:47 pm

    magnumcromagnon wrote:
    Werewolf wrote:One of the rare RF Squadron AH-64D with AMASE pods with additional flares and MAWS.

    To be honest, virtually all CAS aircraft should have MAWS as a standard suite, IMO. It's a small expense compared to losing an entire aircraft, and the Apache is a excellent aircraft but one of it's major flaws was the lack of defensive measures implemented in it's design (especially the non-existence of BP glass).


    I aggree but the some decision makers rather let the money flow in other budgets or their pockets.
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    Post  Cyberspec on Sat May 02, 2015 12:03 am

    Zivo wrote:

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