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    CX-1 ASCM Missile Systems

    Post  nemrod on Thu Apr 30, 2015 8:43 pm


    CX-1 cruise missile better than BrahMos ?



    A copy or not ? Seeing the similiraties with the SSN-X-26 -Brahmos-,  and the chinese tradition to copy russian/soviet hardwares, I have no doubt. This is my P.O.V.. If you have any other clues to prove me the contrary, please do not hesitate, but I doubt you could provide me enough fair proofs. Nevertheless, with this new hardware, the US Navy's position will be more and more perillous. They maybe could  -could, does not necessary mean they will-intercep any subsonic cruise missiles, -with for example Phalanx, or other aam 120 c sidewinder-but a supersonic missile it is near impossible. The Brahmos is nowadays, the best cruise missile in the world. As the Chaoxun-1 is clearly intented to be exported to the world wide, with the  proliferation of such powerfull missiles,  it is not good news for America as  US  Navy's future is clearly jeopartized.
    It is noteworthy to add that the successor of the Brahmos, the Brahmos II, with speed reaching Mach 7, it will be the definitive end to US Navy.



    http://www.wantchinatimes.com/news-subclass-cnt.aspx?id=20141120000089&cid=1101

    CX-1 cruise missile better than BrahMos, not a copy: report

    After China's CX-1 supersonic cruise missile, displayed at the recent Zhuhai Airshow, was noted to resemble India's BrahMos missile, the Beijing-based Sina Military Network undertook a comparison between the Chinese and Indian missiles on Nov. 18.

    The Chaoxun-1 missile designed by China Aerospace Science and Technology Corporation has earned the nickname Cahoxi 1 ("Copy 1" in English) because of its uncanny similarity to the BrahMos missile jointly developed by Russia and India. However, Wang Hongpo, the chief designer of the missile, said the CX-1 is a completely new design. Wang said it has different wings, aerodynamic guidance and jet vane.

    Under the restrictions of the Missile Technology Control Regime, the attacking range of cruise missiles like the CX-1 and BrahMos can not exceed 300 kilometers. Wang said this is the main reason the CX-1 shares many similar characteristics with the BrahMos. Sina Military Network noted that the CX-1 flies faster than the Indian missile. It is capable of reaching a speed of Mach 3 at 17,000 meters, whereas the BrahMos can only reach Mach 2.6 at an altitude of 14,000 meters.

    Launched against targets in low altitude, the speed of the CX-1 is Mach 2.3., while the Russian-built P-800 Oniks on which the BrahMos is designed can only reach Mach 2. Sina Military Network said the CX-1's ramjet engine may be better than the solid rocket motor of the P-800. However, it pointed out that the attack range of CX-1 can be reduced to 40 kilometers at low trajectories while the Russian missile can travel 120 kilometers.

    Since the BrahMos is designed to conduct attacks below an altitude of 500 meters, the Sina Military Network said the Indian missile is unsuitable for actual combat situations. Though India plans to produce 2,000 BrahMos, only 200 of them have been produced, the report said, adding that the proof of the CX-1's superiority will rest in how many nations wish to purchase it.

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    Re: CX-1 ASCM Missile Systems

    Post  max steel on Thu Apr 30, 2015 9:27 pm

    Take Want China Times with grain of salt . Cool

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    Re: CX-1 ASCM Missile Systems

    Post  GarryB on Sat May 02, 2015 9:57 am

    The Chinese have Yakhont, so I suspect this is their version.

    Talk of range restrictions of the Missile Technology Control Regime proves it is an export missile... a domestic Chinese missile would not be restricted by the MTCR.

    Launched against targets in low altitude, the speed of the CX-1 is Mach 2.3., while the Russian-built P-800 Oniks on which the BrahMos is designed can only reach Mach 2. Sina Military Network said the CX-1's ramjet engine may be better than the solid rocket motor of the P-800. However, it pointed out that the attack range of CX-1 can be reduced to 40 kilometers at low trajectories while the Russian missile can travel 120 kilometers.

    120km range is the range for Moskit... SS-N-22, which has a maximum flight altitude of about 300m and a normal flight altitude of less than 5 metres. Upgraded Moskits manage 250km ranges easily.

    Onyx is reported to have a range of 500km... Brahmos is based on the MTCR restricted Yakhont, not the Onyx which have no range or warhead restrictions.

    Since the BrahMos is designed to conduct attacks below an altitude of 500 meters, the Sina Military Network said the Indian missile is unsuitable for actual combat situations.


    High altitude missiles can be detected and engaged at high altitudes... being able to fly at low altitudes is an advantage... not a weakness.



    the main difference is the nose... and the article mentions the Chinese missile is superior as it uses a ramjet instead of the rocket motor the Russian missile uses... except under the nose fairing for carrying the missile on an aircraft is the same nose mounted MiG-21 like intake for a ramjet motor...

    Both missiles likely use the same rocket ramjet propulsion because they are the same missile.


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    Re: CX-1 ASCM Missile Systems

    Post  type055 on Mon May 11, 2015 11:48 am

    as I konw, China never get Yakhont,

    there was competition of antiship missile. the winner is YJ-18,loser is this one CX-1, CX-1 is just for export (follwed the MTCR)

    CX-1 is easy to detected , It fly very high with big infrared signal ,making itself a big target , the ship has modern air-defense missile can easily defend it.

    CX-1 also has shorter range than YJ-18

    CX-1 is useful to attack ship with no Aegis system.




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    Re: CX-1 ASCM Missile Systems

    Post  Vladimir79 on Mon May 11, 2015 11:51 am

    If it was better, they would be exporting it.


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    Re: CX-1 ASCM Missile Systems

    Post  nemrod on Sat Jun 13, 2015 12:00 am

    Vladimir79 wrote:If it was better, they would be exporting it.
    The purpose of this missile is the export, and Iran, North Korea would be its destination

    type055 wrote:as I konw, China never get Yakhont,
    China was provided by Yakhont when USSR collapsed, the origin must be Ukraine.

    type055 wrote:
    CX-1 is useful to attack  ship with no Aegis system.

    I've never seen an US system really miraculous, if theyr are just only with their hype. If a think is sure, with or without AEGIS the CX-01 can sink every ship.

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