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    Re: China build artificial islands in South China Sea

    Post  medo on Sun Nov 01, 2015 1:15 pm



    Newest picture of Miscief islands, traces of future runway and taxiway could be seen now.





    Few pictures from Woody Island in Paracels.

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    Re: China build artificial islands in South China Sea

    Post  max steel on Sun Nov 01, 2015 9:08 pm

    China loses round one in Philippines dispute over islands

    China’s island building lacks strategic logic



    US move in South China Sea pitches Beijing into uncharted waters



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    Re: China build artificial islands in South China Sea

    Post  max steel on Fri Nov 13, 2015 12:16 am

    US Flies B-52 Bomber Near China Islands



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    Re: China build artificial islands in South China Sea

    Post  medo on Wed Dec 16, 2015 7:27 pm



    Building of air base on Mischief.

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    Re: China build artificial islands in South China Sea

    Post  sepheronx on Wed Dec 16, 2015 7:49 pm

    Guess China did learn a thing or two on the Battlefield 1942 map wake island.

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    Re: China build artificial islands in South China Sea

    Post  Werewolf on Wed Dec 16, 2015 10:49 pm

    Why do they build such shaped artificial islands? Do they have a specific purpose due their shape or advantages?

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    Re: China build artificial islands in South China Sea

    Post  GarryB on Thu Dec 17, 2015 10:46 am

    The sort of horseshoe shape means the harbour is sheltered from waves in bad weather.

    Ships can sail into the harbour area and be protected from sea waves and moor in a protected area.

    It also means you have a fairly narrow gap to monitor or protect from torpedoes or intruding submarines.


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    Re: China build artificial islands in South China Sea

    Post  medo on Thu Dec 17, 2015 4:37 pm

    Werewolf wrote:Why do they build such shaped artificial islands? Do they have a specific purpose due their shape or advantages?

    They follow the shape of underwater reef on which they build artificial island. Those big islands will host both air base with 3 km long runway and naval base for ships and subs.

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    Re: China build artificial islands in South China Sea

    Post  Werewolf on Thu Dec 17, 2015 6:56 pm

    Thanks medo and GarryB.

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    Re: China build artificial islands in South China Sea

    Post  flamming_python on Fri Dec 18, 2015 12:11 am

    I still maintain they just copied the shape from a popular computer game. You know, being geeky Asians and all that..

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    Re: China build artificial islands in South China Sea

    Post  GarryB on Sat Dec 19, 2015 8:55 am

    That might have influenced their plans of course... Twisted Evil

    I used to enjoy playing both sides of the standard Battlefield 2 game... both US and either Chinese, or Spetsnaz, or Arab armed forces. I found the British and French weapons a little boring...

    It actually reminded me of the fun I used to have with Operation Flashpoint... I might reinstall it and have a game.... attack


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    Re: China build artificial islands in South China Sea

    Post  Solncepek on Sat Dec 19, 2015 9:21 am

    China Calls US Bomber Flypast Near Spratly Islands 'Military Provocation'; Pentagon Says It Was ...
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    China calls US bomber flypast near Spratly islands 'military provocation'; Pentagon says it was 'unintentional'

    By Mugdha Variyar
    Updated: December 19, 2015 10:57 IST

    China sent out a stern message to the United States after an American B52 bomber flew close to the Spratly islands last week, that China claims is its territory in the South China Sea.

    US officials said that the bomber had 'unintentionally' come within two nautical miles of an artificial island built by China in the South China Sea.

    The incident reportedly occurred on 10 December, and China claims that two B52 bombers had entered the airspace near the reef.

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    "US's behaviors are serious military provocations that harm regional peace and stability. China urges US to prevent such hazardous actions, saying it will take all necessary measures to defend national sovereignty and security," the Chinese Defence Ministry said, according to CCTV News.

    Read more: http://www.ibtimes.co.in/china-calls-us-bomber-flypast-near-spratly-islands-military-provocation-pentagon-says-it-was-660174

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    Re: China build artificial islands in South China Sea

    Post  OminousSpudd on Sat Dec 19, 2015 11:37 am

    Why is it someone has to die before Americans learn anything...

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    Re: China build artificial islands in South China Sea

    Post  medo on Thu Jan 07, 2016 7:35 pm



    Big newer picture of Fiery Cross island.





    Pictures of Mischief from this year. Building of air base is going well.

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    Re: China build artificial islands in South China Sea

    Post  GarryB on Fri Jan 08, 2016 12:13 am

    Looking at these islands has made me think this could be a very important technology the Chinese are getting lots of experience with.

    If we do have a future period where the sea levels rise a significant amount this sort of "land creation" technology will become very valuable to the small island nations in the Pacific that might otherwise disappear. Equally low lying land near existing ports could be protected and saved by using these sorts of capabilities... not cheap... but some coastal land is the most expensive in the world so therefore possibly worth it.


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    Re: China build artificial islands in South China Sea

    Post  max steel on Sun Jan 10, 2016 7:03 pm

    The B-52J would use stand-off weapons from outside the range of the S-400s. Still, it would be nice to have long-range, stealthy LRS-Bs, if they can really be produced at $500 million each.


    With sea levels rising daily I wonder how long these Chinese man-made islands will remain above water? Did China factor climate change and rising sea levels into their SCS strategy? Or have they overreached in their attempts to establish hegemony over this body of water? One good storm could erase all of China's hard work in an afternoon. These (below) and other Chinese journals are beginning to sound the alarm about rising sea levels in the South China sea.

    http://www2.ouc.edu.cn/xbywb/english/index.asp

    http://www.jto.ac.cn/CN/volumn/current.shtml

    It is helpful to recall that these bases China has established are built on atolls and sandbars that are merely a few inches or feet above sea level at high tide.

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    Re: China build artificial islands in South China Sea

    Post  x_54_u43 on Sun Jan 10, 2016 7:25 pm

    max steel wrote:

    With sea levels rising daily I wonder how long these Chinese man-made islands will remain above water? Did China factor climate change and rising sea levels into their SCS strategy? Or have they overreached in their attempts to establish hegemony over this body of water? One good storm could erase all of China's hard work in an afternoon. These (below) and other Chinese journals are beginning to sound the alarm about rising sea levels in the South China sea.

    http://www2.ouc.edu.cn/xbywb/english/index.asp

    http://www.jto.ac.cn/CN/volumn/current.shtml

    It is helpful to recall that these bases China has established are built on atolls and sandbars that are merely a few inches or feet above sea level at high tide.

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    Link to the KeyPub thread.

    http://forum.keypublishing.com/showthread.php?116737-PLAN-News-Thread-4/page23

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    Re: China build artificial islands in South China Sea

    Post  GarryB on Mon Jan 11, 2016 4:53 am

    Ummm... the fact that they raised these islands from being pieces of land below sea level into pieces of land above sea level suggests if there is a storm they will be able to fix it.

    In fact the fact that they built them up already suggests they could do it again... the fact that they are not building mountains is likely because they don't have to.

    More importantly as I pointed out in a previous post it actually offers hope to plenty of Pacific Islanders whose home islands are threatened by sea rises... the Chinese clearly have the technology to create islands and lagoons... there was a question above about the horseshoe nature of these harbours which suggests they could build effective and useful harbours for existing island nations and to also greatly increase the available land area of island nations in danger of disappearing.

    The dredging equipment could be used to dig up material near the island needing help and all the rocky material piled up to make lots of elevation for the locals.

    Hell they could sift through the material before they pile it up as land... there might be gold or minerals in there that are useful or valuable...


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    Re: China build artificial islands in South China Sea

    Post  max steel on Mon Jan 11, 2016 5:26 am

    @X_Ukie53: Keep crying. You're unable to find my B-52 comment
    from your forums? I'm surprised. lol1

    @Garry : Thanks and what about US B-52J bombers or B-2 firing stand off weapons from outside the range of S-400? And in coming years if they managed to make Long Range Strike Bomber then it will deliver both tactical nukes and standoff weapons from outside the range of Chinese air defense systems.So, how exactly is China supposed to defend its territories if they can hit wothout even coming in range.


    I'm asking for Chinese not Russia because russia doesn't use export models that's why they must have covered the range of bombers coming from several places(scenario).

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    Post  Tyloe on Mon Jan 11, 2016 12:58 pm

    max steel wrote:@X_Ukie53: Keep crying. You're unable to find my B-52 comment
    from your forums? I'm surprised. lol1

    @Garry : Thanks and what about US B-52J bombers or B-2 firing stand off weapons from outside the range of S-400? And in coming years if they managed to make Long Range Strike Bomber then it will deliver both tactical nukes and standoff weapons from outside the range of Chinese air defense systems.So, how exactly is China supposed to defend its territories if they can hit wothout even coming in range.


    I'm asking for Chinese not Russia because russia doesn't use export models that's why they must have covered the range of bombers coming from several places(scenario).

    Missile defence of PLAN assets in the region would fall in the AAW mission of the South Sea Fleet and in such an environment, responsible for tracking and engaging such airborne threats. ASMs and SRBMs will face being tracked and intercepted by PLAN DDGs and CGs as the outer layer of the AD network with HHQ-9s while FFGs host the inner layer with the HQ-16 for those that penetrated far. In the coming decade, the PLANSF takes the full burden of air and ballistic defence of the SCS before a fully operational PLAN carrier emerges. As such with at least one active CSG, and depending how active operations on the islands will be, the PLANAF will play the second half of A2/AD fully with a credible presence of AEW&Cs and fighters as deterrence against such strategic targets like bombers.

    As Beijing prioritises the SCS, it's also why DDGs, FGGs, and future CG numbers are largely commissioned to the SS Fleet compared to the East and North.

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    Re: China build artificial islands in South China Sea

    Post  max steel on Mon Jan 11, 2016 1:24 pm

    Tyloe wrote:
    max steel wrote:
    @Garry : Thanks and what about US B-52J bombers or B-2 firing stand off weapons from outside the range of S-400? And in coming years if they managed to make Long Range Strike Bomber then it will deliver both tactical nukes and standoff weapons from outside the range of Chinese air defense systems.So, how exactly is China supposed to defend its territories if they can hit wothout even coming in range.


    I'm asking for Chinese not Russia because russia doesn't use export models that's why they must have covered the range of bombers coming from several places(scenario).

    Missile defence of PLAN assets in the region would fall in the AAW mission of the South Sea Fleet and in such an environment, responsible for tracking and engaging such airborne threats. ASMs and SRBMs will face being tracked and intercepted by PLAN DDGs and CGs as the outer layer of the AD network with HHQ-9s while FFGs host the inner layer with the HQ-16 for those that penetrated far. In the coming decade, the PLANSF takes the full burden of air and ballistic defence of the SCS before a fully operational PLAN carrier emerges. As such with at least one active CSG, and depending how active operations on the islands will be, the PLANAF will play the second half of A2/AD fully with a credible presence of AEW&Cs and fighters as deterrence against such strategic targets like bombers.

    As Beijing prioritises the SCS, it's also why DDGs, FGGs, and future CG numbers are largely commissioned to the SS Fleet compared to the East and North.


    Thanks and what about HQ-9 , HHQ-9 effectiveness. Never heard much about Chinese SAM's efficiency though , they got a deal with Turkey and that too ended with Turkey cancelling it. HQ-16 ? Enlighten me more about it.

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    Post  Tyloe on Mon Jan 11, 2016 2:54 pm

    max steel wrote:Thanks and what about HQ-9 , HHQ-9 effectiveness. Never heard much about Chinese SAM's efficiency though , they got a deal with Turkey and that too ended with Turkey cancelling it. HQ-16 ? Enlighten me more about it.

    That's because the Chinese aren't really known to be transplant on areas like missle development and their defence industry as a whole. Although seeing HQ-9 is the main land based and long range naval SAM in service, the performance at least satisfies the the needs of the PLA. Expect newer variants to improve on the original system. The base variant of the HQ-19 has a horizon range of around 150km which complements the cold and universal launched VLS of the Type 052C and 052D.

    Turkey canceled the deal with ToT due to NATO pressure and closed international bids to independently take an indegenious design instead.

    HQ-16 is a third-gen medium range SAM with active radar guidence and similiar performance to BUK. According to which offical source you're reading, the naval variant has a range of 30-40km reaching Mach 3. GlobalSecurity is somewhat accurate stating for the ground based HQ-16 with altitudes from 10-6000 meters, single hit probability 0.7-0.98, reaction time 5-8 seconds, 2.9 m long missile, projectile diameter 0.232 m, and weighs 165 kg, warhead weight of 17 kg, the maximum flight speed of Mach 2.8.

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    Re: China build artificial islands in South China Sea

    Post  max steel on Mon Jan 11, 2016 3:30 pm

    I prefer AusAirPower even SOC's blog.Any news on F-2000?

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    Re: China build artificial islands in South China Sea

    Post  medo on Mon Jan 11, 2016 5:37 pm





    Comparing the sizes of islands and the length of the runways on the islands.

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    Post  x_54_u43 on Tue Jan 12, 2016 12:13 am

    max steel wrote:@X_Ukie53: Keep crying. You're unable to find my B-52 comment
    from your forums? I'm surprised. lol1


    Your B-52 comment is your own addition, why do you think I did not include it my quote from you?

    The rest of your comment is completely copied from Roovialk. It is not the first you have done it either.


    Rest assured that I will not be crying, instead I will be laughing at you over how low your intelligence must be, to not even be able to analyse and form your own answers to the questions you mindlessly copy to other forums, hoping someone will answer them for you.

    Make sure to not stay up beyond your bedtime.

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