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    Re: China build artificial islands in South China Sea

    Post  Tyloe on Sat May 23, 2015 12:39 am

    Once a regiment of J-11 type aircraft is stationed there, these P-8 patrols will stop unless the clowns in Washington aren't afraid of being intercepted.

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    Re: China build artificial islands in South China Sea

    Post  medo on Sat May 23, 2015 2:11 pm





    I would say J-16 will be better suited than J-11, as J-16 is full multirole fighter with IFR, 12t weapon load, AESA radar, C4ISR, anti ship capabilities, etc. They claim J-16 is better than F-15E and Chinese Su-30MKK/MKK2. No doubt, J-16 regiments together with AWACS planes, strong air defense batteries in IADS on islands and presence of destroyers and frigates will make defense of those strategically important Chinese islands very hard nut ever for US, although in the west are claims, that those Chinese islands will be target practice for US.

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    Re: China build artificial islands in South China Sea

    Post  sepheronx on Sat May 23, 2015 2:18 pm

    I keep hearing about AESA radar and what not. But there has been no indication as to its existence or such. Can anyone please provide some actual hard data?

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    Re: China build artificial islands in South China Sea

    Post  medo on Sat May 23, 2015 3:07 pm

    Not much is known about chinese AESA radars, but I don't think it will be as capable as Irbis in Su-35. I think J-16 will have similar capabilities as Su-30SM, except Su-30SM have TVC and J-16 doesn't.

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    Re: China build artificial islands in South China Sea

    Post  max steel on Sat May 23, 2015 3:51 pm




    chinese aesa for research , testing and teaching of advanced radar system and signal processing technology . Can't find jf-17 radars

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    Re: China build artificial islands in South China Sea

    Post  medo on Sat May 23, 2015 4:05 pm

    If someone could translate text on the picture.

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    Re: China build artificial islands in South China Sea

    Post  max steel on Sat May 23, 2015 4:51 pm

    medo wrote:If someone could translate text on the picture.

    translation : The system‘s key features include a multi-channel active phased array with three operation modes of TWS、TAS and STT。With digital beam forming ability,the system can be applied to the technical studies of DBF、STAP、SAR and adaptive anti jamming。


    J-10 has aesa radar .



    China is developing A2A missiles with built-in AESA radars with one of the designs as shown below :



    AESA radar held within the nose of the missile

    So I guess it is rather a small matter having AESA for future JF-17s .

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    Re: China build artificial islands in South China Sea

    Post  medo on Sun May 24, 2015 3:03 am

    Thank you, what about those numbers in text? 300, 832, 200, 12? I guess weight 300 kg, 832 elements, 200 km range, tracking 12 targets, but I could be wrong.

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    Re: China build artificial islands in South China Sea

    Post  medo on Mon May 25, 2015 3:00 pm



    New picture of Mischief reef. Building of Island is going quite fast as this will be the largest of them.

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    Re: China build artificial islands in South China Sea

    Post  Werewolf on Mon May 25, 2015 4:37 pm

    Russia should do the same and place ABM shields there to counter US nukes which come over north pole, but that is unlikely...

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    Re: China build artificial islands in South China Sea

    Post  max steel on Mon May 25, 2015 5:14 pm

    Werewolf wrote:Russia should do the same and place ABM shields there to counter US nukes which come over north pole, but that is unlikely...

    Well they can . Russia can construct such unsinkable aircraft carrier in its own Artic teritory near north pole . place those air defense system there with offensive weapons to protect it from any foreign attack and bingo US nukes advantage will further sabotage . Then they will cry out loud for more abm shields in south korean and east europe .

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    Re: China build artificial islands in South China Sea

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    Re: China build artificial islands in South China Sea

    Post  type055 on Mon May 25, 2015 7:57 pm

    max steel wrote:


    chinese aesa for research , testing and teaching of advanced radar system and signal processing technology . Can't find jf-17 radars



    this one is for missile,

    antenna diameter ,300 mm ,832 elements ,12 channels,per unit transmitted power 200 mW,

    with TWS (Track-while-scan),TAS (Tracking And Searching ),STT(Single Target Track),DBF(Digital Beam Forming)STAP(Space-Time Adaptive Processing)SAR(Synthetic Aperture Radar) and anti jaming  capacity


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    Re: China build artificial islands in South China Sea

    Post  higurashihougi on Mon May 25, 2015 9:13 pm

    Can I ask for some translation Very Happy

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    Re: China build artificial islands in South China Sea

    Post  type055 on Mon May 25, 2015 11:35 pm

    higurashihougi wrote:Can I ask for some translation Very Happy


    for what?I mean which part ?

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    Re: China build artificial islands in South China Sea

    Post  higurashihougi on Tue May 26, 2015 6:48 am

    type055 wrote:
    higurashihougi wrote:Can I ask for some translation Very Happy

    for what?I mean which part ?

    All. Idea

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    Re: China build artificial islands in South China Sea

    Post  max steel on Tue May 26, 2015 11:30 am

    higurashihougi wrote:
    type055 wrote:
    higurashihougi wrote:Can I ask for some translation Very Happy

    for what?I mean which part ?

    All. Idea


    Higure I've translated my picture text . Read my comments above .

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    Re: China build artificial islands in South China Sea

    Post  type055 on Wed May 27, 2015 1:56 am



    eh a lot of terminologys I do my best

    on this pic

    top one is J10B's rada indigenous 1.5 generation digital gallium arsenide (GaAs) T/R bla bla
    made by NRIET 12XX elements

    Middle is for J16 , indigenous 2 generation Digital Wavefront DDS special integrated circuit of beam steering ,GaAs T/R 1760 elements

    bottom is for J20 indigenous 3 generation GaAs digital GaAs T/R 8 channels 4 layer 3D-MCM tiles 1856 elements ( 2009 ’s status)

    poor English pwnd

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    Re: China build artificial islands in South China Sea

    Post  medo on Wed May 27, 2015 3:15 pm



    Runway in Fiery Cross Reef is almost finished.


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    Re: China build artificial islands in South China Sea

    Post  sepheronx on Wed May 27, 2015 4:42 pm

    type055 wrote:

    eh   a lot of terminologys   I  do my best

    on this pic

    top one is J10B's rada     indigenous 1.5 generation  digital  gallium arsenide (GaAs) T/R  bla bla
    made by NRIET  12XX elements

    Middle is for J16 , indigenous 2 generation  Digital Wavefront  DDS  special integrated circuit of beam steering ,GaAs T/R  1760 elements

    bottom is for J20 indigenous 3 generation   GaAs digital GaAs T/R   8 channels 4 layer 3D-MCM tiles  1856 elements ( 2009 ’s status)

    poor English pwnd

    Interesting, wonder about the performance. I know the J-16 should be enough to easily power such the radar as the engines will be more than enough. Recently it seems Russia has problems with powering their AESA radar T/R modules with the MiG's as they work at only 3-3.5W compared to the 5W they are supposed to, hurting performance, compared to the Sukhois who are showing quite the capabilities due to the high power of the engines.

    Thanks for the pic and info.

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    Re: China build artificial islands in South China Sea

    Post  higurashihougi on Thu May 28, 2015 9:24 pm

    @max steel, type 055: tks all. My vote(s) for all of these.

    Recently it seems Russia has problems with powering their AESA radar T/R modules with the MiG's as they work at only 3-3.5W compared to the 5W they are supposed to, hurting performance, compared to the Sukhois who are showing quite the capabilities due to the high power of the engines.

    After all MiG-29/35 is smaller and weaker than Su-27. But MiG is more field-ready, for example MiG air inhale enable it to use bad airfield and prevent bird strike.

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    Re: China build artificial islands in South China Sea

    Post  GarryB on Fri May 29, 2015 6:13 am

    AESA radars require a lot of power... most aircraft have auxiliary power units or APUs to run electronics on the ground, but use power from generators run via the engines during flight.

    Aircraft that don't have their own APUs are often plugged in to light vehicle trailers that supply power for heating and to run electronics and start engines.

    Clearly the AESA radars being used in the late model MiGs use rather more power than can be provided by the generators on their engines, which is not the end of the world... obviously an upgrade of the generators will fix that... not really a huge deal.

    Of course if the Chinese are introducing AESA radars they will come across the same problems with generators for the RD-93 engines they are buying from Russia...


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    Re: China build artificial islands in South China Sea

    Post  medo on Sat Jun 06, 2015 9:16 am



    New picture of Subi island from June. The main island is now outlined. They will for sure made few more smaller islands to complete the circle and to provide more entrances to the lagoon. Anyway, they could now start building 3 km long runway for the new airport.

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    Re: China build artificial islands in South China Sea

    Post  max steel on Sun Jun 07, 2015 4:58 am

    KEEPING AMERICAN PAID MEDIA PROPAGANDA AND SCARE MONGERING ASIDE .

    HAVE A LOOK AT SOUTH CHINA SEA AND EMBRACE THE TRUTH

    Look at those 5 Chinese artifical Islands made on reef . Aggression isn't it ? Now that's a lot of action. The Vietnamese have been easily the most aggressive in that region. hanibal barca let that sink in buddy . US nAVY IS EXPECTING WHAT EXACTLY BY SHIFTING IN pacific sea except China's Containment ? Peace Bitchez ? Laughing




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    Re: China build artificial islands in South China Sea

    Post  flamming_python on Sun Jun 07, 2015 5:43 am

    medo wrote:

    Looks like the Chinese have been playing the 'Wake Island' map from the Battlefield series.

    It's a very popular map (played the heck out of it in BF1942, probably my fav.) and has been featured in almost every Battlefield game, starting from the first one.



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