Fred333 wrote: KoTeMoRe wrote:
Fred333 wrote:not an easy site to moderate, for sure. that being said, I feel that lately it has been increasingly moderated to death, heavy moderation is really stifling the atmosphere there. maybe they should get in more mods to share the workload, because now it seems only 2-3 guys are doing all the work (of a total of around 10 official mods), and more often than not they are resorting to draconian measures for lack of time and patience, or at least it seems like that to me.
And the bias: well, it's there in the forum rules when you sign up...
It seems to me that a lot of people in this thread want a MP.net without the bias...why not band together and make it so then? Just assemble a good international crew, get some forum space somewhere, really try to keep it neutral, objective and non-nation centered. Should be possible, or?
There's nothing on the forum rules regarding Pro-Western leanings. That was a late addenda on MP.net, but so far there's nothing about that in the current format. As for creating a new forum...it's useless. See the MEss, they wanted to bank of the notoriety of MP.net and they failed. Forums are mostly cyclical. MP.net had its peak before the Ukrainian crisis, then it bubbled because of the Ukrainian crisis. Then you got the very big issue of astrotrufing. What could you do about that....I say nothing.
I am mostly a newcomer to the whole community, from around 2011 and the start of the Arab Spring, but you seem to have a long history there. Did the whole community become more pro-west and biased over time? When did the whole Pro-GWoT nonsense and BTDT-class society start? And what do you mean by astroturfing?
The pro-western leanings were there since the beggining, but they weren't on the charter until 2011/12 and as such mostly because Georgia, albeit the Georgians started it and then Libya. After Libya and the pro-West 50centers started popping up (czechmate67, RebelCze44, Kalerab, Gresh, leloup46 etc) a counter influx started as well. With more or less insane people. Then there were the local crazies that saw what was happening. You got people like Zeev (pro-zionist, pro-Russian schizo) or gleipnir (normal dudes with a functionning brain) simply seeing the writing on the wall and pushing back. And when the whole ordeal was done with, Mods simply added the Pro-West BS to stiffle the protest stream. It got so bad Hollis, big wig moderator went as low as posting a Muslim Brotherhood propaganda piece on Hama 1982 which had a video made by an affiliate of Al Qaeda. When I fronted him about that, I got my last suspension.
What changed over time was accountability for the mods. Hood was almost never there, and Hollis, who has nothing else to do, was there 24/7, therefore taking over much of the decisions. People like DW58 slowly got roller over, especially since DW had little tolerance for bigots, and MP 'Murricans can't keep their little Jesus in their pants. Along with their arrogance.
So basically there's that. The BTDT issue started because of the many posers, but stretched thin because of petty issues regarding performance of this or that. It also is a good cover for Hollis' bullshit, especially his non-sense about things he's vaguely heard of : ("Al Kindi baby formula plant" that one is funny, S300 protecting the Syrian Nuclear reactor is funny too, shit like that).
And astroturfing is simply the process in which cellar dwellers and mommyboys become ultra Divan Boevikis and swarm any given internet outlet to vouch for "their" cause. This is more than trolling, very serious idiots make very serious forays with their facts and or propaganda. Take Dforce for instance. Or Flagship Hausoffer (AKA Jeremy Sun at the MEss).