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I think the spiral is caused because the SLBM Bulava moves in its axis as it propels upward and the unique atmospheric conditions in those areas and the movement of missile along the axis causes those specctular spiral
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Possible . But what this article is suggesting is that the United State's HARP system actually got the Bulava. Just wanted to post some of the highlights from the web page:
“Our most dramatic evidence yet that "something," indeed -- a bonafide torsion weapons technology – somehow "reached out" and literally grabbed the Russian rocket test that morning ... brought it (in seconds!) to a virtual halt ... in mid-flight ... and then forced it to literally "turn cartwheels in the sky, as seen from northern Norway ...."
“In a sense, then, BOTH "instant audience viewpoints" on this astonishing phenomenon -- that "it was only a Russian missile"; and that "it was a top-secret energy weapons test of HAARP" -- would seem to have been simultaneously correct!”
“It WAS the Russian missile, after all ... But- With some "extraordinary help" from the Scandinavian "High Altitude Auroral Research Project" ....
“Once you know what to look for, the evidence that HAARP -- for some reason ... and somehow (more on this below ...) -- "took control" of this Russian missile-test that December 9th pre-dawn ... is everywhere”
“Like ... in the divergence angles of the puzzling "blue corkscrew" that emanated from the face-on Spiral's Center; as can be measured in this Spiral image (below), the angular-increase-with-distance of this blue "corkscrew" corresponds exactly with the famed "inverse square law" of standard 3-space EM radiation -- providing additional support that "some kind of beaming technology" was, indeed, being applied to the "leaking and rotating Bulava third-stage fuel residue”
“Strong evidence that HAARP, indeed, "took over" this Russian Bulava missile ... in mid-flight-- Via a torsion force -- created by the intense interaction of the HAARP EM radiation and the plasma gyrations created in the ionosphere as a direct result of that intense, beamed RF radiation”
The point that they are making as per my understanding is that in this case its a type of scalar technology. It's the reason that we have aircraft spraying aluminum oxide material across the country/globe daily. We have a upper dome that can be electrified/energized to either diffuse/deflect an EMP or screw with targeting systems on inbound mach 23 vehicles.
“Our most dramatic evidence yet that "something," indeed -- a bonafide torsion weapons technology – somehow "reached out" and literally grabbed the Russian rocket test that morning ... brought it (in seconds!) to a virtual halt ... in mid-flight ... and then forced it to literally "turn cartwheels in the sky, as seen from northern Norway ...."
“In a sense, then, BOTH "instant audience viewpoints" on this astonishing phenomenon -- that "it was only a Russian missile"; and that "it was a top-secret energy weapons test of HAARP" -- would seem to have been simultaneously correct!”
“It WAS the Russian missile, after all ... But- With some "extraordinary help" from the Scandinavian "High Altitude Auroral Research Project" ....
“Once you know what to look for, the evidence that HAARP -- for some reason ... and somehow (more on this below ...) -- "took control" of this Russian missile-test that December 9th pre-dawn ... is everywhere”
“Like ... in the divergence angles of the puzzling "blue corkscrew" that emanated from the face-on Spiral's Center; as can be measured in this Spiral image (below), the angular-increase-with-distance of this blue "corkscrew" corresponds exactly with the famed "inverse square law" of standard 3-space EM radiation -- providing additional support that "some kind of beaming technology" was, indeed, being applied to the "leaking and rotating Bulava third-stage fuel residue”
“Strong evidence that HAARP, indeed, "took over" this Russian Bulava missile ... in mid-flight-- Via a torsion force -- created by the intense interaction of the HAARP EM radiation and the plasma gyrations created in the ionosphere as a direct result of that intense, beamed RF radiation”
The point that they are making as per my understanding is that in this case its a type of scalar technology. It's the reason that we have aircraft spraying aluminum oxide material across the country/globe daily. We have a upper dome that can be electrified/energized to either diffuse/deflect an EMP or screw with targeting systems on inbound mach 23 vehicles.
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Sujoy wrote:Possible . But what this article is suggesting is that the United State's HARP system actually got the Bulava. Just wanted to post some of the highlights from the web page:
Just some lunatic stuff with Tin Foil Hat on by those article.
Bulava failure is now well documented , it was majorly Quality Control issue with more than 600 subcontractors supplying components to Bulava SLBM it was diffiuclt to maintain and monitor quality.
Once they figured that out and rectified the problem they got all launches successful after that , think it was 5-6 sucessful launch after last failure.
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Pretty tin-foil hat esque article.
The UFO shots are humorous, as is the concept of anything taking Bulava over.
The UFO shots are humorous, as is the concept of anything taking Bulava over.
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Actually there is a scheme behind all this . The entire idea is to advertise "black projects" like HARP in such a manner that there is an endless funding for such projects in the near to long term .
There are already Western defense analysts attached with a number of lobbying firms who believe in the idea of scalar weapons and are actively lobbying for their funding.
Funding per se for projects is a very lucrative business for western defense contractors because regardless of whether the project sees the light of the day or not one does not have to return the funding already received.
There are already Western defense analysts attached with a number of lobbying firms who believe in the idea of scalar weapons and are actively lobbying for their funding.
Funding per se for projects is a very lucrative business for western defense contractors because regardless of whether the project sees the light of the day or not one does not have to return the funding already received.
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Again the so called SCALAR Weapon and HARP project are just scientific imagination.
There was this lunatic Russian Politican called Zivornisky who said Russia had such weapon etc etc
If these projects are Black and such weapons exists beyond the realim of science fiction then they will never face funding problem and we would never every know about it.
There was this lunatic Russian Politican called Zivornisky who said Russia had such weapon etc etc
If these projects are Black and such weapons exists beyond the realim of science fiction then they will never face funding problem and we would never every know about it.
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Austin wrote:Again the so called SCALAR Weapon and HARP project are just scientific imagination.
Cloud Seeding is an example of Scalar weapon . What if U 2 type aircrafts ( albeit slightly larger) are used to cloud seed enemy airspace that results in incessant rainfall and therefore massive flooding .
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GarryB wrote:- The 'Fakel' bureau is working on a successor to the Soviet era 79M6 "contact" ASAT tested on the MiG-31D
Interesting that the new S-500 missiles are called 77N6...
Hmm, good thinking
. There is some talk on forums about a air-launched ASAT missile for the MiG-31 and possibly PAK FA based on the S-400/S-500 missiles but apparently they might be too heavy for aircraft launchAustin wrote:Again the so called SCALAR Weapon and HARP project are just scientific imagination.
The hijacking of the Bulava theory is just an internet story but I wouldn't dismiss everything to do with HARP out of hand as imagination. Nikola Tesla was experimenting with similar "Sci Fi" stuff 100 years ago. I'm sure at least some progress has been made since then in this field.
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I think the spiral is caused because the SLBM Bulava moves in its axis as it propels upward and the unique atmospheric conditions in those areas and the movement of missile along the axis causes those specctular spiral
I agree. A rocket like Bulava travelling outside the atmosphere cannot use fins to stabilise its flight, so the only way to stabilise it properly would be to impart a spin and the easiest way to do that is to offset the main rocket engines to the side a little.
This will make the rocket spin and as it does the gas exhaust will be directed sideways from the spinning rocket forming a spiral of burnt gas... with the correct angle of sunlight through that gas cloud a spiral would be a natural result.
Note that in addition to stabilisation the spinning of the missile would make it a difficult target for a laser because unlike in science fiction most modern lasers require being focused on a specific point for a period of time while the delivered energy builds up and destroys the target. A spinning rocket makes targeting one specific spot impossible which means that to be effective the laser has to be much much more powerful.
Just some lunatic stuff with Tin Foil Hat on by those article.
X2.
That so called scalar rubbish is pure fiction.
If these projects are Black and such weapons exists beyond the realim of science fiction then they will never face funding problem and we would never every know about it.
And more importantly, why would they waste money on ABM systems if they can control the ionosphere?
Cloud Seeding is an example of Scalar weapon . What if U 2 type aircrafts ( albeit slightly larger) are used to cloud seed enemy airspace that results in incessant rainfall and therefore massive flooding .
How can trying to make it rain be the same as using the atmosphere to interfere with aircraft or weapons? It seems to me their choice of a vague title has confused the entire technology.. which no doubt suits them right to the ground.
Cloud seeding is a mature technology but it does not create water molecules in the air, it just makes them fall as rain.
U-2s could simply be shot down, and continuous 24/7 seeding of the clouds will not create more water than is there so there will not be more than 40 days and 40 nights of rain.
It would be much cheaper and more efficient to use those aircraft to release plagues of insects or biological weapons to wipe out crops.
There is some talk on forums about a air-launched ASAT missile for the MiG-31 and possibly PAK FA based on the S-400/S-500 missiles but apparently they might be too heavy for aircraft launch
The belly mounted ASAT weapon on the Mig-31D was reportedly rather large, and the aircraft has a 9 ton payload capacity in the air to ground role (consisting of 4 wing mounted 1,5 ton bombs and two belly mounted 1.5 ton bombs).
I rather suspect a rather heavy missile could be carried on a modified Mig-31.
Nikola Tesla was experimenting with similar "Sci Fi" stuff 100 years ago. I'm sure at least some progress has been made since then in this field.
There is a huge difference between progress and a functional, operational weapon system.
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Good Post Garry with a sense of Humour , My Vote 
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GarryB wrote:That so called scalar rubbish is pure fiction
Fiction only to the extent that not much is known about it's success but not because it does not exist . The US DoD has over the last few years allocated millions to perfect Scalar Weapons.The High-Frequency Active Auroral Research Program (HAARP) based in Gokona, Alaska is jointly managed by the US Air Force and the US Navy. The Final Report of the US Air Force Air University (AF 2025) states :
http://csat.au.af.mil/2025/index.htmWeather modification will become a part of domestic and international security and could be done unilaterally… It could have offensive and defensive applications and even be used for deterrence purposes. The ability to generate precipitation, fog, and storms on earth or to modify space weather, … and the production of artificial weather all are a part of an integrated set of technologies which can provide substantial increase in US, or degraded capability in an adversary, to achieve global awareness, reach, and power.
GarryB wrote:How can trying to make it rain be the same as using the atmosphere to interfere with aircraft or weapons?
Trying to make rain and using the atmosphere to interfere with aircraft or weapons are two mutually exclusive events.
In the case of the former it is a case of intentional weather modification.Cloud seeding works by speeding along the natural process of rain. The pellets contain particles around which water can condense and build up saturation until it has to release the built-up moisture in the form of rain, even in areas with very low humidity.
Thirty-five deaths in the infamous Lynmouth flood disaster in UK came only days after RAF rain-making experiments over southern England .a BBC investigation has confirmed that secret experiments were causing heavy rainfall.Classified documents on the trials have gone missing, but people involved have told their story for the BBC Radio Four's Document program.
In the case of the latter it has been well established that various weapon systems do NOT function under different climatic conditions . Can those climatic conditions be created artificially, that as I have enumerated above is Work In Progress.
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integrated set of technologies which can provide substantial increase in US, or degraded capability in an adversary, to achieve global awareness, reach, and power.
So what you are saying is that the next time there is a drought or a flood somewhere that country has a legitimate reason to launch a military strike against the US because it now controls the weather.
I guess if these military groups really do control the weather then that super storm a few months ago in the US and the flooding you mention above suggest these "weapons" are just as dangerous to their home countries as their enemies?
I still think it is BS.
Trying to make rain and using the atmosphere to interfere with aircraft or weapons are two mutually exclusive events.
You called the cloud seeding and atmosphere manipulation "scalar" technology... not me.
In the case of the former it is a case of intentional weather modification.Cloud seeding works by speeding along the natural process of rain.
That is right... it releases the moisture trapped in the air... it does not create moisture from nothing, so if there is little moisture in the air it wont be able to make it rain continuously for long periods.
Of course in some arid regions even a fall of a few cms over a wide area can cause problems, but the facts remain there are other more efficient ways to kill people... ways the US military has spent very large amounts of money perfecting over the years from the rifle bullet to the cruise missile... or the economic sanction.
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GarryB wrote: So what you are saying is that the next time there is a drought or a flood somewhere that country has a legitimate reason to launch a military strike against the US because it now controls the weather.
I never said that but to answer your question Afghanistan , Iraq , Pakistan , Libya all have a legitimate reason to launch a military strike against the US . Having the ability is more important than having a reason .
GarryB wrote:I guess if these military groups really do control the weather then that super storm a few months ago in the US and the flooding you mention above suggest these "weapons" are just as dangerous to their home countries as their enemies?
US history suggests progress demands sacrifice .
(a) From 1945 to 1947, 18 people were injected with plutonium by Manhattan project doctors
(b) In Nashville , pregnant women were given radioactive mixtures.
(c) In Cincinnati, some 200 patients were irradiated over a period of 15 years.
(d)In Chicago, 102 people received injections of strontium and cesium solutions.
(e)In Massachusetts, 57 developmentally disabled children were fed radioactive oatmeal in an experiment sponsored by MIT and the Quaker Oats Company.
In none of these cases were the subjects informed about the nature of the procedures, and thus could not have provided informed consent
GarryB wrote:so if there is little moisture in the air it wont be able to make it rain continuously for long periods.
Right ...but then it can create excessive rainfall when there is moisture in the air . Countries like Vietnam, North Korea , UK among others can be devastated by causing excessive rainfall. The time period becomes important as to when the cloud seeding is done during the year. Alternatively , cloud seeding can be done to cause acid rain and destroy agricultural land.
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I never said that but to answer your question Afghanistan , Iraq , Pakistan , Libya all have a legitimate reason to launch a military strike against the US . Having the ability is more important than having a reason .
If the US COULD control the weather why wouldn't they?
Their greatest foes would get year after year of drought and flood to ruin them economically... and that has clearly not happened.
In none of these cases were the subjects informed about the nature of the procedures, and thus could not have provided informed consent
Just the tip of the iceberg... most diseases were released in US cities and the hospitals were monitored to determine how the diseases spread. Japanese war criminals were pardoned just to get their notes and results from WWII torture of allied prisoners and subjects of conquered lands.
I am not suggesting that the western military would not experiment on its own citizens... clearly it has and it would again.
Right ...but then it can create excessive rainfall when there is moisture in the air . Countries like Vietnam, North Korea , UK among others can be devastated by causing excessive rainfall.
With respect, hardly devastated. Economic sanctions would do far more long term damage... and I would suspect the cloud seeding might result in a few US aircraft getting shot down when they worked it out.
You'd think the Sahara could be green again just with cloud seeding... but you'd be wrong.
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The problem with controlling the weather with exoctic weapon is we do not still understand fully the complexity of Weather and how multiple factors would affect our weather patter in our continent or thousand of miles away.
It might so happen that you do something silly to try to damage your advesary by using some system that can infulence the weather only to find out a year later that it has affected your rain or wind pattern and made it much worse for you then you could make for your enemy.
Playing with Weather System or Earthquake weapon is quite dangerous since we dont have complete grasp of the complixity of the subject.
It might so happen that you do something silly to try to damage your advesary by using some system that can infulence the weather only to find out a year later that it has affected your rain or wind pattern and made it much worse for you then you could make for your enemy.
Playing with Weather System or Earthquake weapon is quite dangerous since we dont have complete grasp of the complixity of the subject.
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GarryB wrote:If the US COULD control the weather why wouldn't they?
As I said that the essential elements are in place . HAARP does exist . As on this date it is work in progress. And it might sound as some sort of conspiracy theory but the record floods in Beijing last year http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-china-18942984 was blamed on HAARP by a section of Chinese defense analysts. So we do not know to what extent the US has perfected the system but what we do know is that the intent does exist and resources are being made available to fine tune this weapon .
In 2010 Russian research scientist Dr. Andrey Areshev writing for the Kremlin’s independent think tank Strategic Culture Foundation had warned that the catastrophic fires raging throughout the Motherland ( Russia) may have been caused by American weather weapons and states that “the incidence of the current anomalously high temperatures exclusively in Russia and some adjacent territories invites alternative explanations.” Dr. Areshev’s findings further states:
The US is certainly exploring the possibilities of controlling the climate in several regions of the world. The corresponding technology is being developed in the framework of the High-Frequency Active Aural Research Program» (HAARP), the objective being to build a potential to launch droughts, hurricanes, floods, and earthquakes. From the military standpoint, HAARP is supposed to create a novel type of weapons of mass destruction and an instrument of expansionist policy which can be used to selectively destabilize environmental and agricultural systems of target countries.
Technically, the system is known to be a set of sources of electromagnetic radiation affecting the ionosphere. It comprises 360 sources and 180 aerials having the height of 22 meters. Altogether the station emits 3,600 kW towards the ionosphere, being the world's most powerful system of the kind. The program opened in 1990, is jointly funded by the US Office of Naval Research and the US Air Force Research Laboratory, and is implemented by several university laboratories.
GarryB wrote:You'd think the Sahara could be green again just with cloud seeding... but you'd be wrong.
I can go by ground reality . Twenty years ago much of Dubai and Sharjah were deserts . Today they are among the most expensive real estate markets anywhere in the world . There are not pockets of green in UAE today , infact there are vast stretches of green . What brought about these changes , technology did . It's a horses for courses sought of a situation . Cloud seeding will not work there because in any case they receive scanty rainfall . But other systems did like the Drip System of Agriculture . Till then it was believed that no agriculture is possible in a desert .
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Some of you mai e heard about haarp. If not here you can find about http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Haarp
Is said that can modify weather. Is that true?
Is said that can modify weather. Is that true?
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victor1985 wrote:Some of you mai e heard about haarp. If not here you can find about http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Haarp
Is said that can modify weather. Is that true?
We are already manipulating weather, not in a sense that we actually can adjust the weather like we want but we can effect the weather and that is known and used across most countries. For Victory day parade in russia or in Berlin when they made chancellor announcement they use silveroxid and some other chemicals we can disperse cloud formation or do the oppossite when there are cloud formation we can disperse chemicals to initiate a chemical reaction so to increase precipitation rain or snow.
It is called Cloud seeding.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cloud_seeding
What i've read about Haarp is mainly based on researches and thesis from Tesla.
Like most things the meteorological sphere is effected by the earths magnetic field. The normal effect from out earth is relative weak but this can be emplified by VHF bandwidth that can interfere at some points near tropo sphere and earth's magnetic field, this effect is amplified and the normal magnetic field of our planet can be raised or lowered like little bumps through the normal magnetic allignment. How i understood it is that weather formation can be directed away from locations which are prone to have more hurricanes, orcans or maybe even direct cloud formations to regions that have droughts. Of course in theory this could be also used as a weapon, to direct hurricanes to political enemies.
Potential is high for benefit and destruction and according to some there are enough facilities in US and Russia that are experimenting with artificial created mangetic fields to effect the magnetosphere for that purpose. Tesla's thesis are very interesting on that regard and could either doom or could be even used for magneticfields to lift objects if amplified and narrowed which is another research that is currently observed for space travel, to use magnetic field to lift objects out of earth's gravity.
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No. That's a Myth.
So far i haven't seen any relationship or theory about "Electromagnetic means" of Weather modification. HAARP Uses VHF frequency, which does not interact with Troposphere where all of our weather phenomenon occur but Ionosphere. There with VHF Frequency, scientist can study about Ionosphere properties.
I believe any HF or VHF Radar station (Say JORN) must also have some sort of Ionosphere monitoring station that will report Ionosphere condition. Thus allow the radar to be tuned in to provide best performance.
So far i haven't seen any relationship or theory about "Electromagnetic means" of Weather modification. HAARP Uses VHF frequency, which does not interact with Troposphere where all of our weather phenomenon occur but Ionosphere. There with VHF Frequency, scientist can study about Ionosphere properties.
I believe any HF or VHF Radar station (Say JORN) must also have some sort of Ionosphere monitoring station that will report Ionosphere condition. Thus allow the radar to be tuned in to provide best performance.
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HAARP Uses VHF frequency, ...
HAARP and similar gadgets use HF, which is required for their functionality, as interaction with the ionosphere is an important part of the requirement.
HF is defined as frequencies between 3 MHz and 30 MHz. VHF is defined as frequencies between 30 MHz and 300 MHz.
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But in a way a device that power up a electromagnetic wave no matter which could change weather?
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the worlds weather system is enormously complex and is constantly changing with dozens of different periodic cycles all acting together to create patterns, but in a chaotic way, so while the basics can be predicted... ie winter, summer, etc etc you can guess on a wet winter or a dry winter, but even then you can be wrong or right.
Very complex models using super computers can make fairly accurate forecasts but even then they get things wrong over time.
the very idea you could flick a switch and make it rain or the wind blow is silly and even if they could cause a drought at coordinates x and y, then the effect on the rest of the world is totally unknown and could lead to disasters elsewhere too.
Very complex models using super computers can make fairly accurate forecasts but even then they get things wrong over time.
the very idea you could flick a switch and make it rain or the wind blow is silly and even if they could cause a drought at coordinates x and y, then the effect on the rest of the world is totally unknown and could lead to disasters elsewhere too.
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the very idea you could flick a switch and make it rain or the wind blow is silly and even if they could cause a drought at coordinates x and y, then the effect on the rest of the world is totally unknown and could lead to disasters elsewhere too.
It is of course not that easy, but that does not prevent governments of trying to control the weather and we know that the first application will not be a scientific one for the contribution of everyone but a military one, because no country could deal with hurricanes when someone actually could controll or at least direct bad weather formations into certain directions. At the current that is the thing they are trying to research what ionized cloud formations and how they can be used by magnetic fields of course that is not in the interest of majority.
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GarryB wrote:the worlds weather system is enormously complex and is constantly changing with dozens of different periodic cycles all acting together to create patterns, but in a chaotic way, so while the basics can be predicted... ie winter, summer, etc etc you can guess on a wet winter or a dry winter, but even then you can be wrong or right.
Very complex models using super computers can make fairly accurate forecasts but even then they get things wrong over time.
the very idea you could flick a switch and make it rain or the wind blow is silly and even if they could cause a drought at coordinates x and y, then the effect on the rest of the world is totally unknown and could lead to disasters elsewhere too.
Weather control on a local level has been available in a limited sense for some time.. the Soviets/Russians sprayed some compounds into the skies above a coming military parade in order to exclude the possibility of rain - and probably still do so.
It's possible that with a little extra development of such technology - it can be put to operational military use too. Not only stopping rains in certain locations at certain times, but encouraging them too. Could be used to lower visibility/sound distance and provide cover for your special forces operations, or be used to hinder the movements of enemy formations while keeping the forces on your side dry, etc..
When it comes to generating or stopping storms, cyclones, hurricanes and such - that would require a systematic approach as storms are formed over huge geographical areas and are related to atmospheric pressures, ocean currents and plenty of other factors that can't be localized at all.
Doing something like this would also require cupious amounts of energy.
Long story short - won't be possible for quite a while yet.
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