Say what you will about the F-35, but Lockheed Martin has actually built and delivered one hundred and seventy one aircraft thus far. The Russian Air Force, meanwhile, has yet to receive its first PAK FA. In lieu of the PAK FA, Russia has continued to acquire generation 4.5 fighters (mostly of the Flanker family) as well as upgrading generation 4 fighters (including various Flankers, the MiG-29 Fulcrum, and the MiG-31 Foxhound). Sukhoi will likely never build the number of fighters that Western analysts expected, or that the Russian Air Force wanted.
Hahaha.. F-35 is a piece of crap... mainly because its design was generalised to play the role of several different existing 4th gen fighters, which resulted in performance that would be considered substandard by most air forces... the golden feature is that it is stealthy... except that when it is fully operational it wont be.
But because it is in production and costing such a huge amount some buyers are getting real second thought jitters lets pretend that the PAK FA has been seriously delayed and might not even be bought in any numbers... because we are in the land of make believe and we can pretend what we like.
Of course in the real world the PAK FA will go into service in Russia and in India... they are not buying 2 thousand of them like the west pretends it will buy of the F-35 of course but who wants 2 thousand sheep to fight 500 Russian and Indian lions...
Acquisition of the PAK FA has slowed for two reasons.
Acquisition of the PAK FA is going to plan AFAIK... they were never claiming to have 135 operational aircraft in service now.
First, technical problems have beset the program, as Russia’s aviation industry (weighed down by the legacy of the post–Cold War collapse) has struggled with the development and manufacture of advanced stealth and avionic components.
Actually western sanctions have purged western components from Russian systems and so in the future the risk of third party trojan components is very low.
All of Europe has struggled with the development and manufacture of stealth aircraft... they don't have any either... even with their state of the art technology and electronics etc etc.
Second, the Russian economy has been damaged in the face of a worldwide drop in oil prices, and Western sanctions stemming from the decision to seize and annex Crimea. All in all, it remains unclear whether the PAK FA will ever threaten Western dominance of the skies.
Whether they will threaten western dominance of the skies depends more on what skies the west chooses to operate in. The presence of S-400s in Syria seemed to scare away F-22s on their first real operational deployment, so they likely don't even need PAK FA. That is not to say they wont get them... PAK FA seems more crafted to the role of defeating enemy stealth aircraft than the F-35 is crafted to operate in Russian air space safely.
The PAK FA emerged from the ruins of the Russian post-Cold War military-industrial base. Russia’s first fifth-generation fighter project, the “MiG 1.44,” produced a single prototype before cancellation. The advent of the F-22 Raptor, and the expectation that the U.S. would follow up with large numbers of F-35 Joint Strike Fighters, made the development of a fifth-generation fighter imperative for Russia.
The MFI programme dates back to the late 1980s and was expected to replace the Su-27 and the LMFI programme was supposed to replace smaller fighters like the MiG-29 and Yak-141... the latter being cancelled anyway.
The MFI programme was modified into the MFS programme when they decided they wanted a more multi role aircraft, and the MiG 1.44 and S-37 were produced as technology demonstrators to see which company would create the future multirole aircraft.
Sukhoi won and developed the PAK FA.
Altogether, the PAK FA appears to strongly resemble the F-22 in performance, with marginally less stealth and network capabilities, but potentially more room to grow.
Unlike the US the Russians realised the F-22 was an imperial design expected to enter enemy air space and shoot down an enemy air force with the intent of exposing the country to military attack and takeover... it is a sniper that flys high and fast and shoots at anything that tries to take off using its stealth and cruise missiles launched from other platforms to take out any long range SAM that could threaten it, and its own AAMs to shoot down any aircraft as it takes off.
The PAK FA on the other hand is intended to shoot down F-22s and F-35s, hense it has IRST and multiple frequency range radar and of course datalinks to communicate with aerospace defence forces.
However, the fighter continues to struggle with questions over cost and engine performance. In particular, the engines adopted for early aircraft do not provide sufficient thrust for the airframe, leaving the aircraft at a significant disadvantage compared to American fighters. In part because of this, and in part because of Russia’s economic difficulties, the initial order has dropped to twelve (with more expected after the resolution of engine problems)
It is a new design... if they crank out 250 of these aircraft what are they going to do if they find the oxygen supply system suffocates the crew? Like the F-22 does.
They are producing 12 preproduction aircraft to put into service with the testing and evaluation units to find problems or potential improvements before the design is finalised and full production starts. The engines are no problem... there is no total redesign needed for the newer engines to be fitted... one could argue the F-14 had to wait till the D model before it got decent engines so it is not that uncommon.
The PAK FA plays a major role in India’s competition with China and Pakistan, its two major regional rivals. China has pushed the J-20 stealth fighter project to a stage competitive with the PAK FA, although we know less of the former’s capabilities than of the latter. For its part, we can expect that Pakistan will likely acquire J-31 stealth fighters from China, whether off the shelf or as part of some kind of joint production scheme.
It remains unclear whether India will ever acquire a version of the PAK FA, or instead focus on indigenously developed aircraft (the distant AMCA project, which may result in a usable combat aircraft by 2030). The absence of the PAK FA (HAL FGFA in Indian terminology) will leave a major hole in the Indian Air Force for quite a long time.
Ahhh... so this Chinese fighter is superior to the PAK FA... why don't India just buy them instead... after all the Chinese are well known for their prowess in jet engine production...
The Russians have been planing to have the PAK FA in service for decades now and it will happen whether India decides to pick up its feet or not... there are plenty who whine about the Gorshkov price increases and delays but if they had spent less time haggling a better price they could have had it built in rather less time and saved an enormous amount of money when things were cheaper... but no... lets haggle and get the best price for the FGA... I mean after all who else will sell such a thing to India?
With respect to other buyers, the Russians may eventually find export customers, but few seem interested at this point. The high cost of the plane, it's unproven technology, and limited Russian productive capacity make it a bad bet compared to the Flanker family, or (for those countries lucky enough to have a Club Membership) the F-35. That said, Sukhoi has enjoyed strong export success in recent years, and it would be wrong to bet against them at this point.
Who cares about export customers? How many actual exports of the MiG-31 have their been? This guy is an idiot.
The biggest question associated with the PAK FA remains this; can Russia’s aviation industry produce a sufficient number of fighters of sufficient reliability to have a significant strategic impact? The answer remains very much in doubt, but depends to great extent on whether the Russian economy recovers, and the Russian Air Force submits sufficient domestic orders to make producing the fighter a worthwhile risk.
What a dick. What reliability issues have Russian fighters had in Russian service?
They have never produced them before so there is a question if they will ever be able to produce them? Well how about they have made 135 F-35s... why aren't they being used operationally yet? Are they really that crap?
Although a completely different kind of fighter, the J-20 has increasingly taken on the bugbear role for Western air forces. The J-20 doesn’t match up well with either the F-22 or the F-35, but presents a different set of problems; how to defend vulnerable forward installations from a stealth-capable strike aircraft. That’s somewhat less sexy than the vision of Raptors and PAK FAs dog fighting it out, but it’s closer to the problems that every non-Western air force has faced for the last three decades.
Hahahaha... so don't worry about the PAK FA some completely unknown Chinese piece of crap is the real danger to the world and the west... hahahahaah... WTF is this guy smoking?
If the J-20 can't even match it with western fighters it might as well be a cruise missile... it can still hit installations but it will cost a fraction of the price and be bought in enormous numbers with no need to risk skilled pilots...
BTW if PAK FAs are dogfighting F-35s and F-22s then it is game over for those western aircraft...