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    Post  Guest Mon Aug 31, 2015 1:49 pm

    PapaDragon wrote:
    PAK-FA to carry 4 Grom-2 bombs, 250kg each

    http://sputniknews.com/military/20150831/1026395651/russia-unveils-newest-smart-bombs.html
    So it is safe to assume that they are internal?
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    Post  PapaDragon Mon Aug 31, 2015 3:30 pm

    Ivan the Colorado wrote:
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    PAK-FA to carry 4 Grom-2 bombs, 250kg each

    http://sputniknews.com/military/20150831/1026395651/russia-unveils-newest-smart-bombs.html
    So it is safe to assume that they are internal?

    That would be my guess given the size of weapon bays and bombs themselves. They should be able to cary a lot more if loaded externally.

    Otherwise one ton load would be nothing to write home about...
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    Post  Guest Mon Aug 31, 2015 5:21 pm

    PapaDragon wrote:
    Ivan the Colorado wrote:
    PapaDragon wrote:
    PAK-FA to carry 4 Grom-2 bombs, 250kg each

    http://sputniknews.com/military/20150831/1026395651/russia-unveils-newest-smart-bombs.html
    So it is safe to assume that they are internal?

    That would be my guess given the size of weapon bays and bombs themselves. They should be able to cary a lot more if loaded externally.

    Otherwise one ton load would be nothing to write home about...
    Didn't make note of the weight. My bad. On that note, I would like to see the FAB-100 developed into a SDB analog.
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    Post  TheArmenian Tue Sep 01, 2015 4:59 am

    Something is wrong with the original article from Sputnik and the deductions you guys are making.
    The Grom-1 and Grom-2 weigh 600 kg each.
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    Post  GarryB Tue Sep 01, 2015 9:23 am

    I just skim read the article, but I took the Grom and Grom 2 to be updates of the AS-18 Kazoo, which is a missile that has been in service for decades and basically equates to the SLAM-ER... ie a long range subsonic missile with TV guidance with a datalink that transmits the scene around the target back to the launch platform so the weapon officer can select the target and the missile will go in for the kill on its own.

    The new Grom-1 is stealthy and has a 250kg payload and a jet engine, while the Grom-2 is a gliding bomb with the jet component replaced with more HE.

    the Grom-1 has a 250kg HE payload and the Grom-2 has double that but only a relatively short glide range... though I assume it is intended for a supersonic lofted release into enemy territory to maximise range.
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    Post  Glyph Tue Sep 01, 2015 10:42 am

    GarryB wrote:I just skim read the article, but I took the Grom and Grom 2 to be updates of the AS-18 Kazoo, which is a missile that has been in service for decades and basically equates to the SLAM-ER... ie a long range subsonic missile with TV guidance with a datalink that transmits the scene around the target back to the launch platform so the weapon officer can select the target and the missile will go in for the kill on its own.

    The new Grom-1 is stealthy and has a 250kg payload and a jet engine, while the Grom-2 is a gliding bomb with the jet component replaced with more HE.

    the Grom-1 has a 250kg HE payload and the Grom-2 has double that but only a relatively short glide range... though I assume it is intended for a supersonic lofted release into enemy territory to maximise range.

    GarryB I am truly the shocked, you have missed the wonderful feature of these two munitions.


    The key element that maked this weapon so absolutely unique to others design is superior fraction of payload mass to overall weapon mass.

    Also not forget, these weapon are also compatible with the internal bay of PAK-FA, while not one single cruise missile in western stock, save for JSOW/-ER are compatible with internal bay of F-35, to not even speak of F-22.


    These munition allow one PAK-FA to deliver equivalent weapons payload of two F-35 equipped with similar munition.
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    Post  Austin Wed Sep 02, 2015 12:45 pm

    New Weapons Highlight T-50 Strike Role
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    Post  Austin Fri Sep 04, 2015 4:28 am

    MAKS 2015: KTRV showcases Kh-59MK2 aircraft guided missile upgrades

    Among the most significant weapons to be exhibited at MAKS 2015 was an updated version of the Kh-59 stand-off land attack missile, called the Kh-59MK2.

    Developed by the Raduga Design Bureau, part of Russia's Tactical Missiles Corporation (KTRV), the new variant - about to enter flight testing - has been configured to fit in the internal weapons bay of the Sukhoi PAK FA (T-50) fighter aircraft. Additionally, the body of the missile has been optimised for a reduced radar cross section (RCS).

    The new, stealthy Kh-59MK2 is 4.2 m long, has a wingspan of 2.5 m, and a 0.4x0.4 m cross section with its wings and fins folded. Although currently designated as part of the Kh-59 family, it is expected to receive an entirely new designation in the future.

    As for the original Kh-59, the missile is intended to strike a variety of fixed ground targets, including targets with low radar, infrared (IR), and optical background contrast, known position co-ordinates, and target area information features. Powered by a Saturn 37-04 bypass turbojet (or a 50MT turbojet for export), the modernised Kh-59MK2 has an acknowledged range of 290 km. It incorporates an INS and a satellite guidance system (GPS and GLONASS) that can provide mid-course guidance, and an electro-optical (EO) terminal guidance system that gives a circular error probable of 3 m in either day or night operations. One or more missions can be loaded into that system to provide optional guidance on different targets.


    The missile can fly as low as 50 m over the ground, with warhead options including a 310 kg penetrator or submunitions.
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    Post  Austin Fri Sep 04, 2015 10:49 am

    Interesting pod cast from Bill Sweetman who returned from MAKS and describes some stuff on jamming system

    http://aviationweek.com/defense/podcast-russia-counters-us-advantages

    Transcript is out here http://aviationweek.com/defense/russians-showcase-new-munitions
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    Post  GunshipDemocracy Thu Sep 10, 2015 6:03 am

    New PAK FA Sci-Fi like helmet

    PAK-FA, T-50: News #3 - Page 17 Shlem_default


    http://rg.ru/2015/09/08/shlem-site.html (after Yandex translation)

    Helmet of the pilot of the Sukhoi PAK FA has become the embodiment of fantasy
    Helmets for pilots of the air force, which in the late 90's showed in the sci-Fi Thriller, it has almost become a reality, said Deputy General Director of concern "radio-Electronic technology" (KRET) Igor Nasenkov.



    In an interview vestigethat leads to the press service of the state Corporation rostec, and Igor Nasenkov remembered the Russian fighter of the 90-ies of the last century "Blue thunder". There was shown a helmet helicopter pilot with a fantastic for those times opportunities o on the windshield of the helmet all the parameters needed by the pilot to carry out the mission.

    "Now these helmets have become a reality, says Igor Nasenkov. - They are developed by our concern for pilots of modern fighter aircraft of the fifth generation PAK-FA and were presented at the exhibition "Army-2015". This helmet replaces multiple devices and is equipped with a large number of sensors. They capture the head movements of the pilot and depending on where he turns his head, projecting points on the information that he needed at the moment. Here comes the function of selecting and targeting and much more. The pilot remains only to press the right buttons on the handle".

    The Deputy Director of the group said that has become a reality and another fantastic function - when the points on the helmet of the pilot is projected virtual image of the battlefield, where your troops with one color marked, enemies and other objects of the enemy shall be ranked by grade and immediately are assigned to a particular missile under the wing.

    The PAK FA will be equipped with hypersonic missiles
    "With regard to the functions of marking a different color, then it's pretty easy to do. Our concern is 90 percent of the market production of a unified system of state radar identification which, for simplicity called "friend or foe". And in all of our military vehicles - land, sea and air are radar interrogators and transponders. So when, for example combat aircraft flying over the battlefield, he works the system Board "Password" or "Guardian" and the pilot who sees the battlefield "his" and who is "alien" and automatically marks them with the right color," the press service cites rostec words Igor Nasenkov.

    We will add that now and in other structures of the Russian military-industrial complex are similar. Thus, the development of the technology of augmented reality are now engaged in the Russian Foundation for advanced research.

    According to specialists Fund, the technology is most applicable in the Russian air force. It will broadcast on the windshield of the helmet of the pilot of a combat plane or helicopter information that the pilot visually can't have. And this, in turn, will allow, for example, to direct the weapon at the target without hands - a simple turn of the head.
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    Post  PapaDragon Thu Sep 10, 2015 10:45 am

    GunshipDemocracy wrote:New PAK FA Sci-Fi like helmet

    ..................................................


    Great find buddy, I've was just about to ask about this helmet.

    +1 !!! thumbsup
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    Post  Berkut Thu Sep 10, 2015 11:04 am

    The pictured helmet is for helicopters iirc. This is the real T-50 one;

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    Post  Cyberspec Thu Sep 10, 2015 7:17 pm

    Berkut wrote:The pictured helmet is for helicopters iirc. This is the real T-50 one;

    PAK-FA, T-50: News #3 - Page 17 21250946276_a77144c166_o

    Can't see the pic....some sort of error
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    Post  Guest Thu Sep 10, 2015 8:11 pm

    Berkut wrote:The pictured helmet is for helicopters iirc. This is the real T-50 one;

    PAK-FA, T-50: News #3 - Page 17 21250946276_a77144c166_o
    Will the new helmet and the other pilot tech from the PAK-FA filter down less advanced fighters like Su-35S?
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    Post  Hachimoto Thu Sep 10, 2015 11:28 pm

    GunshipDemocracy wrote:New PAK FA Sci-Fi like helmet

    PAK-FA, T-50: News #3 - Page 17 Shlem_default


    http://rg.ru/2015/09/08/shlem-site.html (after Yandex translation)

    Helmet of the pilot of the Sukhoi PAK FA has become the embodiment of fantasy
    Helmets for pilots of the air force, which in the late 90's showed in the sci-Fi Thriller, it has almost become a reality, said Deputy General Director of concern "radio-Electronic technology" (KRET) Igor Nasenkov.



    In an interview vestigethat leads to the press service of the state Corporation rostec, and Igor Nasenkov remembered the Russian fighter of the 90-ies of the last century "Blue thunder". There was shown a helmet helicopter pilot with a fantastic for those times opportunities o on the windshield of the helmet all the parameters needed by the pilot to carry out the mission.

    "Now these helmets have become a reality, says Igor Nasenkov. - They are developed by our concern for pilots of modern fighter aircraft of the fifth generation PAK-FA and were presented at the exhibition "Army-2015". This helmet replaces multiple devices and is equipped with a large number of sensors. They capture the head movements of the pilot and depending on where he turns his head, projecting points on the information that he needed at the moment. Here comes the function of selecting and targeting and much more. The pilot remains only to press the right buttons on the handle".

    The Deputy Director of the group said that has become a reality and another fantastic function - when the points on the helmet of the pilot is projected virtual image of the battlefield, where your troops with one color marked, enemies and other objects of the enemy shall be ranked by grade and immediately are assigned to a particular missile under the wing.

    The PAK FA will be equipped with hypersonic missiles
    "With regard to the functions of marking a different color, then it's pretty easy to do. Our concern is 90 percent of the market production of a unified system of state radar identification which, for simplicity called "friend or foe". And in all of our military vehicles - land, sea and air are radar interrogators and transponders. So when, for example combat aircraft flying over the battlefield, he works the system Board "Password" or "Guardian" and the pilot who sees the battlefield "his" and who is "alien" and automatically marks them with the right color," the press service cites rostec words Igor Nasenkov.

    We will add that now and in other structures of the Russian military-industrial complex are similar. Thus, the development of the technology of augmented reality are now engaged in the Russian Foundation for advanced research.

    According to specialists Fund, the technology is most applicable in the Russian air force. It will broadcast on the windshield of the helmet of the pilot of a combat plane or helicopter information that the pilot visually can't have. And this, in turn, will allow, for example, to direct the weapon at the target without hands - a simple turn of the head.

    I don't see what's sci-fi is about this helmet unless we are living in the past century !
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    Post  GunshipDemocracy Fri Sep 11, 2015 6:10 am

    Berkut wrote:The pictured helmet is for helicopters iirc. This is the real T-50 one;

    PAK-FA, T-50: News #3 - Page 17 21250946276_a77144c166_o

    Hate to admit you´re correct Smile


    PapaDragon wrote:
    GunshipDemocracy wrote:New PAK FA Sci-Fi like helmet

    ..................................................


    Great find buddy, I've was just about to ask about this helmet.

    +1 !!! thumbsup

    Thx but my bad I did not verify pic attached to RG article. The one below is clearly mentionewd in Zvezda TV as PAK FA one

    http://tvzvezda.ru/news/vstrane_i_mire/content/201508081803-kxau.htm


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    Post  Berkut Fri Sep 11, 2015 7:53 am

    Cyberspec wrote:
    Berkut wrote:The pictured helmet is for helicopters iirc. This is the real T-50 one;

    Can't see the pic....some sort of error

    Strange. It should work just fine as it is flickr link. Here is the direct link anyway; https://farm1.staticflickr.com/573/21250946276_a77144c166_o.jpg

    Ivan the Colorado wrote:Will the new helmet and the other pilot tech from the PAK-FA filter down less advanced fighters like Su-35S?

    I am not sure about the new helmet, but Su-35S already uses the same ejection seat, basically the same OBOGS system and will probably use the non HMD helmet called ZSh-10 when they get the production up and running. Same story with the suit i guess.

    ZSh-10;

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    Post  sepheronx Fri Sep 11, 2015 1:02 pm

    What would be the point of that? Since Russia has used HMD systems for years, why would they opt out of one for Su-35S? Makes no sense and a huge drawback from previous systems.
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    Post  Berkut Fri Sep 11, 2015 3:41 pm

    You do realize that the simple system used for R-73 helmet tracking is still available on Su-35S* and that is NOT what we are talking about?

    *Well, it is made in Ukraine so they have to replace it asap zulu...
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    Post  sepheronx Fri Sep 11, 2015 4:13 pm

    And what are the plans for the import substitution on it? Anything in the works? I am not entirely sure about thee new helmets but if they hold a new HMD system, then good.
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    Post  GarryB Sat Sep 12, 2015 6:50 am

    The HMS used for the R-73 is simply a monocle with a crosshair illuminated in it... place that on the target and press a button on the stick and the sensor in the missile/IRST/Radar is directed to look at the target... when it gets a lock the crosshair starts flashing meaning you can take a shot/have a lock/have a lock. In the case of IRST you can lase the target for a range or with radar you have range details already with the lock.

    What these new HMS are intended for is to allow the pilot to see speed and altitude information within his field of view at all times... of course with a TVC aircraft with no chance of stalling the aircraft speed and angle and altitude are much less critical...

    With the helicopter systems there seems to be twin optical sensors used that should allow the pilot to have a virtual view of the world... so they should be able to see as if they were viewing from the chin position of the aircraft and therefore see through the cockpit displays... that would be amazing for landing and take off and would generally be for the pilot rather than the weapons officer.
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    Post  magnumcromagnon Sat Sep 12, 2015 2:36 pm

    Ladies and Germs, remember the name..*ROFAR*, or Radio-Optical Phased Array Antenna. This is the official name KRET has given their 2nd-gen photonic based AESA technology, with working prototypes with a 50% decrease in weight, and a 10-fold increase in resolution compared to contemporary generation of 1st-gen AESA:

    Thanks radiofotonike KRET will create a new generation of radar
    Technology Group will expand the possibilities of modern technology

    PAK-FA, T-50: News #3 - Page 17 Afar

    KRET began laboratory research in the field of radiofotoniki to create radio-optical phased array antenna (ROFAR). This technology will enable a new generation of radar receive radar "vision", RIA "Novosti" Adviser to the First Deputy General Director Vladimir Mikheev KRET.

    Photonic technologies will help to reduce the weight of modern means of communication more than doubled, and the resolution will increase tenfold.

    Thanks radiofotonike must be new opportunities to improve the characteristics of a "smart skin", used in the Russian aircraft and helicopters of the latest generation.

    On the basis of KRET appear laboratory, which will develop a universal technology for radar and other systems of the new generation.

    "The work is a four and a half years, it is carried out in strict accordance with the schedule that we agreed on with the Foundation for Advanced Studies (FPI). Laboratory studies of the individual elements are now. From these elements will be built ROFAR. I think that until 2020 we have show a sample of the full-scale radar ", - said Vladimir Mikheev.

    According to him, an ultra-wideband signal ROFAR allows you to get virtually the TV picture in the radar range.

    "This radar will allow to have a so-called machine vision. That is, we'll get virtually a TV picture in the radar range, "- said Vladimir Mikheev.

    KRET began laboratory research in the field of radiofotoniki to create radio-optical phased array antenna (ROFAR).



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    Post  Mike E Sat Sep 12, 2015 3:19 pm

    Photonic AESA? Don't know why but I always figured they'd be far off, guess not. 

    The increase in resolution is impressive, very...

    I hate to ask given that there is probably information in this very thread; but is there anyone in Russia working on GaN?
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    Post  magnumcromagnon Sat Sep 12, 2015 4:49 pm

    Mike E wrote:Photonic AESA? Don't know why but I always figured they'd be far off, guess not. 

    The increase in resolution is impressive, very...

    I hate to ask given that there is probably information in this very thread; but is there anyone in Russia working on GaN?

    They announced this back in early May. Here's the original article and my post covering it. 50% decrease in weight and 10-fold increase in resolution are the early working prototypes, this is simply the tip of the iceberg! The mass produced version of ROFAR's will be ready by 2020, and they will see up to 66% decrease in weight, and a several dozen increase in resolution compared to contemporary 1st-gen AESA's, and the PAK-FA's 'Smart Skin' 360° X/L-band AESA suite will likely be one of the first applications of ROFAR's:

    magnumcromagnon wrote:Unbelievable, Viktor and GarryB will love this! Rostec just dropped a bombshell the size of the Tsar Bomba!!! As I already pointed out the strategic importance to develop 'Photonics' (lasers replacing electrons in electronics, a field backed by the Foundation for Strategic Studies). This Rostec article recognizes that the domestic electronics industry is significantly behind the West, and also the strategic importance in jumping ahead of everyone in the field of 'Photonics'. It documents the potential of 'Photonics' when it's fully developed, and the success of KRET developing the field photonics and it's application in radars, with very promising results in the field while it's in it's infancy.


    Some VERY important data points in the article:

    1.) Electronics based on photonics will have decreased the need for 'servers' down to 1/100th the current level, and will increase the data transfer rate by 10 fold!

    2.) When fully mature photonics will allow truck based radars to have the same power, resolution, and capability as massive OTH radars!

    3.) KRET's early work in radiophotonics (photonics based radars) are incredibly promising. Developments in the field while it's in it's infancy allows airborne radars (AEW while based on photonics) weight to be cut down 1/2 the current weight, and increased the resolution by 10 fold!

    4.) Photonic based radars will have it's ECM resistance grow by several orders of magnitude! Will be heavily resistant to electro-magnetic storms...

    5.) By the 2020's photonic based AESA radars will grow by leaps and bounds in capability. The weight of AESA radar will be cut down by 1.5 to 3 times, increase the reliability and efficiency by 2 to 3 times, and increase the scanning speed and resolution by several dozen times that of contemporary AESA radars!

    6.) Photonics can also be effectively applied in housing, for example, in urban and rural heating systems. Instead of hot water energy photons will be used. They will be distributed in photonic crystal fibers with a thickness of human hair, the energy of which is converted into heat with almost 100% efficiency!

    KRET creates a laboratory for research in Photonics

    The group has been developing radar and EW systems based on new technologies

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    In recent years, electronic systems all often replaced on the photon. Linked it in the first turn with a different physical nature of the photon. That same is a photon and what unique capabilities of military technology will provide a new direction – believe that radio Photonics?

    Faster electron

    Photonics is essentially analogue electronics, are used instead of electrons are quanta of the electromagnetic field – photons. These are the most common number of particles in the Universe, unlike electrons, do not have mass and charge. Therefore, photonic systems are not affected by external electromagnetic fields, have much better transmission range and bandwidth of the signal.

    As a field of science Photonics began in 1960 with the invention of the first important technical devices using photons, laser. The very term "Photonics" began to be widely used in the 1980-ies in connection with the beginning of widespread use of optical fiber transmission. By the way, in our country the first development of such fiber optic cables engaged in the design Bureau of the cable industry, now part of KRET.

    We can say that these developments have made a revolution in telecommunications in the last century and became the basis for the development of the Internet. Actually, until about 2001 Photonics was largely focused on the telecommunications.

    Today "telecommunication" Photonics helps in the creation of a new direction – radio Photonics, which arose from the fusion of electronics, wave optics, microwave optoelectronics and other fields of science and industrial production.

    In other words, believe that radio Photonics deals with the problems of transmission, reception and transformation of information by using electromagnetic waves of microwave range and photonic devices and systems. Believe that radio Photonics allows you to create radio frequency devices with the options that are unattainable for traditional electronics.

    Modern radio apparatus moves in the optical range, and ignoring this fact often leads to very serious consequences. For example, initially in the design of information and telecommunication, service and technical networks of the super-Jumbo A380 were not included photonic network. Used aluminum cable, and its length was more than 500 km away. This has led to serious problems on Board the aircraft. For their decision required a full replacement of all cable networks on each side of which was built for the A380. The result – two years of delays and almost 5 billion euros in financial losses, and the largest Corporation narrowly escaped financial collapse.

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    Radiophony breakthrough

    In microelectronics Russia, as you know, behind the Western countries. It is through technologies in the field of radio Photonics invited to compete. Today Russian scientists in the sphere of defense technologies consider it impossible to give up electrons and to pay attention to the photons which have no mass and fly faster.

    According to experts, servers, operating on the principles of Photonics, decreased a hundred times compared to the current, and the data transfer rate would be increased tenfold.

    Or, for example, a ground radar station. Today, this radar is a multi-storey building, but if you start to believe that radio Photonics work, then the station can be installed on a conventional truck. The efficiency and range will be exactly the same – thousands of kilometers. Several mobile and small complexes can be combined into a network, which will increase characteristics of these radars.


    Believe that radio Photonics instead of electronics

    Photonic technologies will significantly expand the capabilities and airborne radars. New developments in this area more than twice reduce the weight of existing antennas and radars, tenfold increase their resolution. Also radiophonic antennas will be a unique resistance to electromagnetic pulses, which occur, for example, during close lightning strikes or when solar magnetic storms.

    All this will create a broadband radars that level of resolution and speed can be called radar vision. Such system is also planned in the civil sphere, for example, on high-speed trains for instant detection of obstacles on the tracks.

    Photonics can also be effectively applied in housing, for example, in urban and rural heating systems. Instead of hot water energy will act photons. They will be distributed in photonic crystal fibers with a thickness of human hair, the energy of which is converted into heat with almost 100% efficiency.

    Laboratory of the future

    In Russia radiophonie technology develops KRET. Today, the group and the Foundation for advanced studies working on a promising project "Development of active phased array-based radio Photonics" (ROPAR). The project includes the creation of a special laboratory on the basis of the Concern and the development of universal technology, which will be the basis for radar and electronic warfare systems for the new generation.

    According to KRET CEO Nikolai Kolesov, the latest technology will allow in 2020 to create an effective and advanced transmitting / receiving apparatus, radar, electronic intelligence and electronic countermeasures of the new generation.

    One of the main areas of work will be the creation of an active phased array (AESA) of the new generation, in which the main elements were created using the principles of radio Photonics. They will reduce the weight of the system is 1.5-3 times increase in 2-3 times the reliability and efficiency, as well as dozens of times to increase the scanning speed and resolution.


    If successful, the technology will open up new opportunities for improving the "smart skin" that will be on the Russian aircraft of the latest generation, including the PAK FA. Such a system of built-in elements throughout the area of the fuselage will allow the crew to get in any time solid radar picture within a radius of 360 degrees, will provide for the operation of antenna systems in active and passive radar, raising all kinds of noise, secretive and noise-immune data transmission, communication with the ground and other aircraft, hoopsnake and more.

    In addition, on the basis of new materials and elements, created on the basis of the principles of Photonics, KRET will learn the advanced technologies of high-power photodetectors and semiconductor laser modules.

    KRET creates a laboratory for research in the field of photonics

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    Post  flamming_python Sat Sep 12, 2015 6:46 pm

    Ya ya.

    I did my dissertation on a computer architecture that would among other things be able to transmit data between components as photons rather than relying on electrons/

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