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    Post  Indian Flanker on Wed Mar 05, 2014 3:56 am

    collegeboy16 wrote:Thrust vectoring nozzles should cover the lack of canards me thinkso
    Indeed. And the TVC of Su-35S is more advance than the TVC of MKI. But will it improve the pitch, yaw, roll rate when compared with highly unstable canard equipped flankers like Su-30MKI or Su-37 Terminator, that is the real question?

    I think Sukhoi deliberately left it to reduce the RCS of Su-35S, trying to make it more closer to the 5th gen planes and the eurocanards. For dogfighting, a canard equipped fighter plane is still better as it is more unstable by design , IMO.


    Su-34 is not designed for dogfighting, so I think we should leave it in this discussion.

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    Post  Y2J on Fri Mar 28, 2014 8:42 am

    Viktor wrote:
    chenzhao wrote:Rafale is best choice for Indian Air Force to replace obsolescent MIG-21s .Rafale has AESA radar, low radar RCS features ,  it is far better than Pakistan's JF-17 and F-16 fighter. It is not cheap, but I believe India's rapid growing economy could afford it.

    Perhaps but the thing is that India could for the same amount of money (30 bin $) buy 250 MIG-35 and 40 Antey-2500 and Im sure Russia would add few Amour 1650 for free  Very Happy 

    Their choice.
    but u can not compare mig-35 with rafale.

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    Post  Viktor on Fri Mar 28, 2014 8:57 am

    Y2J wrote:
    Viktor wrote:
    chenzhao wrote:Rafale is best choice for Indian Air Force to replace obsolescent MIG-21s .Rafale has AESA radar, low radar RCS features ,  it is far better than Pakistan's JF-17 and F-16 fighter. It is not cheap, but I believe India's rapid growing economy could afford it.

    Perhaps but the thing is that India could for the same amount of money (30 bin $) buy 250 MIG-35 and 40 Antey-2500 and Im sure Russia would add few Amour 1650 for free  Very Happy 

    Their choice.
    but u can not compare mig-35 with rafale.

    Of course you can, why wouldn`t you?

    And than there is a numer game ....

    40 Antey-2500 and 250 MIG-35 VS 120 Rafale  Laughing Laughing Laughing 

    Decision is obvious and MIG-35 is a perhaps even better plane than Rafale or perhaps Rafale is something better but thats just shades

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    Post  Indian Flanker on Fri Mar 28, 2014 10:30 pm

    TR1 wrote:MiG-29SMT is not in the same field as Rafale.

    MiG-35 wasn't ready, wasn't technically as impressive, and they wanted a Western supplier. I think the latter part is stupid, but it is their Air Force.

    Today's MIG-35 is STILL not ready in any case.

    The only issue with Rafale is the price, and the fact that the MMRCA outgrew itself wildly.
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    Another blatant yet true answer.


    But yes, the only sticking point now is the price of Rafale. I think we now must wait for the next government. If BJP(pro-Russia) comes to power, who knows India may buy 50 Mig-35s and 50 Su-35S(instead of uber-expensive Rafales). However, if Congress(pro-US) continues to remain in power, then the Rafale deal will go throgh AT ANY COST.


    Now the question, what could that cost be?

    Well, there are some talks(and pressure from pro-US groups back home) of India pulling out of FGFA JV with Russia, because they don't have enought money for both MRCA and FGFA programmes to fructify. I think US has offfered India the sale of F-35s as part of the longer picture. Hope that's not the case.

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    Post  GarryB on Sat Mar 29, 2014 1:23 am

    Rafale is best choice for Indian Air Force to replace obsolescent MIG-21s .Rafale has AESA radar, low radar RCS features , it is far better than Pakistan's JF-17 and F-16 fighter. It is not cheap, but I believe India's rapid growing economy could afford it.

    Rafale would be a silly choice to replace Mig-21s... in anyones air Force.

    MiG-29SMT is not in the same field as Rafale.

    No it is not, but if the job is to fly in under cover of heavy CAP from Su-30MKI and FFGA and drop a laser guided bomb on a target then Mig-29SMT will do it much cheaper than any Eurocanard could.

    Today's MIG-35 is STILL not ready in any case.

    Rafale isn't in service with India either so that point is moot.

    The only issue with Rafale is the price, and the fact that the MMRCA outgrew itself wildly.

    When your cheap stopgap medium fighter starts to cost rather more than your standard heavy fighter ( Su-30MKI ) or even your new stealth fighter (FFGA) then it becomes a real issue.

    In terms of value for money the Rafale is becoming rather like an F-35...

    but u can not compare mig-35 with rafale.

    Of course you can... what do you think the MMRCA program was all about?

    But yes, the only sticking point now is the price of Rafale. I think we now must wait for the next government. If BJP(pro-Russia) comes to power, who knows India may buy 50 Mig-35s and 50 Su-35S(instead of uber-expensive Rafales). However, if Congress(pro-US) continues to remain in power, then the Rafale deal will go throgh AT ANY COST.

    Putting nationalism aside does India really need a stopgap fighter that might start entering service a few years before its FFGA and be totally different enough to warrant specialist training for ground and air crews to service and fly the thing.

    I mean I understood a while back where there were ground attack aircraft like Jaguar and Mig-27 and also medium fighters... Mig-29s and M2000s and light cheap numbers fighters... Mig-21.... and heavy fighters... Su-30MKI.

    Well now there is Tejas for light fighters... replace Mig-21s and light attack aircraft... they have upgraded the Mig-29s, they are buying Rafales and FFGAs and there is a future medium 5th gen fighter they are working on.

    Personally I would think dropping the Rafale and putting that money into expanding the capabilities of Tejas and increasing production to allow it to perform a range of roles and expand into the light and lower medium role... an extra 200 odd Mig-29M2s to fill the proper medium weight class and then the heavy Su-30 and FFGA aircraft to fill out the force.

    The Rafale is an excellent aircraft with lots of interesting capabilities, but at the end of the day it duplicates a lot of existing capabilities and adds unnecessary complication.


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    Post  Indian Flanker on Mon Mar 31, 2014 6:07 am


    NEW DELHI: With the UPA-II's tenure coming to an end, France had wanted India to sign a pact to provide government guarantee for completion of negotiation for 126 fighter aircraft with Dassault company but defence minister A K Antony has refused to do so.

    France, whose company Dassault has been shortlisted for supplying the multi-role medium combat Rafale aircraft, had proposed the signing of the agreement apparently to ensure that negotiations for the multi-billion dollar deal do not get affected if a different party comes to power after the Lok Sabha elections.

    "The French side wanted government guarantee to the negotiations," sources said.

    Antony, however, refused to sign such an agreement, arguing that governmental guarantee cannot be provided as negotiations were still underway, they said.

    The defence ministry is still negotiating the price and terms and conditions of the contract with the French firm Dassault Aviation, whose Rafale combat aircraft was selected as the lowest bidder two years ago for supplying 126 warplanes.

    Antony had recently ordered that the process to arrive at the lowest bidder in the multi-vendor tender be reviewed after completion of the whole procedure involved in the procurement as questions had been raised over it.

    The two sides are trying to tackle the issue of life cycle costs (LCC) relating to Rafale.

    "There are complaints about the procedure of calculating the life cycle cost and that issue is not yet settled. Before bringing the deal to the Cabinet Committee on Security for final approval, we would like to get clear on that aspect," he had said.

    As per the Indian defence procedure, the firms offering lowest prices and meeting the requirements of the respective services are given the contract and in this deal to procure 126 combat aircraft, LCC has been taken into view to determine the lowest bidder.

    Senior BJP leader and former finance minister Yashwant Sinha has written to Antony raising a number of questions over the "conceptual shift" in the defence procurement policy and expressed fears that LCC concept may bring in corruption.

    http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/india/Rafale-deal-Antony-refuses-govt-guarantee-to-France/articleshow/32965491.cms

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    Post  AlfaT8 on Mon Mar 31, 2014 6:25 am

    Indian Flanker wrote:

    NEW DELHI: With the UPA-II's tenure coming to an end, France had wanted India to sign a pact to provide government guarantee for completion of negotiation for 126 fighter aircraft with Dassault company but defence minister A K Antony has refused to do so.

    France, whose company Dassault has been shortlisted for supplying the multi-role medium combat Rafale aircraft, had proposed the signing of the agreement apparently to ensure that negotiations for the multi-billion dollar deal do not get affected if a different party comes to power after the Lok Sabha elections.

    "The French side wanted government guarantee to the negotiations," sources said.

    Antony, however, refused to sign such an agreement, arguing that governmental guarantee cannot be provided as negotiations were still underway, they said.

    The defence ministry is still negotiating the price and terms and conditions of the contract with the French firm Dassault Aviation, whose Rafale combat aircraft was selected as the lowest bidder two years ago for supplying 126 warplanes.

    Antony had recently ordered that the process to arrive at the lowest bidder in the multi-vendor tender be reviewed after completion of the whole procedure involved in the procurement as questions had been raised over it.

    The two sides are trying to tackle the issue of life cycle costs (LCC) relating to Rafale.

    "There are complaints about the procedure of calculating the life cycle cost and that issue is not yet settled. Before bringing the deal to the Cabinet Committee on Security for final approval, we would like to get clear on that aspect," he had said.

    As per the Indian defence procedure, the firms offering lowest prices and meeting the requirements of the respective services are given the contract and in this deal to procure 126 combat aircraft, LCC has been taken into view to determine the lowest bidder.

    Senior BJP leader and former finance minister Yashwant Sinha has written to Antony raising a number of questions over the "conceptual shift" in the defence procurement policy and expressed fears that LCC concept may bring in corruption.

    http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/india/Rafale-deal-Antony-refuses-govt-guarantee-to-France/articleshow/32965491.cms

    So basically there saying, "if you want guarantees, than you might want to lower your price a tad" this is hilarious.  Razz 

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    Post  flamming_python on Mon Mar 31, 2014 9:22 am

    India drives a hard bargain.
    Loves making those Frenchies sweat.

    But then again, France shouldn't have their price set so high on their fighters in the first place. That's just asking for trouble.

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    Post  Indian Flanker on Tue Apr 01, 2014 7:43 am


    France and India are fully on track to seal the deal for the around $20 billion MMRCA (medium multi-role combat aircraft) project, under which IAF will acquire 126 Rafale fighter jets, French ambassador Francios Richier said.

    "Negotiations have recently achieved significant progress. We are looking to sign the intergovernmental agreement together with the commercial contract for the planes," said Richier, speaking exclusively to TOI.

    Reacting to recent reports that France had asked the Indian government to sign a government guarantee to safeguard the negotiations for the fighters, Richier denied that any such agreement was asked for. "We have worked very closely with all Indian governments, so we have no reason to ask for such an agreement," he said.

    The final MMRCA contract is expected to be inked by the next government that comes to office in May-June after the general elections. Even the ongoing French Scorpene project, under which six submarines are being built at Mazagon Docks, was eventually signed by the UPA-1 government in October 2005 despite the bulk of its negotiations taking place under the previous NDA regime.

    "We are confident about the progress in the negotiation process (for the MMRCA project)," said Richier. Though the pace of the final negotiations has been glacial since the Rafale was finally selected over its rivals in January 2012, the IAF is also now quite hopeful that the contract with French aviation major Dassault will be inked in the 2014-2015 fiscal.

    Dassault and Hindustan Aeronautics Ltd (HAL) finalized the MMRCA work-share agreement in February, under which the Indian defence PSU will have a 70% role, after months of bitter wrangling. Under the MMRCA project, while the first 18 jets will come in "fly-away condition", HAL is to manufacture the rest 108 fighters under licence over six years.

    "Now that issues like work-share, warranty and liquidity damages have been resolved, the responsibility matrix of all Indian production agencies is being finalized. Once that is done, the draft contract will be readied for the final government clearance," said a source.

    Eurofighter Typhoon as well as the US fighters that lost out in the long-drawn selection process are eagerly waiting in the wings in the hope of staging a comeback in the dogfight over the world's biggest such tender.

    But there seems little possibility of that happening now, with India having invested almost a decade in finally selecting the Rafale after extensive technical and commercial evaluation. Down to just 34 fighter squadrons at present when it requires at least 44, IAF is banking upon the MMRCA project to retain its combat edge against adversaries.


    Defence News - Deal for 126 Rafale fighters close to being signed
    http://www.defencenews.in/defence-news-internal.aspx?id=bZvEYGvnx/M=

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    Post  Hannibal Barca on Tue Apr 01, 2014 10:20 am

    I just can't see how Dassault can produce 120 planes. It will take forever for this delivery to be made and with certain overcosts.
    As for the plane itself I expressed my opinion long time ago. It would have been an excellent plane during the 90s, now it's already old stuff and is not expected to be replaced by the French industry in this.... century. It just took too long this R&D process. There is simply no point to order this plane now, when you receive it 10 years from now there will be a dozen 5th generation planes. Also the price is ludicrous, it should have half the cost to be competitive. The sole reason Rafale is semi-decent competitor is because US aviation simply dying, European is virtually non existent, emerged countries are yet not ready for domestic production and Russian aviation industry is still healing it's wounds.

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    Post  GarryB on Tue Apr 01, 2014 5:44 pm

    India drives a hard bargain.
    Loves making those Frenchies sweat.

    To be fair the Indians are probably trying to work out how their 10 billion dollar competition to find a new medium fighter for their air force resulted in an aircraft that was supposed to be the lowest bidder yet is now costing twice as much as it was supposed to...

    It seems the French are expert at smoke and mirrors... buy our plane because it is the cheapest and then double the price and wonder why they wont sign to guarantee the purchase...


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    Post  Indian Flanker on Tue Apr 01, 2014 9:18 pm

    Even I'm pained by this obsession of Rafale that IAF seems to have. They could have bought 300+ Mig-35s with AESA radar, 3D TVC, and all other fancy stuff for much less the price they are paying.


    Having said that, one side of me is also happy that India is going to get this wonderful li'l French stormy bird known as Rafale. We all knew after the Kargil war that our next MCA is going to be French(and many guessed it was going to be Rafale- and how right they're!). So except this eye-watering price, I am happy with this deal. Rafale will give India a great strategic advantage over Pakistan in near future(we may need to bomb their terror based camps in PAK occupied Kashmir- so Rafale with SPECTRA would be a perfect fit in that scenario, if we decide not to use cruise missiles).


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    Post  GarryB on Wed Apr 02, 2014 2:57 am

    The M2K is a good aircraft but I really don't see the logic that says the Rafale is better than the Mig-35.

    At the time the M2K was better at strike than the Mig-29, but the model Mig-29 was not designed as a multirole aircraft.

    I just can't see how Dassault can produce 120 planes.

    Have they changed that part of the contract too?

    I thought the contract was for 16 foreign built aircraft and the remaining aircraft to be locally built.


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    Post  TR1 on Wed Apr 02, 2014 3:11 am

    Rafale is France's primary fighter, that's why. It is well developed and funded.

    Russia is buying MiG-35 to support MiG. The plane's development is years behind schedule (as evidence by the latest SMT buy), and does not enjoy nearly the same priority or financial blessing as the Rafale.

    They are certainly peers, but I would not find it hard to believe the Rafale overall maybe a more capable bird.

    The Rafale is a newer design, even considering the MiG-35s new gen airframe compared to legacy MiG-29s...they still did not start from a clean slate like the French.
    Doesn't mean the 35 is uncompetitive, but nonetheless....

    If MiG had the 1/3rd of the T-50s priority, they would have flown that MiG-35 model we saw (bigger wings, tail, more pylons) several years ago and would be producing the bird by now.
    The reality is the plane is still not finished.

    And I would be ashamed to compare Dassault's production facilities with the state that MIG has been driven to.

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    Post  Indian Flanker on Wed Apr 02, 2014 3:39 am

    GarryB wrote:The M2K is a good aircraft but I really don't see the logic that says the Rafale is better than the Mig-35.
    As far as IAF's decision goes, well it ain't about being better(otherwise they might had selected Typhoon), it's more about having/owning a mature product that is in service for quite some time(so that all maintanance problems are well sorted).

    Plus, they didn't want a Russian bird(no matter how capable) as their MCA, as:

    i) They are more impressed with performance/combat readiness/ maintenance of M2K over Mig-29.

    ii) "Don't put all your eggs in one basket" argument(which is as lame as it sounds, lol).

    At the time the M2K was better at strike than the Mig-29, but the model Mig-29 was not designed as a multirole aircraft.
    According to some reports IAF is more satisfied with M2K's maintenance friendly and high combat readiness over Mig-29. That also played a part in the final decision.


    Have they changed that part of the contract too?

    I thought the contract was for 16 foreign built aircraft and the remaining aircraft to be locally built.
    18 to come in fly-away condition from France and rest to be manufactured locally.

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    Post  Indian Flanker on Wed Apr 02, 2014 3:41 am

    TR1 wrote:Rafale is France's primary fighter, that's why. It is well developed and funded.

    Russia is buying MiG-35 to support MiG. The plane's development is years behind schedule (as evidence by the latest SMT buy), and does not enjoy nearly the same priority or financial blessing as the Rafale.

    They are certainly peers, but I would not find it hard to believe the Rafale overall maybe a more capable bird.

    The Rafale is a newer design, even considering the MiG-35s new gen airframe compared to legacy MiG-29s...they still did not start from a clean slate like the French.
    Doesn't mean the 35 is uncompetitive, but nonetheless....

    If MiG had the 1/3rd of the T-50s priority, they would have flown that MiG-35 model we saw (bigger wings, tail, more pylons) several years ago and would be producing the bird by now.
    The reality is the plane is still not finished.

    And I would be ashamed to compare Dassault's production facilities with the state that MIG has been driven to.
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    Post  Indian Flanker on Wed Apr 02, 2014 3:54 am

    @TR1

    Do you think the losses the Migs suffered during the Gulf War by F-15s worked as a bad PR for the entire company and its future? Or it is just that the flankers, especially TVC equipped super-agile flankers made the Mig fighters pretty much redundant?

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    Post  collegeboy16 on Wed Apr 02, 2014 6:28 am

    nah, screw rafale- mig-35 all the way111
    because at the end of the day rafale is still just a medium 4.5 gen bird- no need to pay for FGFA prices.
    its kinda like paying top dollar for an umm, 7-8 chick after getting a perfect 10 chick-doesnt make much sense.
    Oh and did i mention its for sloppy seconds?

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    Post  GarryB on Wed Apr 02, 2014 3:52 pm

    its kinda like paying top dollar for an umm, 7-8 chick after getting a perfect 10 chick-doesnt make much sense.
    Oh and did i mention its for sloppy seconds?

    Hahahaha... can tell you are only young...

    If you are paying for it a 10 will cost you rather more per hour than a 7 or 8... unless she doesn't realise she is a 10.

    Getting a 7 and a 10 means you can take 10 out for dinner and everyone will see you with her and think you must be rich because she is way out of your league, but when you get home and it is time to do the dishes and the laundry and cook the meals paying top dollar for a 10 doesn't make sense.

    Back to aircraft you don't need a 10 for 70% of missions which will just be flying patrol or investigating an unidentified intruder.

    Of course the fundamental problem is that no matter which aircraft you need and use you should not be paying for a 10 when you are getting a 7.

    Rafale is France's primary fighter, that's why. It is well developed and funded.

    And they have nothing to replace it while it still costs more than a 5th gen fighter...

    Russia is buying MiG-35 to support MiG. The plane's development is years behind schedule (as evidence by the latest SMT buy), and does not enjoy nearly the same priority or financial blessing as the Rafale.

    Actually the Rafale was years behind schedule and actually started out as requirement in the late 1970s... with the first technology demonstrator being shown in the mid 1980s... it entered service in 2001.

    They are certainly peers, but I would not find it hard to believe the Rafale overall maybe a more capable bird.

    So much more capable that they are worth twice as much? Would one Rafale really be worth two Mig-35s?

    Sorry, but I very much doubt it.

    The Rafale is a newer design, even considering the MiG-35s new gen airframe compared to legacy MiG-29s...they still did not start from a clean slate like the French.
    Doesn't mean the 35 is uncompetitive, but nonetheless....

    The Rafale design is not younger than the Mig-35... the technology demonstrator for the Mig-29M was shown in 1988... two years after the Rafale prototype.

    If MiG had the 1/3rd of the T-50s priority, they would have flown that MiG-35 model we saw (bigger wings, tail, more pylons) several years ago and would be producing the bird by now.
    The reality is the plane is still not finished.

    Which is perfectly logical... if the PAK FA is a priority then there is no need to make a 4++ generation fighter also a priority... if you don't understand that you need to look up the definition of priority.

    Like the Su-35 has technology that will form the basis of the first model PAK FAs, the Mig-35 incorporates technology that will form the basis of the PAK-LFS.

    And I would be ashamed to compare Dassault's production facilities with the state that MIG has been driven to.

    Excellent point... those high tech production facilities in France that will build the first 16 aircraft will make an excellent job I suspect. However that doesn't mean anything for the remaining aircraft to be built in India... of course at the price they are asking they might only end up buying half what they wanted.

    i) They are more impressed with performance/combat readiness/ maintenance of M2K over Mig-29.

    Made by a company that refused to sell more M2Ks to them, refused to sell manufacturing rights to the M2K to them, and insisted they pay an inflated price for Rafales which before the competition India refused. Now however it seems after wasting every ones time with a clearly pointless competition, they are going to buy the plane they refused to buy before at an even more inflated price.

    ii) "Don't put all your eggs in one basket" argument(which is as lame as it sounds, lol).

    You do if you have never had any broken eggs in that basket before.

    According to some reports IAF is more satisfied with M2K's maintenance friendly and high combat readiness over Mig-29. That also played a part in the final decision.

    Makes you think there must be an international conspiracy... why isn't anyone else other than the French buying these planes? There was a time when the Mirage fighter was everywhere... now they move to super plane Rafale and no one wants it...

    18 to come in fly-away condition from France and rest to be manufactured locally.

    70% locally made... it seems nothing is the same as the original requirements...

    Do you think the losses the Migs suffered during the Gulf War by F-15s worked as a bad PR for the entire company and its future? Or it is just that the flankers, especially TVC equipped super-agile flankers made the Mig fighters pretty much redundant?

    Do you think a Mig-29 downgraded export model flown by an Iraqi pilot is as good as a Mig-21 flown by an Indian pilot in a air exercise with the US?



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    Stand-off in Ukraine hits IAF fleet refit

    Post  IDB on Mon Oct 20, 2014 12:58 am

    New Delhi, Oct. 19:

    Five Indian Air Force planes have been grounded in Ukraine where they had been sent for a refit and upgrade.

    The five Antonov 32 aircraft — the last batch of 40 from the IAF’s fleet of about a 100 — were to be delivered by Ukraine in August.

    The AN32 aircraft is integral to the daily operations of the IAF, transporting troops, materiel and dropping rations and stores at high altitude posts as well as being deployed for search and rescue during natural disasters.

    But Ukraine’s continuing troubles with Russia are now threatening to hit the Indian military hard. The IAF has taken the first blow.

    The upgrade of the aircraft is stuck because Russia has refused to supply some of the components that are to be fitted in the aircraft.



    link : telegraphindia.com/1141020/jsp/nation/story_18944730.jsp#.VESIGPmSzIU

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    Re: Indian Air Force (IAF): News

    Post  IDB on Mon Oct 20, 2014 12:59 am

    We can look at alternatives to look at Russia upgrade these for us if its feasible.

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    India grounds entire Sukhoi-30

    Post  par far on Wed Oct 22, 2014 2:41 pm

    I hope this does not affect India buying arms from Russia in the future pale


    http://www.dnaindia.com/india/report-india-grounds-sukhoi-30-fleet-safety-checks-on-2028330


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    Re: Indian Air Force (IAF): News

    Post  Mike E on Wed Oct 22, 2014 2:44 pm

    par far wrote:I hope this does not affect India buying arms from Russia in the future pale


    http://www.dnaindia.com/india/report-india-grounds-sukhoi-30-fleet-safety-checks-on-2028330

    It shouldn't, or at least I don't expect it... This was just one crash, and they don't even know the cause, coulda' been the pilot for all I care!

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    Re: Indian Air Force (IAF): News

    Post  par far on Wed Oct 22, 2014 2:47 pm

    Mike E wrote:
    par far wrote:I hope this does not affect India buying arms from Russia in the future pale


    http://www.dnaindia.com/india/report-india-grounds-sukhoi-30-fleet-safety-checks-on-2028330

    It shouldn't, or at least I don't expect it... This was just one crash, and they don't even know the cause, coulda' been the pilot for all I care!


    Lets hope that this is a pilot error or one of western countires may be doing this. Russia needs to send in some engineers.

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    Re: Indian Air Force (IAF): News

    Post  sepheronx on Wed Oct 22, 2014 2:53 pm

    Probably not but India has quite the history in jet crashes. Could be a fluke in that aircrafts fly by wire. Doubt it will have any significant findings. Many of these jets are made in India under licensed agreement with HAL so they have the expertise in finding it out.

    They say 9 crashes but thats false, only 4 or 5. As well, its common practice to ground all jets till investigation is thorough. Same pilot for two crashes. Either bad luck or pilot needs more training.

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