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    Post  George1 on Tue May 19, 2015 12:48 pm

    Russia to send expeditions to mysterious Yamal hole in summer



    The opening, some 60 metres in diametre and at least 200 metres deep, was first spotted by helicopter pilots in July 2014, close to the Bovanenkovo oil field

    YEKATERINBURG, May 18. /TASS/. Russian scientists will carry out complex research this summer to explore a giant hole in permafrost discovered last year on the Yamal peninsula of northwest Siberia, Arctic Exploration Centre head Vladimir Pushkarev said on Monday.

    "Several groups of scientists are planning a series of expeditions to the huge Yamal hole," Pushkarev told TASS, adding that the missions would take place in July, August and September.

    Most samples taken from the bottom of the hole last year have already been studied. "The version that the hole has a natural origin is currently a priority," Pushkarev said.

    The opening, some 60 metres in diametre and at least 200 metres deep, was first spotted by helicopter pilots in July 2014, close to the Bovanenkovo oil field. Explanations of the crater's origin range from meteorites to aliens.

    But Academician Valery Melnikov told TASS in November that the hole appeared due to climate change and subsequent release of sub-surface gas trapped in the permafrost.

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    Post  Regular on Thu May 28, 2015 10:24 pm


    Meh, Aliens

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    Post  kvs on Sat May 30, 2015 4:10 pm

    Regular wrote:
    Meh, Aliens

    It's an outer atmosphere rocket probe. You can see the cut out of one set of engines which stops the formation
    of the outer part of the exhaust halo. This probe has many engines and they point at rather significant angles away
    from the flight axis. This gives the multiple gas trails which blend into a single halo.

    This is clearly a man made object. I guess Uncle Sam is not the only one working on prompt global strike devices.

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    Post  George1 on Sat Jun 27, 2015 9:55 am

    Gigantic Black Hole Wakes Up After 26-Year Sleep


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    Post  George1 on Tue Jul 21, 2015 10:01 am

    Stephen Hawking and Yuri Milner Begin $100Mln Search for Alien Life

    British physicist Stephen Hawking and Russian entrepreneur Yuri Milner announced a $100 million 10-year quest to find extraterrestrial life.

    Astrophysicist Stephen Hawking and Russian entrepreneur Yuri Milner announced a new $100 million initiative to search for extraterrestrial life.

    In a live webcast from London, the physicist and the entrepreneur announced their initiative to build the "Breakthrough Listen" initiative which will work with two radiotelescopes, one in Australia and one in the US, to analyze data and offer a $1 million prize for anyone who is able to find evidence of extraterrestrials.

    "There is no bigger question. It's time to commit to finding the answer to search for life beyond earth. The Breakthrough Initiatives are making that commitment. We are life, we are intelligent, we must know," Hawking said.

    Milner is committing $100 million to the project, which would be as much as 100 times more powerful than previous attempts, such as the academic SETI (Search for Extraterrestrial Intelligence) project, according to SETI's director. A tech entrepreneur and a physicist by education, Milner invests in tech ventures in Russia and around the world.

    "In the 21st century we will find out about life at a galactic scale," Milner said.

    "To understand the universe, you must know about atoms, about the forces that bind them, the contours of space and time, the birth and death of stars, the dance of galaxies, the secrets of black holes, but that is not enough," Hawking said.

    Hawking added that the search must answer what he calls the biggest question, the existence of intelligent extraterrestrial life.

    "This idea cannot explain everything. It can explain the light of stars, but not the lights that fly from Planet Earth. To understand this light, you must know about life, about minds. We believe that life arose spontaneously on earth, so in an infinite universe there must be other occurrences of life. Somewhere in the cosmos, perhaps, intelligent life might be watching these lights of ours, wondering what they mean. Or do our lights wonder the lifeless cosmos?" Hawking added.

    Read more: http://sputniknews.com/science/20150720/1024833396.html#ixzz3gVxR1Yk3


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    Post  GarryB on Tue Jul 21, 2015 11:46 am

    George1 wrote:Gigantic Black Hole Wakes Up After 26-Year Sleep

    ???

    Seems odd that it would sleep... perhaps it was pointing side on to is companion and so the material being sucked in created gamma ray energy that was directed away from us and we just did not pick it up....


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    Post  George1 on Thu Jul 23, 2015 8:29 am

    NASA Hints It's Found Another Earth


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    Post  Cowboy's daughter on Sun Jul 26, 2015 3:42 am

    George1 wrote:Russia to send expeditions to mysterious Yamal hole in summer



    The opening, some 60 metres in diametre and at least 200 metres deep, was first spotted by helicopter pilots in July 2014, close to the Bovanenkovo oil field

    YEKATERINBURG, May 18. /TASS/. Russian scientists will carry out complex research this summer to explore a giant hole in permafrost discovered last year on the Yamal peninsula of northwest Siberia, Arctic Exploration Centre head Vladimir Pushkarev said on Monday.

    "Several groups of scientists are planning a series of expeditions to the huge Yamal hole," Pushkarev told TASS, adding that the missions would take place in July, August and September.

    Most samples taken from the bottom of the hole last year have already been studied. "The version that the hole has a natural origin is currently a priority," Pushkarev said.

    The opening, some 60 metres in diametre and at least 200 metres deep, was first spotted by helicopter pilots in July 2014, close to the Bovanenkovo oil field. Explanations of the crater's origin range from meteorites to aliens.

    But Academician Valery Melnikov told TASS in November that the hole appeared due to climate change and subsequent release of sub-surface gas trapped in the permafrost.

    I wonder if this is just a big sinkhole, from oil field drilling> We have some big sinkholes in Texas from drilling.

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    Post  kvs on Sun Jul 26, 2015 4:08 am

    Cowboy's daughter wrote:
    George1 wrote:Russia to send expeditions to mysterious Yamal hole in summer



    The opening, some 60 metres in diametre and at least 200 metres deep, was first spotted by helicopter pilots in July 2014, close to the Bovanenkovo oil field

    YEKATERINBURG, May 18. /TASS/. Russian scientists will carry out complex research this summer to explore a giant hole in permafrost discovered last year on the Yamal peninsula of northwest Siberia, Arctic Exploration Centre head Vladimir Pushkarev said on Monday.

    "Several groups of scientists are planning a series of expeditions to the huge Yamal hole," Pushkarev told TASS, adding that the missions would take place in July, August and September.

    Most samples taken from the bottom of the hole last year have already been studied. "The version that the hole has a natural origin is currently a priority," Pushkarev said.

    The opening, some 60 metres in diametre and at least 200 metres deep, was first spotted by helicopter pilots in July 2014, close to the Bovanenkovo oil field. Explanations of the crater's origin range from meteorites to aliens.

    But Academician Valery Melnikov told TASS in November that the hole appeared due to climate change and subsequent release of sub-surface gas trapped in the permafrost.

    I wonder if this is just a big sinkhole, from oil field drilling> We have some big sinkholes in Texas from drilling.

    In this case it is a natural phenomenon. The Yamal has natural gas slowly seeping to the surface over long periods of time. This gas
    forms methane hydrates in the permafrost zone. Methane hydrates are unstable and the recent warming in the region has caused them
    to dissociate explosively (no actual fire, just release of CH4 and a massive volume expansion) in several locations. Around this particular
    crater you could see a ring of debris which was ejected from the interior.

    There was no drilling activity in this particular area, but previous drilling has encountered methane hydrates. This has
    produced blowouts in the past. There has been some confusion that these holes are a type of pingo, but this is clearly
    not the case.

    http://www.coolgeography.co.uk/A-level/AQA/Year%2012/Cold%20environs/Periglaciation/Periglacial%20landforms.htm

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    Post  GarryB on Sun Jul 26, 2015 8:59 am

    I heard they were methane eruptions, and also that while plenty planned to go and explore them they are now filled with water... which will make exploration much more difficult.


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    Post  kvs on Sun Jul 26, 2015 7:30 pm

    GarryB wrote:I heard they were methane eruptions, and also that while plenty planned to go and explore them they are now filled with water... which will make exploration much more difficult.

    Dissociating clathrates (methane hydrates) release a huge amount of methane.

    One litre of fully saturated methane clathrate solid would ... contain about 120 grams of methane (or around 169 litres of methane gas at 0 °C and 1 atm)

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Methane_clathrate

    People haven't been around to observe these events directly so it is not known if there is any spontaneous combustion. The
    concentration of CH4 released is the fuel-air explosive range so a spark from something (e.g. electrostatic discharge) could
    produce a rather huge explosion. But there is enough CH4 pressure to produce these holes without detonation.

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    Post  GarryB on Mon Jul 27, 2015 11:27 am

    That is a shtload of methane... and methane is 20 times more potent a greenhouse gas than CO2... it degrades over time in the atmosphere... into CO2.

    I remember reading an article that talked about tipping points... rather than gradual changes in temperature once a specific temperature is reached large storages of methane and other gases are released... which accelerates the process of temperature change... in the deltas of most rivers around the world there is rotting vegetation that has been washed down the river and into the sea and has sunk to the bottom and become trapped where it continues to rot and form material like limestone and other materials full of methane and CO2. Warming temperatures means such reservoirs are released, which increases warming and leads to more releases...


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    Sergey Ananov, Russian helicopter pilot missing in Davis Strait, found alive

    Post  Cowboy's daughter on Mon Jul 27, 2015 6:20 pm

    Sergey Ananov, Russian helicopter pilot missing in Davis Strait, found alive
    Canadian Forces JRCC tweets pilot on world flight was found on floe after leaving Iqaluit

    CBC News Posted: Jul 27, 2015 7:16 AM AT Last Updated: Jul 27, 2015 12:51 PM AT

    Pretty neat story.

    http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/nova-scotia/sergey-ananov-russian-helicopter-pilot-missing-in-davis-strait-found-alive-1.3168690?cmp=rss

    A Russian helicopter pilot who went missing during the Iqaluit-to-Greenland portion of a trip around the world was down to his last flare when he was found on a floe in the Davis Strait this morning.

    Sergey Ananov, who left Moscow in mid-June, was travelling to Greenland in a Robinson R-22 helicopter after fuelling up in Iqaluit when the Canadian Forces Joint Rescue Co-ordination Centre received information about a missing helicopter Saturday morning.
    Sergey Ananov 1




    Russian pilot Sergey Ananov was attempting to fly around the world, after leaving Moscow in mid-June, but went missing on the weekend during the Iqaluit-to-Greenland portion. He was found on an ice floe in Davis Strait, Joint Task Force Atlantic tweeted early Monday. (John Van Dusen/CBC News)

    "It couldn't have been a more austere area of the planet to be in the Davis Strait between Baffin Island and Greenland. It's a pretty rough terrain, a lot of ice in it," said Rear Admiral John Newton.

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    Post  Werewolf on Mon Jul 27, 2015 7:30 pm

    Bad decision to buy Robinson helicopters, they are among the least reliable and among most prone to malfunctions and crashes.


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    Post  Morpheus Eberhardt on Tue Jul 28, 2015 10:53 am

    Werewolf wrote:Bad decision to buy Robinson helicopters, they are among the least reliable and among most prone to malfunctions and crashes.


    X2.

    Every time there is a helicopter crash, it "involves" a Robinson unless proven otherwise.

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    Post  Werewolf on Tue Jul 28, 2015 5:06 pm

    Morpheus Eberhardt wrote:
    Werewolf wrote:Bad decision to buy Robinson helicopters, they are among the least reliable and among most prone to malfunctions and crashes.


    X2.

    Every time there is a helicopter crash, it "involves" a Robinson unless proven otherwise.

    The among two highest crash rates are among Robinson R-22/44 or AS350 Eurocopter.

    Robbinson have a very high tendency for mast bumping which is a bad designed helicopter to reduce the costs for this civilian purposed helicopter for private customers with low budgets.

    similiar bad designs we could see on old UH-1 and AH-1 with the very lose rotorhead which were prone for mast bumping, several occassians were mast bumping would be so severe that rotors would snap into tail or cockpit. AH-1Z has a very good rotor arrangement and has increased not only survivability and safety but also performance and maximized limits of how the it can behave in hard pullings.

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    Post  George1 on Thu Aug 13, 2015 12:42 am

    Scientists Say They’ve Located the Best Place to Find Ancient Life on Mars

    Researchers have found what is believed to be the youngest lake on Mars, challenging our previous knowledge of the Red Planet, and presenting the best place yet to search for ancient alien life.
    As NASA considers the possibility of a manned mission to the Mars, it may, first, send another lifeform: microscopic bacteria which could biologically engineer the planet’s ecosystem, making it more habitable.

    It’s a long held belief by scientists that despite its barren surface today, Mars used to be submerged under vast oceans billions of years ago. Then, at what scientists estimate to be 3.7 to 3.8 billion years ago, the planet’s atmosphere was swept up into space, taking with it all the remaining bodies of liquid water.

    But a new research study published in the journal Geology uncovered a basin that may have housed a body of water 36 million years ago — a full 200 million years after scientists believe Mars had seen its last drop of liquid water.

    Since water is the basic ingredient for life, the new finding not only challenges previously held assumptions about the Red Planet, but also provides a new basis to search for evidence of life.

    The findings came from a study of salt deposits in an 18-square-mile area near the Martian equator, about 100 miles from NASA’s Opportunity rover landing site.

    “Just like on Earth, when salts are left somewhere, that probable means that water was there,” Brian Hynek, lead author of the study, told the Business Insider. "So these are indicators that water was there in some form."

    In order to figure out how long ago the body of water had been there, and how much of it was there, the researchers had to investigate the age and origin of the salt deposits next. To do so, they had to count the number of impact craters and measure their size across the region.

    With images taken by NASA’s Mars Reconnaissance Orbiter, which has been orbiting the planet since 2006, the research team used digital terrain mapping and mineralogical analysis of the areas surrounding the basin to determine its age. The evidence presented in the analysis suggested that the lake flowing through the basin grew large enough to overflow it, and eventually created channels.

    As they traced these channels, the team found that they flowed over volcanic plains estimated to be 3.6 billion years old, thus indicating that the lakes themselves must be younger.

    "Having a later stage of water on Mars is probably a good thing for the potential for life on that planet because it gave life more time to be conceived," Hykes noted, explaining the significance of their findings. "There was life on Earth when this lake was active so by that analogy, we can say there’s potential that Mars had microbial life and this was a great place where it could have resided."

    More importantly, the scientists hope that these latest findings will make the basin a prospective touchdown site for the NASA Mars rover that is slated to launch in 2020.

    Hynek believes that the site’s existence raises several key questions that could potentially shape the future search for ancient Martian life.

    "That is the million dollar question. Did Mars ever have life?" he said. "If it did, was it like Earth’s life or was it some totally different life form? At least, all life on Earth needs water. This is one of the key requirements and here is a place fairly late-stage in Mars’ history where there was water around."

    Read more: http://sputniknews.com/science/20150812/1025681070.html#ixzz3ieAImqAp


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    Post  George1 on Fri Aug 21, 2015 12:53 am

    Mammoth Task: Cloning of Extinct Animals Could Be a Huge Ethical Problem


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    Post  kvs on Fri Aug 21, 2015 2:47 am

    http://www.nature.com/news/giant-virus-resurrected-from-30-000-year-old-ice-1.14801

    Giant virus resurrected from 30,000-year-old ice

    Largest virus yet discovered hints at viral diversity trapped in permafrost.



    People were worried about bringing alien pathogens from any Mars sample return mission. We are releasing
    "new" viral species from the permafrost.

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    Dear god. Did it spread too far? Wilfred Brimley was right in what he was supposed to do.

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    Post  kvs on Fri Aug 21, 2015 3:07 am

    This one is a specialist and attacks amoeba. But the key thing is that there are virus variants that have "disappeared" from
    active life trapped in the permafrost. What if there is some nasty virus that targets mammals? This possibility is actually
    more likely than unlikely. Just as with the influenza pandemic of 1918, it is the incremental DNA/RNA difference from that sampled
    by humans via yearly infections that is bad news. Some flu species trapped in the ice could bring a disaster.

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    Post  magnumcromagnon on Fri Aug 21, 2015 3:30 am

    kvs wrote:This one is a specialist and attacks amoeba.   But the key thing is that there are virus variants that have "disappeared" from
    active life trapped in the permafrost.   What if there is some nasty virus that targets mammals?    This possibility is actually
    more likely than unlikely.   Just as with the influenza pandemic of 1918, it is the incremental DNA/RNA difference from that sampled
    by humans via yearly infections that is bad news.   Some flu species trapped in the ice could bring a disaster.

    There's already infectious diseases killing millions of people a year, a lot of them easily preventable...just like millions of starvation deaths a year, but so long as their mostly contained in the non-Western world, you won't actually see in any real progress. The West prefers to make an entity like USAID into a regime change operation, instead of actually being used for it's intended purpose.

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    Post  kvs on Fri Aug 21, 2015 3:56 am

    magnumcromagnon wrote:
    kvs wrote:This one is a specialist and attacks amoeba.   But the key thing is that there are virus variants that have "disappeared" from
    active life trapped in the permafrost.   What if there is some nasty virus that targets mammals?    This possibility is actually
    more likely than unlikely.   Just as with the influenza pandemic of 1918, it is the incremental DNA/RNA difference from that sampled
    by humans via yearly infections that is bad news.   Some flu species trapped in the ice could bring a disaster.

    There's already infectious diseases killing millions of people a year, a lot of them easily preventable...just like millions of starvation deaths a year, but so long as their mostly contained in the non-Western world, you won't actually see in any real progress. The West prefers to make an entity like USAID into a regime change operation, instead of actually being used for it's intended purpose.

    But most of these deaths are not due to the virulence of the disease.

    The fact is that little has changed from the days of fiefs extracting their wealth on the backs of their serfs. The
    system got more fancy at obscuring the links, but to have rich people you need millions of poor. Yeah, I know, this
    is blasphemy. But most of the colonies remained colonies after their "liberation" and that is where the millions of
    starving and disease afflicted poor are. The only reason there were colonies in the first place was because the elites
    wanted more money.

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