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    Re: Venezuela crisis

    Post  miketheterrible on Sun Aug 06, 2017 10:26 pm

    Apparently the guy involved was some traitor who defected to the US a few years ago. Guess he came back with some citizens who all dressed up as military and attacked a base. They were quickly quelled but the military is now on patrol with even tanks.
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    Re: Venezuela crisis

    Post  kvs on Sun Aug 06, 2017 11:32 pm

    George1 wrote:well i dont support any kind of coup but i dont consider Maduro's Assembly election was sth constitutional

    Does playing air apply under conditions of foreign meddling to instigate regime change. I consider emergency measures to be legitimate
    and constitutions are much like used toilet paper in spite of all the reverence they get.
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    Re: Venezuela crisis

    Post  ATLASCUB on Sun Aug 13, 2017 11:35 pm

    From an intelligence perspective we have watched in my seven months in office a continued deterioration. Maduro is continuing to assert more power, inflict more pain on the people of Venezuela, you can see the beginning of fissures among various groups. What I believe the president is trying to accomplish this week was to give the Venezuelan people hope and opportunity to create a situation where democracy can be restored. The intelligence makes very clear that the Maduro regime continues to put snipers in towers and do things that are horrible, repressive and the American policy is to work with our Latin American partners to try and restore democracy.

    Venezuela could very much become a risk for the United States of America. The Cubans are there; the Russians are there, the Iranians, Hezbollah are there. This is something that has a risk of getting to a very very bad place, so America needs to take this very seriously.”

    Of course it's. Latin American states breaking away from the plantation is a threat to American hegemony. Russian/Chinese companies along with Venezuela's PDVSA controlling Venezuela's energy business is a threat to the petro-dollar as well. Rosneft expansion is a MAJOR threat to Exxon too since its tentacles are far reaching now....plus a great many things in the realm of geopolitics and economics when it comes to Venezuela. The new wave of neoliberals in Brazil/Argentina won't last more than a decade tops and everyone knows it. It's do or die now...

    CIA Director Mike Pompeo: Iran, Hezbollah Are in Venezuela

    As for snipers in buildings....where have I seen that before?

    I like this new CIA head. He talks a lot and projects a lot with his comments...

    Everyone is in Venezuela......including America's vassel states in the region (extensive list)/Europe (Spain/France/Germany)/Middle-East=Israel/Saudi Arabia.

    Edit: more on RT's article:

    We are very hopeful that there can be a transition in Venezuela and we the CIA is doing its best to understand the dynamic there, so that we can communicate to our State Department and to others.”

    Hehe...
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    Re: Venezuela crisis

    Post  nomadski on Mon Aug 14, 2017 4:53 pm

    Make America great again . Like great Britania . The hemmpire . I still get goose pimply , thinking about the greatness of the great great British ( American ) hemmpire ! Quick get me an excuse ! A pretext . I need another medal . And you need your profits . What? There isn't one ? Don't be stupid . There is always a pretext . Just say that guy over there , what's his name , got bad fashion sense . Needs a makeover . Remember make America great again ........

    It is a habitual thing . The culture of imperialism , can not be negotiated with . It is not amenable to dialogue . It will not be satisfied with less . It will absolutely not stop . Until he has it all . Or nothing . Like a habitual gambler in Las Vegas casino .

    So they want to start a war with Korea and Venezuela and China and Iran and .........simultaneously ? What a wonderful idea . But oooops ! They know now ! They may not attack simultaneously . Darned ! We may just have to make sure that they do . Yes you need balls for this . But what is the alternative ? Being picked off one by one ? I think Kim and ....and ....and ........need to see each other . Arrange for a musketeer pact . One for all ........and you know the rest . A simultaneous defence against the yank . Help make America great again . The greatest fail in the world . Now where is that phone ? .........

    The yanks pick on people . One by one . At a time of weakness . Internal political turmoil . An opportunity . They then get the other bullies , their mates ( NATO allies ) to join in . To beat up on the little guy . Why don't we make a military defence pact ? Of all the non aligned nations . Give it a snazzy name .Like : NAMTO ! The non aligned military treaty organisations .

    Not everyone has nukes to deter yanks . So yanks simply use superior conventional forces to bully smaller nations . But pooling resources and acting together . Will nullify their advantage . Good on Venezuela to carry out defensive maneuvers . Perhaps others can join in and carry out simultaneous maneuvers too !

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    SOUTHCOM "Masterstroke" - Plan to Overthrow the Venezuelan Dictatorship.

    Post  ATLASCUB on Tue May 15, 2018 9:40 pm

    Document (scroll down): http://www.portalalba.org/index.php/areas/internacional-geopolitica/imperialismo/16887-el-momento-ha-llegado-el-plan-unitas-lix-seria-el-golpe-final-contra-venezuela

    Write up: https://libya360.wordpress.com/2018/05/13/masterstroke-the-us-plan-to-overthrow-the-venezuelan-government/

    One of many they've drafted...CIA/State Dept have the actual "masterstroke" (different obv) carrying out most of what they actually can along the same lines - same objective.

    The opinion of the admiral and his cohorts who helped him draft it are always a good read since the ones drafted by CIA analyst are just as bad and are actually acted upon.

    For those that are still blind to the fact of what's actually going on and fall for simplistic media narratives.

    One thing to point out is that the military option is not too different from the one applied to Syria. Although I still think a military option will be a massive mistake for them - not so much the U.S short term, but for their lackies whose grip on power will deteriorate (despite the initial strengthening that comes with it). Both Temer and Macri will in one way or another sink.
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    Re: Venezuela crisis

    Post  Walther von Oldenburg on Mon May 21, 2018 8:23 am

    Ok, Maduro won. What's next?
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    Re: Venezuela crisis

    Post  George1 on Mon May 21, 2018 9:49 am

    Walther von Oldenburg wrote:Ok, Maduro won. What's next?

    civil war maybe?
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    Re: Venezuela crisis

    Post  George1 on Sun Aug 05, 2018 10:42 am

    Seven people injured in Venezuelan president’s murder attempt

    Nicolas Maduro was not injured

    MOSCOW, August 5. /TASS/. Seven people have been injured in Venezuelan President Nicolas Maduro’s murder attempt; the president himself was not injured, Venezuela’s Communications Minister Jorge Rodriguez said, according to the Venezuelan radio station Union Radio.

    "President Maduro was not injured in the murder attempt," the web site of the radio station quoted the minister as saying. "Unfortunately, seven staff members were injured." "He is working as usual," Rodriguez said.

    "Keep calm, our President Nicolas Maduro is well, as are all the political and military top revolutionary government," head of the Bicentenario Del Pueblo bank Miguel Perez Abad tweeted.

    The attempted murder of the head of state was carried out with the use of drones carrying explosives. They were activated while Maduro was speaking at the ceremony for the 81st anniversary of the establishment of the Bolivarian National Guard. The drones were eliminated, the minister said. According to preliminary information, several cadets from the Bolivarian National Guard were injured.

    Rodriguez also reported that Maduro addressed the people a few minutes later.


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    Re: Venezuela crisis

    Post  George1 on Sun Aug 05, 2018 10:43 am

    Venezuelan president blames Colombian president for his attempted murder

    "Everything indicates to the rights, the Venezuelan far-rights together with the Colombian far-rights", Maduro said

    TASS, August 5. Venezuelan President Nicolas Maduro has blamed Colombian President Juan Manuel Santos for involvement in his attempted murder.

    "Everything indicates to the rights, the Venezuelan far-rights together with the Colombian far-rights, and the name of Juan Manuel Santos is behind this attempted murder," Maduro said in a televised national address broadcasted by state television.

    The Venezuelan leader added that he was calm during the incident, as he fully trusts the nation and the armed forces. "And God protects me, so I am alive and I win," Maduro said.

    Venezuelan Communications Minister Jorge Rodriguez earlier said that Maduro’s attempted murder was committed with the use of several drones with explosives. They were activated while the head of state was delivering his speech at the ceremony for the 81st anniversary of the establishment of the Bolivarian National Guard. Rodriguez specified that seven law enforcement officers were injured and the drones were eliminated. Neither the state leader, not the top government officials were injured in the explosion, he said.


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    Re: Venezuela crisis

    Post  George1 on Sun Aug 05, 2018 1:23 pm

    Moscow strongly condemns Venezuelan leader’s assassination attempt

    The Russian Foreign Ministry said that these steps are aimed at destabilizing the situation in the country


    MOSCOW, August 5. /TASS/. Moscow strongly condemns the assassination attempt against Venezuelan President Nicolas Maduro, stressing that these steps are aimed at destabilizing the situation in the country, the Russian Foreign Ministry said in a statement on Sunday.

    "We strongly condemn the assassination attempt against the Venezuelan president carried out on August 4 this year, in which seven people were wounded," the ministry said, stressing that "it is absolutely unacceptable to use the methods of terrorists as tools of political struggle."

    "It is obvious that these steps are designed to destabilize the situation in the country after the recent session of the United Socialist Party of Venezuela, which outlined priority steps on restoring national economy," the ministry said. "We are convinced that political disagreements should be settled only by peaceful and democratic means."

    The ministry expressed solidarity with the Venezuelan people and also wished a speedy recovery to those injured in the attack.

    Venezuelan Communications Minister Jorge Rodriguez earlier said that Maduro’s assassination attempt was committed with the use of several drones packed with explosives. They detonated while the head of state was delivering his speech at the ceremony for the 81st anniversary of the Bolivarian National Guard’s establishment. Seven law enforcement officers were injured. Neither the state leader nor the top government officials were injured in the explosion, he said.

    The Venezuelan president said several participants of his attempted murder were detained and accused the Colombian leader of being behind the plot. Maduro also said some those who planned to kill him live in the United States.


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    Re: Venezuela crisis

    Post  George1 on Mon Aug 06, 2018 1:40 am

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    Re: Venezuela crisis

    Post  George1 on Tue Jan 15, 2019 7:32 pm

    Venezuelan Armed Forces swear allegiance to President Maduro



    According to TASS unconditional loyalty to the President of Venezuela, Nicolas Maduro confirmed the armed forces of the country. “We recognize you as our commander in chief,” said the Minister of Defense of the Bolivarian Republic, Vladimir Padrino Lopez. Thus, he responded to the appeal to the army of the chairman of the opposition-controlled Venezuelan parliament, Juan Guaydo, who demanded that he disobey the head of state. Maduro was re-elected in May 2018, and on January 10, 2019 he took office. The opposition called him a usurper. On January 4, the so-called “group of Lima” considered that Maduro’s election for a new presidential term in Venezuela did not meet international standards. The document was signed by Argentina, Brazil, Guyana, Guatemala, Honduras, Canada, Colombia, Costa Rica, Panama, Paraguay, Peru, Saint Lucia and Chile. They called on Maduro not to take office as president of Venezuela and hand over the executive power to the National Assembly (Parliament) of the South American country.













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    Re: Venezuela crisis

    Post  Aristide on Wed Jan 16, 2019 11:12 am

    I find it amazing how some morons celebrate this idiotic bus driver here.

    When i was in school like 4 or 5 years ago we had a exchange studend from Caracas in class. Back then Venezuela was already in bad shape and now is simply a failed state.

    People have no food, crime rates are gigantic. 2 million people have already run away.





    While his people starve...the fat bus driver knows how to dine...with class and style in a capitalist instagram food temple:



    Communism at its best.

    Venezuela...one of the oil richest countries in the world...cant pump up oil, because nationalized oil companies dont have the knowledge to keep the plants running.

    Even better...Venezuela...a country with perfect climate and perfect soils cant grow even sugar cane. Why? because the fields got nationalized and the socialists in charge have no clue about agriculture. So the felds rott away.

    But what do i say? You guys stand with evry fucked up commie scum. Be it Maduro, Kim Jong Un or even Mugabe.
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    Re: Venezuela crisis

    Post  higurashihougi on Wed Jan 16, 2019 1:54 pm

    Aristide wrote:When i was in school like 4 or 5 years ago we had a exchange studend from Caracas in class. Back then Venezuela was already in bad shape and now is simply a failed state.

    Venezuela's economy already had serious problem long before Chaves and Maduro. The "capitalist" government only cared about selling oils and when oil price collapsed, Vene's economy suffered terribly.

    Aristide wrote:People have no food

    May be because they purchase cheap food from the government and illegally sell to Colombia at high price.

    May be the government should increase food price instead of maintaining the low-price policy for food because the many people expoit the government's kindness too much.

    Aristide wrote:Communism at its best.

    Venezuela is not communism.

    The Venezuelan Communist Party is a separated party and in many instance they criticized PSUV's policies, especially in the issues of trade unions and labour.

    The Fifth Republic Movement only removed foreign-based capitalists and core heavy industries. Remaining domestic businessman and rich landowners were left intact.

    Venezuela has one of the highest levels of land concentration in Latin America. If it was truly communism, a complete land redistribution should have been occured. But still, the government does not want to do things in the hard way... the rich landowners are still there to join the opposition.

    Aristide wrote:Even better...Venezuela...a country with perfect climate and perfect soils cant grow even sugar cane. Why? because the fields got nationalized and the socialists in charge have no clue about agriculture. So the felds rott away.

    Venezuelan agriculture was in bad shape already in the mid 19xx. But you people just put all the blame to Chavez.

    Aristide wrote:But what do i say? You guys stand with evry fucked up commie scum. Be it Maduro, Kim Jong Un or even Mugabe.

    North Korea managed to launch its own domestic satellite.

    South Korea tried to do the same thing, and failed.
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    Re: Venezuela crisis

    Post  Aristide on Wed Jan 16, 2019 2:21 pm

    higurashihougi wrote:
    Aristide wrote:When i was in school like 4 or 5 years ago we had a exchange studend from Caracas in class. Back then Venezuela was already in bad shape and now is simply a failed state.

    Venezuela's economy already had serious problem long before Chaves and Maduro. The "capitalist" government only cared about selling oils and when oil price collapsed, Vene's economy suffered terribly.

    Aristide wrote:People have no food

    May be because they purchase cheap food from the government and illegally sell to Colombia at high price.

    May be the government should increase food price instead of maintaining the low-price policy for food because the many people expoit the government's kindness too much.

    Aristide wrote:Communism at its best.

    Venezuela is not communism.

    The Venezuelan Communist Party is a separated party and in many instance they criticized PSUV's policies, especially in the issues of trade unions and labour.

    The Fifth Republic Movement only removed foreign-based capitalists and core heavy industries. Remaining domestic businessman and rich landowners were left intact.

    Venezuela has one of the highest levels of land concentration in Latin America. If it was truly communism, a complete land redistribution should have been occured. But still, the government does not want to do things in the hard way... the rich landowners are still there to join the opposition.

    Aristide wrote:Even better...Venezuela...a country with perfect climate and perfect soils cant grow even sugar cane. Why? because the fields got nationalized and the socialists in charge have no clue about agriculture. So the felds rott away.

    Venezuelan agriculture was in bad shape already in the mid 19xx. But you people just put all the blame to Chavez.

    Aristide wrote:But what do i say? You guys stand with evry fucked up commie scum. Be it Maduro, Kim Jong Un or even Mugabe.

    North Korea managed to launch its own domestic satellite.

    South Korea tried to do the same thing, and failed.

    North Korea cant feed its own people.

    Why did NK launch a satellite? Its country is dark at night from space.

    Dude you are one sick psycho Very Happy



    But its normal for communism and socialism. Those countries always fail and end in poverty.

    The good thing is, Northkoreans can always see their tiny satellite at night. No streetlight blocks their view, they live in eternal darkness,
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    Re: Venezuela crisis

    Post  GarryB on Wed Jan 16, 2019 11:00 pm

    Don't worry about the ignorant inbred Frog here Higura... the narcissistic self focussed westerners think any country with problems must be due to communism... Venezuela has never been communist and has more free and more open and more fair elections than the US does.... it is the rich 1% and their buddies in the west that help ensure such countries remain poor and broken, because it enables them to steal from the majority and keep their positions of wealth and power well beyond the real needs of any human.

    China seems to be rapidly growing in wealth and power under communism... the difference between a sucessful communist state like China and a poor unsuccessful one like NK or Cuba, was the western treatment of those countries... the west treated China almost as a partner in its conflict against what it perceived as a bigger threat in the Soviet Union, and China was able to grow and develop... still a lot of work needs to be done but it is in very healthy shape for a commie country.

    In comparison North Korea and Cuba have struggled because of western active belligerence and sanctions and isolation.

    They can, however take heart that there is a possible future where they might not be treated that way...

    The West tried the same isolation and sanctions on the Soviet Union and it really wasn't 100% successful because the Soviets were too big and too powerful to fully isolate and there were enough countries around the world that also didn't bend over and take it from the US, which meant the Soviets were never totally isolated.

    The west recognised potential for cooperation between China and the Soviets and turned the Chinese against the Soviets, but now it has backfired because in terms of economics the Soviets were not really likely to ever challenge the west totally like the chinese are today... as is mentioned a lot... they simply don't have the population.

    But now the Chinese are becoming a threat and some, like Henry Kissinger are suggesting using Russia against China but Putin is not an idiot... so America is trying to use India... India should notice that all these years the US has supported Pakistan against them... so I hope they recognise what is happening... use the US but don't actually trust them for anything.

    The point is that when the US self destructs it will merely be one powerful military force amongst several powerful military forces and no longer able to dictate to countries like it has in the past.

    For smaller countries it means more options than just either joining the west or choosing isolation.

    Shame really that the EU are so in line with what Washington tells them that they likely will take decades to become a real independent pole in the new multipolar world... India will probably take a place and the adults table before the EU does....
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    Re: Venezuela crisis

    Post  Tsavo Lion on Thu Jan 17, 2019 12:06 am

    China seems to be rapidly growing in wealth and power under communism...
    Don't confuse "Socialism with Chinese characteristics" under the CCP rule & Soviet "Advanced Socialism" with the Communism that Mao & Chruchev were trying to build.
    Socialists were in power in France twice, but they didn't ditch Capitalism. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Socialist_Party_(France)

    Ideologies, like religions, evolve & borrow from each other along with the societies that beget them.
    Venezuela has the same problem as Libya & Iraq: lots of oil under the ground & dictatorship above it to resist colonization; desert & jungle, w/o enough fertile soil for large scale agriculture to feed its population with local produce.
    It will be a miracle if Maduro stays in power for much longer: Chile wasn't allowed its own path, not to mention a few other "banana republics" to the North.
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    Re: Venezuela crisis

    Post  Aristide on Thu Jan 17, 2019 5:01 am

    GarryB wrote:Don't worry about the ignorant inbred Frog here Higura... the narcissistic self focussed westerners think any country with problems must be due to communism... Venezuela has never been communist and has more free and more open and more fair elections than the US does.... it is the rich 1% and their buddies in the west that help ensure such countries remain poor and broken, because it enables them to steal from the majority and keep their positions of wealth and power well beyond the real needs of any human.

    China seems to be rapidly growing in wealth and power under communism... the difference between a sucessful communist state like China and a poor unsuccessful one like NK or Cuba, was the western treatment of those countries... the west treated China almost as a partner in its conflict against what it perceived as a bigger threat in the Soviet Union, and China was able to grow and develop... still a lot of work needs to be done but it is in very healthy shape for a commie country.

    In comparison North Korea and Cuba have struggled because of western active belligerence and sanctions and isolation.

    They can, however take heart that there is a possible future where they might not be treated that way...

    The West tried the same isolation and sanctions on the Soviet Union and it really wasn't 100% successful because the Soviets were too big and too powerful to fully isolate and there were enough countries around the world that also didn't bend over and take it from the US, which meant the Soviets were never totally isolated.

    The west recognised potential for cooperation between China and the Soviets and turned the Chinese against the Soviets, but now it has backfired because in terms of economics the Soviets were not really likely to ever challenge the west totally like the chinese are today... as is mentioned a lot... they simply don't have the population.

    But now the Chinese are becoming a threat and some, like Henry Kissinger are suggesting using Russia against China but Putin is not an idiot... so America is trying to use India... India should notice that all these years the US has supported Pakistan against them... so I hope they recognise what is happening... use the US but don't actually trust them for anything.

    The point is that when the US self destructs it will merely be one powerful military force amongst several powerful military forces and no longer able to dictate to countries like it has in the past.

    For smaller countries it means more options than just either joining the west or choosing isolation.

    Shame really that the EU are so in line with what Washington tells them that they likely will take decades to become a real independent pole in the new multipolar world... India will probably take a place and the adults table before the EU does....

    How exactly am i inbred? You are the island monkey with the limited genetic pool.

    Its morons like you who blame always the west. So its the wests fault that Venezuelans are lazy and rather stupid dummies, incapable to run a normal country?

    China doesnt grow under communism. China went poor under communism. China developed when it threw communism under the bus and became hypercapitalist.

    China today follows the most extreme form of capitalism we see in the entire world. Workers rights means nothing for them. China throws evrything under the bus for profits.

    NK suffers because it has a batshit crazy leadership. Cuba suffers because its a shithole country.

    Also whats your problem with freedom? We have the right to decide who we trade with and who we dont trade with.

    We do trade with Cuba. We dont trade with NK and Venezuela. We sanction the shit out of them and we can freely decide to do so.

    Also we have different value systems. Did you ever visit India? Its a shithole.

    Remember when two italian marines killed indian fishermen? India wanted play tough and arrested them. But was too afraid so housed them both in a luxury hotel during their arrest. And India was scared of Italy.

    Italy pulled the entire EU into this. We blocked indias membership in international cooperations, blocked trade agreements and pushed them to the point where both returned.

    The EU is the worlds greatest economic power. So far we even put Trump in his place.
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    Re: Venezuela crisis

    Post  higurashihougi on Thu Jan 17, 2019 7:19 am

    Aristide wrote:North Korea cant feed its own people.

    South Korea cannot, either.

    Large portions of South Korean food demand have to be supplied from foreign countries.

    If sanction hits South Korea surely it will walk on its knees and beg the Northern brethren for help.

    Aristide wrote:But its normal for communism and socialism. Those countries always fail and end in poverty.

    Aristide wrote:NK suffers because it has a batshit crazy leadership. Cuba suffers because its a shithole country.

    No.

    Under communist regime, the USSR transformed from a devastated country into a superpower. It pioneered in many sections of social welfare.

    North Korea in fact had a relatively high living standard before 1991.

    Cuba's GDP per capita in both nominal and PPP is actually quite high.

    Aristide wrote:The EU is the worlds greatest economic power.

    Tell that to China or America... probably they won't bother to answer.

    Aristide wrote:Its morons like you who blame always the west. So its the wests fault that Venezuelans are lazy and rather stupid dummies, incapable to run a normal country?

    Based on which scientific reports you call Venezuelans as lazy, stupid dummies ?

    Let me remind you that you are severely insulting a whole nation.

    At the moment I am trying my best to refrain me from saying French as weakling dastards based on what they did when the Nazi crushed them and as brutal barbarians based on what they did to Vietnam and Algeria... because I know that racism is wrong and there are many respectable French who support the right things... so please don't tempt me to break my code.

    And the current state of Venezuelan economy is mainly because of the previous "capitalist" governments that you like a lot... these government turned Vene into a banana republic which relies heavily selling oils and raw materials for the West... so when somebody tried to fix the problem naturally they received sanctions and insults from the Free West... at the end of the day it is the Vietnamese commies who are helping Venezuela building a sustainable economy by sending agronomists to them.
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    Re: Venezuela crisis

    Post  Tsavo Lion on Thu Jan 17, 2019 8:36 pm

    North Korea in fact had a relatively high living standard before 1991.
    Cuba's GDP per capita in both nominal and PPP is actually quite high.
    Aristide wrote:
    The EU is the worlds greatest economic power.
    Tell that to China or America... probably they won't bother to answer.
    NK had crop failures from floods & droughts + sanctions that contributed to famine. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/North_Korean_famine#Causes

    Earlier, its agriculture,etc. were almost completely destroyed by US bombing of dams. https://apjjf.org/-Charles-K.-Armstrong/3460/article.html

    Despite the US sanctions/economic blockade & the past US Mafia rule, the infant mortality in Cuba is lower than in the USA.
    https://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2014/jan/31/tom-harkin/sen-tom-harkin-says-cuba-has-lower-child-mortality/

    China uses capitalism to regain its status as a great power with the help of Soviet style central economic/social planning to implement it. That's what the "Socialism with Chinese characteristics" is.
    India is a mix of socialist capitalist systems. It has too many religions, races, ethnic groups, languages, & writing systems.
    And yet, in almost every nation but India, democracy followed capitalism. In country after country in Europe, voting rights were gradually extended over the past 150 years. That process slowly altered existing capitalist institutions and practices.
    Not so in India. There, we had the right to vote well before capitalist institutions developed.
    This unique reversal explains a great deal about Indian society today, including the failures in governance and the painfully slow pace of economic reforms. ..
    In India, on the other hand, democratic institutions came up well before we had the chance to create an industrial revolution. Even today, over 60% of our people continue live in rural areas, organized labor constitutes less than 10% of total labor.
    And the middle class, despite tripling over the last two decades, constitutes less than 20% of the population.
    Because of the unique historical reversal in India, populist pressures for redistributing the pie essentially built up before it was baked. Yes, we set up intricate regulatory networks — but we did so before the private economy had transformed a rural into an industrial society. We began to think in terms of 'welfare' before there were welfare-generating jobs.
    The result, for India has been throttling of enterprise, slow growth, missed opportunities, huge subsidies and a rapacious bureaucracy. It is the price we have paid for having democracy before capitalism — or rather too much democracy and not enough capitalism.
    These institutions do not just happen — they take time to develop. Thus, reform is not an easy path. Experience around the world over the last two decades teaches us that markets generate perverse results in the absence of good regulatory institutions.

    https://www.theglobalist.com/democracy-and-capitalism-in-india/

    So, the British & French colonizers can be blamed for stifling India's development, which resulted in its present condition. W/o colonization, there would be several states in its place with higher standard of living. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6mDsa-AqNcQ

    If the EU is so powerful, the UK wouldn't be leaving it!

    Venezuela's Opposition-Run Congress Declares Maduro a Usurper,
    asks foreign countries to freeze Maduro-linked accounts

    On Tuesday, it was reported that US President Donald Trump is considering recognising the head of the opposition-run National Assembly as Venezuela’s legitimate leader. Washington is also said to be mulling a full oil embargo and even military intervention.
    https://www.aljazeera.com/indepth/features/gold-trade-booms-venezuela-eyes-stronger-turkey-ties-190117084423511.html
    https://ahvalnews.com/venezuela-turkey/turkey-repeating-iran-sanction-busting-scheme-venezuela-ex-diplomat#

    https://www.commondreams.org/views/2019/01/17/america-has-its-gunsights-venezuela

    https://www.reuters.com/article/us-brazil-argentina/brazil-argentina-step-up-pressure-on-venezuelas-maduro-idUSKCN1PA23T

    https://www.rt.com/business/449011-venezuela-oil-exports-sanctions/

    https://www.spectator.co.uk/2019/01/pirates-of-the-caribbean-how-venezuelas-near-collapse-is-causing-a-crisis-on-the-seas/


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    Re: Venezuela crisis

    Post  Kimppis on Thu Jan 17, 2019 11:06 pm

    Some good points, higurashihougi and Tsavo Lion. Aristide, I haven't been reading your recent posts because I don't follow the "General Discussion" section of the forum regularly, but I overall see where you're coming from and I respect (some of) your views, just sayin'.  

    It's indeed very debatable whether China is "capitalist" or "socialist". It's IMO neither, and in any case the whole issue is kind of irrelevant. China is successful due to its meritocratic government that focuses on development, an economic system that is "capitalistic" enough, and because it has a very high quality population. What is India's problem? It's developing well at the moment, but India's "population quality" is not particularly high on average. Simple stuff.  

    China was already poor before communism, actually you have to give some credit to Mao, objectively speaking. It was probably inevitable, as was China rapid development, but Mao re-unified the country.

    When it comes to "workers rights," China's industrial wages and overall living standards are already modestly higher than the global average. Salaries have been growing extremely rapidly for decades, and so is robotization.

    Make no mistake, I have no particular sympathy for Venezuela, nor for many/most other anti-American "shitholes" that most of these leftist, 'anti-imperialist,' "hur dur everything's a Zionist lizard people conspiracy" Russophiles fanboy over. Only interests and power matters. If Russia (and China) can use Venezuela to troll Uncle Sam even a little bit in its own backyard, that's fine by me.

    That said, it's obvious that the Venezuelan government can mostly only blame itself. I'm not an expert on Venezuela or its economy, but the fact is that it was reasonably well-off overall 10 years ago, so the current situation is quite of an achievement. In addition to the oil price collapse, some other things must have gone VERY wrong internally as well.    

    The EU is weak as shit. It's not a unified power, and due to that, not the "worlds' greatest" anything, when it comes to influence. China is already 30% larger in PPP GDP, just so you know. I'm a Western European, and I'd like to believe you, but it's all bullshit. The EU should have never gone against Russia during the Ukrainian crisis. A proper balancing alliance against the US should have been created back in the 1990s, but Europe just decided to be a collection of insignificant American vassals. For example, now Europeans lack their own Google, Baidu or Yandex, sums up everything really. Those cucks would be in love with POTUS Hillary...

    You were supposed to a French nationalist anyway, right? So what's going on? EU is the very symbol of "globalism" and anti-nationalism. But, uhh... whatever.
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    Re: Venezuela crisis

    Post  Tsavo Lion on Fri Jan 18, 2019 12:45 am

    It's also worth recalling how Panama's Noriega was used & then discarded under the pretext of (non-CIA sponsored) drug smuggling; the same excuse is now starting to be used against the Maduro regime.
    The less competition, more $ can be made by the CIA in the drug trade. The writing is on the wall: MERCOSUR members with US intel & logistics support will soon make Venezuela into another Iraq, unless Russia, Cuba, &/ China send their navy, army, AF & marines there 1st.


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    Re: Venezuela crisis

    Post  magnumcromagnon on Fri Jan 18, 2019 1:35 am

    The United States are preparing a war between Latin-American states
    by Thierry Meyssan

    Little by little, the partisans of the Cebrowski doctrine are advancing their pawns. If they must cease creating wars in the Greater Middle East, they’ll just turn around and inflame the Caribbean Basin. Above all, the Pentagon is planning to assassinate an elected head of state, ruin his country, and undermine the unity of Latin-America.


    Speaking before the anti-Castro community at Miami Dade College, John Bolton denounced
    « This tyrannical troïka, spreading from Havana to Caracas via Managua,
    [which] is the cause of immense human suffering, the motor for huge regional instability,
    and the genesis of a squalid nest of Communism in the Western hemisphere ».



    John Bolton, the new US National Security Advisor, has relaunched the Pentagon’s project for the destruction of the State structures in the Caribbean Basin.

    We remember that in the aftermath of the 9/11 attacks, the Secretary for Defense at that time, Donald Rumsfeld, created the Office of Force Transformation and nominated Admiral Arthur Cebrowski as its Director. Its mission was to train the US army for its new role in the era of financial globalisation. It was designed to change military culture in order to destroy the State structures of the regions which were not connected to the global economy. The first chapter of this plan consisted of dislocating the « Greater Middle East ». The second stage was intended to perform the same task in the « Caribbean Basin ». The plan was designed to destroy some twenty coastal and insular States, with the exception of Colombia, Mexico and as far as possible, territories belonging to the United Kingdom, the United States, France and Holland.

    When he arrived at the White House, President Donald Trump opposed the Cebrowski plan. However, two years later, he has so far only been able to prevent the Pentagon and NATO from handing over States to the terrorist groups they employ (the « Caliphate »), but not to stop manipulating terrorism. Concerning the Greater Middle East, he has managed to diminish the tension, but the wars still continue there at lower intensity. Concerning the Caribbean Basin, he restrained the Pentagon, forbidding them to launch direct military operations.

    Last May, Stella Calloni revealed a note from Admiral Kurt Tidd, Commander in Chief of SouthCom, exposing the operations aimed at Venezuela [1]. A second penetration was simultaneously implemented in Nicaragua, and a third, running for the last half century, against Cuba.

    Working from several previous analyses, we concluded that the destabilisation of Venezuela - beginning with the guarimbas movement, continued by the attempted coup d’etat of February 2015 (Operation Jericho) [2], then by attacks on the national currency and the organisation of emigration - would end with military operations [3] led from Brazil, Colombia and Guyana. Multinational manoeuvres of troop transport were organised by the United States and their allies in August 2017 [4]. This was made possible by the election of pro-Israëli President Jair Bolsonaro, who will come to power in Brasilia on 1 January 2019.


    Brazilian Vice-President Hamilton Mourão with President Jair Bolsonaro.

    The next Vice-President of Brazil will be General Hamilton Mourão, whose father played an important role in the pro-US military coup d’etat of 1964. He has made himself famous by his declarations against Presidents Lula and Rousseff. In 2017, he declared – on behalf of the Grand Orient of Brazil – that the time for a new military coup d’etat had arrived. Finally, he was re-elected with President Bolsonaro. In an interview with the magazine Piaui, he announced an impending overthrow of the Venezuelan President, Nicolás Maduro, and the deployment of a Brazilian « peace » force (sic). Faced with the gravity of these statements, which constitute a violation of the United Nations Charter, elected President Bolsonaro declared that no-one had any intention of going to war with anyone, and that his Vice-President talked too much.

    In any case, during a Press conference on 12 December 2018, President Maduro revealed that US National Security Advisor John Bolton was handling the coordination between the teams of Colombian President Iván Duque and those of the Brazilian Vice-President. A group of 734 mercenaries is currently being trained in Tona (Colombia) in order to perpetrate a false flag attack, allegedly by Venezuela, against Colombia – thereby justifying a Colombian war against Venezuela. The war would be under the command of Colonel Oswaldo Valentín García Palomo, who is today in hiding after the attempted assassination by drone of President Maduro during the anniversary of the National Guard on 4 August 2018. These mercenaries are supported by Special Forces stationed on US military bases in Tolemaida (Colombia) and Eglin (Florida). The US plan is to take over, from the beginning of the conflict, the three Venezuelan Libertador military bases of Palo Negro, Puerto Cabello and Barcelona.


    Wanted notice for Colonel Oswaldo Valentín García Palomo of the Venezuelan National Guard,
    after he had commanded an attempted assassination of the President of the Bolivarian Republic


    The US National Security Council is attempting to convince various states not to recognise Nicolás Maduro’s second mandate (he was re-elected last May, but will assume power with the New Year). This is why the states of the Lima Group contested the Presidential ballot even before it took place, and illegally forbade Venezuelan consulates from organising it. Furthermore, the migration crisis turns out to be just one more manipulation – many of the Venezuelans who fled the monetary crisis believing that they would easily find work in another Latin-American country are today trying to return home. But the Lima Group prevents them from doing so, forbidding Venezuelan planes who are attempting to repatriate them to use their air space, as well as interdicting the buses which have come to help them cross the borders.

    Everything is therefore happening as if we were watching a remake of the events which bloodied the Greater Middle East after the attacks of 11 September 2001. The main point is not the military actions, but the appearance of disorder that the events present. First of all, it’s intended to confuse people into making a silk purse out of a sow’s ear [5]. In the space of five years, Venezuela and Nicaragua, which used to enjoy a positive image abroad, are now being wrongly described as « failed states ». While the history of the Sandinistas and their struggle against the Somoza dictatorship has not yet been re-written, it is taken for granted that Hugo Chávez Frías was a « Communist dictator » (sic), despite the fact that his country experienced a massive economical and political leap forward during his Presidency. It will soon become possible to destroy these states without anyone complaining.

    Time is passing more and more rapidly. When, in 1823, US President James Monroe decided to close the Americas to European colonisation, he could not have imagined that 50 years later his decision would morph into an affirmation of US imperialism. Just as today, when President Donald Trump declared, on the day of his investiture, that the time for régime change was over, he did not imagine that he would be betrayed by his own people. Nonetheless, on 1 November 2018, his Security Advisor John Bolton declared in Miami that Cuba, Nicaragua and Venezuela formed a « troïka of tyranny ». Then his Secretary of Defense, General James Mattis, affirmed on 1 December, before the Reagan National Defense Forum, that elected President Maduro is an « irresponsible despot » who « has to go » [6].

    https://www.voltairenet.org/article204400.html
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    Re: Venezuela crisis

    Post  Tsavo Lion on Fri Jan 18, 2019 2:04 am

    Colombia Bombing Strikes Police Academy, Killing 10

    Bogotá blast: Deadly car bomb rocks Colombia capital

    It & future terrorist acts may be conveniently blamed on Caracas.
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    Re: Venezuela crisis

    Post  Tsavo Lion on Sat Jan 19, 2019 11:11 pm

    Brazil, Argentina step up pressure on Venezuela's Maduro

    The United States begins a coup in Venezuela
    https://regnum.ru/news/polit/2555632.html

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