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    Post  magnumcromagnon on Sat Feb 16, 2019 2:40 pm

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    Post  Isos on Sat Feb 16, 2019 3:35 pm

    magnumcromagnon wrote:

    If they feel like US are about to attack them for sure, they should use those sukhois to destroy Colombia and Brazil. Hit their bigest/medium companies, big infrastructures, power plants, airports, ports, pipelines and oil reserves as well as their civil planes, civil tanker and merchand ships, 0internet network, mobile telephone network, central bank and everything that will destroy them economically. So that they will need 10 years or more to recover from damages and create millions of refugees for USA.

    Colombia and Brazil have no air forces to defend themselves and they are far away from US to be protected. In two or three days of intense bombing they will be left with a worse economic situation than Venezuela.
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    Post  Tsavo Lion on Mon Feb 18, 2019 7:53 pm

    No, they + Ecuador & Peru do have AFs & can put up a fight:
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Colombian_Air_Force#Current_inventory
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_active_Brazilian_military_aircraft#Current_inventory
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peruvian_Air_Force#Current_inventory
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ecuadorian_Air_Force#Current_inventory
    Argentinian AF may also help if deployed to Brazilian/Colombian bases: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Argentine_Air_Force#Current_inventory



    Update:
    US Military Delivers Aid to Colombia for Venezuelan Migrants
    Venezuela's Guaido Calls for 'Million Volunteers' in Aid Standoff
    Marco Rubio Warns Venezuelan Soldiers to Let Aid Enter
    Russia's Gazprombank Freezes Accounts of Venezuela's Pdvsa
    Venezuela Opposition to Leave Citgo Funds, Management Untouched
    Venezuela Opposition Slams Raid of NGO That Supports Humanitarian Aid
    Venezuela's Guaido Asks Citibank to Freeze Gold Swap With Maduro
    https://www.antiwar.com/

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    Post  nomadski on Mon Feb 18, 2019 8:48 pm

    External  military intervention by yank and co , will unite the Venezuelan  population behind  government . And further liberalisation  of oil industry , leading to flow of profits out of Venezuela  will impoverish  the population and lead to  revolution against the liberal status quo  .  Sanctions , even if successful , will ultimately lead to a self sufficient economy .  Blood and tears will in any case lead  to victory of Venezuelan  people . By  different routes . I agree with decision by Venezuelan  government to reject this  "aid " , by yank . For this aid to be accepted then , first sanctions must be lifted, then the yanks must state that they recognise legitimate government  of Venezuela  . And aid should finally be distributed by UN . The ideal population for a nation is one , where famine and war can be tolerated by reserves or self sustaining agriculture and industry . Any nation heavily dependent  on trade , will suffer , during war and blockade .
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    Post  Isos on Mon Feb 18, 2019 10:23 pm

    Tsavo Lion wrote:No, they + Ecuador & Peru do have AFs & can put up a fight:
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Colombian_Air_Force#Current_inventory
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_active_Brazilian_military_aircraft#Current_inventory
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peruvian_Air_Force#Current_inventory
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ecuadorian_Air_Force#Current_inventory
    Argentinian AF may also help if deployed to Brazilian/Colombian bases: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Argentine_Air_Force#Current_inventory


    They operate israeli or french crap jets. Totally outdated. Only the peruvian upgraded mig-29 are dangerous. The rest is total crap. One missile one hut for all of them. That would increase the export sells of sukhoi. Russians should send their own pilots and do the job with 100 russian r-77-1.

    I mean if they are sure that US will attack and destroy them, that would be a great revange. Create millions of new refugees for US in matters of days. They will think twice next time they want to destroy a south american country.
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    Post  Tsavo Lion on Mon Feb 18, 2019 11:10 pm

    I failed to mention the Chilean AF F-16s & the French AF Mirages/Rafales that could be based in Fr. Guiana:
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chilean_Air_Force#Current_inventory
    https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Category:French_Air_Force_aircraft_at_Cayenne-Rochambeau_Airport
    https://www.flightglobal.com/news/articles/analysis-french-guiana-increases-air-surveillance-n-406560/

    In 2004-2005, most of the boat people were stopped & held at GITMO in Cuba. Ks of Cubans were allowed in, but the Haitians were sent back.
    Now, C. American migrants will wait indefinitely at the border while their asylum cases r being "processed". Trump wants to stop all non-white people from coming, period. That's why he separated kids from parents to discourage immigration & shot down the gov. to force the Congress give the $ for his border wall. After being told "no", he declared a national emergency to use nearly $7B in certain Dep. of Defence funding to build it:
    https://uk.reuters.com/article/uk-usa-shutdown-challenges/legal-challenges-to-trump-emergency-declaration-face-uphill-battle-idUKKCN1Q500B
    https://uk.reuters.com/article/uk-usa-border-military/acting-pentagon-chief-not-decided-yet-on-funding-border-wall-idUKKCN1Q50QY

    Venezuelans willing to go North will need to use boats (the USN/CG can easily stop them) or land transportation to get to Panama, a US ally, & survive her border guards/army/police & the dnagerous roadless Darien Gap, barely passable in the dry season. So, most of them will stay in S. America.
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    Three sources of collapse: why the left experiment failed in Venezuela


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    Post  Tsavo Lion on Tue Feb 19, 2019 11:11 pm

    Venezuela has closed the border with several islands in the Caribbean
    https://regnum.ru/news/polit/2576353.html

    Venezuelan DM promised big losses those wishing to seize power
    https://regnum.ru/news/polit/2576336.html

    “Destroyed” missiles for the C-400 instead of China went to Venezuela - opinion
    https://www.infox.ru/news/282/world/politics/213216-unictozennye-rakety-dla-s-400-vmesto-kitaa-dostalis-venesuele-mnenie?utm_referrer=https%3A%2F%2Fzen.yandex.com

    Something is fishy here: it would be a lot faster, cheaper & safer to send them by rail to China. "Storm damage" is a cover story.
    https://nationalinterest.org/blog/the-buzz/russias-s-400-way-more-dangerous-you-think-24116

    https://militarywatchmagazine.com/article/how-capable-is-venezuela-of-defending-its-airspace-part-one-the-most-vulnerable-target-state

    Nice pic for size comparison:
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    Venezuela to Distribute Food to Poor Colombians Amid Aid Tension
    Trump to Say Venezuela's Move to Democracy Is 'Irreversible'
    Venezuela Opposition Calls for Release of $3.2b in Funds Held in US
    Mexican Envoy Calls for Fresh Effort on Maduro-Guaido Talks
    Cruz Pushes for Stiffer Gold Penalties Against Venezuela's Maduro
    Barred From Venezuela, European Lawmakers Call for Action

    https://www.antiwar.com/

    The US Drive for Hegemony Over Venezuela

    What do Trump and Maduro r negotiating about
    ..on February 20, 300 tons of humanitarian aid from Russia will be delivered to Venezuela. According to Maduro, it's food and medicine.
    https://news.rambler.ru/world/41750594/?utm_content=rnews&utm_medium=read_more&utm_source=copylink

    Maduro urged Guaido to announce elections in Venezuela
    https://ria.ru/20190220/1551099095.html

    Cuban Foreign Ministry accused the United States in the transfer of troops close to Venezuela
    https://ria.ru/20190220/1551097743.html


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    Post  Tsavo Lion on Wed Feb 20, 2019 5:10 pm



    Venezuelan Troops to Remain on Border to Prevent Threats
    Top Maduro-Allied Citgo Executives Removed Amid Battle to Control Firm
    Brazil to Send Aid to Venezuela Together With US
    Venezuela Shuts Border With Caribbean Islands Ahead of Aid Efforts
    Cuba Denies Military in Venezuela, Charges US Readies Intervention
    https://www.antiwar.com/
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    Post  Hannibal Barca on Wed Feb 20, 2019 5:54 pm

    Yankees love force feeding torture

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    Guantanamo captives who will not comply with force-feeding have their arms, legs and head restrained in a feeding chair. They remain strapped in the chair until the nutrient is digested, to prevent induced vomiting
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    Post  Tsavo Lion on Wed Feb 20, 2019 6:17 pm

    India has become the leading importer of Venezuelan oil
    https://regnum.ru/news/economy/2577039.html
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    Post  GarryB on Thu Feb 21, 2019 4:15 am

    Will be interesting to see how the bully reacts to India helping someone they have designated as enemy of the people and persona non grata...

    Of course the US will be punishing India for buying Iranian oil soon too... will be interesting to see who blinks first.
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    Post  Tsavo Lion on Thu Feb 21, 2019 4:29 am

    ..the US will be punishing India for buying Iranian oil soon too..
    and driving her more into the arms of Russia & China.





    Venezuela Seeks UN Support Against 'Military Aggression'
    Venezuela Military 'On Alert' as It Closes Borders to Aid
    Bolton Says Venezuela UN Military Attache Backs Guaido
    Venezuela's Oil Minister: Pdvsa Pumping Station Attacked
    Venezuela Security Forces Kill, Punish Anti-Maduro Protesters: Amnesty
    Guaido Says He's Trying to Freeze Venezuelan Accounts in Switzerland
    Swiss Deny Call With Venezuela's Juan Guaido Over Bank Accounts
    Venezuela's Opposition Ambassador Takes Control of Embassy in Costa Rica
    https://www.antiwar.com/


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    Post  Tsavo Lion on Fri Feb 22, 2019 6:57 pm

    Eleven Venezuela Diplomats in US Defect Since Last Month: Opposition
    Venezuelan Official Breaks With Maduro
    Venezuela's Maduro Closes Brazil Border to Block Aid Entry
    Venezuela's Maduro Threatens Colombia Border Closure to Block Humanitarian Aid
    Venezuelan Oil Supplies Hit Five-Year High as Buyers Become Elusive
    Vice President Mike Pence Will Go to Colombia to Demand Maduro Step Down
    Pence Will Meet With Lima Group on Venezuela
    https://www.antiwar.com/

    Putin: Russia Ready for a Cuban-Style Missile Crisis
    https://news.antiwar.com/2019/02/21/putin-russia-is-militarily-ready-for-another-cuban-missile-style-crisis/
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    Post  Vladimir79 on Fri Feb 22, 2019 6:59 pm

    How can their oil supplies be at 5 year highs when they owe China billions worth in back shipments?
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    Post  Tsavo Lion on Fri Feb 22, 2019 7:39 pm

    It's the highest now compared with preceding 5 year period.

    https://politros.com/139391-nikakoi-gumpomoshi-net-v-mid-venesuely-rasskazali-chto-rossiya-postavlyaet-karakasu?utm_referrer=https%3A%2F%2Fzen.yandex.com


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    Post  LMFS on Sat Feb 23, 2019 12:18 am

    I am fearing a false flag event for the upcoming concert. Lets hope everybody that needs to be alert is not caught napping...
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    Post  Tsavo Lion on Sat Feb 23, 2019 12:44 am

    They'll find a pretext & casus belli eventually. America is still addicted to war & Trump needs 1 to save face & stay in the White House.
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    Post  LMFS on Sat Feb 23, 2019 1:31 am

    Apparently some false flag events have already happened Rolling Eyes

    https://twitter.com/teleSURtv/status/1099081722413633536
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    Post  Tsavo Lion on Sat Feb 23, 2019 1:50 am

    Brazil has suspended the delivery of humanitarian aid to the border with Venezuela
    https://ria.ru/20190222/1551271518.html

    If Russia & China acted like USA, France & UK, Colombia & Brazil would have at very least their naval armadas off their coasts by now.
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    Post  GarryB on Sat Feb 23, 2019 8:22 am

    Guano will be getting desperate shortly... he is in a very difficult situation because likely most of the population of Venezuela didn't even know who he was last year and now he wants to lead a US backed coup against a man recently voted in to office by a majority???

    These concerts will be interesting... reportedly there is one on each side of the border with opposing views and goals...

    Expect something like at the end of the American stooge concert that they encourage the people at the concert to peacefully walk towards Venezuela to free them from communism and then sit back and watch the machine gun fire... perhaps even start it themselves just to make sure it is enough of an outrage to justify immediate invasion... by all these forces we have ready on standby...
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    Post  LMFS on Sat Feb 23, 2019 10:20 am

    Borders with Brazil and Colombia have been closed, Venezuela is very well aware of what the risks are.

    Interview with the rapporteur to the UN about effects of the sanctions, a must see:
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=6&v=ii5MlQgGXyk
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    Post  Tsavo Lion on Sat Feb 23, 2019 7:54 pm

    https://112.ua/mir/venesuela-razvernula-voyska-na-granice-s-kolumbiey-481703.html

    https://ria.ru/20190223/1551279062.html

    https://iz.ru/849158/2019-02-23/nebenzia-rasskazal-o-planakh-rossii-na-sluchai-provokatcii-ssha-protiv-venesuely

    https://www.obozrevatel.com/abroad/po-stsenariyu-donbassa-vyiyasnilos-kak-putin-pomogaet-maduro.htm

    https://russian.rt.com/world/article/605196-venesuela-ssha-provokaciya-granica



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    Post  Isos on Sat Feb 23, 2019 9:16 pm

    Tsavo Lion wrote:https://112.ua/mir/venesuela-razvernula-voyska-na-granice-s-kolumbiey-481703.html

    https://ria.ru/20190223/1551279062.html

    https://iz.ru/849158/2019-02-23/nebenzia-rasskazal-o-planakh-rossii-na-sluchai-provokatcii-ssha-protiv-venesuely

    https://www.obozrevatel.com/abroad/po-stsenariyu-donbassa-vyiyasnilos-kak-putin-pomogaet-maduro.htm

    https://russian.rt.com/world/article/605196-venesuela-ssha-provokaciya-granica


    Yeah keep destroying police cars that costed you less than 20 000$ each. Then pay your US liberators 100 000$ for shitty US made cars with money they will give with 200% rate taxes. Very smart those Venezuelans Rolling Eyes

    Can't believe that after all the coup they made in south america, there is still some people believing US freedom.
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    Post  kvs on Sat Feb 23, 2019 10:20 pm

    Humans love to drink the easy life koolaid. America promises them prosperity simply by sucking its c*ck and implementing mystical
    monetarist "reforms". The average human does not have such a high IQ and most importantly enough knowledge to see the truth.
    That is why the media is effective in spreading propaganda. Suckers will believe anything that has the ring of truth. Informed people
    who can use their brains can see through this transparent BS.

    BTW, the shortages of consumer goods in Venezuela is a common tactic of US sponsored "entrepreneurs". Back in the late 1980s
    in the USSR you had high quality food goods deliberately junked to create shortages. Gorbie introduced a program which was supposed
    to support small enterprise in the USSR. So you had people start to produce quality meat and sausages, and other produce. When
    they tried to ship these goods to markets in large cities such as Moscow, "mafia" elements came out of nowhere to stop, seize and
    destroy these goods. These "mafias" were serving someone's agenda, but I doubt that someone was localized in Russia. This was
    pure sabotage and I can't see how any sort of competition in a climate of good deficit would lead to such dirty tricks between local
    producers and resellers. I could see such dirty tricks emerge when the market was saturated and the margins were to small.

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    Post  LMFS on Sat Feb 23, 2019 11:54 pm

    kvs wrote:Humans love to drink the easy life koolaid.   America promises them prosperity simply by sucking its c*ck and implementing mystical
    monetarist "reforms".    The average human does not have such a high IQ and most importantly enough knowledge to see the truth.
    That is why the media is effective in spreading propaganda.   Suckers will believe anything that has the ring of truth.   Informed people
    who can use their brains can see through this transparent BS.

    BTW, the shortages of consumer goods in Venezuela is a common tactic of US sponsored "entrepreneurs".   Back in the late 1980s
    in the USSR you had high quality food goods deliberately junked to create shortages.   Gorbie introduced a program which was supposed
    to support small enterprise in the USSR.   So you had people start to produce quality meat and sausages, and other produce.  When
    they tried to ship these goods to markets in large cities such as Moscow, "mafia" elements came out of nowhere to stop, seize and
    destroy these goods.   These "mafias" were serving someone's agenda, but I doubt that someone was localized in Russia.   This was
    pure sabotage and I can't see how any sort of competition in a climate of good deficit would lead to such dirty tricks between local
    producers and resellers.   I could see such dirty tricks emerge when the market was saturated and the margins were to small.  
    Very true. Venezuelan upper class is a comprador elite without the sightless shadow of morals or shame, and many among the middle-class drones (the ones you described above) are really so incredibly stupid and spineless that are dancing to their tune. Anyone that knows the South American right knows their overblown sense of self-entitlement and authoritarianism is only matched by their contempt for their poorer countryman... but as despicable as they are, that is what almost anyone imitates in those countries when they get slightly above rat-poor level, their mark of success is behaving like a colonial slaver. It is really difficult to grasp for people living in countries with better developed middle-class until you meet them. These people would see their country destroyed 100 times if they were allowed to get the spoils and be accepted by their pet masters in the US. So internal sabotage will only grow until Maduro really grows the balls to stop it. There is no other way forward for South America in general than putting those traitor elites in the dust bin of history.

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