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    Re: Venezuela crisis

    Post  Tsavo Lion on Tue Feb 12, 2019 7:34 pm

    Communism is dead; if this forum makes u sick, stop reading it 7 preaching shallow racist extreme right wing propaganda!
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    Re: Venezuela crisis

    Post  Aristide on Tue Feb 12, 2019 7:35 pm

    Tsavo Lion wrote:Communism is dead; if this forum makes u sick, stop reading it 7 preaching shallow racist extreme right wing propaganda!

    Its amusing and i train english.

    Its also interesting. It shows diplomacy in small
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    Re: Venezuela crisis

    Post  Tsavo Lion on Tue Feb 12, 2019 8:16 pm

    Congratulations! Ur command of English is a lot better than grasp of other subjects u been posting about & tried to impress us with supposedly deep knowledge on.
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    Re: Venezuela crisis

    Post  Aristide on Tue Feb 12, 2019 8:50 pm

    Tsavo Lion wrote:Congratulations! Ur command of English is a lot better than grasp of other subjects u been posting about & tried to impress us with supposedly deep knowledge on.

    For France its best if Maduro goes, thats our national interest. You may have to accept that. Beside that, contrary to you, i jnow a person from venezuela, who absolutly hates maduro. 3 million refugees speak for themself.
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    Re: Venezuela crisis

    Post  Tsavo Lion on Tue Feb 12, 2019 9:40 pm

    Aristide wrote:For France its best if Maduro goes, thats our national interest. You may have to accept that. Beside that, contrary to you, i jnow a person from venezuela, who absolutly hates maduro. 3 million refugees speak for themself.
    If he goes, so will R. Castro- is losing Cuba to the US also in ur national interests?
    In any country, there going to be people who hate their leaders. That alone doesn't justify intervention. In case u forgot, France was against the invasion of Iraq. Many there hated Saddam, esp. the Shiites, but they started killing the invaders regardless.
    I heard from the Ven. FM that many of those 3M people r actually Colombians who settled & been living there for many years.
    In any case, they r economic migrants rather than refugees fleeing genocide or political/religious persecution. Many, if not most, will return if & after the situation improves. It is to these people that humanitarian aid should be given.
    Many Westerners retire abroad & r called expatriates; in reality they r also economic migrants who want to get more bang for their buck in a weaker economy. The largest American expatriate community is in Mexico. Many also moved to Costa Rica, Panama, Colombia & Ecuador. So, what else is new?
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    Re: Venezuela crisis

    Post  Aristide on Tue Feb 12, 2019 9:44 pm

    Tsavo Lion wrote:
    Aristide wrote:For France its best if Maduro goes, thats our national interest. You may have to accept that. Beside that, contrary to you, i jnow a person from venezuela, who absolutly hates maduro. 3 million refugees speak for themself.
    If he goes, so will R. Castro- is losing Cuba to the US also in ur national interests?
    In any country, there going to be people who hate their leaders. That alone doesn't justify intervention. In case u forgot, France was against the invasion of Iraq. Many there hated Saddam, esp. the Shiites, but they started killing the invaders regardless.
    I heard from the Ven. FM that many of those 3M people r actually Colombians who settled & been living there for many years.
    In any case, they r economic migrants rather than refugees fleeing genocide or political/religious persecution. Many, if not most, will return if & after the situation improves.
    Many Westerners retire abroad & r called expatriates; in reality they r also economic migrants who want to get more bang for their buck in a weaker economy. The largest American expatriate community is in Mexico. Many also moved to Costa Rica, Panama, Colombia & Ecuador. So, what else is new?

    You never visited South America...venezuelans beg on the streets, their childrens selling worthless stuff to feed their families. They look starving.

    Admit, that Maduro is an idiot. I cant take you serious when you blame only one side and ignore the obvious.
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    Re: Venezuela crisis

    Post  Tsavo Lion on Tue Feb 12, 2019 10:57 pm

    I've been to Mexican border towns & saw the same thing.
    They'll remain miserable even after Maduro (I don't think is entirely blameless) is gone. In fact, the coming civil war will create more of them. The US & France, out of their concern, r not in hurry to invade Bangladesh, Burma, Haiti, Guatemala, Paraguay, & Zimbabwe, to name a few, to improve their economies & install better presidents.
    https://regnum.ru/news/2571231.html

    https://www.gov.uk/foreign-travel-advice/bangladesh

    http://karennews.org/2019/01/the-new-year-starts-with-armed-conflict-between-karen-and-burma-armies-in-northern-karen-state/

    https://www.foxnews.com/world/on-the-70th-anniversary-of-their-war-with-the-burma-army-landmark-peace-process-in-jeopardy-as-hundreds-of-karen-christians-flee-their-homes-under-fire

    https://www.columbiaspectator.com/news/2019/02/12/international-conference-held-at-barnard-calls-for-accountability-for-rohingya-genocide/

    https://www.yahoo.com/news/no-word-haitis-president-fear-paralyzes-capital-180719400.html

    https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2019/01/palm-oil-industry-expansion-spurs-guatemala-indigenous-migration-190122160154738.html

    https://www.npr.org/2019/01/22/685505116/killings-of-guatemalas-indigenous-activists-raise-specter-of-human-rights-crisis

    https://www.amnesty.org/en/latest/news/2019/02/guatemala-legislative-initiatives-seriously-threaten-human-rights/

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paraguay#Social_issues

    https://www.equaltimes.org/in-zimbabwe-an-unpopular

    https://www.france24.com/en/20190212-us-slams-repression-zimbabwe

    Instead, they intervened in Syria by helping anti-Assad forces & sending troops there to reduce Iran's influence & flooded Turkey & Europe with Ms of refugees as a result.
    The US territory of Puerto Rico after the last hurricane also produced many refugees to the mainland, but Trump & Macron r not bothered by that:
    https://www.cnn.com/2018/02/21/us/puerto-rico-migration-data-invs/index.html

    https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/hurricane-maria-puerto-rico-fema-displaced-families-temporary-housing-a8488266.html

    https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-politics/trump-puerto-rico-hurricane-fema-melania-san-juan-death-toll-mayor-a8386396.html

    http://www.wlrn.org/post/us-handled-puerto-rico-hurricane-aftermath-badly-says-refugee-group

    https://www.refugeesinternational.org/in-the-news/2018/7/13/npr-all-things-considered-fema-blamed-delays-in-puerto-rico-on-maria-agency-records-tell-another-story


    They know that there's no oil, gold, etc. to be extracted & that Russian bombers won't be landing there as long as it's not independent.  
    https://russian.rt.com/world/article/602000-gumanitarnaya-programma-ssha-venesuela


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    Re: Venezuela crisis

    Post  Aristide on Wed Feb 13, 2019 6:34 am

    Tsavo Lion wrote:I've been to Mexican border towns & saw the same thing.
    They'll remain miserable even after Maduro (I don't think is entirely blameless) is gone. In fact, the coming civil war will create more of them. The US & France, out of their concern, r not in hurry to invade Bangladesh, Burma, Haiti, Guatemala, Paraguay, & Zimbabwe, to name a few, to improve their economies & install better presidents.
    https://regnum.ru/news/2571231.html

    https://www.gov.uk/foreign-travel-advice/bangladesh

    http://karennews.org/2019/01/the-new-year-starts-with-armed-conflict-between-karen-and-burma-armies-in-northern-karen-state/

    https://www.foxnews.com/world/on-the-70th-anniversary-of-their-war-with-the-burma-army-landmark-peace-process-in-jeopardy-as-hundreds-of-karen-christians-flee-their-homes-under-fire

    https://www.columbiaspectator.com/news/2019/02/12/international-conference-held-at-barnard-calls-for-accountability-for-rohingya-genocide/

    https://www.yahoo.com/news/no-word-haitis-president-fear-paralyzes-capital-180719400.html

    https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2019/01/palm-oil-industry-expansion-spurs-guatemala-indigenous-migration-190122160154738.html

    https://www.npr.org/2019/01/22/685505116/killings-of-guatemalas-indigenous-activists-raise-specter-of-human-rights-crisis

    https://www.amnesty.org/en/latest/news/2019/02/guatemala-legislative-initiatives-seriously-threaten-human-rights/

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paraguay#Social_issues

    https://www.equaltimes.org/in-zimbabwe-an-unpopular

    https://www.france24.com/en/20190212-us-slams-repression-zimbabwe

    Instead, they intervened in Syria by helping anti-Assad forces & sending troops there to reduce Iran's influence & flooded Turkey & Europe with Ms of refugees as a result.
    The US territory of Puerto Rico after the last hurricane also produced many refugees to the mainland, but Trump & Macron r not bothered by that:
    https://www.cnn.com/2018/02/21/us/puerto-rico-migration-data-invs/index.html

    https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/hurricane-maria-puerto-rico-fema-displaced-families-temporary-housing-a8488266.html

    https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-politics/trump-puerto-rico-hurricane-fema-melania-san-juan-death-toll-mayor-a8386396.html

    http://www.wlrn.org/post/us-handled-puerto-rico-hurricane-aftermath-badly-says-refugee-group

    https://www.refugeesinternational.org/in-the-news/2018/7/13/npr-all-things-considered-fema-blamed-delays-in-puerto-rico-on-maria-agency-records-tell-another-story


    They know that there's no oil, gold, etc. to be extracted & that Russian bombers won't be landing there as long as it's not independent.  
    https://russian.rt.com/world/article/602000-gumanitarnaya-programma-ssha-venesuela

    Maduro failed and smashed his country at the wall. He is hated by majority of people. He eats in expensive restaurants, while millions in his country starve. His politics failed. Its obvious that things in venezuela have to change, no matter if you like it or not.
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    Re: Venezuela crisis

    Post  Tsavo Lion on Wed Feb 13, 2019 6:57 am

    He is hated by majority of people.
    Says who? The Western mass media? Did independent pollsters go there recently to confirm that?
    Besides, all active duty military have civilian family members & friends; if it was true, the army would have ousted him by now, esp. after threats from the US & efforts to have them defect.
    So, pl. stop repeating the same thing as a broken album record!
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    Re: Venezuela crisis

    Post  Aristide on Wed Feb 13, 2019 4:34 pm

    Tsavo Lion wrote:
    He is hated by majority of people.
    Says who? The Western mass media? Did independent pollsters go there recently to confirm that?
    Besides, all active duty military have civilian family members & friends; if it was true, the army would have ousted him by now, esp. after threats from the US & efforts to have them defect.
    So, pl. stop repeating the same thing as a broken album record!

    How many Venezuelans do you know?
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    Re: Venezuela crisis

    Post  Tsavo Lion on Wed Feb 13, 2019 9:09 pm

    It doesn't matter if I know none or 100K! I'm not a pollster to collect data & analyze what the real people's feelings & attitudes r toward Maduro. Some1 on this forum may know some who like Maduro & doesn't like Guido &/ Trump even more. Learn some logic & critical thinking!
    Many Soviets also hated Stalin but fought the Germans & their collaborators, including French, for 4 years.



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    Re: Venezuela crisis

    Post  Isos on Thu Feb 14, 2019 12:09 pm

    Back in time during sino soviet split, chinese said soviet gave up on cuban crisis. Will be funny to see what they will do to support those communists in Venezuela.
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    Re: Venezuela crisis

    Post  GarryB on Thu Feb 14, 2019 12:17 pm

    If Maduro is hated by the majority of Venezuelans then what is the problem... he should have lost the election last year by a majority vote and would not be in power now.

    Yet, there was a free and fair election last year with no violence and no cheating according to impartial international observers... the western countries demanding he step down are not saying he wasn't elected to the position he currently holds, but demand someone who has never received a single vote be recognised as the leader of Venezuela, because they think it should happen.

    It seems the west does not understand some fairly basic aspects of Democracy... but why let facts get in the way of pursuing western interests because they are even talking about civil war so they clearly don't give a shit about the people of Venezuela.

    Right now they might have some problems getting some types of food, but they are clearly not starving... because if they were we would see the children on CNN and the BBC as their bodies are taken away for burial... showing mothers of small dead children wailing about how it is all Maduros fault...

    The west disgusts me...

    A certain member likes to talk up the EU and France about how they are respected and powerful... but this proves the opposite... they are americas bitch and can't even work out that they are being used to replace a democratically elected leader of a country with a dictator that is largely unknown in the country they want to put him in charge of... but that doesn't matter... because they know once in power he will be in their debt for getting him into the position he is in... it worked in the middle east where the Saudi government is not democratic... nobody elects them... and they are western controlled dictators that allow them access to the oil wealth of the region.

    Back in time during sino soviet split, chinese said soviet gave up on cuban crisis. Will be funny to see what they will do to support those communists in Venezuela.

    You don't have communism if the people get a vote to decide the leadership.

    If the Chinese and Russians want the countries they invest in and trade with to trust them, then they have to act to defend cuba and venezuela from the west.

    I mean it is not like the West might start treating Russia and China badly and put sanctions on them... they are already doing that so there is literally nothing to lose. Sanctions from the west might hurt a little bit more, but not helping Venezuela hurts Russian and Chinese future relations with other non western countries more... they need to show that there is an alternative.

    Right now, for developing countries, they can choose to be told what to do and how to do it and effectively slowly get raped by the west as they plunder your countries resources. The alternative is to go it alone which is the option to become north korea and isolated.

    If China and Russia and other countries including Turkey and Vietnam will back Venezuela, then other countries will realise they don't have to accept western terms and privatise everything so western companies can come in and buy up everything of value that can make a profit. These countries can trade with Russia and China and develop and grow but without being told what to do and have western morals forced down their throat.
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    Re: Venezuela crisis

    Post  Tsavo Lion on Thu Feb 14, 2019 8:52 pm

    ..they are already doing that so there is literally nothing to lose. . If China and Russia and other countries including Turkey and Vietnam will back Venezuela,..
    With Brazil de-facto out of BRICS, they can't afford to lose Venezuela w/o putting up active resistance, as Cuba, Nicaragua, & Bolivia will be next. India is playing both sides as she doesn't want to be a junior partner to China. Vietnam won't get involved in S. America as she is busy opposing China in the SC Sea & doesn't need to antagonize the US.
    Even if they succeed in ousting Maduro, there'll be a long guerrilla war like in Colombia, Burma & Vietnam. Aristide can then join the French/Brazilian Special Forces or become a mercenary to put his life were his mouth is!
    Opposition Takes Steps to Seize Oil Revenue as Maduro Issues Threat
    Guaido's US Team Has Capacity to Use Venezuelan Embassy Bank Accounts
    Venezuela's US Lawyers Just Switched From Maduro to Guaido
    US Warns the World Against Buying Venezuelan Oil
    US Congress Won't Support Military Intervention in Venezuela: Rep. Engel
      https://www.antiwar.com/

    Abrams’ ability to hold high office and help shape US government policy despite decades of duplicity and complicity in the worst war crimes– including the Iraq War, which killed hundreds of thousands and displaced 4 million and destabilized the region, and ongoing crimes against humanity in Occupied Palestine– tells you all you need to know about how truly corrupt the American political establishment is.  
    https://www.juancole.com/2019/02/believe-anything-nailed.html

    Meanwhile, US rebukes Armenia over Syria deployment of medics & de-miners:
    https://eurasianet.org/us-rebukes-armenia-over-syria-deployment

    Venezuelan MFA: US lost - "coup did not happen" https://regnum.ru/news/polit/2573267.html
    https://regnum.ru/news/2564856.html

    The expert explained what the United States miscalculated, supporting the opposition in Venezuela

    The UN has created a group to counter interference in the affairs of Venezuela
    https://regnum.ru/news/polit/2573217.html

    Who was the accomplice of the genocide? China or USA? https://regnum.ru/news/polit/2573256.html


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    Re: Venezuela crisis

    Post  higurashihougi on Fri Feb 15, 2019 2:44 am

    Tsavo Lion wrote:Even if they succeed in ousting Maduro, there'll be a long guerrilla war like in Colombia, Burma & Vietnam. Aristide can then join the French/Brazilian Special Forces or become a mercenary to put his life were his mouth is!

    You know who is the special representative of US at Venezuela ? Elliot Abrams. The one who tried whitewashing the Mozote massacre and aided the genocide regime at Guatemala.

    If a war happens, there will be hundreds or thousands of children and woman who become victims of American-backed murderers.
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    Post  Tsavo Lion on Fri Feb 15, 2019 2:56 am

    I read all the links before posting them, so I know who he is. In 1 documentary about the Cold War, H. Kissinger said matter of factly on the people killed in the 3rd world: "they r the casualties of the Cold War".

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    Post  higurashihougi on Fri Feb 15, 2019 3:42 am

    Tsavo Lion wrote:I read all the links before posting them, so I know who he is.

    I know that you know. It is just a rhetoric question. Probably I used it in a wrong way.

    Sorry for my bad English.
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    Post  Aristide on Fri Feb 15, 2019 9:50 am

    I can only laugh about this.

    The first thing i find amusing is your strange and laughable attraction to USA.

    1. Maduro is a typical banana republic dictator. He is a dumb bus driver, has no intellect and ran his country against the wall. He is an idiot. According to you, Maduro was installed by UsA to do just that.

    2. France is not a bitch of USA. We are a bitch of wealth. We want money.

    We profit more if Maduro is gone. Because of that we support his demontation, which already is sucessful. Maduro is international dead. Support from poor regional powers like Bolivia, Russia or Turkey is not worth anything. Russia cant provide basic needs for its own people and already has Syria as expensive pet. It cant afford a 2nd pet. So Situation is like it is. A ripped apart country, starving population and a bus driver as president who cant meet neighbor countries governments, since none calls him president anymore.

    And please spare me the rubbish about democracy. Maduro had no oppossition.

    As for french interventions in South America, i would have no problem to participate.

    We live in 21st century, controlling and maintain drones from french guiana is quite easy.
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    Post  Tsavo Lion on Fri Feb 15, 2019 9:40 pm

    Maduro is a typical banana republic dictator. He is a dumb bus driver, has no intellect and ran his country against the wall. He is an idiot. According to you, Maduro was installed by UsA to do just that.

    No, he is not! Dictators there were all politicians &/ military men. Past profession isn't the only criteria to judge intelligence. Saddam Hussein & Kim were also labeled as "crazy" or "mad man" even though he had a law degree / was educated in Switzerland, respectively. As a former bus driver, he knows his people better than Guido; I never claimed that he was installed by the US, don't put words in my mouth!
    Because of that we support his demontation, which already is sucessful.
    I beg to differ:
    http://www.ng.ru/world/2019-02-15/100_190215_plan.html?print=Y

    Maduro Reveals Secret Meetings With US Envoy
    Maduro Ramps Up Legal Fight Against Guaido's Challenge
    Venezuelan Opposition Envoy Urges Foreign Help to Get Aid In
    Cuba Charges US Moving Special Forces, Preparing Venezuelan Intervention
    Venezuela Opens Investigation Into Opposition-Appointed PDVSA Directors
    https://www.antiwar.com/

    Time will tell!

    Russia cant provide basic needs for its own people and already has Syria as expensive pet. It cant afford a 2nd pet.
    They r used to hardship & their basic needs r lower than urs. They use existing budget for Syrian bases & ops., gain combat experience, & improve their defense posture in the E. Med. Sea vs. NATO & Turkey. Their arms get good advertisement & generate sales. How many profitable pets China already has? A lot- in Asia & Africa. 1 more won't brake the bank, & she invested there a lot more than Russia. They can send Ks of single men as volunteers to fight there as they did in Korea, & as Cuba did in Angola, which denied victory to the US & S. Africa.
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    Re: Venezuela crisis

    Post  Aristide on Fri Feb 15, 2019 9:53 pm

    Tsavo Lion wrote:
    Maduro is a typical banana republic dictator. He is a dumb bus driver, has no intellect and ran his country against the wall. He is an idiot. According to you, Maduro was installed by UsA to do just that.

    No, he is not! Dictators there were all politicians &/ military men. Past profession isn't the only criteria to judge intelligence. Saddam Hussein & Kim were also labeled as "crazy" or "mad man" even though he had a law degree / was educated in Switzerland, respectively. As a former bus driver, he knows his people better than Guido; I never claimed that he was installed by the US, don't put words in my mouth!
    Because of that we support his demontation, which already is sucessful.
    I beg to differ:
    http://www.ng.ru/world/2019-02-15/100_190215_plan.html?print=Y

    Maduro Reveals Secret Meetings With US Envoy
    Maduro Ramps Up Legal Fight Against Guaido's Challenge
    Venezuelan Opposition Envoy Urges Foreign Help to Get Aid In
    Cuba Charges US Moving Special Forces, Preparing Venezuelan Intervention
    Venezuela Opens Investigation Into Opposition-Appointed PDVSA Directors
    https://www.antiwar.com/

    Time will tell!

    Russia cant provide basic needs for its own people and already has Syria as expensive pet. It cant afford a 2nd pet.
    They r used to hardship & their basic needs r lower than urs. They use existing budget for Syrian bases & ops., gain combat experience, & improve their defense posture in the E. Med. Sea vs. NATO & Turkey. Their arms get good advertisement & generate sales. How many profitable pets China already has? A lot- in Asia & Africa. 1 more won't brake the bank, & she invested there a lot more than Russia. They can send Ks of single men as volunteers to fight there as they did in Korea, & as Cuba did in Angola, which denied victory to the US & S. Africa.


    Installing Maduro was great idea of USA then. He ruined Venezuela like a cancer.

    And yes, Maduro is finished. Isolated, no business with economic powers. When your allie is russia...you know you fucked up.

    Look dude...Angola? Poor shithole covered in landmines.

    You have a very strange idea of winning. As you said, we have a very high standard. You are happy to live in the dirt obvious.

    People like you are like a joke for me. Very Happy I huess you never had a lobster in your life.
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    Re: Venezuela crisis

    Post  Tsavo Lion on Fri Feb 15, 2019 10:26 pm

    Installing Maduro was great idea of USA then. He ruined Venezuela like a cancer.
    And yes, Maduro is finished. Isolated, no business with economic powers. When your allie is russia...you know you fucked up.
    No1 installed him, he assumed power after Chavez died, as per constitution, & then got reelected.
    Assad is also allied with Russia & he isn't going to retire anytime soon. Big investments from China,etc. r coming.
    Opponents say the 56-year-old former bus driver has lost touch with his working-class roots, accusing him of ordering mass arrests and starving Venezuelans while he and regime insiders — including the top military brass — line their pockets through corruption.
    But Maduro shrugged off the label of "dictator," attributing it to an ideologically driven media campaign by the West to undermine the socialist revolution started by the late Hugo Chavez.
    He said he won't resign, seeing his place in history alongside other Latin American leftists from Salvador Allende in Chile to Jacobo Arbenz in Guatemala who in decades past had been the target of U.S.-backed coups.
    "I'm not afraid," he said, adding that even last year's attack on him with explosives-laden drones during a military ceremony didn't shake his resolve. "I'm only worried about the destiny of the fatherland and of our people, our boys and girls....this is what gives me energy."

    https://www.foxnews.com/world/ap-interview-maduro-reveals-secret-meetings-with-us-envoy
    ..Angola? Poor shithole covered in landmines.
    They have the best oil in sub-Saharan Africa + diamonds, gold, etc., & that's why the US used S. Africa, UNITA & FNLA to prevent their independence from Portugal, declared in 1975, from taking hold.
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Angola#Civil_war
    https://fortuneofafrica.com/angola/2014/02/11/natural-resources-in-angola/
    https://www.worldatlas.com/articles/what-are-the-major-natural-resources-of-angola.html

    Now no1 is telling them how to live, the same with Vietnam & Laos- Ms of tourists go there & China invests there as well.
    Venezuela has large well equipped military & won't need a lot of Cubans or Chinese, at least in the beginning.
    https://rg.ru/2019/02/13/preduprezhdenie-agressoram-su-30mk2v-venesuely-zapustil-raketu-h-31.html?utm_source=warfiles.ru

    I huess you never had a lobster in your life.
    I had a lobster in Maine & crab legs in Virginia. I also had black & red caviar in USSR & USA, & been on a couple cruises on the Black Sea & in the Indo-Pacific.
    I swam in the Black, Caspian, Red, Caribbean & Yellow Seas. Also sailed on the "Green" Sea- known as the Sea of Japan; it has a greenish tint.
    U write about poverty, starvation & refugees in/from Venezuela but the same is now going on in Ukraine after the Western installed Poroshenko regime passed anti-Russian language laws & allowed the neo nazis terror:
    When the USSR fell apart in the early 90s. Ukraine was the wealthiest country of the ex soviet bloc. It's economy could be compared to that of France!
    Hitler and golodomor or Putin have nothing to do with the failure that Ukraine is today! The country is ruled by ex cons or oligarchs. The elites provoke one revolution after the other! They even went to war with their own people(donbass). Ukraines current president owns the biggest media/TV company in the country. He uses his media network for his own support and as a weapon toward his political enemies!

    https://www.quora.com/Why-is-Ukraine-extremely-poor-It-has-the-most-fertile-soils-in-the-world-but-it-has-a-GDP-of-1800-per-capita-comparable-to-the-poorest-African-countries
    https://www.borgenmagazine.com/poverty-in-ukraine/
    https://borgenproject.org/ukraine-poverty-rate/
    https://borgenproject.org/understanding-poverty-ukraine/
    https://russia-insider.com/en/politics/80-ukrainians-now-live-below-poverty-line/ri7538
    https://www.unicef.org/infobycountry/ukraine_25468.html
    https://www.wfp.org/stories/10-facts-about-food-insecurity-ukraine
    https://www.worldlifeexpectancy.com/ukraine-life-expectancy

    By some estimates, 30% of the population, or ~12.6-13.5M fled abroad, mostly to Russia, with 3,269,992 there as of 2015, to find work & better living conditions:
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ukrainian_diaspora#After_1991

    The coup, clashes & war in Donbass killed up to 13K people, incl. 3,318 civilians:
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Casualties_of_the_Ukrainian_crisis#Total_deaths

    So, by ur own logic, Poroshenko is worse than Maduro!
    Ur English could use better spelling- use the spell check- maybe then u'll learn it better!
    To me it's u that is pathetic, full of self-conceited shit & delusions!
    https://www.vocabulary.com/dictionary/self-conceited


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    Re: Venezuela crisis

    Post  GarryB on Sat Feb 16, 2019 1:10 am

    2. France is not a bitch of USA. We are a bitch of wealth. We want money.

    So you are a money whore... OK.

    So if democracy means nothing and you don't give a fuck about the people of Venezuela, then what you are saying is that Maduro needs to go because you think you can steal more money from a low life puppet of the US like Guano than the democratically elected Maduro...

    Hey, you are a money slut.

    Congrats.

    But Maduro is still there... so you are an unhappy money slut...
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    Re: Venezuela crisis

    Post  Tsavo Lion on Sat Feb 16, 2019 1:45 am

    I just hope that maybe, just maybe, not all well to do French r like him!
    Too bad for them that $ don't grow on trees! When the value of that fiat $ plummet, some of those investors kill themselves. Good riddance!
    How will the events in Venezuela develop?


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    Re: Venezuela crisis

    Post  Aristide on Sat Feb 16, 2019 6:53 am

    GarryB wrote:
    2. France is not a bitch of USA. We are a bitch of wealth. We want money.

    So you are a money whore... OK.

    So if democracy means nothing and you don't give a fuck about the people of Venezuela, then what you are saying is that Maduro needs to go because you think you can steal more money from a low life puppet of the US like Guano than the democratically elected Maduro...

    Hey, you are a money slut.

    Congrats.

    But Maduro is still there... so you are an unhappy money slut...

    Are we unhappy? France already kept 60 tons of Gold from Venezuela last month, that was stored in Paris. UK kept 45 tons.

    At the moment we make huge profits with Maduro in charge. He obviously is too weak to prevent that.
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    Re: Venezuela crisis

    Post  Tsavo Lion on Sat Feb 16, 2019 7:25 am

    France already kept 60 tons of Gold from Venezuela last month, that was stored in Paris. UK kept 45 tons.
    Who else is going to store gold there after this? U'll loose more than u'll gain- in this life, u r going to pay for everything sooner or later! They'll know who is going to buy/move that stolen gold & make a note of it, & may be rataliated against later.
    At the moment we make huge profits with Maduro in charge.
    Then, leave him alone!

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