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    Re: Venezuela crisis

    Post  Isos on Thu Feb 07, 2019 5:05 pm

    miketheterrible wrote:This Guido guy only has a couple weeks left before his 30 day period ends from his claim to presidency.  Big chance is, he will face jail.  This coup isn't working and thus why US is constantly resorting to cheap threats.

    It's half working. People are fed up with Maduro. But they also know this guy works for CIA and they know very well what US are trying to do. They want a new president, they don't want this guy to be president as US try to sell it.

    Maduro should play nice and not use the force. Just prove that US are behind all this with evidences.
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    Re: Venezuela crisis

    Post  Aristide on Thu Feb 07, 2019 7:14 pm

    Isos wrote:
    miketheterrible wrote:This Guido guy only has a couple weeks left before his 30 day period ends from his claim to presidency.  Big chance is, he will face jail.  This coup isn't working and thus why US is constantly resorting to cheap threats.

    It's half working. People are fed up with Maduro. But they also know this guy works for CIA and they know very well what US are trying to do. They want a new president, they don't want this guy to be president as US try to sell it.

    Maduro should play nice and not use the force. Just prove that US are behind all this with evidences.

    Its not about USA. Maduro is finished. The people want his head.

    He lost legitimacy. Not just USA and all EU players deposed him. Chile, Brazil, Argentina, Colombia as well.

    He is done.
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    Re: Venezuela crisis

    Post  Walther von Oldenburg on Thu Feb 07, 2019 7:18 pm

    Guys, do you think US would be daring enough to invade Venezuela?
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    Re: Venezuela crisis

    Post  Aristide on Thu Feb 07, 2019 7:20 pm

    Walther von Oldenburg wrote:Guys, do you think US would be daring enough to invade Venezuela?

    Why should it? Time works for them. The people in Venezuela starve. Maduro is international dead.
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    Re: Venezuela crisis

    Post  Tsavo Lion on Thu Feb 07, 2019 7:48 pm

    Maduro is finished. The people want his head.
    He lost legitimacy. Not just USA and all EU players deposed him. Chile, Brazil, Argentina, Colombia as well.
    No, he's not deposed yet! Many other people, incl. the military, want him to stay. Those countries except Colombia, a long time de-facto US protectorate, were themselves "regime changed", so their toeing of the US line is not any more legitimate. Certainly the Argentinian Pope (& Ms of Catholics behind him) isn't 1 of them, & he offered mediation.
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    Re: Venezuela crisis

    Post  Aristide on Thu Feb 07, 2019 8:11 pm

    Tsavo Lion wrote:
    Maduro is finished. The people want his head.
    He lost legitimacy. Not just USA and all EU players deposed him. Chile, Brazil, Argentina, Colombia as well.
    No, he's not deposed yet! Many other people, incl. the military, want him to stay. Those countries except Colombia, a long time de-facto US protectorate, were themselves "regime changed", so their toeing of the US line is not any more legitimate. Certainly the Argentinian Pope (& Ms of Catholics behind him) isn't 1 of them, & he offered mediation.

    3 million refugees,

    collapsed economy

    extreme poverty

    Btw i´m catholic and i see the current pope as pathetic. He has no halt in the Vatican and is isolated.

    I ss a catholic can tell you that i would spit that leftist, socialist and globalist slime in the face.

    So yes, Maduro is done. He has no solution to better his countries situation. It gets worse and worse and he cant feed his people.

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    Re: Venezuela crisis

    Post  Tsavo Lion on Thu Feb 07, 2019 8:38 pm

    If u r a true Catholic, then u should follow ur Pope- he's the link between u & ur God who put him in Vatican. He's an ethnic Italian & Italy blocked the EU recognition of that Guido scum.
    So yes, Maduro is done. He has no solution to better his countries situation.
    Others may help him, like they helped Assad. The bad situation was made worse by the US sanctions. Stalin, Mao & Kim also presided over famines but stayed in power for decades while helping each other & others in the 3rd World.
    https://vz.ru/world/2019/2/7/962917.print.html

    Trump Hawks don’t Care about Democracy, they Want a Brutal Coup for Venezuelan Oil









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    Re: Venezuela crisis

    Post  Aristide on Fri Feb 08, 2019 8:13 am

    Tsavo Lion wrote:If u r a true Catholic, then u should follow ur Pope- he's the link between u & ur God who put him in Vatican. He's an ethnic Italian & Italy blocked the EU recognition of that Guido scum.
    So yes, Maduro is done. He has no solution to better his countries situation.
    Others may help him, like they helped Assad. The bad situation was made worse by the US sanctions. Stalin, Mao & Kim also presided over famines but stayed in power for decades while helping each other & others in the 3rd World.
    https://vz.ru/world/2019/2/7/962917.print.html

    Trump Hawks don’t Care about Democracy, they Want a Brutal Coup for Venezuelan Oil









    The sanctions were installed few weeks ago. Venezuela plunged into chaos years ago.

    And venezuela oil is worthless. USA already have full acess to it, infact they hold maduros regime alive artificial for years.

    Beside that you obviously are unaware of catholic history. Lots of popes got deposed and france even installed counter popes before.

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    Re: Venezuela crisis

    Post  higurashihougi on Fri Feb 08, 2019 9:15 am

    Aristide wrote:I ss a catholic can tell you that i would spit that leftist, socialist and globalist slime in the face.

    Go. Sell everything you have and give all these to the poor. The follow Jesus. If you are rich you can't enter the Kingdom of Heaven.
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    Re: Venezuela crisis

    Post  Aristide on Fri Feb 08, 2019 10:24 am

    higurashihougi wrote:
    Aristide wrote:I ss a catholic can tell you that i would spit that leftist, socialist and globalist slime in the face.

    Go. Sell everything you have and give all these to the poor. The follow Jesus. If you are rich you can't enter the Kingdom of Heaven.

    Being wealthy is not a sin in catholic church. Communism is seen as a sin.

    According to Pius XII in his encyclical on atheistic communism, he supported capitalism. In the early 1900’s the church supported capitalism by making holding a communist ideology an excommunicable offense.

    The Church even produced propaganda about how bad communism is, through three shepherd children in Fatima. Our Lady of Fatima proclaimed that communism was a horrible thing and that to defeat it, one must pray the rosary.
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    Re: Venezuela crisis

    Post  GarryB on Fri Feb 08, 2019 12:28 pm

    So if all that oil is worthless, why is America even giving the country the time of day?

    Clearly it is the opposite of worthless... with US control of Venezuelan oil then America could control oil prices just by jacking up production in Venezuela... they could even sell it to themselves to force down the price and then store it for a rainy day...

    The Church even produced propaganda about how bad communism is, through three shepherd children in Fatima. Our Lady of Fatima proclaimed that communism was a horrible thing and that to defeat it, one must pray the rosary.

    Yeah, a church that turns nuns into sex slaves and prostitutes and supports the molesting of small boys... they even have an arrangement to send them to new hunting grounds when word gets out... a sex network for child molesting perverts... I wouldn't listen to the catholic church about anything...

    America likes to see central and south american countries dependent on them and when they look elsewhere they end up in the Shit... so it is not surprise they are promoting Guano as a new leader for Venezuela... never received a vote from the venezuelan public in his life but he is suddenly their best option?

    Please...

    There are threads about Venezuela on this forum that go back years... Venezuela was going to collapse in 2012 too BTW... everything was falling from the sky... it is not rocket science and no matter how much our local monkey says it, it has nothing to do with communism... and everything to do with a country that depends on oil at a time when the price of oil is rather low.
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    Re: Venezuela crisis

    Post  Aristide on Fri Feb 08, 2019 12:32 pm

    GarryB wrote:So if all that oil is worthless, why is America even giving the country the time of day?

    Clearly it is the opposite of worthless... with US control of Venezuelan oil then America could control oil prices just by jacking up production in Venezuela... they could even sell it to themselves to force down the price and then store it for a rainy day...

    The Church even produced propaganda about how bad communism is, through three shepherd children in Fatima. Our Lady of Fatima proclaimed that communism was a horrible thing and that to defeat it, one must pray the rosary.

    Yeah, a church that turns nuns into sex slaves and prostitutes and supports the molesting of small boys... they even have an arrangement to send them to new hunting grounds when word gets out... a sex network for child molesting perverts... I wouldn't listen to the catholic church about anything...

    America likes to see central and south american countries dependent on them and when they look elsewhere they end up in the Shit... so it is not surprise they are promoting Guano as a new leader for Venezuela... never received a vote from the venezuelan public in his life but he is suddenly their best option?

    Please...

    There are threads about Venezuela on this forum that go back years... Venezuela was going to collapse in 2012 too BTW... everything was falling from the sky... it is not rocket science and no matter how much our local monkey says it, it has nothing to do with communism... and everything to do with a country that depends on oil at a time when the price of oil is rather low.

    Venezueala oil is the lowest quality on the market, needs extreme raffination and has the viscosity of tar. It only gets lucrative when oil prices are very high. They are low...

    Dude...USA already is with 90% market share the only customer of this shit. USA hekd maduro alive in the last years. The only facilities to utilize that shit are located in USA.

    This isnt about oil, its about influence in the region.
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    Re: Venezuela crisis

    Post  flamming_python on Fri Feb 08, 2019 12:58 pm

    Aristide wrote:According to Pius XII in his encyclical on atheistic communism, he supported capitalism. In the early 1900’s the church supported capitalism by making holding a communist ideology an excommunicable offense.

    Then the Catholic Church should excommunicate Jesus Christ then, post-humously.
    He was the first one to preach what we now know today as communist values after all.
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    Re: Venezuela crisis

    Post  GarryB on Fri Feb 08, 2019 1:24 pm

    This isnt about oil, its about influence in the region.

    It is certainly about influence too.... and US arrogance... the Russians and Chinese are getting too friendly with quite a few countries in Americas back yard and that is just not acceptable to them... they would rather destroy Venezuela than see it continue...

    And it is always about oil... America wouldn't care less about Assad... except there is oil in his country and he is friends with Russia and Iran...

    The US controls 90% of the Venezuelan oil sales because it considers it its back yard... if the US succeeds, the first thing Guano will do is privatise everything because foreign ownership of Venezuelan resources can only help the Venezuelan people...

    Just saw on this website a video posted by Vann showing venzuelans leaving venezuela... originally shown by CNN, but the russian news company that reviewed their video footage noticed they were all well dressed and none of them looked like they were starving, and the bags and trolleys they had were empty... some had children with them... and then it turns out that the Columbians offered them $30 US dollars per person in aide as refugees... so they crossed the border... did some shopping and then went home to Venezuela with their bags full... each of those kids they took over got them an extra $30 each...

    Wouldn't trust the western media to tell me the time of day... lying bastards.

    Would not be so bad if they were actually trying to help some poor people... but they are actually trying to help some very very rich people become even richer at the expense of poor people getting even poorer.
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    Re: Venezuela crisis

    Post  Aristide on Fri Feb 08, 2019 7:07 pm

    GarryB wrote:
    This isnt about oil, its about influence in the region.

    It is certainly about influence too.... and US arrogance... the Russians and Chinese are getting too friendly with quite a few countries in Americas back yard and that is just not acceptable to them... they would rather destroy Venezuela than see it continue...

    And it is always about oil... America wouldn't care less about Assad... except there is oil in his country and he is friends with Russia and Iran...

    The US controls 90% of the Venezuelan oil sales because it considers it its back yard... if the US succeeds, the first thing Guano will do is privatise everything because foreign ownership of Venezuelan resources can only help the Venezuelan people...

    Just saw on this website a video posted by Vann showing venzuelans leaving venezuela... originally shown by CNN, but the russian news company that reviewed their video footage noticed they were all well dressed and none of them looked like they were starving, and the bags and trolleys they had were empty... some had children with them... and then it turns out that the Columbians offered them $30 US dollars per person in aide as refugees... so they crossed the border... did some shopping and then went home to Venezuela with their bags full... each of those kids they took over got them an extra $30 each...

    Wouldn't trust the western media to tell me the time of day... lying bastards.

    Would not be so bad if they were actually trying to help some poor people... but they are actually trying to help some very very rich people become even richer at the expense of poor people getting even poorer.

    Venezuela has no oil, it has tar.
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    Re: Venezuela crisis

    Post  George1 on Fri Feb 08, 2019 10:17 pm

    Aristide wrote:

    Venezuela has no oil, it has tar.

    are you crazy? Shocked
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    Re: Venezuela crisis

    Post  GarryB on Sat Feb 09, 2019 2:22 am

    ...well you could say that when the US sees oil in a weak vulnerable country it says Ta... (ie thank you)

    But only because the US is a giant oil tick on the arse of the planet...
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    Re: Venezuela crisis

    Post  Aristide on Sat Feb 09, 2019 8:50 am

    George1 wrote:
    Aristide wrote:

    Venezuela has no oil, it has tar.

    are you crazy? Shocked

    Google the quality of venezuela oil. It needs extreme raffination and is the lowest quality on the market. It is only profitable when oil prices are high. It has the viscosity of tar. Needs othrr oils to be added to lower viscosity.

    I have news for you, oil is not all same.
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    Re: Venezuela crisis

    Post  Tsavo Lion on Sat Feb 09, 2019 9:24 am

    It has the viscosity of tar.
    Canadian tar sands r no better, yet pipelines were being built to the US.
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Athabasca_oil_sands#Economics
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Athabasca_oil_sands#Geopolitical_importance

    But that's besides the point: controlling it enables 1 to control the world prices & thus the economies of Russia, Iran, Japan & China.
    The US only controlled the export of it by default, buying 90% of it. Now, with sanctions in place, which made the economy worse, Maduro will stop sending his oil to the US, as he won't even get paid for it.
    This isnt about oil, its about influence in the region.
    It is about oil- the US failed to take over Saddam's Iraqi & Qaddafi's Libyan oil, so now Trump tries to do "damage control" by taking Maduro's oil & kick out the Russian & Chinese oil companies out of the country. The US has huge influence in L. America as is- all of it's economy depends on the US economy.
    Btw Syria has little oil; it's the fact that it's allied with Iran (& Iraq, for that matter) that made Israel & its protege the US very nervous. Russia prevented their regime change ops, & will be present there for long time to come.

    Venezuelan Supreme Court repealed the law on the "transition to democracy"
    https://regnum.ru/news/polit/2569347.html

    Guaydo admits the invasion of Americans in Venezuela https://regnum.ru/news/polit/2569411.html
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    Re: Venezuela crisis

    Post  Aristide on Sat Feb 09, 2019 11:29 am

    Tsavo Lion wrote:
    It has the viscosity of tar.
    Canadian tar sands r no better, yet pipelines were being built to the US.
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Athabasca_oil_sands#Economics
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Athabasca_oil_sands#Geopolitical_importance

    But that's besides the point: controlling it enables 1 to control the world prices & thus the economies of Russia, Iran, Japan & China.
    The US only controlled the export of it by default, buying 90% of it. Now, with sanctions in place, which made the economy worse, Maduro will stop sending his oil to the US, as he won't even get paid for it.
    This isnt about oil, its about influence in the region.
    It is about oil- the US failed to take over Saddam's Iraqi & Qaddafi's Libyan oil, so now Trump tries to do "damage control" by taking Maduro's oil & kick out the Russian & Chinese oil companies out of the country. The US has huge influence in L. America as is- all of it's economy depends on the US economy.
    Btw Syria has little oil; it's the fact that it's allied with Iran (& Iraq, for that matter) that made Israel & its protege the US very nervous. Russia prevented their regime change ops, & will be present there for long time to come.

    Venezuelan Supreme Court repealed the law on the "transition to democracy"
    https://regnum.ru/news/polit/2569347.html

    Guaydo admits the invasion of Americans in Venezuela https://regnum.ru/news/polit/2569411.html

    Fun fact, maduro cant sell it to anyone else, because the only processing facilities of that high viscosity oils are in USA and France.

    Also whats your problem? Countries have interests. Its a french interest to get rid of Maduro. So we do work on that.

    You are also wrong about Libya. The libyan oil is now owned by french and italian oil companies.
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    Re: Venezuela crisis

    Post  higurashihougi on Sat Feb 09, 2019 2:26 pm

    Aristide wrote:Fun fact, maduro cant sell it to anyone else, because the only processing facilities of that high viscosity oils are in USA and France.

    Also whats your problem? Countries have interests. Its a french interest to get rid of Maduro. So we do work on that.

    You are also wrong about Libya. The libyan oil is now owned by french and italian oil companies.

    It's good that Aristide finally become honest about it. The West's concern has nothing to do with democracy or Venezuelan people but many things to do with the profit of Western capitalism.

    Who care whether the country is democratic or authoritarian ? The West don't care if Saudi has a full dictator regime. If a dictatorship gain profit for Western capitalism... then the West will nuture it.

    More reason to back Maduro or any Venezuelan who has the gut to oppose Western hegemony. What the West wants is a docile and weak Venezuela, not a strong and prosperous one.
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    Post  Aristide on Sat Feb 09, 2019 3:05 pm

    higurashihougi wrote:
    Aristide wrote:Fun fact, maduro cant sell it to anyone else, because the only processing facilities of that high viscosity oils are in USA and France.

    Also whats your problem? Countries have interests. Its a french interest to get rid of Maduro. So we do work on that.

    You are also wrong about Libya. The libyan oil is now owned by french and italian oil companies.

    It's good that Aristide finally become honest about it. The West's concern has nothing to do with democracy or Venezuelan people but many things to do with the profit of Western capitalism.

    Who care whether the country is democratic or authoritarian ? The West don't care if Saudi has a full dictator regime. If a dictatorship gain profit for Western capitalism... then the West will nuture it.

    More reason to back Maduro or any Venezuelan who has the gut to oppose Western hegemony. What the West wants is a docile and weak Venezuela, not a strong and prosperous one.

    Well, ypu dont get a strong and prosperous Venezuela with Maduro as well. He drove the country against the wall. You cant blame the west for maduros mistakes.

    Beside that, democracy in 3rd world shitholes doesent fund my fancy vacations and stuff.
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    Post  Tsavo Lion on Sat Feb 09, 2019 8:23 pm

    ++++
    You are also wrong about Libya. The Libyan oil is now owned by french and Italian oil companies.
    Good luck to them, they still don't own all of it & it's not going to last forever even if they do; but the US doesn't, & that's what I said!
    ..democracy in 3rd world shitholes doesent fund my fancy vacations ..
    Western colonialism & neocolonialism made them so; most recently under the banner of spreading Western style democracy- like the bygone Romans spreading their version of civilization they themselves learned from Etruscans & Greeks to barbarians & the Spaniards (& to the lesser extent, Portuguese, French, etc.) Christianity to heathens, with genocide, plunder & slavery as a bi-product.
    https://www.timemaps.com/civilizations/etruscans/


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    Re: Venezuela crisis

    Post  Aristide on Sat Feb 09, 2019 8:35 pm

    Tsavo Lion wrote:++++
    You are also wrong about Libya. The Libyan oil is now owned by french and Italian oil companies.
    Good luck to them, they still don't own all of it & it's not going to last forever even if they do; but the US doesn't, & that's what I said!
    ..democracy in 3rd world shitholes doesent fund my fancy vacations ..
    Western colonialism & neocolonialism made them so; most recently under the banner of spreading Western style democracy- like the bygone Romans spreading their version civilization to barbarians & the Spaniards (& to the lesser extent, Portuguese, French, etc.) Christianity to heathens, with genocide & slavery as a bi-product.

    I think we talk into the air.

    Yes, we own all of the Libyan oil. We play both sides and the contracts went to TOTAL and ENI. Before we had to deal with Kadhafi, now we have direct acess.



    And i think most of the places were shitholes before we conquered them. At least for our standard. The Aztec empire was a hell. Same was the Inka empire. Africa was always a shithole.

    France gains much of its economic power from our former colonies. We still have them 100% dependend on us. If we would lose control over them, our luxury would drop by 30%.

    I´m not willing to give up my living standard.

    Also evry country has interests. You may accept that it is in french interests to get rid of Maduro.
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    Re: Venezuela crisis

    Post  GarryB on Sat Feb 09, 2019 8:51 pm

    You cant blame the west for maduros mistakes.

    But you can blame it for being a hipocritical piece of shit that lies and cheats and steals worse that some of the greatest villans in history... all the while writing in its own history books how wonderful it is to be so great for the development of civilisation on the planet.

    They talk about democracy and peace and the value of human life and they just do the opposite to feed the 1% of super rich to make them slightly richer.

    Western colonialism & neocolonialism made them so; most recently under the banner of spreading Western style democracy-

    The other problem is that they believe they are the pinnacle of civilisation and democracy in the universe... they are on transmit... not receive...  the Borg, the Ori, the Wraith... all rolled in to one...

    You may accept that it is in french interests to get rid of Maduro.

    Dude, you don't give a shit about anyone but yourself... why would you expect us to care or support French interests... or even bother to find out what they might be in this case... I am sure what really happens is that Washington tells Micron what to say and he says it... and then he gets a pat on the head and a biscuit... and he wags his tail and gives a little bark at how clever he is...

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