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    Re: Boris Nemtsov killed

    Post  Regular on Tue Mar 10, 2015 7:41 am

    What a bull...this case is getting on media.

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    Re: Boris Nemtsov killed

    Post  cracker on Tue Mar 10, 2015 5:35 pm

    I really don't like that chechen story... It might be true, but we have to see the MOTIVES of those guys, any info released on their motives?

    The one who refused to surrender and suicided with a grenade, though, adds some credibility to the story... I can't imagine them plotting up such a detailed event...

    I'd have preferred a investigation towards sacrificial act from opposition or from US led directives, or ukrainian, etc... That investigators or even kremlin dare say this publicly, but, they have not, maybe just because it ISNt true, and because indeed those chechens are the culprits. will have to wait and see for their motivations...

    According to what did nemtsov and who he was, it's not a bad thing that he's down, but it could have been done more quietly... Such traitors in a country like USA would have disapeared in a matter of hours if he did a 10th of what nemtsov did against its country recently

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    Re: Boris Nemtsov killed

    Post  Regular on Tue Mar 10, 2015 6:39 pm

    And what would be analogues of Nemtsov in USA then? You can see american 5th column on RT everyday and they tend not to kill themselves with 3 bullets in their head and etc.
    Chechen version stinks too much of Politkovskaja.
    The guy who did it is is too close to Ramzan too.

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    Re: Boris Nemtsov killed

    Post  Regular on Tue Mar 10, 2015 6:41 pm

    Just my opinion.
    Maybe Nemtsov was a gift. A gift from Ramzan to Putin. And Putin didn't like it. Listen to Kadyrov statements now..

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    Re: Boris Nemtsov killed

    Post  sepheronx on Tue Mar 10, 2015 6:47 pm

    Regular wrote:Just my opinion.
    Maybe Nemtsov was a gift. A gift from Ramzan to Putin. And Putin didn't like it. Listen to Kadyrov statements now..  

    What are his statements now? Last one I read was he would die for Russia.

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    Re: Boris Nemtsov killed

    Post  magnumcromagnon on Tue Mar 10, 2015 7:50 pm

    Regular wrote:Just my opinion.
    Maybe Nemtsov was a gift. A gift from Ramzan to Putin. And Putin didn't like it. Listen to Kadyrov statements now..  

    Sounds like nonsense that you made up with no evidence, Putin has 86% approval rating and Nemtsov was a failed demagogue with virtually no support in Russia, and almost all his support from Zbignew Brzezinski (the worlds' most influential Russophobe) affiliated organizations, and now has been deified as a martyred  saint by them. Let's put this in to context one month earlier in Argentina the president (Cristina Fernández de Kirchner) who is Pro-Russian and Anti-Washington has been heavily demonized in American media and accused with false accusations about killing a right-wing prosecutor who is Pro-American and Pro-Israeli. All the claims against her have been thrown out of court and were found to be unsubstantiated, just like the current claims of the Putin faction having a nobody killed who posed no threat to Putin whatsoever, there hasn't been any concrete evidence to back the claims up.

    Clutching straws won't cut the mustard.

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    Re: Boris Nemtsov killed

    Post  flamming_python on Wed Mar 11, 2015 1:13 am

    If Kadyrov really is behind this then it's time to make a decision, and put this fuck out of his misery right over at whichever of the palaces he has built for himself he's residing in right now.

    The new SSO command can get some action.

    Kadyrov has done a lot for his republic and has served Russia well too in a number of functions, but he only grows bolder and seems to accept no boundaries. Were he more patient and wiser, he could have built a fine political career for himself. Now he and his thugs are becoming a major liability to the Russian state; they are terorrizing the capital, which is supposed to be a peaceful European city not a place where politicians can be murdered right in front of the seat of government.

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    Re: Boris Nemtsov killed

    Post  kvs on Wed Mar 11, 2015 1:37 am

    flamming_python wrote:If Kadyrov really is behind this then it's time to make a decision, and put this fuck out of his misery right over at whichever of the palaces he has built for himself he's residing in right now.

    The new SSO command can get some action.

    Kadyrov has done a lot for his republic and has served Russia well too in a number of functions, but he only grows bolder and seems to accept no boundaries. Were he more patient and wiser, he could have built a fine political career for himself. Now he and his thugs are becoming a major liability to the Russian state; they are terorrizing the capital, which is supposed to be a peaceful European city not a place where politicians can be murdered right in front of the seat of government.

    I'll take Kadyrov over the previous jihadi strife any time. People apply standards to Chechnya that are detached from the reality on the
    ground. Russia needs pragmatism and not fake EU "values". Those are for Bandera-tards.

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    Re: Boris Nemtsov killed

    Post  flamming_python on Wed Mar 11, 2015 1:47 am

    kvs wrote:
    flamming_python wrote:If Kadyrov really is behind this then it's time to make a decision, and put this fuck out of his misery right over at whichever of the palaces he has built for himself he's residing in right now.

    The new SSO command can get some action.

    Kadyrov has done a lot for his republic and has served Russia well too in a number of functions, but he only grows bolder and seems to accept no boundaries. Were he more patient and wiser, he could have built a fine political career for himself. Now he and his thugs are becoming a major liability to the Russian state; they are terorrizing the capital, which is supposed to be a peaceful European city not a place where politicians can be murdered right in front of the seat of government.

    I'll take Kadyrov over the previous jihadi strife any time.   People apply standards to Chechnya that are detached from the reality on the
    ground.   Russia needs pragmatism and not fake EU "values".   Those are for Bandera-tards.

    This isn't about Chechnya, it's about the rest of Russia and how Kadyrov uses his gangsters to do anything he wants here, like as if he owns the place.
    Obviously, he doesn't own the place, he's already butted heads with the FSB over some incidents, murders of his enemies here or whatever other altercations he's had with the Russian security organs. Last time around, the Kadyrovtsy got away with no charges over something; I believe a whole bunch of FSB agents threatened to resign or decided to resign.
    The Siloviki have long despised him yet Putin never snapped him back into his place - at least not publically.

    Even for Chechnya, Kadyrov and his methods will have to go sooner or later. It is a subject of the Russian Federation and thus obligated to follow the Constitution and Russia's laws. Chechnya diverges from quite a number of these norms at the moment. But whatever, maybe Kadyrov knows best and what's neccessery right now - I'm not one to argue the point - I'm really more concerned about what his continued existence means for the rest of Russia, and the safety of Russia's citizens - including people like that same Nemtsov, who as Russian citizens are supposed to be protected by our laws and security establishments.

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    Re: Boris Nemtsov killed

    Post  sepheronx on Wed Mar 11, 2015 2:34 am

    flamming_python wrote:
    kvs wrote:
    flamming_python wrote:If Kadyrov really is behind this then it's time to make a decision, and put this fuck out of his misery right over at whichever of the palaces he has built for himself he's residing in right now.

    The new SSO command can get some action.

    Kadyrov has done a lot for his republic and has served Russia well too in a number of functions, but he only grows bolder and seems to accept no boundaries. Were he more patient and wiser, he could have built a fine political career for himself. Now he and his thugs are becoming a major liability to the Russian state; they are terorrizing the capital, which is supposed to be a peaceful European city not a place where politicians can be murdered right in front of the seat of government.

    I'll take Kadyrov over the previous jihadi strife any time.   People apply standards to Chechnya that are detached from the reality on the
    ground.   Russia needs pragmatism and not fake EU "values".   Those are for Bandera-tards.

    This isn't about Chechnya, it's about the rest of Russia and how Kadyrov uses his gangsters to do anything he wants here, like as if he owns the place.
    Obviously, he doesn't own the place, he's already butted heads with the FSB over some incidents, murders of his enemies here or whatever other altercations he's had with the Russian security organs. Last time around, the Kadyrovtsy got away with no charges over something; I believe a whole bunch of FSB agents threatened to resign or decided to resign.
    The Siloviki have long despised him yet Putin never snapped him back into his place - at least not publically.

    Even for Chechnya, Kadyrov and his methods will have to go sooner or later. It is a subject of the Russian Federation and thus obligated to follow the Constitution and Russia's laws. Chechnya diverges from quite a number of these norms at the moment. But whatever, maybe Kadyrov knows best and what's neccessery right now - I'm not one to argue the point - I'm really more concerned about what his continued existence means for the rest of Russia, and the safety of Russia's citizens - including people like that same Nemtsov, who as Russian citizens are supposed to be protected by our laws and security establishments.

    But was it Kadyrov? Probably not cause now he is ordering the investigation as to why this guy left the military. If you just get rid of Kadyrov, it could cause some major issues in Chechnya again and fuel conflict in that region as it will be viewed that "Russians" are impeding on their region. Having republic status kinda gives me a little more autonomy and just going in will cause problems. I for one cannot care for Nemtsov and I too would take Kadyrov over Nemtsov but at the same time, Kadyrov is a gangster and shouldn't be doing what he is doing. But if it is more or less confined in Chechnya, then keep it that way. If it wouldn't have been this Chechen guy, it could have been someone else. Seems there were a lot of people, nationalists or not, that wanted him dead.

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    Re: Boris Nemtsov killed

    Post  magnumcromagnon on Wed Mar 11, 2015 4:39 am

    Looking all the straws being clutched...a Chechen guy kills Nemtsov therefore Kadyrov must be behind it! lol1 The Boston Marathon bomber was Chechen, was Kadyrov behind that too? What about Chechen members joining ISIS, is Kadyrov the secret caliph of ISIL lmao?

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    Re: Boris Nemtsov killed

    Post  magnumcromagnon on Thu Mar 12, 2015 6:02 pm

    EU wants a international investigation on Nemtsov's murder, it's so obvious he was set up to be a pseudo-martyr it's sickening:

    EU lawmakers demand international investigation into Nemtsov’s death

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    Re: Boris Nemtsov killed

    Post  sepheronx on Thu Mar 12, 2015 6:13 pm

    magnumcromagnon wrote:EU wants a international investigation on Nemtsov's murder, it's so obvious he was set up to be a pseudo-martyr it's sickening:

    EU lawmakers demand international investigation into Nemtsov’s death

    You dont see eu and other demanding this when politicians in US dies, or other countries. I would decline and tell them, in writing, that only if Russia can be involved in investigations ongoing in their respective countries. If not, then no deal.

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    Re: Boris Nemtsov killed

    Post  kvs on Thu Mar 12, 2015 9:30 pm

    magnumcromagnon wrote:EU wants a international investigation on Nemtsov's murder, it's so obvious he was set up to be a pseudo-martyr it's sickening:

    EU lawmakers demand international investigation into Nemtsov’s death

    Of course these sick f*cks don't even acknowledge the war crimes of their puppets in Kiev. For example the thousands of civilians murdered
    by indiscriminate shelling. No calls for any war crimes tribunals. Nothing. It didn't happen. Now they demand to investigate some obvious
    frame up killing of a two bit nobody who should have been in jail for being part of the Yeltsin regime.

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    Re: Boris Nemtsov killed

    Post  GarryB on Fri Mar 13, 2015 12:57 am

    Hmmm the EU wants something... who cares.

    Perhaps Russia wants an international investigation into that Russian guy that died in London because of course British investigators can't be trusted to do it right....


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    Re: Boris Nemtsov killed

    Post  Werewolf on Fri Mar 13, 2015 1:05 am

    GarryB wrote:Hmmm the EU wants something... who cares.

    Perhaps Russia wants an international investigation into that Russian guy that died in London because of course British investigators can't be trusted to do it right....

    In that case you are right, i wouldn't trust UK or US investigators, there are quite a few reasons to fear this injustice system especially if you are a whistleblower or anyone against the regime.

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    Re: Boris Nemtsov killed

    Post  Kyo on Sat Mar 14, 2015 1:21 am

    FSB's version of Nemtsov conspiracy killing

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    According to this Russian source, they have been after Putin and Kadyrov since 2012. False flag of spilling blood at the Kremlin's corner for the Russian Maidan effect of Putin killing his opponentes.

    Conspiracy carried-out in Ukraine using Chechens who hate Putin and Kadyrov. It was not a muslim revenge op. Pure political intrigue of sacrificial killing of Nemtsov for the damage on Putin and the Kremlin

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    Re: Boris Nemtsov killed

    Post  kvs on Sat Mar 14, 2015 3:54 am

    Kyo wrote:FSB's version of Nemtsov conspiracy killing

    (Use Yandex translator)

    According to this Russian source, they have been after Putin and Kadyrov since 2012. False flag of spilling blood at the Kremlin's corner for the Russian Maidan effect of Putin killing his opponentes.

    Conspiracy carried-out in Ukraine using Chechens who hate Putin and Kadyrov. It was not a muslim revenge op. Pure political intrigue of sacrificial killing of Nemtsov for the damage on Putin and the Kremlin

    It will be a flop, just like the MH17 false flag. Of course, the western media consumer will have its prejudice reinforced. But that is of not much value or importance.

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    Re: Boris Nemtsov killed

    Post  Kyo on Sat Mar 14, 2015 11:22 pm

    Hit list involving Nemtsov's murder

    According to Gazeta.ru (use Yandex translator), there's a hit list involving Nemtsov's murder, featuring journalist and TV presenter Ksenia Sobchak, head of "Echo of Moscow Alexei Venediktov and the disgraced oligarch Mikhail Khodorkovsky. Except for this last one, who is currently outside Russia, the other two have had their security increased.

    The main customer would be Adam Osmayev, a Chechen who in 2012 was arrested in Ukraine on charges of plotting Putin's assassination. However, after Euromaidan, junta decided to release him and fought on Kiev's side in the Donbass commanding a battalion named Dzhokhar Dudayev.

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    Re: Boris Nemtsov killed

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    Re: Boris Nemtsov killed

    Post  sepheronx on Wed Apr 22, 2015 2:57 pm

    http://rt.com/politics/251949-russia-kasyanov-opposition-citizenship/

    didnt know where to put this, but another 5th coloumnist may get what is coming to him. A bill from opposition parties are pushing to strip citizenship for people such as Kasyanov for their blatant work for another country.

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    Re: Boris Nemtsov killed

    Post  magnumcromagnon on Wed Apr 22, 2015 9:00 pm

    sepheronx wrote:http://rt.com/politics/251949-russia-kasyanov-opposition-citizenship/

    didnt know where to put this, but another 5th coloumnist may get what is coming to him. A bill from opposition parties are pushing to strip citizenship for people such as Kasyanov for their blatant work for another country.

    Kasparov, Navalny, Kasyanov, Ponomarev, Kudrin are subversion specialists and should have their assets frozen and seized!

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    Post  TR1 on Thu Apr 23, 2015 12:06 am

    magnumcromagnon wrote:
    sepheronx wrote:http://rt.com/politics/251949-russia-kasyanov-opposition-citizenship/

    didnt know where to put this, but another 5th coloumnist may get what is coming to him. A bill from opposition parties are pushing to strip citizenship for people such as Kasyanov for their blatant work for another country.

    Kasparov, Navalny, Kasyanov, Ponomarev, Kudrin are subversion specialists and should have their assets frozen and seized!
    YEah!

    And their families should be arrested and "relocated" just to make sure they don't spread their ideological subversion!


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    Re: Boris Nemtsov killed

    Post  sepheronx on Thu Apr 23, 2015 12:11 am

    TR1 wrote:
    magnumcromagnon wrote:
    sepheronx wrote:http://rt.com/politics/251949-russia-kasyanov-opposition-citizenship/

    didnt know where to put this, but another 5th coloumnist may get what is coming to him. A bill from opposition parties are pushing to strip citizenship for people such as Kasyanov for their blatant work for another country.

    Kasparov, Navalny, Kasyanov, Ponomarev, Kudrin are subversion specialists and should have their assets frozen and seized!
    YEah!

    And their families should be arrested and "relocated" just to make sure they don't spread their ideological subversion!


    I don't know about you, but since you are in US, you would not be able to go to Russia (especially if you were a US politician) and asked Russian or Chinese politicians to have them sanction your fellow countrymen, and then expect to keep your job.

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    Re: Boris Nemtsov killed

    Post  TR1 on Thu Apr 23, 2015 12:16 am

    sepheronx wrote:
    TR1 wrote:
    magnumcromagnon wrote:
    sepheronx wrote:http://rt.com/politics/251949-russia-kasyanov-opposition-citizenship/

    didnt know where to put this, but another 5th coloumnist may get what is coming to him. A bill from opposition parties are pushing to strip citizenship for people such as Kasyanov for their blatant work for another country.

    Kasparov, Navalny, Kasyanov, Ponomarev, Kudrin are subversion specialists and should have their assets frozen and seized!
    YEah!

    And their families should be arrested and "relocated" just to make sure they don't spread their ideological subversion!


    I don't know about you, but since you are in US, you would not be able to go to Russia (especially if you were a US politician) and asked Russian or Chinese politicians to have them sanction your fellow countrymen, and then expect to keep your job.

    Which currently elected or appointed Russian politicians are going abroad and asking for sanctions?

    There is no rule that says a random party member can't go abroad and criticize the government. This is not the USSR.

    And yes, as a US citizen, I could go to Russia, say that US Imperialism needs to be stopped or something similar, and I would not lose my citizenship on coming back.
    Just like in any sane country.

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