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    Soviet SAM's effectiveness against US Fighter Aircrafts

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    Re: Soviet SAM's effectiveness against US Fighter Aircrafts

    Post  Stealthflanker on Mon Apr 20, 2015 11:17 am

    So basically this is Soviet naval missile tactics. The innovative thing however is the triangulation using the UAV's.


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    Re: Soviet SAM's effectiveness against US Fighter Aircrafts

    Post  GarryB on Mon Apr 20, 2015 12:17 pm

    Now they just need a time machine to go back to the 1970s when the S-300 was the standard air defence SAM of the Soviet Union and they are ready.

    It is amusing that they clearly are admitting that the F-35 that will be made in its thousands wont have enough payload to take out one S-300 battery and it will only need what looks like a C-130 with four new jet engines to take on one S-300 battery with no decoys or jammers or support or co-located light SAM defences.

    Funny when he said swarm... I thought of a couple of 57mm SPAAG vehicles with laser guided rounds and a few Verba MANPADS.

    Also an enemy with an integrated air defence network will likely also have something called an air force...

    and I would bet money guided 57mm shells and Pantsir-SM and even Kornet EM missiles will be cheaper and produced in greater numbers than any weapon the US ever produces.


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    Re: Soviet SAM's effectiveness against US Fighter Aircrafts

    Post  jhelb on Mon Apr 20, 2015 9:27 pm

    My worst nightmare. Fanboys running DARPA.

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    Re: Soviet SAM's effectiveness against US Fighter Aircrafts

    Post  Cyberspec on Mon Apr 20, 2015 11:31 pm

    It's a marketing video, so designed to show it in it's best light

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    Re: Soviet SAM's effectiveness against US Fighter Aircrafts

    Post  max steel on Tue Apr 21, 2015 12:06 am

    That's a pretty cool video for PR undoubtedly . Iran got S-300 so they must sell it now .

    By the way those planes and uavs will be intercepted the moment they came anywhere close to their zone how exactly usaf will buy time to fire those missiles .


    They have made LRASM , JSOW , JASSM specifically to go past china's AA/AD capabilities .

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    Re: Soviet SAM's effectiveness against US Fighter Aircrafts

    Post  magnumcromagnon on Tue Apr 21, 2015 8:53 am

    GarryB wrote:Now they just need a time machine to go back to the 1970s when the S-300 was the standard air defence SAM of the Soviet Union and they are ready.

    It is amusing that they clearly are admitting that the F-35 that will be made in its thousands wont have enough payload to take out one S-300 battery and it will only need what looks like a C-130 with four new jet engines to take on one S-300 battery with no decoys or jammers or support or co-located light SAM defences.

    Funny when he said swarm... I thought of a couple of 57mm SPAAG vehicles with laser guided rounds and a few Verba MANPADS.

    Also an enemy with an integrated air defence network will likely also have something called an air force...

    and I would bet money guided 57mm shells and Pantsir-SM and even Kornet EM missiles will be cheaper and produced in greater numbers than any weapon the US ever produces.

    Decoys and Jammers seem to always be omitted from these Hollywood promos, a strategic jamming system like Murmansk-BN could jam any F-35B II Lightning, at massive standoff ranges...

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    Re: Soviet SAM's effectiveness against US Fighter Aircrafts

    Post  GarryB on Wed Apr 22, 2015 1:00 pm

    True it is a marketing video... they need to justify the costs that will be involved in having a C-130 sized aircraft follow around every US fighter... especially that appears to be unmanned... which with all its jamming and decoy equipment on board would be very expensive, but a bit of realism could only further justify the costs and effort needed.

    the F-35 is supposed to be a stealthy aircraft, but no amount of RAM will turn even a jet powered C-130 into a stealth aircraft... so we are talking about a swarm of attack decoys that will need to be able to kill an S-300PMU2 system from 250km... I really don't see that happening and that would just be Iran... who could tie in their other SAMs and systems further away from whatever the US wants to attack that could also be a real problem...

    Decoys and Jammers seem to always be omitted from these Hollywood promos, a strategic jamming system like Murmansk-BN could jam any F-35B II Lightning, at massive standoff ranges...

    Yes... a black and white world where we automatically win because we are the good guys just doesn't cut it.

    the Russians have put an enormous amount of time and money into their air defence... not to make some money out of a naive government/public, but to defend the motherland...


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    Post  moskit on Fri Sep 16, 2016 10:56 am

    https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=DlTwsw1N7cA. Is this a holywood script....

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    Re: Soviet SAM's effectiveness against US Fighter Aircrafts

    Post  AlfaT8 on Fri Sep 16, 2016 8:49 pm

    moskit wrote:https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=DlTwsw1N7cA. Is this a holywood script....

    Disillusion wet dreams, Raytheon did it better ( /watch?v=0acJ3xyhaJo ) simply put all these plans fall apart as soon as you add SHORADs and MRADs  to the mix, be it these systems of the current or even Legacy variety.

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