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    Re: China & Russia close the tech gap vs USA in weapons race

    Post  max steel on Wed Aug 19, 2015 9:15 am

    http://www.defenseone.com/threats/2014/11/how-powerful-russias-military/99062/?oref=DefenseOneTCO


    Read the article and some comments.

    " Russia is the only nation having nuclear weapons at par with usa " . LoL. Its above par actually.
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    Re: China & Russia close the tech gap vs USA in weapons race

    Post  higurashihougi on Wed Aug 19, 2015 9:53 am

    max steel wrote:http://www.defenseone.com/threats/2014/11/how-powerful-russias-military/99062/?oref=DefenseOneTCO

    Read the article and some comments.

    " Russia is the only nation having nuclear weapons at par with usa " . LoL. Its above par actually.

    In 1955, Russia successfully tested its first non-tritium H-bomb. In 1961, Russia tested the Tsar Bomba. Shockwave caused by explosion moved 7 circle around the Earth.

    Meanwhile. U.S. H-bomb today stills need tritium. And tritium means expensive to maintain and replenish, short half life.
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    Re: China & Russia close the tech gap vs USA in weapons race

    Post  max steel on Sun Sep 06, 2015 8:26 pm

    higurashihougi wrote:
    max steel wrote:http://www.defenseone.com/threats/2014/11/how-powerful-russias-military/99062/?oref=DefenseOneTCO

    Read the article and some comments.

    " Russia is the only nation having nuclear weapons at par with usa " . LoL. Its above par actually.

    In 1955, Russia successfully tested its first non-tritium H-bomb. In 1961, Russia tested the Tsar Bomba. Shockwave caused by explosion moved 7 circle around the Earth.

    Meanwhile. U.S. H-bomb today stills need tritium. And tritium means expensive to maintain and replenish, short half life.


    I guess you're right . Kindly read the article it mentions about same issue .

    http://www.nti.org/gsn/article/some-nuclear-experts-question-ramp-up-in-us-tritium-production/
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    Re: China & Russia close the tech gap vs USA in weapons race

    Post  AlfaT8 on Sun Sep 06, 2015 10:12 pm

    China retakes there island scenario

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    Re: China & Russia close the tech gap vs USA in weapons race

    Post  JohninMK on Tue Sep 15, 2015 12:15 am

    The US is having to come to terms with the prospect of losing 'top dog' status. The cost and complexity of world beating hi-tech solutions is now probably beyond even the resources of the US.

    Whether fact or fiction, the US has long believed itself to have the advantage in air combat. But new advances in Russian radar and missile technology have the US military admitting that its assumed superiority is dwindling, with one commander confessing "they’ve closed the gap."

    "The advantage that we had from the air I can honestly say is shrinking," Gen. Frank Gorenc, commander of US Air Forces in Europe, said during the Air Force Association Air and Space Conference on Monday, according to Breaking Defense. "Not only with respect to the aircraft that they’re producing, but the more alarming thing is their ability to create anti-access/area denied [zones] that are very well defended."

    Gorenc’s admission may come a surprise for a military that has spent the last few years bragging about the development of the F-35, the nearly $400 billion fighter barely capable of surviving a dogfight against the 18-year-old F-22. But with the improved “quality and quantity” of the Russian military, the commander has been forced to face modern realities.

    "It’s one thing to address an aircraft threat which has increased significantly – which by the way it has – but clearly surface to air missile systems are much cheaper, they’re much more available," he said. "There’s clearly a whole set of modern long-range surface-to-air missile systems that are being layered in a way that makes access into that area more difficult." In particular, the general references ground-based missile installations in Kaliningrad, which pose a considerable challenge to the Pentagon’s airpower in Europe. "Up to this point, we have talked about anti-access/area denial with respect to the Pacific problem, but what I’m telling you is this is not just a Pacific problem," he said. "It’s as significant in Europe as it is anywhere else on the planet."

    This fear of Russian air defenses can partially explain the Pentagon’s push for state-of-the-art stealth aircraft. The F-35 was designed with stealth capabilities in mind, and the US Air Force is currently assessing proposals for a new Long Range Strike Bomber which focuses a high priority on evading detection.

    The problem is that both of these aircraft have cost US taxpayers billions. Repair of major design flaws in the F-35 led costs of that project to skyrocket. The Air Force has already set aside $58.2 billion for the development of the next generation bomber, but that cost could balloon, as well.

    The need for stealth could also explain the recent sightings of the retired F-117 in the skies over Nevada. Used to bomb Yugoslavia in 1999, the Nighthawk stealth fighters were officially retired in 2008, but a number of F-117s have been spotted conducted flight tests over the desert.

    "We’re going to have to extend the training that we do to allow for access into areas that are very well defended," Gorenc said. The commander also suggests developing new tactics, techniques, and procedures, known as TTPs. He also suggested that NATO reconfigure its airbase postings, spreading aircraft among a large number of facilities to avoid bombardment. "It’s pretty clear we’re going to have go back and start exercising some of the same stuff we used to do in the Cold War," he added.


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    Post  George1 on Fri Sep 18, 2015 12:46 am

    US Naval Commander Fears China's, Russia's Increasing Tech Capabilities

    China and Russia’s increasing confidence and modernizing military are ‘concerning,’ even ‘disconcerting,’ the head of the US Air Force in the Pacific, Gen. Lori Robinson said.

    During the Air Force Association conference Robinson said, “I get incredibly concerned about the capability gap decreasing [between the US and other nations]. That technology gap continues to get smaller and smaller, and for us that should be very disconcerting.”

    Robinson said that increased Russia’s long-range aviation complicates US strategy further.

    “They’re allowed to fly in that airspace. It’s international airspace,” Robinson noted. “But it’s new” that the Russians are exercising that right, Robinson said.

    Talking about what ‘concerns’ her about China, she said that Chinese aren’t just interested in US technology but are also interested in US people.

    “Chinese service members asked in fascination about the chevrons on the sleeves of American NCOs. The conversation led to a real human connection between the two countries’ personnel,” Breaking Defense website reported.

    She also noted that US and China have worked together in disaster prone areas such as Nepal after the earthquake of 2015. In a region prone to earthquakes, tsunamis, etc. humanitarian assistance and disaster relief (HADR) result in much of America’s work in collaboration with all its Pacific partners.

    Apart from humanitarian work, Robinson mentioned the aerial warfare in which she stressed that the US widely exceeds. In the huge annual Red Flag exercise, Robinson noted, “We had US E-3, Australian Wedge-tail, and a Japanese 767 performing command-and-control. It was incredible.”

    This sort of complex flying network is a major plus in aerial warfare, Robinson said.

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    Re: China & Russia close the tech gap vs USA in weapons race

    Post  flamming_python on Fri Sep 18, 2015 1:27 am

    What's a woman doing commanding the US Air Force in the Pacific anyway?

    I'm pretty sure that out of all the US Air Force officers with at least a passing level of experience necessary for the position; 99% would be men - but a woman gets the job just because.
    Hope my own country never has to suffer from this politically-correct crap.

    Anyway, I really don't know what technological gap she's referring to.
    If talking about an operational experience gap, organizational gap, network-centricity gap - then sure, those all exist.

    But speaking about a 'technology' gap is just a way to propagate more propaganda BS about how Russian technology is inferior; despite such assertions not actually being backed up by anyone with any knowledge in the field include most likely the US Air Force's own experts.

    We can safely disregard these statements as being political BS then.
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    Re: China & Russia close the tech gap vs USA in weapons race

    Post  magnumcromagnon on Fri Sep 18, 2015 2:47 am

    flamming_python wrote:What's a woman doing commanding the US Air Force in the Pacific anyway?

    I'm pretty sure that out of all the US Air Force officers with at least a passing level of experience necessary for the position; 99% would be men - but a woman gets the job just because.
    Hope my own country never has to suffer from this politically-correct crap.

    Anyway, I really don't know what technological gap she's referring to.
    If talking about an operational experience gap, organizational gap, network-centricity gap - then sure, those all exist.

    But speaking about a 'technology' gap is just a way to propagate more propaganda BS about how Russian technology is inferior; despite such assertions not actually being backed up by anyone with any knowledge in the field include most likely the US Air Force's own experts.

    We can safely disregard these statements as being political BS then.

    Ironically enough Russia ranks #1 in the world for upward mobility in the workplace for women, and it's genuine, unlike the tokenism and affirmative action bullshit you see here in the United States, which is artificial and superimposed.
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    Post  max steel on Tue Oct 20, 2015 4:31 pm

    5 Things the Pentagon Isn’t Telling Us About the Chinese Military


    3 year old article though . Things have changed now.
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    Post  magnumcromagnon on Thu Oct 29, 2015 4:46 pm


    The article is terrible, I stopped at the point when it claimed that the gas pipeline to China would "bailout Mother Russia"....yeah because Russia, a country that paid off 30% of it's foreign debt in this year alone (despite sanctions and concerted speculative attacks on the Rouble), needs bailing out LMAO....Rolling Eyes  Wink lol1
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    Re: China & Russia close the tech gap vs USA in weapons race

    Post  George1 on Fri Feb 05, 2016 6:45 am

    New Bill Aims to Speed Up US Electronic War Advances to Match Russia

    Senators Mark Kirk and Kirsten Gillibrand stated that without reforms to its electronic warfare technology and programs, the US military will continue losing its competitive edge to countries like Russia, China and Iran.

    WASHINGTON (Sputnik) — A new bill was introduced in the US Congress that seeks to provide more funding to quickly develop criticaltechnology, Senators Mark Kirk and Kirsten Gillibrand said in a press release on Thursday.

    "The US military’s electronic warfare capabilities have fallen behind those of countries like Russia, China and Iran, leaving our servicemen and women vulnerable," the release stated. "This bill will get lifesaving electronic warfare technologies to the warfighter more quickly."

    Without reforms to its electronic warfare technology and programs, the US military will continue losing its competitive edge to countries like Russia, China and Iran, the senators warned.

    The Electronic Warfare Enhancement Act will enable the US Department of Defense to cut through acquisition red tape and provide more funding flexibility to develop electronic warfare technology, the release claimed.

    US Army in Europe Commander Lieutenant General Ben Hodges described Russia’s electronic warfare capability and sophistication as "eye-watering," the release added.

    The current Defense Department acquisition process for electronic warfare equipment can take up to ten years, and often the technology being fielded is out-of-date by the time it is approved, according to the release.

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    Post  George1 on Wed Feb 10, 2016 12:19 am

    US National Intel: Russia,China Progress in Developing Counterspace Weapons

    US National Intelligence Director James Clapper said during testimony on Tuesday that the continued progress of Russia and China in developing counterspace weapons system will degrade and disrupt US space systems.

    NEW YORK (Sputnik) — Clapper claimed that the threats to US military, civil, and commercial space systems will increase in the next few years.

    "Threats to our use of military, civil, and commercial space systems will increase in the next few years as Russia and China progress in developing counterspace weapon systems to deny, degrade, or disrupt US space systems," Clapper said.

    "Foreign military leaders understand the unique advantages that space-based systems provide to the United States."

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    Post  max steel on Tue Feb 23, 2016 12:03 am

    US Dominates Arms Trade as Asia, Mid-East Boost Imports


    The global transfer of major arms has risen in recent years, with the United States increasing its dominance of the trade while the flow of weaponry to Africa, Asia and the Middle East has increased, a new study published Monday showed.

    According to the Stockholm International Peace Research Institute (SIPRI) report, the volume of international transfers of major weapons — including sales and donations — was 14 percent higher in 2011-2015 than over the five previous years, with the US and Russia doing most of the exporting.

    The biggest importers were India, Saudi Arabia, China and the United Arab Emirates (UAE).

    The authors of the report singled out the conflict in Yemen, where a Saudi-led coalition is backing the government against Iran-supported Shiite Huthi rebels.

    "A coalition of Arab states is putting mainly US- and European-sourced advanced arms into use in Yemen," senior SIPRI researcher Pieter Wezeman said in the report.

    The United States has sold or donated major arms to a diverse range of recipients across the globe, the report said.

    "As regional conflicts and tensions continue to mount, the USA remains the leading global arms supplier by a significant margin," said Aude Fleurant, director of the SIPRI Arms and Military Expenditure Programme.

    "The USA has sold or donated major arms to at least 96 states in the past five years, and the US arms industry has large outstanding export orders," including for over 600 F-35 combat aircraft, said Fleurant.

    The biggest chunk of US major arms, 41 percent, went into Saudi Arabia and the rest of the Middle East.

    "Despite low oil prices, large deliveries of arms to the Middle East are scheduled to continue as part of contracts signed in the past five years," Wezeman added.

    Russia remains in second place on the SIPRI exporters list, with its share of the total up three points to 25 percent, though the levels dropped in 2014 and 2015 — coinciding with Western sanctions against Moscow over the Ukraine conflict.

    India took the largest chunk of Russian weaponry and SIPRI also listed pro-Moscow rebels in Ukraine among the recipients.




    While the flows of weapons to Africa, Asia and Oceania and the Middle East all increased between 2006-10 and 2011-15, there had been a sharp fall in the flow to Europe and a minor decrease in the volume heading to the Americas, according to SIPRI.

    The overall transfer of arms has been upwards this century after a relative drop in the previous 20 years.

    China leapfrogged both France and Germany over the past five years to become the third-largest source of major arms globally, with an 88-percent rise in exports.

    Most of the Chinese weapons went to other Asian countries, with Pakistan the main recipient.

    India remains by far the biggest importer of major arms, accounting for 14 percent of the total; twice as much as second-placed Saudi Arabia and three times as much as China.
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    Post  George1 on Wed Mar 02, 2016 12:44 am

    This is How Pentagon Wants to Counter Russia and China

    The Pentagon is seeking more funds to counter technologically-savvy adversaries like Russia and China by investing in the so-called Third Offset strategy, the Japan Business Press asserted.

    "The Third Offset strategy was specifically designed to counterbalance the military might" of Moscow and Beijing, as well as undermine their Anti-Access/Area Denial (A2/AD) capabilities, the media outlet noted.

    The US defense agency plans to spend $3.6 billion on innovative defense capabilities as part of its $71.8 billion budget for fiscal year 2017. In total, the Pentagon is expected to allocate $18 billion on the Third Offset through the Future Years Defense Program.

    The US Department of Defense "plans to spend $3 billion on Anti-Area/Access-Denial (A2/AD) technologies, $500 million on guided munitions challenges, $3 billion on submarine and undersea challenges, $3 billion on human-machine collaboration and teaming, $1.7 billion on cyber and EW issues, and $500 million on expanding war gaming and operational concept tests and demonstrations," an unnamed source told Defense News in February.

    The US Air Force plans to replace Lockheed Martin’s infamous U-2 spy plane with Northrop Grumman’s RQ-4 Global Hawk.

    Some of the military programs, key to the Third Offset strategy, include the RQ-4 Global Hawk unmanned surveillance aircraft, the X-47B drone designed for aircraft carrier-based operations, the Long Range Strike Bomber (LRS-B), the Virginia Payload Module (VPM) for the SSN-774 class nuclear-powered attack submarines, etc., the Japan Business Press detailed.

    Read more: http://sputniknews.com/military/20160301/1035606365/dod-third-offset.html#ixzz41hKioBIE


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    Re: China & Russia close the tech gap vs USA in weapons race

    Post  max steel on Sat Mar 05, 2016 8:33 am

    China's airpower will overtake the US Air Force by 2030


    In a stark assessment, the US Air Force chief-of-staff warned that China's People's Liberation Army Air Force (PLAAF) will be poised to overtake the US Air Force by 2030.
    On March 2, General Mark Welsh told the House Appropriations Committee's defense subcommittee that currently it is estimated that the US has a "couple thousand more aircraft" than China, The National Interest reports.

    The PLAAF is larger than the US Air Force in terms of personnel, and that size will be represented by the number of aircraft China has in the coming years.

    “At the rate they’re building, the models they’re fielding, by 2030 they will have fielded—they will have made up that 2,000 aircraft gap and they will be at least as big—if not bigger—than our air forces," Welsh told the subcommittee.

    More importantly than just the number of aircraft and personnel in the PLAAF, though, is Beijing's trend of acquiring and successfully fielding more and more advanced weapons systems. This drive by the PLAAF will also shrink the commanding technological advantage that the US currently holds over China.

    “We are not keeping up with that kind of technology development,” Welsh said. “We are still in a position of—we will have the best technology in the battlespace especially if we can continue with our current big three modernization programs.”

    Welsh also went on to warn that China "will have a lot of technology that’s better than the stuff we’ve had before."

    China is currently constructing prototypes for two different fifth-generation fighters that are specifically tailored to different mission sets. It's J-20 is thought to be making quick development progress, while it's J-31 is believed to be the equal of the F-35 due to espionage and Chinese theft of trade secrets.

    Additionally, China is also developing a stealth drone as well as seeking to buy Russia's highly capable Su-35S fighter aircraft.

    All these measures taken together will cumulatively make China a significantly more capable military force that could project its will against US protest across East Asia.


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    Experts warn weapons gap is shrinking between US, Russia and China

    Post  nemrod on Fri May 06, 2016 1:31 pm


    The diplomatic water downed words "gap is shrinking" should be understood as the end of US technological superiority acknowledged by US. Good outset! For us in this forum, it was an evidence for a long time ago, but for american it is not obvious!


    http://thehill.com/policy/defense/278262-experts-warn-weapons-gap-is-shrinking-between-us-and-competitors-russia-and



    Experts warn weapons gap is shrinking between US, Russia and China

    By Kristina Wong - 04/30/16 02:03 PM EDT

    Competitors like Russia and China are closing the advanced weapons gap with the United States, aiming to push the U.S. out of areas on their front doorstep.

    Experts say they're improving their ability to target U.S. aircraft and ships, pushing the U.S. military farther away from potential conflict zones and constraining its ability to use force in regions such as the Baltic Sea and the South China Sea.

    "Since the end of the Cold War, the U.S. military has never really had to fight an enemy that had its own arsenal of precision-guided weapons," said Mark Gunzinger, senior fellow at the Center for Strategic and Budgetary Assessments.

    "It was able to use air bases and other bases located fairly close to the borders of an enemy because there wasn't that much of an air and missile threat to those bases,” he said. “That’s changing.”

    Experts say Russia and China are improving their ballistic and cruise missile technologies and hoping to create what they call “anti-access area-denial bubbles” where they can threaten U.S. air and ground operations.

    Russia is in particular presenting a challenge to the U.S. in the Baltics region, where it has recently been harassing U.S. aircraft and ships.

    ”You’ve seen some advanced air-to-air technologies that the Chinese and Russians are developing, not just in stealth technology, but in terms of the advanced aerodynamics, advanced air-to-air radars, advanced air-to-air weapons, advanced air-to-ground weapons," said Chris Harmer, senior naval analyst at the Institute for the Study of War.

    Experts say Russia and China are also making inroads into the U.S.’ undersea dominance.

    "Chinese nuclear attack submarines are just in absolute overdrive, how quick they're building and how fast the technology is developing,” Harmer said. "And we've seen a significant increase in Russian naval activity, Russian long-range naval activity, Russian ships conducting port calls to Bandar Abbas in Iran.”

    Iran, too, is making progress, experts say.

    “They still lack a precision in their offensive weapons, and they're still trying to obtain and develop more effective air missile defenses, but they're making progress and their weapons are getting more accurate and their capabilities are increasing in their range, as well as in their numbers,” Harmer said. “The Iranian navy is getting a lot bigger a lot quicker than anybody expected.”

    To keep ahead of those advances, the Pentagon is focusing on developing high-end weapons systems that can avoid detection even in close quarters, like the B-21 long-range stealth bomber.

    It is also seeking to develop the high-end capabilities of allies like the United Kingdom in order to extend its reach.

    Deputy Defense Secretary Bob Work and British Defense Procurement Minister Philip Dunne earlier this month toured U.S. military bases where the two nations are working closely together on advanced weapons systems.

    That includes the F-35 Joint Strike Fighter, a fifth-generation stealth fighter; the P-8 Poseidon, a maritime patrol aircraft designed to detect foreign submarines and ships; and the Trident Class II D5 missile, which deploy from U.S. and Royal Navy ballistic missile submarines.

    "I wouldn't say that these are specific towards any countries, but they're against high-end capabilities," Work said. "Countries like Iran are buying the most advanced air defense systems in the world … Advanced air defense systems are proliferating around the world. Submarine technology is proliferating around the world. They're becoming quieter, hard to find."

    Work said the U.S. and the U.K.’s 25-year defense plan released last year would allow the two nations to be "interoperable in these high-end fights."

    "If we ever projected power around the globe and the U.K. government said, 'We're with you,' we'd be interoperable from the top to the bottom," he said.

    Some experts say the U.S. is not spending enough on weapons research and development.

    "At the same time, the Russians and the Chinese — the Chinese more so than the Russians — are spending an awful lot of money on research and development,” Harmer said.

    And cyber theft, particularly by the Chinese, is a problem, they add.

    “Today, we're capable of losing in 10 seconds via cybercrime 10 years worth of research and development,” Harmer said. "And especially for the Chinese that's been a big help to them in closing the gap.”

    But they agree the main solution is fixing a wasteful and burdensome weapons buying system that can take decades to field a platform.

    "The main issue for us is overcoming a very sclerotic system of acquisition," said defense analyst Norman Friedman. "It's not fast enough, and it's extremely poor judgment about the costs of programs, how much they should run, lack of ruthlessness ... an ability for someone at the top for many years to stand back and say, this is stupid."

    Experts warn that in the meantime, competitors can make up in numbers what they can't make up in technology.

    "As the Russians used to say during the Cold War, quantity has a quality all of its own," Harmer said. "Because the Chinese can put so much quantity into the water in a relatively small space and small time, they can more than overwhelm our technological advantage.”

    Experts say they don't see any fixes to the shrinking technological gap anytime soon.

    Defense Secretary Ash Carter, House Armed Services Committee Chairman Mac Thornberry (R-Texas) and Senate Armed Services Committee Chairman John McCain (R-Ariz.) have introduced reforms to fix the acquisition system, but experts say it’s too early to tell if their reforms are working.

    “I find it worrisome that we can't seem to fix the procurement system but many very hard working people have tried,” Friedman said. “I mourn for what I see.”

    Harmer added: “The Department of Defense would like to move faster. Of course, change is hard. Change is slow.”


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    CNN: Russia contests US Navy supremacy

    Post  nemrod on Sun May 08, 2016 4:39 pm

    Thx Max for these useful informations.

    http://www.pravdareport.com/news/russia/06-05-2016/134350-navy-0/
    - See more at: http://www.pravdareport.com/news/russia/06-05-2016/134350-navy-0/#sthash.F8nq97me.dpuf


    CNN: Russia contests US Navy supremacy

    The American military is deeply concerned that new Russian submarines will challenge the US Navy supremacy.

    "We're back to the point now where we have to consider there is an adversary ready to challenge us in the undersea domain and that undersea superiority is not guaranteed," U.S. Navy Commodore Ollie Lewis told CNN.

    New American Virginia-class submarines are able to carry out a wide range of tasks, gather intelligence and launch torpedoes at ground targets. But they will face a new challenge quite soon, that is the Russian Yasen class submarine.

    As Michael Kofman, an expert at the Washington Wilson Center, explained, among all the submarines that the US adversaries possess, the Yasen is the quietest one, and the US "Navy is not really sure it can track it".

    The Russian submarines' increased activity is also noted to be in the triangle Greenland-Iceland-Great Britain, and that is the key naval corridor for the US military reinforcement in Europe.

    Beside that, according to the USS Missouri's commander Fraser Hudson, Russia does not intend to just make a "political statement", but rather to gain a practical experience.


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    Post  max steel on Tue May 17, 2016 1:05 am

    Russia, China Missiles Overcome All Defenses

    Last month, Russia and China each demonstrated hypersonic vehicles capable of rapidly delivering nuclear warheads to any locations in the world, with no present or near-term interception defense. Russian Deputy Prime Minister Dmitri Rogozin compared the importance of these new weapons as on par with nuclear arms development.

    He declared, “Whoever is first to achieve” mastery of hypersonic weapons will “overturn the principles” of how wars are waged.

    China conducted its seventh successful hypersonic vehicle test just three days after Russia demonstrated its second . . . a 3M22 Zircon hypersonic glider launched atop a SS-19 ballistic missile from a base near the Kazakhstan border.

    An armed version is scheduled to go into operation by 2018 aboard a new Pak DA stealth bomber now under development. Jane’s Intelligence Review reports that Russia may be able to deploy up to 24 hypersonic nuclear delivery vehicles from their Dombarovsky air force base between 2020 and 2025,

    Beijing’s DF-ZF hypersonic glide vehicle fired from the Shanxi Province Wuzhai launch center in central China has reportedly reached speeds over 7,000 miles per hour. The Congressional Sino-U.S. Economic and Security Review Commission reports that the program is “progressing rapidly," and that a new strike weapon could be deployed by 2020.

    A powered version (rather than glider) under development may be fielded by 2025.

    The commission reported that “The very high speeds of these weapons, combined with their maneuverability and ability to travel at lower, radar-evading altitudes, would make them far less vulnerable than existing missiles to current missile defenses.” A capacity to transport nuclear warheads at 10 times the speed of sound exceeds the ability of conventional ballistic missile defenses to prevent them from reaching U.S. homeland.

    Former Pentagon strategic forces policymaker, Mark Schneider, observes: “U.S. programs involving hypersonic vehicles are modest by comparison.” He added, “I would be surprised if we actually deploy one. If we do, it will likely be conventional. Russian hypersonic vehicles will likely either be nuclear armed or nuclear-capable since this is the norm for Russia.”

    A U.S. Army hypersonic test vehicle exploded about a year and a half ago. The Pentagon has stressed that the U.S. hypersonic program will not carry nuclear weapons.

    Washington Free Beacon national security reporter and senior editor Bill Gertz warns about America’s vulnerability to high speed hypersonic attacks. Quoting China National Security Policy Committee researcher, Li Bingyan: “Only by matching real-time information with zero-time firepower [lasers] can one achieve the operational result of destruction upon detection.”

    Yet out of DOD’s $7.5 billion 2017 budget, only $23 million is provided for a low-power laser capable of targeting hypersonic weapons. No tests of that capability are planned until 2021 . . . years after Russia and China are expected to deploy operational capabilities.

    According to A U.S. Department of Defense report, from 2005 through 2014 China’s annual defense spending adjusted for inflation rose an average 9.5 percent annually, while U.S. outlays averaged just under 0.4 percent. Included are advanced Chinese naval developments such as “supercavitation” technology which allows torpedoes to travel at the speed of sound (which is 3,320 miles per hour under water).

    It reduces water drag by creating a bubble of gas for the missile to travel through, enabling those launched from Shanghai to reach San Francisco in less than two hours.

    Rep. Mike Rogers, R-Ala., chairman of the House Armed Services Strategic Forces Subcommittee, told the Washington Times: “I’m troubled that Russia and China continue to outpace the U.S. in development of these prompt global strike capabilities, complain about our tepid development programs, and the Obama administration’s ideological reductions to the Missile Defense Agency budget have denied that agency resources to do anything to develop defenses.”

    Responding to China’s most recent DF-ZF vehicle test, retired former U.S. Navy Pacific Fleet intelligence director Captain Jim Fanell observes that: “The threat of hypersonic missile attack not only impacts conventional warfare scenarios like we are seeing develop in the South and East China Sea, but it also puts U.S. nuclear defense strategies at risk.”

    Also reported in the Washington Free Beacon, House Armed Services subcommittee on sea power Chairman Randy Forbes, R-Va. said: “Beijing is committed to up-ending both the conventional military and nuclear balance, with grave implications for the stability of Asia.”

    President Obama has clearly followed through on his pledge made during a 2009 Prague speech that “To put an end to Cold War thinking, we will reduce the role of nuclear weapons in our national security strategy.” There should be little wonder then, why Vladimir Putin saw no good reason to attend the nuclear summit photo-op event he hosted last month in Washington.

    As Mikhail Ulyanov of the Russian foreign ministry explained at the time, “We don’t really know what the point of this summit is.” It seems that the Russians and Chinese never read that White House memo.

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    Re: China & Russia close the tech gap vs USA in weapons race

    Post  AlfaT8 on Sat May 21, 2016 10:38 pm

    max steel wrote:Russia, China Missiles Overcome All Defenses

    Last month, Russia and China each demonstrated hypersonic vehicles capable of rapidly delivering nuclear warheads to any locations in the world, with no present or near-term interception defense. Russian Deputy Prime Minister Dmitri Rogozin compared the importance of these new weapons as on par with nuclear arms development.

    He declared, “Whoever is first to achieve” mastery of hypersonic weapons will “overturn the principles” of how wars are waged.

    China conducted its seventh successful hypersonic vehicle test just three days after Russia demonstrated its second . . . a 3M22 Zircon hypersonic glider launched atop a SS-19 ballistic missile from a base near the Kazakhstan border.

    An armed version is scheduled to go into operation by 2018 aboard a new Pak DA stealth bomber now under development. Jane’s Intelligence Review reports that Russia may be able to deploy up to 24 hypersonic nuclear delivery vehicles from their Dombarovsky air force base between 2020 and 2025,

    Beijing’s DF-ZF hypersonic glide vehicle fired from the Shanxi Province Wuzhai launch center in central China has reportedly reached speeds over 7,000 miles per hour. The Congressional Sino-U.S. Economic and Security Review Commission reports that the program is “progressing rapidly," and that a new strike weapon could be deployed by 2020.

    A powered version (rather than glider) under development may be fielded by 2025.

    The commission reported that “The very high speeds of these weapons, combined with their maneuverability and ability to travel at lower, radar-evading altitudes, would make them far less vulnerable than existing missiles to current missile defenses.” A capacity to transport nuclear warheads at 10 times the speed of sound exceeds the ability of conventional ballistic missile defenses to prevent them from reaching U.S. homeland.

    Former Pentagon strategic forces policymaker, Mark Schneider, observes: “U.S. programs involving hypersonic vehicles are modest by comparison.” He added, “I would be surprised if we actually deploy one. If we do, it will likely be conventional. Russian hypersonic vehicles will likely either be nuclear armed or nuclear-capable since this is the norm for Russia.”

    A U.S. Army hypersonic test vehicle exploded about a year and a half ago. The Pentagon has stressed that the U.S. hypersonic program will not carry nuclear weapons.

    Washington Free Beacon national security reporter and senior editor Bill Gertz warns about America’s vulnerability to high speed hypersonic attacks. Quoting China National Security Policy Committee researcher, Li Bingyan: “Only by matching real-time information with zero-time firepower [lasers] can one achieve the operational result of destruction upon detection.”

    Yet out of DOD’s $7.5 billion 2017 budget, only $23 million is provided for a low-power laser capable of targeting hypersonic weapons. No tests of that capability are planned until 2021 . . . years after Russia and China are expected to deploy operational capabilities.

    According to A U.S. Department of Defense report, from 2005 through 2014 China’s annual defense spending adjusted for inflation rose an average 9.5 percent annually, while U.S. outlays averaged just under 0.4 percent. Included are advanced Chinese naval developments such as “supercavitation” technology which allows torpedoes to travel at the speed of sound (which is 3,320 miles per hour under water).

    It reduces water drag by creating a bubble of gas for the missile to travel through, enabling those launched from Shanghai to reach San Francisco in less than two hours.

    Rep. Mike Rogers, R-Ala., chairman of the House Armed Services Strategic Forces Subcommittee, told the Washington Times: “I’m troubled that Russia and China continue to outpace the U.S. in development of these prompt global strike capabilities, complain about our tepid development programs, and the Obama administration’s ideological reductions to the Missile Defense Agency budget have denied that agency resources to do anything to develop defenses.”

    Responding to China’s most recent DF-ZF vehicle test, retired former U.S. Navy Pacific Fleet intelligence director Captain Jim Fanell observes that: “The threat of hypersonic missile attack not only impacts conventional warfare scenarios like we are seeing develop in the South and East China Sea, but it also puts U.S. nuclear defense strategies at risk.”

    Also reported in the Washington Free Beacon, House Armed Services subcommittee on sea power Chairman Randy Forbes, R-Va. said: “Beijing is committed to up-ending both the conventional military and nuclear balance, with grave implications for the stability of Asia.”

    President Obama has clearly followed through on his pledge made during a 2009 Prague speech that “To put an end to Cold War thinking, we will reduce the role of nuclear weapons in our national security strategy.” There should be little wonder then, why Vladimir Putin saw no good reason to attend the nuclear summit photo-op event he hosted last month in Washington.

    As Mikhail Ulyanov of the Russian foreign ministry explained at the time, “We don’t really know what the point of this summit is.” It seems that the Russians and Chinese never read that White House memo.


    WTF, they started this global prompt sh#t and now they're bitching about it because they're losing, for reals.  Rolling Eyes

    Now they're all troubled by these developments and desperately trying to make Obama a scapegoat for there inept defense industry, this is hilarious.  Laughing

    BTW "low-power laser capable of targeting hypersonic weapons" are you kidding me.  Laughing
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    Re: China & Russia close the tech gap vs USA in weapons race

    Post  Godric on Sat May 21, 2016 11:08 pm

    America's defence spending is bloated beyond all belief ... the corruption is off the scale when they can't account for missing trillions of defence spending and to think these clowns believe even more defence spending is necessary when the US is over $18 trillion in debt .... they are clearly not living in the real world
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    Military Analysts concerned about the lost of the US conventional military technology advantages

    Post  nemrod on Sun May 29, 2016 2:24 pm



    http://nextbigfuture.com/2016/05/military-analysts-concerned-about-lost.html


    Military Analysts concerned about the lost of the US conventional military technology advantages

    The US Navy now believes it has a railgun design that soon will be able to fire 10 times a minute through a barrel capable of lasting 1,000 rounds.

    Besides speed, the railgun also has a capacity advantage. A typical U.S. Navy destroyer can carry as many as 96 missiles—either offensive cruise missiles or defensive interceptors. A ship armed with a railgun could potentially carry a thousand rounds, allowing the vessel to shoot incoming missiles or attack enemy forces for longer periods and at a faster rate of fire.

    The U.S. has kept its military dominance over the past quarter-century largely through such precision weaponry as guided missiles and munitions. It also has spent billions of dollars on interceptor-missile based defense systems to shoot down ballistic missiles fired at the U.S. or its allies.

    That monopoly is about over. China is perfecting a ship-killing ballistic missile. Russia mostly impressed U.S. military planners with the power and precision of its cruise missiles deployed in Syria, and its improved artillery precision revealed in Ukraine.

    I am very worried about the U.S. conventional advantage. The loss of that advantage is terribly destabilizing, said Elbridge Colby, a military analyst with the Center of a New American Security.

    Defense planners believe the U.S. needs new military advances. Russia, for example, is believed to be developing longer-range surface-to-air missiles and new electronic warfare technology to blunt any forces near its borders.

    Hitting a missile with a bullet is still a technical challenge. Railgun research leans heavily on commercial advances in supercomputing to aim and on smartphone technology to steer the railgun’s projectile using the Global Positioning System.

    Missile defense by the railgun is at least a decade away, but Pentagon officials believe the weapon’s projectiles can be used much sooner. They are filled with tungsten pellets harder than many kinds of steel, officials said, and will likely cost between $25,000 and $50,000, a bargain compared with a $10-million interceptor missile.

    SOURCES- Wall Street Journal, Office of Naval Research


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