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    Re: Talking bollocks thread

    Post  BTRfan on Wed May 29, 2013 6:28 pm

    Regular wrote:
    In Russia too these dark skinned immigrants from Central Asia are the biggest criminals and are dislike by all the locals .
    What? The biggest criminals in Russia are Russian citizens. Russians, Chechens, Dagestanies. Those immigrants can only do petty crimes, but real money is being stolen in Duma anyway. Who can out steal politician?

    In the USA there has always been a tremendous availability of information. Nobody suffers from lack of access to the information, if they are ignorant or have a tremendously one-sided view, it is because they never deem fit to actually utilize their access to the information.
    Oh the Irony, USA where majority of people are no thicker than sheet of paper with no geographical, historical understanding..

    I highly doubt that in the USSR you could go to the library in Kiev or Leningrad or Moscow and check out a copy of a book written by Madison Grant, Lothrop Stoddard, or any of the American eugencisists or social darwinists, let alone Mein Kampf. There was no ability to access any information other than what the CPSU decided would be accessible.
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    Maybe the information was not thought to be in any way useful. Mein Kampf is lunacy for example.

    Negroes born and raised in France behave as viciously and tribally as those who stayed behind in the former French Congo.
    What about black people in Cuba?

    BTR, You should not play with racism, very sensitive topic here. There are loads of Russians that are mixed race.
    Not to mention few famous people in Czarist times that were black Smile



    Mass ignorance in the USA is a rather recent issue, probably going back to the late 1980s into the 1990s.

    I would put the US population of the 1950s or 1960s up against the Soviet population of the same period, in general knowledge, knowledge of literature, math, etc.

    I highly doubt that the Stalinist education system encouraged [or even allowed] young people to have access to classical works such as those of Plato, Aristotle, and other great Western philosophers. I also have to doubt whether or not the Soviet system encouraged critical thinking, independent thought, meaningful analysis of society/government.



    One feature of America societ that I have always loved even though I have many complaints about America, we don't censor information even if the vast majority of society does not find it useful. We allow people to read whatever they want, study whatever they want, and form their own worldview. Most people wind up going with whatever they receive from authority figures via the mass media and education system [but this is true for most people in ANY nation, as most people defer to authorities and are at least moderately authoritarian in personality] while some people read and become anarchists, socialists, communists, fascists, national socialists, nationalists, conservatives, revolutionaries, reactionaries, monarchists, liberals, libertarians. In short, there is no ignorance in the USA because of lack of available information or lack of access to information, the ignorance would be due solely to people lacking sufficient desire to access and use the available information.

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    Re: Talking bollocks thread

    Post  BTRfan on Wed May 29, 2013 6:32 pm

    GarryB wrote:

    Intreresting... you start by saying in the US there are no restrictions on what you can read, and then you tell TR-1 that he has not had the chance to read as widely as you have because he is a commie and lives in the former Soviet Union.



    If he can honestly claim that while coming of age in the Soviet Union in the 1980s he had free and unrestricted access to a multitude of books and printed material representing a variety of viewpoints, then I will retract my remark.

    By variety of viewpoints I do not mean socialism, communism, trotskyism, stalinism, social democracy, etc.


    What I am getting at, and what I shall ask rather directly- In 1980 in the Soviet Union could you go to the library and read a book written by a free market advocate from the United States? In 1980 in the Soviet Union could you go to the library and read the American Declaration of Independence and the American Bill of Rights? In 1980 in the Soviet Union could you go to the library and read Plato's Republic? In 1980 in the Soviet Union could you go to the library and read Mein Kampf? In 1980 in the Soviet Union could you go to the library and read books on eugenics written not by detractors of eugenics but by advocates of eugenics from the 1910s-1930s United States?

    Were you free to read anything and everything you wanted?

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    Re: Talking bollocks thread

    Post  BTRfan on Wed May 29, 2013 6:35 pm

    Regular wrote:
    In Russia too these dark skinned immigrants from Central Asia are the biggest criminals and are dislike by all the locals .
    What? The biggest criminals in Russia are Russian citizens. Russians, Chechens, Dagestanies. Those immigrants can only do petty crimes, but real money is being stolen in Duma anyway. Who can out steal politician?

    In the USA there has always been a tremendous availability of information. Nobody suffers from lack of access to the information, if they are ignorant or have a tremendously one-sided view, it is because they never deem fit to actually utilize their access to the information.
    Oh the Irony, USA where majority of people are no thicker than sheet of paper with no geographical, historical understanding..

    I highly doubt that in the USSR you could go to the library in Kiev or Leningrad or Moscow and check out a copy of a book written by Madison Grant, Lothrop Stoddard, or any of the American eugencisists or social darwinists, let alone Mein Kampf. There was no ability to access any information other than what the CPSU decided would be accessible.
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    Maybe the information was not thought to be in any way useful. Mein Kampf is lunacy for example.

    Negroes born and raised in France behave as viciously and tribally as those who stayed behind in the former French Congo.
    What about black people in Cuba?

    BTR, You should not play with racism, very sensitive topic here. There are loads of Russians that are mixed race.
    Not to mention few famous people in Czarist times that were black Smile



    Cuba is a basket-case and an economic back-water, although much of that can be attributed to the US embargo.

    However, the fact that Cuba claims, "America hurts us with their embargo" is a tacit admission that communism does not work. If they were truly convinced of the validity of communism and if communism were truly workable, they would not want to trade with the USA and they would not need to trade with the USA.

    Cuba's relationship towards the USA is the equivalent of a wayward son who moves out of the house at age 18 but then still calls mom and dad on a regular basis because he needs them to pay his rent, pay for his groceries, pay for his utilities, and pay for his gasoline.

    Cuba talks a big talk about communism and self-sufficiency and how they don't need to deal with market economy nations, but then in the next sentence they moan about how the American embargo has hurt their nation and how they want to be able to buy food, medicine, spare parts for their vehicles, and modern vehicles, from the USA.

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    Re: Talking bollocks thread

    Post  BTRfan on Wed May 29, 2013 6:37 pm

    Regular wrote:
    In Russia too these dark skinned immigrants from Central Asia are the biggest criminals and are dislike by all the locals .
    What? The biggest criminals in Russia are Russian citizens. Russians, Chechens, Dagestanies. Those immigrants can only do petty crimes, but real money is being stolen in Duma anyway. Who can out steal politician?

    In the USA there has always been a tremendous availability of information. Nobody suffers from lack of access to the information, if they are ignorant or have a tremendously one-sided view, it is because they never deem fit to actually utilize their access to the information.
    Oh the Irony, USA where majority of people are no thicker than sheet of paper with no geographical, historical understanding..

    I highly doubt that in the USSR you could go to the library in Kiev or Leningrad or Moscow and check out a copy of a book written by Madison Grant, Lothrop Stoddard, or any of the American eugencisists or social darwinists, let alone Mein Kampf. There was no ability to access any information other than what the CPSU decided would be accessible.
    ~
    Maybe the information was not thought to be in any way useful. Mein Kampf is lunacy for example.

    Negroes born and raised in France behave as viciously and tribally as those who stayed behind in the former French Congo.
    What about black people in Cuba?

    BTR, You should not play with racism, very sensitive topic here. There are loads of Russians that are mixed race.
    Not to mention few famous people in Czarist times that were black Smile



    Indeed many Russians may be a mix of German and Russian, Ukrainian and Russian, Polish and Russian, Balts and Russian, but that is merely mixed nationality/ethnicity, they would still be European.

    As for the Tatars, Cumans, and those from central Asia who mixed with Russians, I am polite enough that I am more than capable of restraining myself from making them the target of some slur. It achieves nothing to hurl cheap insults at such people and you won't have to worry about such conduct on my part.


    I would hope you would share my view that Russia exists for the benefit of the Russian people, for the survival and expansion of the Russian people, not for the benefit of those who descend from various nomadic tribes that rode into Russia intent on conquest. Siberia does not exist so China has a "relief valve" for its surplus population. Siberia exists for the benefit of the Russian people.

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    Re: Talking bollocks thread

    Post  BTRfan on Wed May 29, 2013 6:42 pm

    GarryB wrote:

    Perhaps you should go to a place like Singapore and tell them they live in a third world country, or perhaps Japan?

    Don't get me wrong the rich white countries are very sophisticated, but most lack real history... New Zealand is less than 200 years old in white terms, and the same can be said for Australia and may other "white colonies". America is no where near the 5 thousand years of history and culture that China and Japan represent, yet you claim some sort of superiority... it just sounds juvenile.


    Those countries named were all exploited and abused by white people looking to steal land and resources from the locals before the locals could work out the real worth of what they had.



    Just so we're clear, what is now South Africa was VOID and EMPTY when the Dutch first arrived. There were a few nomadic hunter-gatherer tribes, less than a few thousand in number, around the Cape area, but the interior was without population all the way to the border of what is now Namibia.

    Within about 20-50 years of Whites settling in the Cape, the first Xhosa and Zulu began to enter near the area that is now the border of South Africa and Zimbabwe. Whites did not arrive in some heavily populated, already settled area, and ruthlessly exploit and brutalize, they landed in a virtually barren and empty area and established their towns and forts.

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    Re: Talking bollocks thread

    Post  BTRfan on Wed May 29, 2013 6:44 pm

    GarryB wrote:

    White people learned through expansion to combine technologies... printing from China... mathematics from the arabs, etc etc and then they used their expertise to brutalise and steal. Most of central and south america has a caste system introduced by the whites and the settlers that basically puts the natives at the bottom of society... as a white person it is something to be ashamed of, though I did nothing myself, I recognise the crimes. Oh they didn't know any better... of course they did.




    To claim "mathematics" came from Arabs is absurd.


    The Greeks pioneered geometry and trigonometry. The Arabs simply took the collective knowledge of the Greek-Roman world assembled at the library of Alexandria as well as the Persian library of Gundashapur and brought it all together in one place. They also compelled thousands of the best minds of the Greek and Roman worlds to work on massive projects for them, although this was common with the Turks, Arabs, and Mongols.
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    Talking Bollocks

    Post  GarryB on Thu May 30, 2013 3:53 am

    Garry, I've never supported or welcomed the genocides committed by the British.
    So its not any way to support/defend or condone a desecration, destruction or invasion of Britain.

    It happened for a wide range of reasons... very few of them right or fair... and the same can be said about what is happening now. The solution is not burning books and labels and 'camps'.

    He smears British people as lazy scum, and makes up a load of lies.

    He is talking from personal experience regarding the people he has had contact with... my brother spent some time in the UK and worked on building sites and he said that the people who hire prefer kiwis and aussies because they actually work while the locals tend to turn up, sign in and then bugger off till smoko. The people doing the hiring were corrupt as well... they would pretend to hire 50 guys and only hire 30 and pocket the extra wages themselves. Now that is not to say that all construction everywhere in Britain is exactly like that, but clearly some of it is. BTW he told me they were pulling down an old block of flats and all of a sudden the locals turned up and took over the job of working in the bathrooms... it seems the tiles were worth a pound each undamaged so they would carefully remove them and take them round the back of the build site to a guy in the van. When the bosses found out they demanded a cut.

    I am not going to say that that makes all Brits criminals or lazy... it is just the system they had in place where there was no accountability for each worker so the locals pretended they were working on another floor... they might be playing soccer or off down the pub... the only problem was when the bosses turned up for lunch, but you just buy them a beer and find another pub for tomorrow.

    If you let me round your house to stay and then I said "Garry you're a cunt, you're all lazy New Zealand scum", you'd probably be a little offended, yes?

    I would just write you off as another winging pom mate... Twisted Evil

    and now Britain. ANY and EVERY country can do without his kind. Surely you can see that?

    Someone who is guilty of being patriotic is someone guilty of being human.

    Don't take it so personally. He is entitled to his opinion and calling him names is not going to change his opinion, though it might make you feel better it is really just a waste of your energy.

    Most people generalise, I am sure there are a few Brits he admires and respects too... but if you abuse him he is going to ignore that..

    In general terms, short term economic migration is a problem because it is not a fair competition. British people cant take their money back to Pakistan or Estonia. So Brits become exploited and oppressed. That isnt a good thing or a democratic thing.
    Likewise, Muslim fanatics (or Baltic Nazis) aren't healthy for a tolerant and cultured society- another reason to ban it, yes?

    Look at the US Canada border and the US Mexico border... that is the price of success. Most westerners have no idea what life is like in other countries... the worst thing the west has done in the last 200 years is not bomb or shoot, it has been to embargo and isolate. Bomb craters can be filled, but being forced to struggle to survive is far worse... of course people from such countries would like to live where the infrastructure is intact, where roads are built and maintained... where there is a bus service and electricity supply that isn't on from 10am till 2pm during the day if that.

    Perhaps if the West had been nicer and allowed countries to grow and prosper they wouldn't be running to the west to make some money.

    Of course realistically the current movement of people to the west is actually only a fraction of the number it could be.

    If he can honestly claim that while coming of age in the Soviet Union in the 1980s he had free and unrestricted access to a multitude of books and printed material representing a variety of viewpoints, then I will retract my remark.

    Black markets are everywhere... ironic in this case... Twisted Evil Razz


    Were you free to read anything and everything you wanted?

    Should you be asking me?

    Perhaps I would have a different opinion of you if you had opened with such a question and then stated your views based upon that answer.

    Personally I try not to judge the people I interact with, and certainly the idea of prejudging them based upon their skin colour or ethnicity is mildly vulgar to me. I realise it is not helpful, but it reminds me of the Nazis and their world view and I find that repellent.

    Cuba is a basket-case and an economic back-water, although much of that can be attributed to the US embargo.

    Much? Cuba was the med of the atlantic and would be THE go to holiday destination for north americans... except the US bans that.

    However, the fact that Cuba claims, "America hurts us with their embargo" is a tacit admission that communism does not work.

    Clearly Chinese communism shows it can work when the rich west invests in their economy by using their cheap labour.

    It wouldn't matter what form of government the Cubans adopt as long as the US has an embargo they are in trouble. Democratic Iran proves the point. As does Communist China.

    If they were truly convinced of the validity of communism and if communism were truly workable, they would not want to trade with the USA and they would not need to trade with the USA.

    Really? Because the US was happy to licence production in the Communist Soviet Union... the DC-3, a wide range of Ford trucks and tractors, the Maxim machine gun are just a small selection of US or western products licence produced in the Soviet Union.

    Communism is not about a closed economic system, the communist chinese system at the moment has a free market economy... the main difference is that the Chinese have one political party and the US has two.

    Cuba's relationship towards the USA is the equivalent of a wayward son who moves out of the house at age 18 but then still calls mom and dad on a regular basis because he needs them to pay his rent, pay for his groceries, pay for his utilities, and pay for his gasoline.

    Cuba and the US are not related it is more like a neighbour punishing a neighbour. The US does not and has never paid Cubas bills or assisted it in any way. Before Castro most Cubans had menial jobs and most of the land owners were white foreigners, and most of the money was in casinos controlled by US criminal organisations. If your goal was to be a cabana boy all your life then it was utopia.

    Cuba talks a big talk about communism and self-sufficiency and how they don't need to deal with market economy nations, but then in the next sentence they moan about how the American embargo has hurt their nation and how they want to be able to buy food, medicine, spare parts for their vehicles, and modern vehicles, from the USA.

    Communism has nothing to do with self sufficiency... communism does not mean the country is not open to international trade.
    I rather doubt Cuba wants to buy anything from the US, it is the US economic action against any company that operates in Cuba and the US that is the problem... who is going to enter the Cuban market if it means they cannot enter the US market?

    The US is just a bully.

    And a petty one at that. They were happy to trade with China... a country that pushed them out of North Korea during the Korean war, but wont trade with Cuba... both communist countries, but China has killed rather more Americans than Cuba ever did.

    The Arabs simply took the collective knowledge of the Greek-Roman world assembled at the library of Alexandria as well as the Persian library of Gundashapur and brought it all together in one place. They also compelled thousands of the best minds of the Greek and Roman worlds to work on massive projects for them, although this was common with the Turks, Arabs, and Mongols.

    Thank you.

    You have described western white civilisation.

    They simply took the collective knowledge of the world and assembled it into one system and used it to built their "world".

    They stood on the shoulders of Giants, but claim to have reached heights all on their own...

    They claim if they fall no one will ever reach such heights again... Rolling Eyes








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    Re: Talking bollocks thread

    Post  Regular on Thu May 30, 2013 3:58 am

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    And this maniac Regular is the most intolerant person you could imagine.
    I'm intolerant? Who started supremacist west thing? Nick. And You joined.
    He smears British people as lazy scum, and makes up a load of lies.
    Never said all British are like that, but I can see that it is acceptable in Your society. And what lies? Be more specific, as I can back my words.

    He commends Lithuania for "smashing gays heads in" and many other bizarre things.
    Well gay propaganda is pushed to us by EU what do You expect? France had riot because of gays recently. Try to parade on Moscow streets and You will end up the same.

    And then says Lithuania is better than Britain.
    In some ways, yes. You lost values. Your new generation doesn't have same values as it used to. We are worse economically, but if it's the price for being pussified, political correct country, social experiment, then I rather want it to be even poorer just, better life in khruschovka, then life eating fish and chips take-aways, living in mouldy British bungalow and watching terrible brit tv shows Smile

    If he said that in a lot of British pubs, he'd be sent back to his gypsy patch - in a body bag.
    Haha, 3 years ago we even did worse things than that and nothing happened Smile You make it sound like British pubs are taliban hideouts in fact they are nothing more places full of people that have nothing better to do with their life and are only interested to get blocked and probably go for a buck later on. Nothing fun for me there as I don't drink any more. I have nothing in common with people that find this form of amusement. We call them alhashi anyway.

    Its clear how his kind were supporters of Hitler, and committed appalling crimes against Russia.. and now Britain. ANY and EVERY country can do without his kind. Surely you can see that?
    Lithuania was "raped" by Hitler before WW2. Hitler supporters are either dumb or they hate their own people as Lithuanians would be exterminated later on as we are no better than slavs according to Hitler.

    If the guy had kept his mouth shut and respectful to his hosts, I wouldnt have even bothered speaking.
    Respect starts to fade when host thinks it's superior. It was case here and Nick started spout stuff that had to be countered.

    Still I know few brits in Lithuania, for example Mark Splinter that does criticise Lithuania often and I agree with him. He knows what he speaks and his critics are rather valuable

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    Re: Talking bollocks thread

    Post  Corrosion on Thu May 30, 2013 3:22 pm

    BTRfan wrote:
    To claim "mathematics" came from Arabs is absurd.


    The Greeks pioneered geometry and trigonometry. The Arabs simply took the collective knowledge of the Greek-Roman world assembled at the library of Alexandria as well as the Persian library of Gundashapur and brought it all together in one place. They also compelled thousands of the best minds of the Greek and Roman worlds to work on massive projects for them, although this was common with the Turks, Arabs, and Mongols.

    Many important mathematical concepts came from India. Transferred by Persians to Arabs to West later.

    Also, regarding your other comment. Many Russians have mongol features as well. Do you regard them part of Russian Federation or not?


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    Re: Talking bollocks thread

    Post  BTRfan on Thu May 30, 2013 9:07 pm

    GarryB wrote:

    Cuba and the US are not related it is more like a neighbour punishing a neighbour. The US does not and has never paid Cubas bills or assisted it in any way. Before Castro most Cubans had menial jobs and most of the land owners were white foreigners, and most of the money was in casinos controlled by US criminal organisations. If your goal was to be a cabana boy all your life then it was utopia.





    American companies invested tens of billions of dollars in Cuba, built the roads in Cuba, built the railroads, built the refineries, and Castro believed he could nationalize all of that, forcing them to eat a massive loss, and still buy what he needed from the USA.

    Until they return the assets or pay reparations, the embargo should remain.




    If you have a 5,000 acre farm for growing wheat but you have no mill to process the wheat so you contract with me and I end up buying 30 acres of your land and setting up a mill at my own expense, and you immediately turn around and seize the mill once I am done building it, you have to understand we are going to have a major problem.

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    Re: Talking bollocks thread

    Post  BTRfan on Thu May 30, 2013 9:32 pm

    Corrosion wrote:
    BTRfan wrote:
    To claim "mathematics" came from Arabs is absurd.


    The Greeks pioneered geometry and trigonometry. The Arabs simply took the collective knowledge of the Greek-Roman world assembled at the library of Alexandria as well as the Persian library of Gundashapur and brought it all together in one place. They also compelled thousands of the best minds of the Greek and Roman worlds to work on massive projects for them, although this was common with the Turks, Arabs, and Mongols.

    Many important mathematical concepts came from India. Transferred by Persians to Arabs to West later.

    Also, regarding your other comment. Many Russians have mongol features as well. Do you regard them part of Russian Federation or not?





    What do you think about the original population of India?


    Do you think the untouchables came up with mathematics in India?



    You do realize Whites used to have civilizations/nations from North Africa into the Steppes and down into northern India, right?


    India began to develop a caste system after dark races were brought in and mixing began. It was a half-hearted attempted by the Whites to maintain their status within their society, but the end result can be seen today. India is a dark mess, but occasionally one will encounter one of the light brown or yellow elites who has blue eyes or green eyes and hair that is almost brown rather than the standard black hair and black eyes.


    The original founding class of the Indian civilization is gone.

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    Post  Corrosion on Thu May 30, 2013 10:36 pm

    BTRfan wrote:Do you think the untouchables came up with mathematics in India?

    Anybody who was out of vedic system was considered untouchable. Technically a “white” person is untouchable. Read Ancient Indian scriptures you will find it out. Google search the word "Mlechha".

    “You do realize Whites used to have civilizations/nations from North Africa into the Steppes and down into northern India, right?”

    “White” is a general term. “White race” is as real as Equator. The fact is there are so many genetic markers found in Europe. They are as diverse as anywhere in the world.

    India began to develop a caste system after dark races were brought in and mixing began. It was a half-hearted attempted by the Whites to maintain their status within their society, but the end result can be seen today. India is a dark mess, but occasionally one will encounter one of the light brown or yellow elites who has blue eyes or green eyes and hair that is almost brown rather than the standard black hair and black eyes.
    Caste System originally was a “Guna”(meaning talent) based system. You need to learn Indian history dude and get off your Neo-Nazi propaganda. India has seen influx of Scythians, Huns, Yavans(Indo-Greeks), Parthians etc. and also Muslim Central Asian Invaders right from 300B.C. upto 1600 A.D. Skin colour varies between various tribes that have settled in India(mainly North India, Pakistan) with various other regions and so do skull features. Mostly you will find different groups have different genetics as well. Race has much to do with genetics and Physical features than Skin colour. In North India you will find some Children having almost blonde hair and the hair turning brown and later into Blackish Brown as they grow up. Most if not all Indians have skin that turns Brown with exposure to Sun. People from Various Higher Castes/Tribes especially In Indian Northern parts have light skin because they don’t work outside under the Sun all the time, but you will see the farmers especially will have darker skin. Sun really shines in India most of the time in a year. There goes your skin colour myth about India.

    The original founding class of the Indian civilization is gone.
    LOL gone to Timbaktoo?....thats non-sense even by Aryan Invasion theory standards, the theory which has been debunked already. There are artifacts present that show continuation of Pre Harrapan Civilisation to Indus Valley Civilisation to Vedic Civilisation and to later periods such as Mauryan and Guptas.

    Most of the Great discoveries(eg. Number system) in India were done in the period during which, according to your theory, founding class was already finished off.


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    Re: Talking bollocks thread

    Post  TR1 on Thu May 30, 2013 10:42 pm

    White people made anything great, get over it.

    M i rite?

    No but seriously, what is it about this forum that attracts so many closet racists?

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    Re: Talking bollocks thread

    Post  BTRfan on Fri May 31, 2013 1:22 am

    Corrosion wrote:
    BTRfan wrote:
    To claim "mathematics" came from Arabs is absurd.


    The Greeks pioneered geometry and trigonometry. The Arabs simply took the collective knowledge of the Greek-Roman world assembled at the library of Alexandria as well as the Persian library of Gundashapur and brought it all together in one place. They also compelled thousands of the best minds of the Greek and Roman worlds to work on massive projects for them, although this was common with the Turks, Arabs, and Mongols.

    Many important mathematical concepts came from India. Transferred by Persians to Arabs to West later.

    Also, regarding your other comment. Many Russians have mongol features as well. Do you regard them part of Russian Federation or not?



    For one to be Russian one has to be Slavic, entirely Slavic/Rus.

    Of course it is possible to obtain a Russian passport and have a legal right to live in Russia and work in Russia without being of the Russian/Slavic ethnicity.


    A Turk born in Russia is no more Russian than a German born in Pakistan would be Pakistani.



    Imagine for a moment that the community on Volga Germans was still present in Russia and was thriving... Imagine there were 500,000 families of Volga Germans in Russia [for a total of perhaps 1.5 million Volga Germans], with 200,000 women of child-bearing age... Imagine that each woman would have 12 to 15 children over the next two decades... In 20 years the community of Volga Germans would have increased by around 3 million, representing a substantial minority group. If they were then to begin agitating for German as a national language, they would be unwelcome, wouldn't they? They'd be in Russia but they wouldn't truly be Russian and they never could really be Russian, right? Even still, a few million Germans in the Volga region wouldn't represent an existential threat to Russia... However, 40-50 million Chinese and 20-30 million Muslims spread from the Caucuses to Central Asia/Siberia would represent a major threat.



    In summary, a mixed race person in Russia who is not White/Russia should be afforded the rights and protections provided by the law, assuming he is lawfully residing in Russia, but he should not be accepted as a Russian nor declared to be a Russian because his blood is not Russian.

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    Re: Talking bollocks thread

    Post  BTRfan on Fri May 31, 2013 1:25 am

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    No but seriously, what is it about this forum that attracts so many closet racists?


    Take it as a compliment that most intelligent Americans recognize that they cannot discuss certain topics on American forums due to political correctness and the insanity of enforced diversity.

    People go where the freedom is. That you have Americans coming to a Russian forum to discuss topics that are socially unacceptable in most of the USA and that are outright illegal in many Western/NATO nations, is an admission that Russian culture is more tolerant of differing viewpoints and that Russian forum moderators are mature adults who can handle people with different beliefs.


    The standard way to handle things on any forum operated by Anglo/American moderators is to denounce differing views as "racist" and then ban the forum member.
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    Re: Talking bollocks thread

    Post  Regular on Fri May 31, 2013 1:25 am

    It only makes me wonder why our Indian members stay quiet Smile IMHO, Indians are cool, and I get along with them pretty good, not like with their "neighbours" Wink I had chance work with are very talented and would never put myself higher then them. One of the calmest people I've met.

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    Re: Talking bollocks thread

    Post  BTRfan on Fri May 31, 2013 1:30 am

    Regular wrote:It only makes me wonder why our Indian members stay quiet Smile IMHO, Indians are cool, and I get along with them pretty good, not like with their "neighbours" Wink I had chance work with are very talented and would never put myself higher then them. One of the calmest people I've met.

    I admire how they managed to keep their dignity in the face of repeated abuses heaped upon them by the British/Rothschild empire.



    That said, I do not approve of their massive presence in the USA.


    Indeed 60% of all small hotels/motels are owned by Indians. They also own many of the gas stations and corner stores.



    Less than 50% of all Technology/Engineering/Science degree graduates are able to get a job in their field in the USA but we are told we need to bring in 180,000 foreigners on H1B visas because "we lack talent for engineering."


    Just as it was wrong for Britain to establish a colony and a commercial empire in India it is wrong for Indians to establish a demographic colony in the USA. The Founding Fathers declared that they were securing a nation for themselves and their posterity.


    I see massive non-white immigration into centuries old White nations as a form of demographic colonization and I detest it along with other forms of colonialism and imperialism.
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    Re: Talking bollocks thread

    Post  TR1 on Fri May 31, 2013 1:32 am

    BTRfan wrote:
    TR1 wrote:

    No but seriously, what is it about this forum that attracts so many closet racists?


    Take it as a compliment that most intelligent Americans recognize that they cannot discuss certain topics on American forums due to political correctness and the insanity of enforced diversity.

    People go where the freedom is. That you have Americans coming to a Russian forum to discuss topics that are socially unacceptable in most of the USA and that are outright illegal in many Western/NATO nations, is an admission that Russian culture is more tolerant of differing viewpoints and that Russian forum moderators are mature adults who can handle people with different beliefs.


    The standard way to handle things on any forum operated by Anglo/American moderators is to denounce differing views as "racist" and then ban the forum member.

    Hahah!

    Live in Russia for sometime, then repeat that statement to me.

    Btw- no reputable Russian scientists or intellectual would back up your notions of racism in any case.


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    Re: Talking bollocks thread

    Post  TR1 on Fri May 31, 2013 1:32 am

    Regular wrote:It only makes me wonder why our Indian members stay quiet Smile IMHO, Indians are cool, and I get along with them pretty good, not like with their "neighbours" Wink I had chance work with are very talented and would never put myself higher then them. One of the calmest people I've met.

    Probably because they have no interest in this retarded thread.

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    Re: Talking bollocks thread

    Post  Regular on Fri May 31, 2013 2:00 am

    For one to be Russian one has to be Slavic, entirely Slavic/Rus.
    Says who? Slavs were mixing with everyone through centuries, like in that stupid saying- scratch a Russian and You will find Tatar.
    There is no 1 clear homogeneous group of Slavs in Russia too.
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    Re: Talking bollocks thread

    Post  TR1 on Fri May 31, 2013 2:05 am

    Only slavs can be Russian huh?

    Then Russia should GTFO out of lands that is conquered that are inhabited by non-slavs, right?

    Nice find Regular, I did not see that gem.
    Racial divisions are pathetic and dangerous.
    Can't believe people still exist whos lives are so empty and insecure they need to reinforce them among racial lines.

    But what would I know? I have no Slavic blood in me after all.

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    Re: Talking bollocks thread

    Post  BTRfan on Fri May 31, 2013 2:16 am

    TR1 wrote: I have no Slavic blood in me after all.

    Which makes you?


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    Re: Talking bollocks thread

    Post  BTRfan on Fri May 31, 2013 2:16 am

    TR1 wrote:
    BTRfan wrote:
    TR1 wrote:

    No but seriously, what is it about this forum that attracts so many closet racists?


    Take it as a compliment that most intelligent Americans recognize that they cannot discuss certain topics on American forums due to political correctness and the insanity of enforced diversity.

    People go where the freedom is. That you have Americans coming to a Russian forum to discuss topics that are socially unacceptable in most of the USA and that are outright illegal in many Western/NATO nations, is an admission that Russian culture is more tolerant of differing viewpoints and that Russian forum moderators are mature adults who can handle people with different beliefs.


    The standard way to handle things on any forum operated by Anglo/American moderators is to denounce differing views as "racist" and then ban the forum member.

    Hahah!

    Live in Russia for sometime, then repeat that statement to me.

    Btw- no reputable Russian scientists or intellectual would back up your notions of racism in any case.





    It seems there are dozens of political parties in Russia and each of them has at least something of a following.

    In the USA there are probably only five political parties which have any appreciable number of voters/followers and of course there are only TWO that have power in Washington DC.
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    Re: Talking bollocks thread

    Post  Regular on Fri May 31, 2013 2:19 am

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    But what would I know? I have no Slavic blood in me after all.
    May I ask You what blood do You have then? Sorry if it's personal
    Funny thing that I don't know what exactly blood I have. I know that my father family is naturalised Belarussians, Polish and Lithuanians. That's what You get living next to the border.
    Mother side is mystery to us. Not sure when they came to Lithuania from Russia. Could be hundred years ago. But they are old believers, starovery.
    Would like to find out more, but Kuzmin surname is very common, so can't trace it.
    Where can I find out more about it, is there a site where You can check records or something or You have to go archives?
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    Re: Talking bollocks thread

    Post  TR1 on Fri May 31, 2013 2:29 am

    Regular wrote:
    TR1 wrote:
    But what would I know? I have no Slavic blood in me after all.
    May I ask You what blood do You have then? Sorry if it's personal
    Funny thing that I don't know what exactly blood I have. I know that my father family is naturalised Belarussians, Polish and Lithuanians. That's what You get living next to the border.
    Mother side is mystery to us. Not sure when they came to Lithuania from Russia. Could be hundred years ago. But they are old believers, starovery.
    Would like to find out more, but Kuzmin surname is very common, so can't trace it.
    Where can I find out more about it, is there a site where You can check records or something or You have to go archives?

    Not personal at all, blood really means very little to me.
    Half Avar, Half Dargin- now is there any Slav mixed in there over the past several centuries? Who the hell knows. Not that I know off, but it never really interested me.

    I know some people pay a handsome sum of money to trace bloodlines, and it can get pricy if it involves actual genetic testing and such of family trees.

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