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    Post  VladimirSahin on Mon Jun 13, 2016 3:23 am

    I almost forgot we could talk bollocks here, well then let me de-charge my rage in a quick rant.

    Why is it that westerners' countries fu*king arm terrorists world wide and they are considered angels, but when Russia supports a people who have been obviously targeted by discrimination and weapons of large calibers Russia is fu*king bad? Sure the same could be argued for about the Syrian rebels, how ever most of these rebels are mostly fu*king terrorists from other nations. And how the f*ck can the US build a base on YPG which is literally like a Kosovo just YPG isn't fighting the government. Also, how the f*ck are westerners looking at what happened in Kiev as fucking legal? God damn Ukropi people who decided that EU will save them look what happened? Where is the EU now? Anyways I hope that Kiev's government is f*cking torn to pieces in the coming years.

    I also hope that these sanctions reverse and go straight up the nations who imposed them. Russia will survive, and the worst of the sanctions are over, and no matter what Russia will always support DPR/LPR Twisted Evil and Crimea will always be Russian. I hope this was the appropriate thread to post such a rant, but I'm sick of westerners being able to bash Russia on forums and get away with it. yes sir
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    Post  max steel on Thu Jun 30, 2016 7:30 am

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    max steel wrote:I've seen the same David Axe link on other forums too where people were laughing at his BS  but boy oh boy this forum turned it into a trainwreck. When I joined 2 years back this forum had good contributors but slowly it's turning into _ . lol1

    I love you too Razz

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    Post  Vann7 on Tue Jul 05, 2016 12:02 pm

    @GunshipDemocracy

    This is very simple .. just tell me where does you money goes whenever you have opportunity
    to buy something you want? and from all the things you have in your house.. Name me one
    that was made -designed by Russia?   No


    take a look at the things i got ,with hard earned money.


    South Korea

    similar display than this. from LG




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    Japan..

    http://www.flatpanelshd.com/pictures/sonybdps5100-1l.jpg
    https://images-na.ssl-images-amazon.com/images/I/61UC0EnXgSL._SL1200_.jpg

    https://cnet2.cbsistatic.com/hub/i/r/2013/11/11/b8024faa-67c2-11e3-a665-14feb5ca9861/thumbnail/770x433/9950a2a4963556720727f9c8dde65f20/Sony_PS4_35618167_01.jpg

    America

    http://www.kitchencabinetsandbeyond.com

    http://static3.gamespot.com/uploads/scale_super/1179/11799911/2921921-halo5.jpg

    https://s2.bukalapak.com/img/1/5/6/5/3/5/1/8/2/medium/67757_60ec2104-5fe8-417e-ae34-a9240c76683d.jpg


    http://static1.gamespot.com/uploads/screen_kubrick/1365/13658182/3063768-nvidiageforcegtx1080_review_promo_20160516.jpg


    If you want clothing ,or music ? or movies ?which country will get your money?

    The countries that gets your money , are countries that influence you.


    how about restaurants ..? which are your favorite restaurants? i bet none of them
    are Russian.

    Ukrainians really love American culture.. Entertainment CREATES Culture.

    how they influenced.?

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    then lets see how Russia influence ukrainians and the world..

    Then How Russia influence the world?  Neutral
    definitively not with this.

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    neither with this..

    http://www.russiawanderer.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/04/russian-dance.jpg

    When people talk about the Russian culture , talks in reality about the past.
    So what is wrong with the present ? Why not create a new culture?

    neither this.
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    neither this .. (only creates nationalism and nothing else and ignored quick by the world)

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    Russia major problem is that the things Putin really likes ,to promote
    from Russia to the world..

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    that the average society don't really care.
    Because it give them NOTHING ,they can use or benefit from it.



    Putin have tried to sell Russia image in the world , around selling cheap energy and materials.
    and around its traditional family values (which is not bad as long is the only thing you offer)
    and around is glorious soviet past ,and Russian empire past.  Rolling Eyes

    and in the things that it really can make a major difference ,because
    already have those capabilities.. ie.. SPACE.. is not taking it seriously and is
    happy to be taxi to the ISS and allows americans to steal the show with its
    mars and jupiter probe mission.   lol1  

    And totally ignoring ,the way Americans Business influence the world.

    When a country as tiny as South Korea is seen as more developed than Russia , then there have to be something really really wrong with the economic model / business in Russia.

    Putin since came to power.. all he have been doing is trying to Lead in Energy
    ,create a monopoly of oil and gas ,and rare materials. Things that while is good for money,
    is not that good for nation world wide influence.  and promote nationalism
    based on soviet victory , No Why not promote nationalism based on Russia present?
    Now the Dinosaur president ,wants to make Russia the world leading exporter
    of healthy food.  

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    is like he live in another planet and not aware of the world he live. A world where technology
    and entertainment and space exploration takes all the bells and whistles and but not ignoring
    the human rights and freedom. the last one being the only reasons Americans losing influence

    While Putin promotes the soviet good days, the soviet culture. Culture = Entertainment habits.
    The Russian young generation promotes the western culture. Laughing



    And how can anyone blame them? I can understand the worship of American/japanese culture.
    Because is a modern culture ,that live In the PRESENT ,and not in the past . Is even
    interesting to notice how American Entertainment industry ,is constantly shaping the culture of the nation .While Russia continue singing its Katyuska soviet song. Rolling Eyes American culture (and japanese/european) dominate the Ukrainians and RUssians with their entertainment.



    Russia is not going to promote being taken seriously in the world , by being the major exporter of healthy food. or by being #1 country in sports.  what are they thinking?  Neutral

    Only things like this..  LEADING!!!

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    or this..

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    and this ...

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    is what will help Russia become a respected nation in the world again, and start attracting
    nations to become closer to Russia. and the most unthinkable thing will happen. Sanctions
    will end. Because Americans will see ,for the first time , it really needs Russia.   Wink
    and that it could benefit enormously by making an alliance with a nation that leads and
    dominates in space.


    If Russia leads again in Space ,as soviets did . Being FIRST again,
    The entire world will be so happy celebrating the success of Russia leading in space,
    that it will be IMPOSSIBLE for americans to continue with its Russia aggression rhetoric
    and they will have to back down in their cold war. and recognize Russia have a place
    in the world.   russia


    and this is when a LOT of European nations will want to be part of the Russia
    economic block. and this is when Russia will be incredibly filthy rich with business
    offers ,advertisements in the moon ,tourism in the moon. American companies will be fighting
    with European ones for business with Russia in space..  Cool

    this is when Russia economy will sky rocket ,and then Then Ukrainians will no longer want to be part of the Euro ,but will REVERSE their preference and "will feel more Russian"    lol1
    after evaluating things again. When Russia becomes a powerful economy with powerful business ,leading power in space and technology again.


    if Russia manage to compete seriously against Microsoft, Intel ,Apple or nvidia ,then
    the whole thing will change , and no longer Americans leadership will be need in the world.
    and many European countries will join Russia lead.  

    Is all about leading where it counts. in technology , or in space technology or in entertainment technology.  Sports what a waste of money. It does not produce anything new . is good to have it. but spending too much money on it so much is a waste. Sochi for example could have been better dedicated to enertainment theme parks instead and not sport Olympics. as Orlando Disney in America and even attract even more tourist with the huge money invested.


    had Russia was a very influential nation in the world in Business that society love,technology and space. Russia will not even have a need to have a single nuke at all. just like Japan does not need nukes and does not need to win in sports to be recognized as a leader. This is because their business alone , will be so powerful and attractive , that it will be impossible for any American or western Government to sanctions it.  Just exactly as it will be impossible to sanction Japan Entertainment business in the world. That have become almost a World wide culture for young generations of society.  Shocked  Wink



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    Post  sepheronx on Tue Jul 05, 2016 2:26 pm

    Such a shame that incompetent people in knowledge of economy like Vann rely on stupidity on concept of superficial things he sees around him, like TV sets. He doesn't realize though that the laser used in disk readers were designed in Soviet Union. He also fails to acknowledge that most we use today in chemistry to make all that stuff comes from Russia (periodic table as example). Or he also fails to see how Russia's contribution to space development for US and EU in everything from rockets to rovers to satellites have many Russian subcomponents.

    Whatever, I am done with this forums as well I think. It is beyond me why we allow such people to flood the forums, degrading it with incoherent rants. I will stick around to read but I don't think I will contribute anymore.
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    Post  PapaDragon on Tue Jul 05, 2016 2:39 pm

    sepheronx wrote:...................

    Whatever, I am done with this forums as well I think.  It is beyond me why we allow such people to flood the forums, degrading it with incoherent rants.  I will stick around to read but I don't think I will contribute anymore.

    Agreed, this place has turned to crap long ago. Trolls flood the place with trash which convinces both frequent users and casual lurkers to avoid this forum but mods just ignore and support them.

    I am done too. I will be keeping account for the sake of ignore function but I have finished with wasting my time posting content here.

    Enjoy Ultron's company and his intelligent contributions.

    Adios!
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    Post  Vann7 on Tue Jul 05, 2016 3:15 pm

    sepheronx wrote:Such a shame that incompetent people in knowledge of economy like Vann rely on stupidity on concept of superficial things he sees around him, like TV sets.  He doesn't realize though that the laser used in disk readers were designed in Soviet Union.  He also fails to acknowledge that most we use today in chemistry to make all that stuff comes from Russia (periodic table as example).  Or he also fails to see how Russia's contribution to space development for US and EU in everything from rockets to rovers to satellites have many Russian subcomponents.

    Whatever, I am done with this forums as well I think.  It is beyond me why we allow such people to flood the forums, degrading it with incoherent rants.  I will stick around to read but I don't think I will contribute anymore.


    @Seph..

    It doesn't matter who did what first, are you kidding me? What does that have to do with
    business? Im not discussing who have the biggest brains.. Russia have incredibly ,talented
    scientist and engineers. The problem is the Mediocre Government ,that focus largely the model of its economy around business that will not help Russia in  way ,to become influential nation in the world. and its interest respected by Europe. specially in Ukraine. ^^

    Please explain me Seph.. What have caused the economic problems of Russia?
    the recession it face today ?  does it was because Russian business were bad? NO.
    Russia economic problems today , is consequence of economic war of the americans.
    And it is the lack of Leadership ,the lack of Russia business influence over Europe and the world, what allows Americans to hit Russia the way it does.  Americans tells Europe to pick which side
    they want to follow ,and Russia is not chosen. obviously because it doesn't have anything
    to replace americans business. Nothing to replace American internet. Nothing to replace Microsoft,Intel or Apple , nothing to replace American entertainment industry.

    It doesn't matter Seph who manufacture anything ,what matters is which company designed it ,that dominates and LEADS.who Controls what. and who follows.
    Europe follows American business, business leads politics ,it leads everything. Russia follows American Business. otherwise will nationalize its bank and stop using dollars.

    then how in hell you expect Russia economy to take off ever ,if its business does not compete with the american ones and leads ,and does not offers an alternative to the american business?   

    You can be discussing all day , central bank this ,central bank that , 5th column this or that ,
    "Traitors" here or there. but thats only looking at the superficial things. all that is irrelevant.
    In the end people are owners of their actions , and people only follow what they consider the
    the best. What is leading.

    As long Russian people are influenced by American culture
    Russian business influenced by American ones , and  russian bank follower of the americans banks ,then Russia will continue with more and more economic problems. because the LEADER  AMericans above them will sabotage any progress of Russia economy. more and more sanctions Russia will get. then all your magic economic formulas will go to the toilet. Because do not
    see there is a war of Influence ,what is really happening in the world between Americans
    and Russia ,and Russia not doing well.

    Putin wants to be #1 exporter of organic food? in what way all that will matter if american later  lure away any Russian clients through blackmail?   Neutral

    Now Russia defense industry is under American sanctions too..
    So any country who buys Russian weapons will be subject to Americans retaliation.
    Only Major nations like China or India and few others will be able to disobey.
      

    Is an influence problem Seph. Americans pull Europe away of Russia and Russia pulls
    Europe back but with a clear domination of Americans.  and US use its business and economic
    dominance to make Europe do anything they want. But none of this problems will exist ,had Russia focused in creating business that competes with American ones. as well as Russia do in
    space. because that will allow European nations to move away and join the Russian economic block including Ukraine. If they had a real alternative to many of American business.
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    Post  Project Canada on Tue Jul 05, 2016 6:08 pm

    PapaDragon wrote:
    sepheronx wrote:...................

    Whatever, I am done with this forums as well I think.  It is beyond me why we allow such people to flood the forums, degrading it with incoherent rants.  I will stick around to read but I don't think I will contribute anymore.

    Agreed, this place has turned to crap long ago. Trolls flood the place with trash which convinces both frequent users and casual lurkers to avoid this forum but mods just ignore and support them.

    I am done too. I will be keeping account for the sake of ignore function but I have finished with wasting my time posting content here.

    Enjoy Ultron's company and his intelligent contributions.  

    Adios!

    What if they are part of CIA's troll army to degrade Russian forums on the net to unintelligible shthole it is now (thanks to them) and discourage people from participating? Their attempts are pretty obvious. Anyways I have my own plan to strike back at the United Snakes of A. Hint: focus on the offense. A little anti american propaganda here and there wouldn't cost you guys a lot of your spare time. Stir up people's anger towards America etc. I am already boycotting American products for as much as I can, with every opportunity.
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    Post  GunshipDemocracy on Tue Jul 05, 2016 6:37 pm

    sepheronx wrote: Whatever, I am done with this forums as well I think.  It is beyond me why we allow such people to flood the forums, degrading it with incoherent rants.  I will stick around to read but I don't think I will contribute anymore.

    Sorry to hear that Seph, appreciated your contribution anyway and hope you reconsider your decision  Smile

    As for Vann he is well kinda of childish living in fantasy world where everything is black and white but IMHO he is no troll jut to young to understand.



    PapaDragon wrote: Agreed, this place has turned to crap long ago. Trolls flood the place with trash which convinces both frequent users and casual lurkers to avoid this forum but mods just ignore and support them.

    I am done too. I will be keeping account for the sake of ignore function but I have finished with wasting my time posting content here.

    Enjoy Ultron's company and his intelligent contributions.  

    Adios!

    oh no not you again! damn you guys, worthy contributors should not leave
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    Post  Vann7 on Tue Jul 05, 2016 8:35 pm

    seph got mad , because he thinks , i downgraded Russia technological and scientific
    and business potential capabilities in any way shape or form. and thats not correct.
    Im really convinced Russia can do as well in many other technology business and it can do
    in space.  My only complain is with Putin's Policies , that Russia have a Huge , potential and the government does not take advantage of it. Putin waste the money of Russian citizens in pensions , in sports , in maintain a very large soviet navy ,and cut the funding in the most important things in were Russia can truly make a difference in business in the world.    

    How i cannot get upset , when Russia spend $62 billions in sports alone  , but then go give $2billions a year to its space program and be happy with that. and now Russian banned from sports but when it comes to space or any high tech business , Putin goes and goes
    very cheap .  then Go and a makes a deal with China to build a $250 billions super train .   Suspect    but then at the same time cut space budget by 30%.   cry   then later give away
    $1billion to pensioners that not even live in Russia.

    Then announce a new super nuke train to "protect Russia" from an american attack.

    Am i not reasonable to see upset about this  ?  Is this is trolling?    Neutral    

    Then later Putin complains that the west does not takes Russia seriously , and i see clearly
    what Putin is doing wrong. Is simply not leading in the world in the business that really matters.
    Is not stealing the show. Not competing with Americans in their best business.  Putin loves to compete with Americans in sports..  But What's wrong to compete with americans best business too ? Whats so bad about it?  Putin needs to wait for sanctions to happen in 2014 to start replacing american IT technology in Russia.  He is like an decade late.  Neutral  But still just very timid with that.very limited the investments of Russia in IT.  Sports investments is like 50x times higher. of what Russia spend in IT.

    The key of Russia to stop American Imperialism and even end NATO ,is to counter
    American top business ,at least compete just like Japan does. But Putin cannot do that with words alone. it needs to create Top quality Business (technology and entertainment) that represent an alternative to the American Business. at the same Start experimenting with a new Swift ,new internet ,new economic model not using dollars .Create conditions for an easier transition from the American world ,once their economy collapse. So  Russia becomes a Real Alternative to American IT business and Entertainment and more than anything Russia needs to takes the lead again in Space.

      If Putin just stay happy with easy to run ,low risk business , like Oil and Gas ,and agriculture , and allow Americans to continue leading in the most popular business , then it will be a matter of time Americans will manage to isolate Russia from the western world completely.and even provoke revolution in Russia ,just like Euromaidans. when Russia economy gets very bad. they can do that easily By creating more problems and conflicts near Russian borders as they did in Ukraine and Georgia and Syria ,or countries Russia have interest and disconnecting all Russian business from Europe.

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    Post  OminousSpudd on Wed Jul 06, 2016 11:32 am

    GunshipDemocracy wrote:
    sepheronx wrote: Whatever, I am done with this forums as well I think.  It is beyond me why we allow such people to flood the forums, degrading it with incoherent rants.  I will stick around to read but I don't think I will contribute anymore.

    Sorry to hear that Seph, appreciated your contribution anyway and hope you reconsider your decision  Smile

    As for Vann he is well kinda of childish living in fantasy world where everything is black and white but IMHO he is no troll jut to young to understand.



    PapaDragon wrote: Agreed, this place has turned to crap long ago. Trolls flood the place with trash which convinces both frequent users and casual lurkers to avoid this forum but mods just ignore and support them.

    I am done too. I will be keeping account for the sake of ignore function but I have finished with wasting my time posting content here.

    Enjoy Ultron's company and his intelligent contributions.  

    Adios!

    oh no not you again! damn you guys, worthy contributors should not leave

    Damn... It's sad but true. Mods have ignored the trolls, while punishing legitimate posters, every bloody thread is broken up by ignored posts now.
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    Post  Werewolf on Wed Jul 06, 2016 12:09 pm

    That is why i haven't posted much like half a year or more now. Mods and Vlad maybe think about it or see it dying your choice and you know it. Over a year i have complaint about double accounts by trolls even the forum rules by Vlad stated it is prohibited aswell voting system was abused by such double accounts but still no action against the abusers. Your own fault when it dies, not ours. Have better things to do then waste my time being flooded by trolls which purpose is soley to let it die since their little rats ship mp.net sunk. They are a cancer, cut it out or die!
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    Post  higurashihougi on Wed Jul 06, 2016 7:04 pm

    @Garry, @Vlad: I think there is a serious problem here, would you mind giving your opinion ?
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    Post  GarryB on Thu Jul 07, 2016 8:01 pm

    I could say everyone with a view contrary to mine is a troll... if I ban everyone who does not agree with me then we end up with a forum of yes men, where I post my opinion and everyone agrees.

    I don't like arguments... the old saying of arguing with an idiot on the internet is a waste of time... they drag you down to their level and beat you with experience.

    I am annoyed at people who blame everything on Putin, but then there are people who blame everything on the US or the Jews or aliens or Muslims. I can't stop ignorance, no matter how much I ban.

    As shown by an obvious return idiot, do we keep banning over and over as they keep returning with different usernames?

    IP bans are not the answer as you can just unplug your router and then plug back in as most companies have a range of IP addresses that are assigned dynamically, so when they reconnect they will be allocated a new IP address.


    Damn... It's sad but true. Mods have ignored the trolls, while punishing legitimate posters, every bloody thread is broken up by ignored posts now.

    I object to that comment Spudd... what legitimate or illegitimate posters have been punished by a mod?
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    Post  Vann7 on Fri Jul 08, 2016 2:24 am

    GarryB wrote:I could say everyone with a view contrary to mine is a troll... if I ban everyone who does not agree with me then we end up with a forum of yes men, where I post my opinion and everyone agrees.

    I don't like arguments... the old saying of arguing with an idiot on the internet is a waste of time... they drag you down to their level and beat you with experience.

    I am annoyed at people who blame everything on Putin, but then there are people who blame everything on the US or the Jews or aliens or Muslims.  I can't stop ignorance, no matter how much I ban.

    As shown by an obvious return idiot, do we keep banning over and over as they keep returning with different usernames?

    IP bans are not the answer as you can just unplug your router and then plug back in as most companies have a range of IP addresses that are assigned dynamically, so when they reconnect they will be allocated a new IP address.


    Damn... It's sad but true. Mods have ignored the trolls, while punishing legitimate posters, every bloody thread is broken up by ignored posts now.

    I object to that comment Spudd... what legitimate or illegitimate posters have been punished by a mod?


    I have disagree many times with Garry in the past.. and still does.. Smile in many strategy
    issues of Russia military.. ie.. Like the way Pak-DA should be. etc. But i never for a single
    moment though it was not valuable Garry contributions to the forum. he knows a lot of
    military stuff and learn alot.. Seph i think he got mad , because he believed i was downplaying Russia capabilities in technology as no idea how he got that impression.
    Since i my only complain is Putin internal Policies with Russia economy. how he waste so much money in things i feel Russia dont need. The funny thing in all this is that i always appreciated
    Seph information about technology , he knows a lot of IT.. So he was too over sensitive when
    he joined the discussion. In any case i think he will return.. lol and all back to normal.
    Because he clearly missinterpreted what i told . Since im not expert in economy will leave this section to the people who are experts in the subjet. i just shared my view about How Russia
    waste money and how it creates the economic problem it gets.

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    Post  OminousSpudd on Fri Jul 08, 2016 3:31 am

    GarryB wrote:I could say everyone with a view contrary to mine is a troll... if I ban everyone who does not agree with me then we end up with a forum of yes men, where I post my opinion and everyone agrees.

    I don't like arguments... the old saying of arguing with an idiot on the internet is a waste of time... they drag you down to their level and beat you with experience.

    I am annoyed at people who blame everything on Putin, but then there are people who blame everything on the US or the Jews or aliens or Muslims.  I can't stop ignorance, no matter how much I ban.

    As shown by an obvious return idiot, do we keep banning over and over as they keep returning with different usernames?

    IP bans are not the answer as you can just unplug your router and then plug back in as most companies have a range of IP addresses that are assigned dynamically, so when they reconnect they will be allocated a new IP address.


    Damn... It's sad but true. Mods have ignored the trolls, while punishing legitimate posters, every bloody thread is broken up by ignored posts now.

    I object to that comment Spudd... what legitimate or illegitimate posters have been punished by a mod?

    I apologize for the generalization, overall you have been fine (in my short time here, and my opinion) with the posters that have added to the forum. What or who I mainly meant was the blatant slamming of Militarov for that WiB article... It just seems like double standards when there are multiple people quoting sources with incorrect or propagandist fantasy, yet go largely ignored by admins, and I do not understand having different expectations for different people. At the end of the day, should we not all post to relatively the same standards, so as to keep the integrity of the forum? You stuck to your guns with Militarov even though he didn't even believe the article he had posted, unlike many of the other members here: Ultron and his crew of bot accounts, Vann7 occasionally, Solcenepek, Rmf etc. Militarov was otherwise a high quality poster, and although you never took physical action against his account, he decided that he was being treated poorly considering the circumstances (the surrounding aforementioned trolls), an opinion the majority of us were inclined to agree with (I know it's not a democracy, but there is often merit to someone's point if other well established and respected members are taking the same view).

    As an example, Rmf has been debunked numerous times by Big_Gazza and crew, yet he still believes the same tripe, and continues to clog up the threads with propaganda, I simply can not understand the tolerance towards these members, yet a seeming intolerance when valued contributors post "know your enemy" links.
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    Post  Rmf on Fri Jul 08, 2016 9:51 am

    will you stop mentioning me in any context ,ever again. noob.
    i have 300ish posts 2 times less then you and yet your constant so called ""flood""b.s. is getting annoying.

    gaza didnt debunk anything , 0 proof , not 1 link from you so stop b.s. trolling....i actually destroyed him on many things.
    and i am reporting you for mobbing other users.
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    Post  jhelb on Fri Jul 08, 2016 10:32 am

    PapaDragon wrote:
    Agreed, this place has turned to crap long ago. Trolls flood the place with trash which convinces both frequent users and casual lurkers to avoid this forum but mods just ignore and support them.

    I am done too. I will be keeping account for the sake of ignore function but I have finished with wasting my time posting content here.

    Enjoy Ultron's company and his intelligent contributions.  

    Adios!

    Plz give me the name of at least one forum that's devoid of trolls? These trolls are just a bunch of pathetic hack desperate for relevance.

    Why would you take a troll's obvious bait? Learn to ignore them. DO NOT reply to their posts. End of matter. Period.

    OminousSpudd wrote: I simply can not understand the tolerance towards these members, yet a seeming intolerance when valued contributors post "know your enemy" links.

    But that's the beauty of this forum my friend. If posters would have been banned for airing their views this forum would have been called mp.net or keys or F16.net.

    If you respond to these trolls & help them gain the attention that they desperately seek you are actually becoming an accessory to trolling.

    Ignore these fools, grow up. What do you think the "Ignore List" function of this forum is for?
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    Post  Werewolf on Fri Jul 08, 2016 1:43 pm

    Seriously are you guys stuck with your heads in your own arse and listening to your own shit or is your brain just dislocated from the rest of your heads?

    Nobody fucking gives a shit about people with opinion, people are fucking complaining about Trolls that are rampaging here with fucking DOZENS of fucking accounts and while mods/admin does not do jack shit despite having official forum rule for no double accounts you are just do not give a fuck about it. The consequence for not having consequences for forum abusers and forum rule breakers is they do what the fuck they want and you only encourage it by your shitty attitude like Garry said: "They will just make another account or reconnect to internet bla bla bloop". Fucking keep them banning untill they fucking get annoyed and quit for good.

    Use your brain for once or just see this turn to meaningless and then try to find another english speaking forum of russian equipment, good luck with that. Nobody says go ban everyone with different opinion you are just full of your own shit right now.
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    Post  OminousSpudd on Fri Jul 08, 2016 2:54 pm

    @Jhelb, Rmf.
    I wasn't even addressing anyone getting banned... I was asking for equal treatment. I wouldn't have thought that was so hard, maybe I am wrong.
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    Post  kvs on Fri Jul 08, 2016 4:27 pm

    I don't see a massive troll problem on this board. Perhaps I am not visiting the afflicted threads to see this.
    The Syria threads have some troll-ish posters but in my experience there will always be some and there is no
    swarm of them here. Dozens of accounts? Sorry but that cannot be true otherwise we would have several times
    more troll posts than regular posts. There are not that many regular posters on this board and they are not
    swamped.

    I guess everyone's troll sensitivity is different but the level of freaking about trolls that I see is excessive. Even
    if you see a troll get quoted that does not mean you have to read what they wrote. Troll post followups are
    sparse on this board.

    MP net was a steaming pile of trolls who were in effect the regular posters and the moderators themselves. This
    board is not like this at all (the mods do not troll at all) and people should not be so quick to flush it down the
    toilet and quit.
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    Post  Vann7 on Fri Jul 08, 2016 10:54 pm

    Werewolf wrote:Seriously are you guys stuck with your heads in your own arse and listening to your own shit or is your brain just dislocated from the rest of your heads?

    Nobody fucking gives a shit about people with opinion, people are fucking complaining about Trolls that are rampaging here with fucking DOZENS of fucking accounts and while mods/admin does not do jack shit despite having official forum rule for no double accounts you are just do not give a fuck about it. The consequence for not having consequences for forum abusers and forum rule breakers is they do what the fuck they want and you only encourage it by your shitty attitude like Garry said: "They will just make another account or reconnect to internet bla bla bloop". Fucking keep them banning untill they fucking get annoyed and quit for good.

    Use your brain for once or just see this turn to meaningless and then try to find another english speaking forum of russian equipment, good luck with that. Nobody says go ban everyone with different opinion you are just full of your own shit right now.

    Now seriously you are trolling here..
    who have 12 accounts? Suspect Stop complaining and crying , is just a forum. If you don't
    like anyone post just use Ignore function and problem solved. Rolling Eyes
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    Post  Big_Gazza on Sat Jul 09, 2016 1:15 am

    Rmf wrote:gaza didnt debunk anything ....i actually destroyed him on many things.

    You think so?.... ffs.... whenever I try to give you the benefit of the doubt, you open your gob and make me regret it....
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    Post  jhelb on Sat Jul 09, 2016 4:14 am

    OminousSpudd wrote:@Jhelb, Rmf.
    I wasn't even addressing anyone getting banned... I was asking for equal treatment. I wouldn't have thought that was so hard, maybe I am wrong.

    Neither am I advocating a ban. All that I am saying is if you think a forum poster is trolling simply add that poster to your ignore list.
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    Post  GarryB on Mon Jul 11, 2016 6:54 pm

    Seph i think he got mad , because he believed i was downplaying Russia capabilities in technology as no idea how he got that impression.

    I think seph got mad because we keep having the same discussions with you over and over... Russia is not the US and it is all Putins fault seems to be your point of view.

    When we try to tell you Russia does not need to emulate the US and be more US than the US... because that would actually be a bad thing rather than a good thing.

    Russia needs to find its own way... the measure of Russias success is not how popular Russia becomes in western media and western pop culture, nor is it how many TVs are made in Russia that hang on the walls of my home.

    Russia will always be the boogey man in western media because Russia is not the west... Russia has a choice... it can either be the boogeyman, or it can be irrelevant and largely ignored like it was in the 1990s... I know which is better for Russia.

    Since i my only complain is Putin internal Policies with Russia economy. how he waste so much money in things i feel Russia dont need.

    Have not seen the polls for your popularity, but the polls for Putin suggest that most Russians are happy with his choices... and I think that is what matters.

    I mean no disrespect for disagreeing with you, you are entitled to your opinion.

    i just shared my view about How Russia
    waste money and how it creates the economic problem it gets.

    It could solve all its international economic problems overnight... it just has to let foreign... read western oil companies into Russia and let them do what they like where they like and America will love their new Russian allies... as long as they step into line and love Israel unconditionally and hate Iran and North Korea and their friends and allies.

    Russia is better off with poor economic ties with the west... it can create ties with the rest of the worlds economies and be economically successful.

    What or who I mainly meant was the blatant slamming of Militarov for that WiB article... It just seems like double standards when there are multiple people quoting sources with incorrect or propagandist fantasy, yet go largely ignored by admins, and I do not understand having different expectations for different people.

    If someone like Flagship Victory or Ultron or Resistance posts an article about Russian aircraft getting shot down in enormous numbers in Syria while trying to kill innocent civilians I should ban them but if Militarov should post the same article I should just ignore it because he was being ironic?

    Militarov was a good contributor to this forum, but if he is going to start posting shit and then defending a right to post shit because other members do the same then I am not allowed to post my opinion that what he posted was shit?

    Not when confronted about what he posted he didn't say he just posted it for a laugh at the ignorance of the author... he said he posted it because it had a few good points.

    I thought Zivo had the best reply... he took the article to pieces showing there was very little of any worth at all.

    At the end of the day, should we not all post to relatively the same standards, so as to keep the integrity of the forum?

    We all should... but we don't.

    You stuck to your guns with Militarov even though he didn't even believe the article he had posted, unlike many of the other members here: Ultron and his crew of bot accounts, Vann7 occasionally, Solcenepek, Rmf etc.

    I stuck to my guns because I expected better than that shit from him. Someone with lessor knowledge might post such an article and ask us to pick it to pieces to find anything relevant, but that is not what he did. He posted crap and then tried to defend his right to post crap by saying others post crap here.

    Militarov was otherwise a high quality poster, and although you never took physical action against his account, he decided that he was being treated poorly considering the circumstances (the surrounding aforementioned trolls), an opinion the majority of us were inclined to agree with

    I think Papadragon and JohnMK agree with you as they both continue to post shit articles from War is boring. I don't bother pointing it out as it is just my opinion that the articles they point out are crap and if they want to lower the tone with such garbage who am I to tell them what to post here... I am not the content police.

    Of course I am a member too so if the mood takes me and if they post crap like the Russian AF is killing innocent civilians and is losing half their aircraft in Syria rather than just posting a link I might reply with a WTF are you posting this shit here reply... or I might just lower my expectations of what to expect from those two posters.

    Militarov surprised me with that article... I was disappointed, and asked for a reason why he posted such rubbish... to my surprise his reply was that other people post similar drivel so why can't he.

    He was defending a right to lower the tone... perhaps he is having problems at home or at work.

    I haven't banned him, but I really now realise I don't understand him.

    As an example, Rmf has been debunked numerous times by Big_Gazza and crew, yet he still believes the same tripe, and continues to clog up the threads with propaganda, I simply can not understand the tolerance towards these members, yet a seeming intolerance when valued contributors post "know your enemy" links.

    You can lead a horse to water by you can't make them drink.

    To help with your understanding... I did respect Militarov, which is why I expected more from him... both in terms of what he posts, and what he defends as his right to post.

    If he wants to post from War is boring and that david ax guy then I wont stop him but I will post my opinion of those shit articles and what an ignorant prick this david ax guy is.


    Why would you take a troll's obvious bait? Learn to ignore them. DO NOT reply to their posts. End of matter. Period.

    Exactly... you can discuss all you want but you can't make them right.

    DOZENS of fucking accounts and while mods/admin does not do jack shit despite having official forum rule for no double accounts you are just do not give a fuck about it.

    What is your fixation about multiple accounts?

    The most common rules broken on this forum are rules 13 and rules 16.

    The consequence for not having consequences for forum abusers and forum rule breakers is they do what the fuck they want and you only encourage it by your shitty attitude like Garry said: "They will just make another account or reconnect to internet bla bla bloop". Fucking keep them banning untill they fucking get annoyed and quit for good.

    The only purpose for a double account is to allow you to get away with breaking the rules so when the rule breaking account is banned they just swap to one of their other accounts.

    WTF... I haven't banned anyone for ages... so why bother making extra accounts if you are not going to get banned.

    Perhaps you might have a point if we kept getting new account users that blatantly break the rules and get banned... quickly followed by new account uses with the same behaviour that also get banned.

    When no one is getting banned then what is the point of having multiple accounts?

    BTW I have no way of seeing IP addresses.

    I wasn't even addressing anyone getting banned... I was asking for equal treatment. I wouldn't have thought that was so hard, maybe I am wrong.

    Nobody has been banned... isn't that equal treatment?

    OK, I am going to leave this post here for a day or two and then I am going to prune this thread of all this off topic stuff.

    Back on topic please.
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    Post  Vann7 on Mon Jul 11, 2016 10:00 pm



    I think seph got mad because we keep having the same discussions with you over and over... Russia is not the US and it is all Putins fault seems to be your point of view.

    When we try to tell you Russia does not need to emulate the US and be more US than the US... because that would actually be a bad thing rather than a good thing.



    Im not saying Gary that Russia needs to be United States. All i am saying is that
    Russia needs to Compete with American business ,in such a way ,that it can become
    and alternative to Americans in a few but very good and and important business.




    Russia needs to find its own way... the measure of Russias success is not how popular Russia becomes in western media and western pop culture, nor is it how many TVs are made in Russia that hang on the walls of my home.


    and here i agree with you.. Russia have to find its own way.
    But is not going to do that by following the american world. by following the american
    rules , by using American Internet ,by following the american banking industry and by not doing anything to lead in business.

    This is because Russia will be unable to "find its own way" ,while dependent on the american
    world. see?  Americans will never leave alone Russia to make money ,and create a powerful army. it will use everything they have to collapse Russia. Fortunately until now Russia
    is holding the economic warfare. But i don't think this is the best the west can do to damage
    Russia economy. it could be much worse. Imagine Russia disconnected from the american banking system.will have no way to trade with Europe.  or Russia disconnected from internet?


    So i agree with you ,Russia better do something as start putting into action what you say. to find its own way by creating its own world and no longer depending on Americans
    for anything.

    1)Because Russia design its Economy ,around the American world.
    Russia needs to be Popular not only in Russia..but also in the west too..

    Russia develop its nation around the american world ,it use American Internet,
    it use American controlled banking System ,It use American controlled Politics called United Nations. participate in wallstreet ,and its neighbors all of them follows too the American world. So because Russia participate in the American game. IT NEEDS TO COMPETE .
    why it needs to compete?.. to survive  and weaken american business leadership in the world.

    Russia cannot ignore americans ,economic war on Russia,or how they are aligning the world against Russia.

    and how Russia ignores Americans ?
    By not leading ,by not competing. by being happy with easy profit business ,that nobody cares.
    By not creating very influential business for the western average society.
    This does not means to stop doing easy business , only to not ignore
    that it also needs to compete with Americans in the business that allows them to influence more
    the world.

    So Russia cannot be happy with just a growing GDP again, is not enough. it needs to influence
    Europe too , because of #1... and better it will be if Russian business influence Americans society too. (as Russia space program is doing) But that Mr Putin the UnWISE president have chosen to reduce its budget.  Allowing americans to catchup Russia in the only Business Russia was managing to get some respect and some attention  in the world . Neutral

    because Russia REFUSE to compete with Americans most influential Business , it is happy with making money selling food , happing with selling gas at discount.. then it become DISRESPECTED in the world.   RUSSIA MAKES NOTHING  says Obama. and the majority of
    people in the west believe it too.  Because when it comes to their NEEDS.. the needs of the average citizens ,who influence their governments  ,Russia offers NOTHING to Americans society or to European Society ,offers nothing that will make anyone in the west.. Pick Russia
    over United States when it comes to business that and nation development.  

    In the other Hand Americans cannot be isolated ,because everyone needs Internet that americans controls. Everyone needs its computers, everyone/majority wants its Apple products . etc etc etc etc etc. Everyone loves american entertainment industry. including Russians.
    and its the highest economy in the world ,cheating or not , it is.  So this is the major point im
    i have been trying to explain. that Russia is not doing a lot to compete and offer an alternative
    to the american world. and why Russia needs to compete with Americans?.. Go back to 1)
    Because Russia development of its nation is based around the american world ,American Business and American laws.


    So Russia have either.. To Disconnect from the American World. Nationalize its banks ,no longer
    use Dollar or american Internet and create its own World. or they either stay in the American world and competes with them ,to counter American most influential business. and here is the
    major issue. Americans Influence Enormously the Russian society with its business. This means
    that the Russian government is Doomed. it have to do something really Horrible. it needs to compete with American business. This is IF Russia do not want to continue to be humiliated
    in the world as American does and does not want to be under sanctions for ever. All because
    Russia have failed to compete with Americans in the business that more influence they have.
    with the exception of SPACE.. where Russia competes.. but is not taking advantage of it. Is allowing americans to catch up them. So Russia keeps doing safe Business that are very easy and very low risk , which is nothing wrong with that.. but they ignore to compete with Americans in the business that could allow Russia to become more attractive to Europeans in the world and finally convince Europe to leave the american Business world and create a new one with Russia.  And why Russia needs to convince Europe? Go back to #1.
    Because Russia competes in the American world and under their rules. and if want to compete there needs to ,defeat Americans in more places that none ,with its business. So that Americans lose its Power of Influence over Europe and no longer Russia experience sanctions or proxy wars
    that damage Russia economy . If Russia had the influence that Japan have in the world ,it will
    have been very difficult for Americans to do any sanctions on Russia at all.  and NATO will not
    even exist.


    This is all the problem with Russia economy . Is not that their business are wrong.
    Is not that they need to increase the RICE production , Is not Kudrin ,Is not
    that needs to sell more potatoes. because americans can hit anything they want and send
    to the button the prices of anything ,just to damage Russia economy.

    Is not that they need to sell more gas or Oil.. Notice how Americans Collapsed the prices of OIL to sabotage Russia economy . Is not that Russia needs to move to ASIA ,which also plays in the american world.  Is that Russia Plays in the American world ,but do very little ,to be seen as a potential alternative to American Business . Is an influence problem. what Russia have.
    Where Americans influence even Russian society with its business. But Russia influence in Nothing the american society or the European one.. with the only exception of a business
    that Putin is reducing is budget by 30%.   Rolling Eyes

    So Putin complain and complain every week about missile shield ,every week about NATO.
    every week about sanctions . complaining that Europe is following American leadership and is ignoring Russia. why would europe do that? it is because american get a gun and point to their faces? no. .it is because Russia is not seen as an alternative to United States. Russia does not lead.  does not offer a roadmap for Europe to follow. Simply Russia does not lead ,and Americans do it.  Russia cannot even get any of its allies to help them in Syria. So is a leadership problem. no more and no less. Russia have some leadership ,only because of its powerful military, and its competitiveness in space ,but is not enough to convince
    Europe to create an alliance with Russia and not follow NATO or United States.


    Have not seen the polls for your popularity, but the polls for Putin suggest that most Russians are happy with his choices... and I think that is what matters.

    Sure this is were Putin have been effective. In Ratings , but is not about Russians ,where Putin needs to work .. is about the west. where Russia popularity is low ,why the west? and not east? go back to #1. Because Russia *follows* the american world ,the american rules , and not
    on its own world. then it needs to compete there ,in the american world. and the easier way to defeat americans is by luring Europeans closer to Russia. but the only way Russia can do that is with Spectacular very popular Business.


    So by competing in American world , Russia is vulnerable to American Rules ,American cheats , American sanctions , etc. And American Humilliation. if Russia do not want to compete with americans. then it needs to move away , and create its own world. Nationalize its bank ,no longer use dollar or Euros ,creates its own internet.. etc. And build an alliance that can live without American business and without they nations American business controls.

    If Russia was as good in civilian business ,as it is on its defense industry is in military technology  , Then none of this economic problems will be happening. because Europe will not be following Americans.. but Russia ,creating a new Russian world , abandoning the american world model.  Americans and Europe will be fighting to get the exclusivity of the business with Russia. And Russia will stop following Amerians and will start leading in the world ,creating a new Russian world.

    I can summarize this in simply terms , by saying.

    Countries in this planet ,can do only 3 things.. It can lead , it can follow or it can be north korea.
    That is to be completely isolated from the world. But it is possible to Lead inside the American
    world.. or to Lead outside of the American world. But Russia is leading in none. BRICS was a good step in the right direction. to start leading.but as long Putin allows Americans to steal the show in Business in the world and only focus in easy ,low risk business like energy and agriculture ,then BRICS have no chance to take off ,because their influence in the world will be very poor. Look how easy Americans weaken BRICS by taking down Dilma in brazil and replacing her with a PRO AMERICAN puppet. That will leave Russia only with 2 nations China and India and the only solid powers and they themselves are influenced a LOT by American business.  lol1


    So Russia is choosing to follow the American world. To follow American Banking system , To Follow American International Rules , Rules that Americans and their friends are not bound to follow , but that Russia is bound. And later Putin Complains the west does not listen Russia or take Russia seriously.. when he dont see , His own policies in how he develops Russia are the one to blame for that , for not creating as you say Gary. "His own way" , just like Soviet Union tried to do at least.. but forgot about the human rights part.  

    So because Russia follows to play in the American way, and not Russian way , and seek to participate in the American Banking System , with American controlled international rules and american controlled internet.  Then Russia will continue being a shadow of the Americans
    in the world and a nation disrespected by the west.
    ,and will face economic sanction and economic problems ,if continues to stay in the comfort waters of doing easy low risk  Business ,and allow Americans to continue stealing the show and lead the development in the world in Business and refuse to counter or at least offer a decent alternative to Americans most popular business in the world.


     IF Russia refuse to be leader in the civilian Business in the world, like Japan,Germany,South Korea are in many things. then it will face serious problems of being its interest respected in the world. Because Europe is not going to risk ,its business with Americans that leads.. for the business of Russia and the so called "Asian Pivot" is not going to solve this. Because Asia follows the American business world too.


    So Russia economic problems ,what they are really telling Russia.. is that Russia needs to lead. and need to stop depending on the west. that Russia needs to be truly Independent.
    Not only independent in military ,but also independent too in technology and entertainment too.
    and why technology and entertainment are so important? because are the business that more
    influence society in the world. much more than selling apples or coconuts. Laughing

    In an ideal world ,were all nations respect each other , any business will be good ,it will not matter. but we dont live in that world. we live in a world where leaders take it all ,and followers
    its interest are not respected.

    The Largest Engineering company in Europe , in transportation ,technology for scientific industries,hospitals ,and generation of electricity --Germany Siemens , Told that Russia needs an Industrial Revolution. and they are 100% correct.  Im sure Europe will be more than happy
    to help Russia ,to create that. in order for them to be free again ,from the American dictatorship.

    So Putins vision of Russia is wrong. Russia needs an industrial revolution. and not to sell
    more energy or more organic food in the world. and not to be better in sports.

    . Russia needs to become a decent ,alternative to United States. And it doesn't need to do it alone. it could create an technology alliance with China ,India do achieve that.. See?  and it will receive a LOT of help from Europe too and Russia have good relations with Japan ,so it will be
    an spectacular alliance.  In fact Russia could try to pull Japan into BRICS and replace brazil. and create a technology united business alliance withing that organization. So alternatives there are.
    it just the lack of vision of Putin's of what it needs to do to counter Americans ,what's makes more difficult things for Russia development in the world.

    as long Putin ,continues to allow American business to win the hearts of Europeans
    and Russian citizens.. then Russia government will continue being disrespected its interest
    in the world. Will continue to see Euromaidans at its borders or in Russia. will continue to see
    Europe to ignore Russia interest. and with economic warfare from the west. and speaking
    about 5th column and traitors. is a problem of Influence .  Russia try to pulls Europe away
    of the american world ,to stop them following NATO and American policies , but have nothing
    attractive enough to offer back to Europe in change .

    But.. is not all lost.. Americans leaders are doing terrible mistakes too.. So there is hope.
    But it shouldn't be that way. The future of Russia ,should not depend on the mistakes of American leaders policies , or what could be called LUCK. Russia can do better if took very seriously the competition with Americans most popular business.


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