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    Re: Talking bollocks thread

    Post  GarryB on Mon Jun 13, 2016 10:25 am


    If you bothered to pay attention you would know it's not his text, he was just quoting the article.

    I understand he was quoting the article he was linking.

    What I don't understand is why he is defending posting a quote about the Russian air force murdering civilians in Syria and losing dozens of aircraft in the process on a thread about the PAK FA.

    And when Mustafa was posting 2 full treads of racist and jihadist bullshit he was able to do so without any complaints from mods for nearly a month before Vlad (the administrator) banned him.

    And when he posted crap he was told he was posting crap... eventually he stepped over the line and was banned. Militarov is saying he is leaving... the fact that he is saying he is leaving suggests to me that he has not been banned.

    The only pain he has suffered here is being asked why he posted such a crap article... an article Zivo took apart very succinctly a few posts above...

    He is still not banned.

    If he chooses to leave, that is his decision.

    That happens, when actual trolls are left alone just so the mods are not seen as ban happy goons while actual contributors to this forum are more and more pissed off and are posting less and less since the threads are either attacked or the entire niveau is dragged down by the clowns and the inactive, reputation worrying mods.

    I could give a shit about my reputation... it is not something I can control.

    I ban when people repeatedly break the rules... it takes a lot to get a ban from me... most of the time a discussion is all that is needed to sort out the problem.

    Nobody has been banned to my knowledge even though Mil asked me to ban him.

    Get your heads out of your arses. I do not say this to annoy or piss you off just to give you a little point of view from year long members of this forum that sees this forum being infiltrated by trolls since the closure of mp.net and you mods do not do your job.

    Show me specific examples of rule breaking and I will act. Otherwise it is not an issue for a mod... more likely an issue for marriage councillor.

    Keep your personal reputation above forum reputation and you will find yourself being mods of a dump while actual contributors are going some places else.

    I can just enforce the rules and post my own opinion.

    If there's someone you dislike, go to "profile" > "Friends and foes" and block the offender.

    IF only I could...

    FFS do you lads understand that you're not forced to like what we post as long as it is factual and accompanied with a disclaimer?

    FFS Militarov posted a stupid article... he was no executed, he was not banned... he was told he posted a stupid flame bait article and went apeshit.

    Members can post any bullshit opinion they like but should expect other members to respond with their opinions.

    You know what I'm about to get involved. Recently Garry pointed out that there were no Russians in Ukraine.

    Give me a list of all the Russian units currently on strength with the Russian Armed forces and please list those that were in the Ukraine.

    2. We have seen both credible evidence and credible aftermath of Russian presence in Ukraine. And nope we're not talking BellingCat bullshit, just freaking MSTA-S crossing the freaking border from Ukraine to Russia with tactical ID still on.

    Maybe they went looking for where all those shells that landed in Russian territory were coming from?

    3. There's enough resources to prove and verify, RF MoD has been involved in shipping and forming Donbass militia. Both in Ukraine and Russia. We also know the process of intervention (including weapons and ammo that were delivered in August to "Nothern Wind" and signed by the NCO of tank platoon. NCO that even posted pictures of him and his men rolling IN Donbass.

    There are plenty of photos of NATO and US forces in the Ukraine providing equipment and training... the real question is when.

    It was so sarcastic that I pointed out that the author of that shitty piece was an utter tool and your casual "useful idiot".

    So if it was sarcastic, why did he object to criticism for posting it?

    And this is the truth, Russian troops were in Ukraine supporting the DPR/LPR. But that doesn't mean it is not justified, if the US is supporting well known terrorist rats in Syria, Russia has the right to support a rebellion comprised of its own people.

    Russian forces in the Ukraine is a lie the Ukrainians use to try to get support and sympathy from the EU and US... and when dickheads support that view it only makes wankers in kiev look more legitimate.

    There are no Russian federation forces in the Ukraine.

    Personally, I'd have zero issues having an open retaking of Ukraine (or whatever is left of it). But that option was out of question.

    Personally I would say to those in the Ukraine, if you want to come and live in Russia then move now and we will give you land in Russia... well away from international borders where you can live in peace as Russians... if you try to get autonomy or independence we will deport you back to the shithole that is the Ukraine... you have a year to decide and then we are considering the Russia Ukraine border a border with a future NATO country that will be sealed.

    Make your choice.



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    Re: Talking bollocks thread

    Post  KoTeMoRe on Mon Jun 13, 2016 10:56 am

    The knee-jerk reaction from some members is abysmal. He posted an 'it's so bad it's good' article with a clear sarcastic underlining. it wasn't the first time this has happened. I myself have been posting worse, for s*** and giggles.

    Slight

    As for "the Ukraine issue". You have had elements of the 98th and 234th VDV which have been in Ukraine as part of the JCCC. IS this going to be enough Russians in Ukraine.
    You also have people that have brought Aistinyok CBR that were ID's by VK as people from the 234th and they had images of how they transported the whole system. Funny thing, they packed it on ATV's in August.
    You have serial numbers of active Russian troops being being photographed on rifles by the guys them selves, in Donetsk. If there's one thing that doesn't need explanation it is the fact that a Russian soldier doesn't give his registered weapon to someone else. In stark contrast with most rifles in Ukraine that were marked for armory storage, the issued rifles have various id means (including in the case of one SVD-S the freaking V-number of the razvedchik) which entail among others the holdover data for the rifle (taped on receiver, upper handguard).

    The rest of this discussion is quite funny but my point has nothing to do with Ukraine, Sapienti Sat and we don't need to prove what we say to people who are hell bent on believing the "official" version. It's one of those insider things. It makes me smile, feel all warm inside knowing that Mordor does stuff no one will ever know exactly, until they got a 125mm barrel stuck up their rear.

    He objected to what is now a freaking party line. Don't do this, don't do that. Hell that's the thing that will get anyone flak. I don't react when I see stupid/biaised things posted. I don't react when I read some freaking non-sense about making Turkey implode, I don't react when people advocate to give weapons to people whose nationalism is only compared to the people they fight in the margin of Turkish territory.

    I hear Tochka this, Iskander that...that doesn't affect my capacity to enjoy this sight, although it really gets tiresome to have that kind of rinse and repeat. If I'm this tolerant at my old age (and believe me I don't want to put up with this crap anymore that those who complain about a paid shit poster in a propaganda outlet, that has less readers than I have had women, and that's really bad btw) why can't some people not just move along. There are people who will take steps to prove or disprove shit posting. However in Mil's case you can't exactly try and tie him down to that. I mean we had Dfarce post crap here he never got flak from upstairs from that, although he was doing that on purpose.

    Now the rest is just we being polite to eachother.

    All I want to say is that we're on the same side, we shouldn't start slugging it out like there was an infestation of traitors in the hen coop.
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    Re: Talking bollocks thread

    Post  VladimirSahin on Mon Jun 13, 2016 11:11 am

    GarryB,
    Obviously the war started off as a rebellion on its own, at this point Russia didn't support this armed rebellion, how ever slowly after the Ukrainian government sloppily murdered people in the east and denied them rights, and discriminated against them, Russia armed and trained them. Once that wasn't working (obviously Ukraine has a way large armed forces and more equipment then the rebels) it is apparent that Russia for a short period deployed atleast a few battalions to f*ck up the Ukrainian offensives, and counter attacked. How ever claims of the DPR/LPR being Russian started is total bullsh*t.

    30,000 troops in the DPR/LPR you're telling me these numbers are majority Russian citizens or Russian army? Of course not. How ever, apparent from LPR troops in llovaisk posing on a T-90 near the air port(this is one piece of evidence). Russian armored battalion tactical groups or motor battalion groups have been deployed. I doubt the 12,000 or 8,000 numbers given, but it is obvious battalions have been deployed. This does not make the Ukrainian cause right at all, nor justify them. They have an illegal government formed by f*cktards. Now they're busy licking NATO as*. Russian special forces are actively training and advising troops. How ever as you can see in this minsk 2 ceasefire, the Ukrainian cyborgs are shelling DPR/LPR and OSCE assh*ats are barely reporting it. While Ukraine's government gets credit when our DPR/LPR boys return fire in way less intensity. Anyways, I hope Poroshenko sends his troops for ATO part 3: The Finale. Where DPR/LPR extend its borders a few hundred KMs westwards.
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    Re: Talking bollocks thread

    Post  GarryB on Mon Jun 13, 2016 12:03 pm

    The knee-jerk reaction from some members is abysmal. He posted an 'it's so bad it's good' article with a clear sarcastic underlining. it wasn't the first time this has happened. I myself have been posting worse, for s*** and giggles.

    There is a humour thread if he thought it was supposed to be amusing.

    If it was supposed to be so wrong it is funny, why did he respond the way he did... why not laugh it off?

    As for "the Ukraine issue". You have had elements of the 98th and 234th VDV which have been in Ukraine as part of the JCCC. IS this going to be enough Russians in Ukraine.

    Oh dear god... you are joking right?

    The SMM has been monitoring the creation and work of the Joint Centre for Control and Co-ordination (JCCC), established by the Ministry of Defence of Ukraine in co-operation with military representatives of the Russian Federation. The SMM hopes that the JCCC will help to establish an effective and durable ceasefire and put an end to the armed confrontation in eastern Ukraine.

    Perhaps the presence of VDV peacekeepers in South Ossetia and Abkhazia means the georgian attack on the former was fully justified?

    You have serial numbers of active Russian troops being being photographed on rifles by the guys them selves, in Donetsk. If there's one thing that doesn't need explanation it is the fact that a Russian soldier doesn't give his registered weapon to someone else. In stark contrast with most rifles in Ukraine that were marked for armory storage, the issued rifles have various id means (including in the case of one SVD-S the freaking V-number of the razvedchik) which entail among others the holdover data for the rifle (taped on receiver, upper handguard).

    Russian soldiers going AWOL with weapons means nothing... there were plenty of other non locals there too including French and other nationalities... can we claim the ilegal forces from Kiev are being attacked by the entire EU?

    I mean we had Dfarce post crap here he never got flak from upstairs from that, although he was doing that on purpose.

    Some members post crap all the time... and because of that no one really pays attention to what they post. When a more respected member posts shit and then complains because some members object to that sort of rubbish then I notice. I didn't read the article he linked to, I just read the quote he posted and thought if that was an example of the quality of the article he was linking to I didn't want to know anything else about the article but what I did want to know was why he thought posting that on a sensible thread was a good idea... and why he thought defending posting that shit on a sensible thread was a good idea too.

    I though I was clear about that in my replies... I said if other respected members had posted such dribble I would have responded the same... the difference is that I suspect other respected members would have not gone apeshit and defended such a stupid thing to the point of threatening to leave the forum.

    The Finale. Where DPR/LPR extend its borders a few hundred KMs westwards.

    Personally I think Russia should offer sanctuary to those who want to leave and then build a wall and let them fight each other. Anything comes over the wall its source will be located and destroyed.

    I am glad we are all keeping on topic in this thread.... if you know what I mean Twisted Evil


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    Re: Talking bollocks thread

    Post  VladimirSahin on Mon Jun 13, 2016 12:23 pm

    I almost forgot we could talk bollocks here, well then let me de-charge my rage in a quick rant.

    Why is it that westerners' countries fu*king arm terrorists world wide and they are considered angels, but when Russia supports a people who have been obviously targeted by discrimination and weapons of large calibers Russia is fu*king bad? Sure the same could be argued for about the Syrian rebels, how ever most of these rebels are mostly fu*king terrorists from other nations. And how the f*ck can the US build a base on YPG which is literally like a Kosovo just YPG isn't fighting the government. Also, how the f*ck are westerners looking at what happened in Kiev as fucking legal? God damn Ukropi people who decided that EU will save them look what happened? Where is the EU now? Anyways I hope that Kiev's government is f*cking torn to pieces in the coming years.

    I also hope that these sanctions reverse and go straight up the nations who imposed them. Russia will survive, and the worst of the sanctions are over, and no matter what Russia will always support DPR/LPR Twisted Evil and Crimea will always be Russian. I hope this was the appropriate thread to post such a rant, but I'm sick of westerners being able to bash Russia on forums and get away with it. yes sir
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    Re: Talking bollocks thread

    Post  max steel on Thu Jun 30, 2016 4:30 pm

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    Re: Talking bollocks thread

    Post  Vann7 on Tue Jul 05, 2016 9:02 pm

    @GunshipDemocracy

    This is very simple .. just tell me where does you money goes whenever you have opportunity
    to buy something you want? and from all the things you have in your house.. Name me one
    that was made -designed by Russia?   No


    take a look at the things i got ,with hard earned money.


    South Korea

    similar display than this. from LG






    Japan..

    http://www.flatpanelshd.com/pictures/sonybdps5100-1l.jpg
    https://images-na.ssl-images-amazon.com/images/I/61UC0EnXgSL._SL1200_.jpg

    https://cnet2.cbsistatic.com/hub/i/r/2013/11/11/b8024faa-67c2-11e3-a665-14feb5ca9861/thumbnail/770x433/9950a2a4963556720727f9c8dde65f20/Sony_PS4_35618167_01.jpg

    America

    http://www.kitchencabinetsandbeyond.com

    http://static3.gamespot.com/uploads/scale_super/1179/11799911/2921921-halo5.jpg

    https://s2.bukalapak.com/img/1/5/6/5/3/5/1/8/2/medium/67757_60ec2104-5fe8-417e-ae34-a9240c76683d.jpg


    http://static1.gamespot.com/uploads/screen_kubrick/1365/13658182/3063768-nvidiageforcegtx1080_review_promo_20160516.jpg


    If you want clothing ,or music ? or movies ?which country will get your money?

    The countries that gets your money , are countries that influence you.


    how about restaurants ..? which are your favorite restaurants? i bet none of them
    are Russian.

    Ukrainians really love American culture.. Entertainment CREATES Culture.

    how they influenced.?



    then lets see how Russia influence ukrainians and the world..

    Then How Russia influence the world?  Neutral
    definitively not with this.



    neither with this..

    http://www.russiawanderer.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/04/russian-dance.jpg

    When people talk about the Russian culture , talks in reality about the past.
    So what is wrong with the present ? Why not create a new culture?

    neither this.


    neither this .. (only creates nationalism and nothing else and ignored quick by the world)




    Russia major problem is that the things Putin really likes ,to promote
    from Russia to the world..





    that the average society don't really care.
    Because it give them NOTHING ,they can use or benefit from it.



    Putin have tried to sell Russia image in the world , around selling cheap energy and materials.
    and around its traditional family values (which is not bad as long is the only thing you offer)
    and around is glorious soviet past ,and Russian empire past.  Rolling Eyes

    and in the things that it really can make a major difference ,because
    already have those capabilities.. ie.. SPACE.. is not taking it seriously and is
    happy to be taxi to the ISS and allows americans to steal the show with its
    mars and jupiter probe mission.   lol1  

    And totally ignoring ,the way Americans Business influence the world.

    When a country as tiny as South Korea is seen as more developed than Russia , then there have to be something really really wrong with the economic model / business in Russia.

    Putin since came to power.. all he have been doing is trying to Lead in Energy
    ,create a monopoly of oil and gas ,and rare materials. Things that while is good for money,
    is not that good for nation world wide influence.  and promote nationalism
    based on soviet victory , No Why not promote nationalism based on Russia present?
    Now the Dinosaur president ,wants to make Russia the world leading exporter
    of healthy food.  



    is like he live in another planet and not aware of the world he live. A world where technology
    and entertainment and space exploration takes all the bells and whistles and but not ignoring
    the human rights and freedom. the last one being the only reasons Americans losing influence

    While Putin promotes the soviet good days, the soviet culture. Culture = Entertainment habits.
    The Russian young generation promotes the western culture. Laughing



    And how can anyone blame them? I can understand the worship of American/japanese culture.
    Because is a modern culture ,that live In the PRESENT ,and not in the past . Is even
    interesting to notice how American Entertainment industry ,is constantly shaping the culture of the nation .While Russia continue singing its Katyuska soviet song. Rolling Eyes American culture (and japanese/european) dominate the Ukrainians and RUssians with their entertainment.



    Russia is not going to promote being taken seriously in the world , by being the major exporter of healthy food. or by being #1 country in sports.  what are they thinking?  Neutral

    Only things like this..  LEADING!!!




    or this..




    and this ...



    is what will help Russia become a respected nation in the world again, and start attracting
    nations to become closer to Russia. and the most unthinkable thing will happen. Sanctions
    will end. Because Americans will see ,for the first time , it really needs Russia.   Wink
    and that it could benefit enormously by making an alliance with a nation that leads and
    dominates in space.


    If Russia leads again in Space ,as soviets did . Being FIRST again,
    The entire world will be so happy celebrating the success of Russia leading in space,
    that it will be IMPOSSIBLE for americans to continue with its Russia aggression rhetoric
    and they will have to back down in their cold war. and recognize Russia have a place
    in the world.   russia


    and this is when a LOT of European nations will want to be part of the Russia
    economic block. and this is when Russia will be incredibly filthy rich with business
    offers ,advertisements in the moon ,tourism in the moon. American companies will be fighting
    with European ones for business with Russia in space..  Cool

    this is when Russia economy will sky rocket ,and then Then Ukrainians will no longer want to be part of the Euro ,but will REVERSE their preference and "will feel more Russian"    lol1
    after evaluating things again. When Russia becomes a powerful economy with powerful business ,leading power in space and technology again.


    if Russia manage to compete seriously against Microsoft, Intel ,Apple or nvidia ,then
    the whole thing will change , and no longer Americans leadership will be need in the world.
    and many European countries will join Russia lead.  

    Is all about leading where it counts. in technology , or in space technology or in entertainment technology.  Sports what a waste of money. It does not produce anything new . is good to have it. but spending too much money on it so much is a waste. Sochi for example could have been better dedicated to enertainment theme parks instead and not sport Olympics. as Orlando Disney in America and even attract even more tourist with the huge money invested.


    had Russia was a very influential nation in the world in Business that society love,technology and space. Russia will not even have a need to have a single nuke at all. just like Japan does not need nukes and does not need to win in sports to be recognized as a leader. This is because their business alone , will be so powerful and attractive , that it will be impossible for any American or western Government to sanctions it.  Just exactly as it will be impossible to sanction Japan Entertainment business in the world. That have become almost a World wide culture for young generations of society.  Shocked  Wink



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    Re: Talking bollocks thread

    Post  sepheronx on Tue Jul 05, 2016 11:26 pm

    Such a shame that incompetent people in knowledge of economy like Vann rely on stupidity on concept of superficial things he sees around him, like TV sets. He doesn't realize though that the laser used in disk readers were designed in Soviet Union. He also fails to acknowledge that most we use today in chemistry to make all that stuff comes from Russia (periodic table as example). Or he also fails to see how Russia's contribution to space development for US and EU in everything from rockets to rovers to satellites have many Russian subcomponents.

    Whatever, I am done with this forums as well I think. It is beyond me why we allow such people to flood the forums, degrading it with incoherent rants. I will stick around to read but I don't think I will contribute anymore.
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    Re: Talking bollocks thread

    Post  PapaDragon on Tue Jul 05, 2016 11:39 pm

    sepheronx wrote:...................

    Whatever, I am done with this forums as well I think.  It is beyond me why we allow such people to flood the forums, degrading it with incoherent rants.  I will stick around to read but I don't think I will contribute anymore.

    Agreed, this place has turned to crap long ago. Trolls flood the place with trash which convinces both frequent users and casual lurkers to avoid this forum but mods just ignore and support them.

    I am done too. I will be keeping account for the sake of ignore function but I have finished with wasting my time posting content here.

    Enjoy Ultron's company and his intelligent contributions.

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    Re: Talking bollocks thread

    Post  Vann7 on Wed Jul 06, 2016 12:15 am

    sepheronx wrote:Such a shame that incompetent people in knowledge of economy like Vann rely on stupidity on concept of superficial things he sees around him, like TV sets.  He doesn't realize though that the laser used in disk readers were designed in Soviet Union.  He also fails to acknowledge that most we use today in chemistry to make all that stuff comes from Russia (periodic table as example).  Or he also fails to see how Russia's contribution to space development for US and EU in everything from rockets to rovers to satellites have many Russian subcomponents.

    Whatever, I am done with this forums as well I think.  It is beyond me why we allow such people to flood the forums, degrading it with incoherent rants.  I will stick around to read but I don't think I will contribute anymore.


    @Seph..

    It doesn't matter who did what first, are you kidding me? What does that have to do with
    business? Im not discussing who have the biggest brains.. Russia have incredibly ,talented
    scientist and engineers. The problem is the Mediocre Government ,that focus largely the model of its economy around business that will not help Russia in  way ,to become influential nation in the world. and its interest respected by Europe. specially in Ukraine. ^^

    Please explain me Seph.. What have caused the economic problems of Russia?
    the recession it face today ?  does it was because Russian business were bad? NO.
    Russia economic problems today , is consequence of economic war of the americans.
    And it is the lack of Leadership ,the lack of Russia business influence over Europe and the world, what allows Americans to hit Russia the way it does.  Americans tells Europe to pick which side
    they want to follow ,and Russia is not chosen. obviously because it doesn't have anything
    to replace americans business. Nothing to replace American internet. Nothing to replace Microsoft,Intel or Apple , nothing to replace American entertainment industry.

    It doesn't matter Seph who manufacture anything ,what matters is which company designed it ,that dominates and LEADS.who Controls what. and who follows.
    Europe follows American business, business leads politics ,it leads everything. Russia follows American Business. otherwise will nationalize its bank and stop using dollars.

    then how in hell you expect Russia economy to take off ever ,if its business does not compete with the american ones and leads ,and does not offers an alternative to the american business?   

    You can be discussing all day , central bank this ,central bank that , 5th column this or that ,
    "Traitors" here or there. but thats only looking at the superficial things. all that is irrelevant.
    In the end people are owners of their actions , and people only follow what they consider the
    the best. What is leading.

    As long Russian people are influenced by American culture
    Russian business influenced by American ones , and  russian bank follower of the americans banks ,then Russia will continue with more and more economic problems. because the LEADER  AMericans above them will sabotage any progress of Russia economy. more and more sanctions Russia will get. then all your magic economic formulas will go to the toilet. Because do not
    see there is a war of Influence ,what is really happening in the world between Americans
    and Russia ,and Russia not doing well.

    Putin wants to be #1 exporter of organic food? in what way all that will matter if american later  lure away any Russian clients through blackmail?   Neutral

    Now Russia defense industry is under American sanctions too..
    So any country who buys Russian weapons will be subject to Americans retaliation.
    Only Major nations like China or India and few others will be able to disobey.
      

    Is an influence problem Seph. Americans pull Europe away of Russia and Russia pulls
    Europe back but with a clear domination of Americans.  and US use its business and economic
    dominance to make Europe do anything they want. But none of this problems will exist ,had Russia focused in creating business that competes with American ones. as well as Russia do in
    space. because that will allow European nations to move away and join the Russian economic block including Ukraine. If they had a real alternative to many of American business.
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    Re: Talking bollocks thread

    Post  Project Canada on Wed Jul 06, 2016 3:08 am

    PapaDragon wrote:
    sepheronx wrote:...................

    Whatever, I am done with this forums as well I think.  It is beyond me why we allow such people to flood the forums, degrading it with incoherent rants.  I will stick around to read but I don't think I will contribute anymore.

    Agreed, this place has turned to crap long ago. Trolls flood the place with trash which convinces both frequent users and casual lurkers to avoid this forum but mods just ignore and support them.

    I am done too. I will be keeping account for the sake of ignore function but I have finished with wasting my time posting content here.

    Enjoy Ultron's company and his intelligent contributions.  

    Adios!

    What if they are part of CIA's troll army to degrade Russian forums on the net to unintelligible shthole it is now (thanks to them) and discourage people from participating? Their attempts are pretty obvious. Anyways I have my own plan to strike back at the United Snakes of A. Hint: focus on the offense. A little anti american propaganda here and there wouldn't cost you guys a lot of your spare time. Stir up people's anger towards America etc. I am already boycotting American products for as much as I can, with every opportunity.
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    Re: Talking bollocks thread

    Post  GunshipDemocracy on Wed Jul 06, 2016 3:37 am

    sepheronx wrote: Whatever, I am done with this forums as well I think.  It is beyond me why we allow such people to flood the forums, degrading it with incoherent rants.  I will stick around to read but I don't think I will contribute anymore.

    Sorry to hear that Seph, appreciated your contribution anyway and hope you reconsider your decision  Smile

    As for Vann he is well kinda of childish living in fantasy world where everything is black and white but IMHO he is no troll jut to young to understand.



    PapaDragon wrote: Agreed, this place has turned to crap long ago. Trolls flood the place with trash which convinces both frequent users and casual lurkers to avoid this forum but mods just ignore and support them.

    I am done too. I will be keeping account for the sake of ignore function but I have finished with wasting my time posting content here.

    Enjoy Ultron's company and his intelligent contributions.  

    Adios!

    oh no not you again! damn you guys, worthy contributors should not leave

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    Re: Talking bollocks thread

    Post  Vann7 on Wed Jul 06, 2016 5:35 am

    seph got mad , because he thinks , i downgraded Russia technological and scientific
    and business potential capabilities in any way shape or form. and thats not correct.
    Im really convinced Russia can do as well in many other technology business and it can do
    in space.  My only complain is with Putin's Policies , that Russia have a Huge , potential and the government does not take advantage of it. Putin waste the money of Russian citizens in pensions , in sports , in maintain a very large soviet navy ,and cut the funding in the most important things in were Russia can truly make a difference in business in the world.    

    How i cannot get upset , when Russia spend $62 billions in sports alone  , but then go give $2billions a year to its space program and be happy with that. and now Russian banned from sports but when it comes to space or any high tech business , Putin goes and goes
    very cheap .  then Go and a makes a deal with China to build a $250 billions super train .   Suspect    but then at the same time cut space budget by 30%.   cry   then later give away
    $1billion to pensioners that not even live in Russia.

    Then announce a new super nuke train to "protect Russia" from an american attack.

    Am i not reasonable to see upset about this  ?  Is this is trolling?    Neutral    

    Then later Putin complains that the west does not takes Russia seriously , and i see clearly
    what Putin is doing wrong. Is simply not leading in the world in the business that really matters.
    Is not stealing the show. Not competing with Americans in their best business.  Putin loves to compete with Americans in sports..  But What's wrong to compete with americans best business too ? Whats so bad about it?  Putin needs to wait for sanctions to happen in 2014 to start replacing american IT technology in Russia.  He is like an decade late.  Neutral  But still just very timid with that.very limited the investments of Russia in IT.  Sports investments is like 50x times higher. of what Russia spend in IT.

    The key of Russia to stop American Imperialism and even end NATO ,is to counter
    American top business ,at least compete just like Japan does. But Putin cannot do that with words alone. it needs to create Top quality Business (technology and entertainment) that represent an alternative to the American Business. at the same Start experimenting with a new Swift ,new internet ,new economic model not using dollars .Create conditions for an easier transition from the American world ,once their economy collapse. So  Russia becomes a Real Alternative to American IT business and Entertainment and more than anything Russia needs to takes the lead again in Space.

      If Putin just stay happy with easy to run ,low risk business , like Oil and Gas ,and agriculture , and allow Americans to continue leading in the most popular business , then it will be a matter of time Americans will manage to isolate Russia from the western world completely.and even provoke revolution in Russia ,just like Euromaidans. when Russia economy gets very bad. they can do that easily By creating more problems and conflicts near Russian borders as they did in Ukraine and Georgia and Syria ,or countries Russia have interest and disconnecting all Russian business from Europe.

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    Re: Talking bollocks thread

    Post  OminousSpudd on Wed Jul 06, 2016 8:32 pm

    GunshipDemocracy wrote:
    sepheronx wrote: Whatever, I am done with this forums as well I think.  It is beyond me why we allow such people to flood the forums, degrading it with incoherent rants.  I will stick around to read but I don't think I will contribute anymore.

    Sorry to hear that Seph, appreciated your contribution anyway and hope you reconsider your decision  Smile

    As for Vann he is well kinda of childish living in fantasy world where everything is black and white but IMHO he is no troll jut to young to understand.



    PapaDragon wrote: Agreed, this place has turned to crap long ago. Trolls flood the place with trash which convinces both frequent users and casual lurkers to avoid this forum but mods just ignore and support them.

    I am done too. I will be keeping account for the sake of ignore function but I have finished with wasting my time posting content here.

    Enjoy Ultron's company and his intelligent contributions.  

    Adios!

    oh no not you again! damn you guys, worthy contributors should not leave

    Damn... It's sad but true. Mods have ignored the trolls, while punishing legitimate posters, every bloody thread is broken up by ignored posts now.
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    Re: Talking bollocks thread

    Post  Werewolf on Wed Jul 06, 2016 9:09 pm

    That is why i haven't posted much like half a year or more now. Mods and Vlad maybe think about it or see it dying your choice and you know it. Over a year i have complaint about double accounts by trolls even the forum rules by Vlad stated it is prohibited aswell voting system was abused by such double accounts but still no action against the abusers. Your own fault when it dies, not ours. Have better things to do then waste my time being flooded by trolls which purpose is soley to let it die since their little rats ship mp.net sunk. They are a cancer, cut it out or die!
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    Re: Talking bollocks thread

    Post  higurashihougi on Thu Jul 07, 2016 4:04 am

    @Garry, @Vlad: I think there is a serious problem here, would you mind giving your opinion ?
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    Re: Talking bollocks thread

    Post  GarryB on Fri Jul 08, 2016 5:01 am

    I could say everyone with a view contrary to mine is a troll... if I ban everyone who does not agree with me then we end up with a forum of yes men, where I post my opinion and everyone agrees.

    I don't like arguments... the old saying of arguing with an idiot on the internet is a waste of time... they drag you down to their level and beat you with experience.

    I am annoyed at people who blame everything on Putin, but then there are people who blame everything on the US or the Jews or aliens or Muslims. I can't stop ignorance, no matter how much I ban.

    As shown by an obvious return idiot, do we keep banning over and over as they keep returning with different usernames?

    IP bans are not the answer as you can just unplug your router and then plug back in as most companies have a range of IP addresses that are assigned dynamically, so when they reconnect they will be allocated a new IP address.


    Damn... It's sad but true. Mods have ignored the trolls, while punishing legitimate posters, every bloody thread is broken up by ignored posts now.

    I object to that comment Spudd... what legitimate or illegitimate posters have been punished by a mod?


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    Re: Talking bollocks thread

    Post  Vann7 on Fri Jul 08, 2016 11:24 am

    GarryB wrote:I could say everyone with a view contrary to mine is a troll... if I ban everyone who does not agree with me then we end up with a forum of yes men, where I post my opinion and everyone agrees.

    I don't like arguments... the old saying of arguing with an idiot on the internet is a waste of time... they drag you down to their level and beat you with experience.

    I am annoyed at people who blame everything on Putin, but then there are people who blame everything on the US or the Jews or aliens or Muslims.  I can't stop ignorance, no matter how much I ban.

    As shown by an obvious return idiot, do we keep banning over and over as they keep returning with different usernames?

    IP bans are not the answer as you can just unplug your router and then plug back in as most companies have a range of IP addresses that are assigned dynamically, so when they reconnect they will be allocated a new IP address.


    Damn... It's sad but true. Mods have ignored the trolls, while punishing legitimate posters, every bloody thread is broken up by ignored posts now.

    I object to that comment Spudd... what legitimate or illegitimate posters have been punished by a mod?


    I have disagree many times with Garry in the past.. and still does.. Smile in many strategy
    issues of Russia military.. ie.. Like the way Pak-DA should be. etc. But i never for a single
    moment though it was not valuable Garry contributions to the forum. he knows a lot of
    military stuff and learn alot.. Seph i think he got mad , because he believed i was downplaying Russia capabilities in technology as no idea how he got that impression.
    Since i my only complain is Putin internal Policies with Russia economy. how he waste so much money in things i feel Russia dont need. The funny thing in all this is that i always appreciated
    Seph information about technology , he knows a lot of IT.. So he was too over sensitive when
    he joined the discussion. In any case i think he will return.. lol and all back to normal.
    Because he clearly missinterpreted what i told . Since im not expert in economy will leave this section to the people who are experts in the subjet. i just shared my view about How Russia
    waste money and how it creates the economic problem it gets.

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    Re: Talking bollocks thread

    Post  OminousSpudd on Fri Jul 08, 2016 12:31 pm

    GarryB wrote:I could say everyone with a view contrary to mine is a troll... if I ban everyone who does not agree with me then we end up with a forum of yes men, where I post my opinion and everyone agrees.

    I don't like arguments... the old saying of arguing with an idiot on the internet is a waste of time... they drag you down to their level and beat you with experience.

    I am annoyed at people who blame everything on Putin, but then there are people who blame everything on the US or the Jews or aliens or Muslims.  I can't stop ignorance, no matter how much I ban.

    As shown by an obvious return idiot, do we keep banning over and over as they keep returning with different usernames?

    IP bans are not the answer as you can just unplug your router and then plug back in as most companies have a range of IP addresses that are assigned dynamically, so when they reconnect they will be allocated a new IP address.


    Damn... It's sad but true. Mods have ignored the trolls, while punishing legitimate posters, every bloody thread is broken up by ignored posts now.

    I object to that comment Spudd... what legitimate or illegitimate posters have been punished by a mod?

    I apologize for the generalization, overall you have been fine (in my short time here, and my opinion) with the posters that have added to the forum. What or who I mainly meant was the blatant slamming of Militarov for that WiB article... It just seems like double standards when there are multiple people quoting sources with incorrect or propagandist fantasy, yet go largely ignored by admins, and I do not understand having different expectations for different people. At the end of the day, should we not all post to relatively the same standards, so as to keep the integrity of the forum? You stuck to your guns with Militarov even though he didn't even believe the article he had posted, unlike many of the other members here: Ultron and his crew of bot accounts, Vann7 occasionally, Solcenepek, Rmf etc. Militarov was otherwise a high quality poster, and although you never took physical action against his account, he decided that he was being treated poorly considering the circumstances (the surrounding aforementioned trolls), an opinion the majority of us were inclined to agree with (I know it's not a democracy, but there is often merit to someone's point if other well established and respected members are taking the same view).

    As an example, Rmf has been debunked numerous times by Big_Gazza and crew, yet he still believes the same tripe, and continues to clog up the threads with propaganda, I simply can not understand the tolerance towards these members, yet a seeming intolerance when valued contributors post "know your enemy" links.
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    Re: Talking bollocks thread

    Post  Rmf on Fri Jul 08, 2016 6:51 pm

    will you stop mentioning me in any context ,ever again. noob.
    i have 300ish posts 2 times less then you and yet your constant so called ""flood""b.s. is getting annoying.

    gaza didnt debunk anything , 0 proof , not 1 link from you so stop b.s. trolling....i actually destroyed him on many things.
    and i am reporting you for mobbing other users.
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    Re: Talking bollocks thread

    Post  jhelb on Fri Jul 08, 2016 7:32 pm

    PapaDragon wrote:
    Agreed, this place has turned to crap long ago. Trolls flood the place with trash which convinces both frequent users and casual lurkers to avoid this forum but mods just ignore and support them.

    I am done too. I will be keeping account for the sake of ignore function but I have finished with wasting my time posting content here.

    Enjoy Ultron's company and his intelligent contributions.  

    Adios!

    Plz give me the name of at least one forum that's devoid of trolls? These trolls are just a bunch of pathetic hack desperate for relevance.

    Why would you take a troll's obvious bait? Learn to ignore them. DO NOT reply to their posts. End of matter. Period.

    OminousSpudd wrote: I simply can not understand the tolerance towards these members, yet a seeming intolerance when valued contributors post "know your enemy" links.

    But that's the beauty of this forum my friend. If posters would have been banned for airing their views this forum would have been called mp.net or keys or F16.net.

    If you respond to these trolls & help them gain the attention that they desperately seek you are actually becoming an accessory to trolling.

    Ignore these fools, grow up. What do you think the "Ignore List" function of this forum is for?
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    Re: Talking bollocks thread

    Post  Werewolf on Fri Jul 08, 2016 10:43 pm

    Seriously are you guys stuck with your heads in your own arse and listening to your own shit or is your brain just dislocated from the rest of your heads?

    Nobody fucking gives a shit about people with opinion, people are fucking complaining about Trolls that are rampaging here with fucking DOZENS of fucking accounts and while mods/admin does not do jack shit despite having official forum rule for no double accounts you are just do not give a fuck about it. The consequence for not having consequences for forum abusers and forum rule breakers is they do what the fuck they want and you only encourage it by your shitty attitude like Garry said: "They will just make another account or reconnect to internet bla bla bloop". Fucking keep them banning untill they fucking get annoyed and quit for good.

    Use your brain for once or just see this turn to meaningless and then try to find another english speaking forum of russian equipment, good luck with that. Nobody says go ban everyone with different opinion you are just full of your own shit right now.
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    Re: Talking bollocks thread

    Post  OminousSpudd on Fri Jul 08, 2016 11:54 pm

    @Jhelb, Rmf.
    I wasn't even addressing anyone getting banned... I was asking for equal treatment. I wouldn't have thought that was so hard, maybe I am wrong.
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    Re: Talking bollocks thread

    Post  kvs on Sat Jul 09, 2016 1:27 am

    I don't see a massive troll problem on this board. Perhaps I am not visiting the afflicted threads to see this.
    The Syria threads have some troll-ish posters but in my experience there will always be some and there is no
    swarm of them here. Dozens of accounts? Sorry but that cannot be true otherwise we would have several times
    more troll posts than regular posts. There are not that many regular posters on this board and they are not
    swamped.

    I guess everyone's troll sensitivity is different but the level of freaking about trolls that I see is excessive. Even
    if you see a troll get quoted that does not mean you have to read what they wrote. Troll post followups are
    sparse on this board.

    MP net was a steaming pile of trolls who were in effect the regular posters and the moderators themselves. This
    board is not like this at all (the mods do not troll at all) and people should not be so quick to flush it down the
    toilet and quit.

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    Re: Talking bollocks thread

    Post  Vann7 on Sat Jul 09, 2016 7:54 am

    Werewolf wrote:Seriously are you guys stuck with your heads in your own arse and listening to your own shit or is your brain just dislocated from the rest of your heads?

    Nobody fucking gives a shit about people with opinion, people are fucking complaining about Trolls that are rampaging here with fucking DOZENS of fucking accounts and while mods/admin does not do jack shit despite having official forum rule for no double accounts you are just do not give a fuck about it. The consequence for not having consequences for forum abusers and forum rule breakers is they do what the fuck they want and you only encourage it by your shitty attitude like Garry said: "They will just make another account or reconnect to internet bla bla bloop". Fucking keep them banning untill they fucking get annoyed and quit for good.

    Use your brain for once or just see this turn to meaningless and then try to find another english speaking forum of russian equipment, good luck with that. Nobody says go ban everyone with different opinion you are just full of your own shit right now.

    Now seriously you are trolling here..
    who have 12 accounts? Suspect Stop complaining and crying , is just a forum. If you don't
    like anyone post just use Ignore function and problem solved. Rolling Eyes

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