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    Re: Talking bollocks thread

    Post  TR1 on Tue Sep 23, 2014 10:59 pm

    At least people can get college degrees without having to bribe 50 people along the way Wink .
    Corruption in Russia is so much worse across the board it is not even funny.

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    Re: Talking bollocks thread

    Post  Morpheus Eberhardt on Tue Sep 23, 2014 11:10 pm

    TR1 wrote:At least people can get college degrees without having to bribe 50 people along the way Wink .

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    Can you elaborate on this with some examples and anecdotes? I am referring to the situation with the higher education in Russia.


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    Re: Talking bollocks thread

    Post  TR1 on Wed Sep 24, 2014 12:21 am

    Sure thing. It is widespread and all over the place. And really worry-some for our future.

    From Moscow to Dagestan. From a local high school or a customs academy in Mahachkala to MGU in the capital.
    I have relatives in each of those situations who can attest. And of course every so often there is a big outcry of "teacher filmed taking big cash wad" but it is just business as usual.

    Money is needed to pass tests, to get into programs, to even get decent grades from teachers in primary education!

    I wish I could say I was exaggerating.
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    Re: Talking bollocks thread

    Post  magnumcromagnon on Wed Sep 24, 2014 12:38 am

    TR1 wrote:
    magnumcromagnon wrote:
    TR1 wrote:
    magnumcromagnon wrote:
    TR1 wrote:
    KomissarBojanchev wrote:The more russian ships stay for ultralong periods in drydocks do more this gives NATO the go-ahaed to invade a russian overseas ally. I wouldn't be surprised if the west invades and opresses cuba, venezuela if the current number of active ships in the RuN stays the same.

    Don't say "but topol".

    Topols, SS-18s, etc. didn't stop NATO from still brutally violating other nations yesterday, and it won't stop them from violating tomorrow unless russia has a long range surface naval reaction force capable of disabling together at least 1 NATO CAG, active 24/7 to block NATO anytime the neocons are thinking about "spreading democracy and european values" to another country.


    Cuba is doing a good job of oppressing itself, no need for the US to invade.

    Gitmo is such a bastion of freedom in Cuba. Rolling Eyes

    Yes, let us compare an isolated prison to the absolute hole an entire nation has been due to laughable failed "socialism".

    Much better argument then relying on twitter, facebook, livejournal posts to prove points like your accustomed to. lol1

    Awww, someone is butthurt Russian vehicles were exposed in Ukraine Sad .

    Your Holiday Inn Express Forensics degree doesn't count, OSCE investigations holds significantly more credibility than your clumsy and pathetic attempts to grasp straws. lol1
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    Re: Talking bollocks thread

    Post  AlfaT8 on Wed Sep 24, 2014 3:00 am

    Guys, this is the Borei thread...right?? Suspect Suspect
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    Re: Talking bollocks thread

    Post  TR1 on Wed Sep 24, 2014 5:26 am

    magnumcromagnon wrote:
    TR1 wrote:
    magnumcromagnon wrote:
    TR1 wrote:
    magnumcromagnon wrote:
    TR1 wrote:
    KomissarBojanchev wrote:The more russian ships stay for ultralong periods in drydocks do more this gives NATO the go-ahaed to invade a russian overseas ally. I wouldn't be surprised if the west invades and opresses cuba, venezuela if the current number of active ships in the RuN stays the same.

    Don't say "but topol".

    Topols, SS-18s, etc. didn't stop NATO from still brutally violating other nations yesterday, and it won't stop them from violating tomorrow unless russia has a long range surface naval reaction force capable of disabling together at least 1 NATO CAG, active 24/7 to block NATO anytime the neocons are thinking about "spreading democracy and european values" to another country.


    Cuba is doing a good job of oppressing itself, no need for the US to invade.

    Gitmo is such a bastion of freedom in Cuba. Rolling Eyes

    Yes, let us compare an isolated prison to the absolute hole an entire nation has been due to laughable failed "socialism".

    Much better argument then relying on twitter, facebook, livejournal posts to prove points like your accustomed to. lol1

    Awww, someone is butthurt Russian vehicles were exposed in Ukraine Sad .

    Your Holiday Inn Express Forensics degree doesn't count, OSCE investigations holds significantly more credibility than your clumsy and pathetic attempts to grasp straws. lol1

    I was laughing especially hard when the rebels captured back that T-72B3, and filmed it in great detail.

    Some people are too amateurish to even tell what a T-72B3 is, sad.

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    Re: Talking bollocks thread

    Post  Vympel on Wed Sep 24, 2014 6:46 am

    Can you guys please control yourself? Why does every single thread about a specific topic need to get trashed with plainly off-topic talk?
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    Re: Talking bollocks thread

    Post  magnumcromagnon on Wed Sep 24, 2014 7:20 am

    TR1 wrote:
    magnumcromagnon wrote:
    TR1 wrote:
    magnumcromagnon wrote:
    TR1 wrote:
    magnumcromagnon wrote:
    TR1 wrote:
    KomissarBojanchev wrote:The more russian ships stay for ultralong periods in drydocks do more this gives NATO the go-ahaed to invade a russian overseas ally. I wouldn't be surprised if the west invades and opresses cuba, venezuela if the current number of active ships in the RuN stays the same.

    Don't say "but topol".

    Topols, SS-18s, etc. didn't stop NATO from still brutally violating other nations yesterday, and it won't stop them from violating tomorrow unless russia has a long range surface naval reaction force capable of disabling together at least 1 NATO CAG, active 24/7 to block NATO anytime the neocons are thinking about "spreading democracy and european values" to another country.


    Cuba is doing a good job of oppressing itself, no need for the US to invade.

    Gitmo is such a bastion of freedom in Cuba. Rolling Eyes

    Yes, let us compare an isolated prison to the absolute hole an entire nation has been due to laughable failed "socialism".

    Much better argument then relying on twitter, facebook, livejournal posts to prove points like your accustomed to. lol1

    Awww, someone is butthurt Russian vehicles were exposed in Ukraine Sad .

    Your Holiday Inn Express Forensics degree doesn't count, OSCE investigations holds significantly more credibility than your clumsy and pathetic attempts to grasp straws. lol1

    I was laughing especially hard when the rebels captured back that T-72B3, and filmed it in great detail.

    Some people are too amateurish to even tell what a T-72B3 is, sad.

    What's amateurish is that your obsession of social media is beyond myopic, to the point of being apoplectic...like a true snake-oil selling charlatan, you want to posture like you did some serious forensics investigations at the Russian/Ukrainian borders which you obviously haven't, and completely ignore institutions such as the OSCE who spent hundreds to thousands of man-hours carrying out forensics at the border, something you haven't done. Clown-shoes such as yourself haven't even put 1/10,000th the effort the OSCE have actually investigating the conflict, but your want to posture like you did! lol1 Embarassed Razz

    Want more evidence that your a snake-oil selling charlatan? Like a true sanctimonious hypocrite, just look at the pathetic level of your contradicting confirmation bias...

    Here you are rediculing RT as a source for RU military information in one thread:

    TR1 wrote:Well you have this:

    http://ria.ru/defense_safety/20130220/923813018.html

    vs some RT nonsense.

    Take your pick.

    http://www.russiadefence.net/t46p240-project-955-borei#63779


    ...But like a worthless cretin, you cite a source to back up claims about RU military involvement which includes RT video in the first link, and you've used screen captures of Ruptly video to prove your points as well in other threads...when yourself claimed RT isn't reliable on RU military matters Rolling Eyes :

    TR1 wrote:
    ali.a.r wrote:Wow. This thread is really going to sh*t. TR1, can you provide some links for the T-72s and BTR-82s you mentioned? Ive been trying to get the full story for hours. Any media pro-Russian obviously wont have any, and the anti-Russian ones are mostly photos from exercises and whatnot, from well within Russia.

    This thread has been shit from the start, don't kid yourself.

    Regarding the vehicles, T-72s have been all over the place. Check it out, Russian sources:

    http://bmpd.livejournal.com/967073.html
    http://bmpd.livejournal.com/957262.html

    And this great database:

    http://lostarmour.info/spoils/

    You can check trophies, and losses sections. Of course many of the trophies are from...errr...certain foreign sources.
    But either way, T-72s suddenly abound.

    http://www.russiadefence.net/t3375p135-the-situation-in-the-ukraine#63762

    Your selling snake-oil, and nobody's buying.
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    Re: Talking bollocks thread

    Post  TR1 on Wed Sep 24, 2014 7:45 am

    Stay in denial, I don't care.

    Social media is not 100% certain photographic confirmation, sorry bub. Video footage, filmed by everyone from Russia, Ukrainian media to Ukrainian soldiers and Rebels themselves. NO, IT IS ALL A LIE! PLZ, MY BRAIN IS COLLAPSING AROUND ME! Won't someone erase the mountains of proof that Russia has sent tanks into Ukraine!

    Keep posting, I'll keep laughing. I can see you are very butt-hurt that the truth is out for all to see though.

    Thanks for reposting the evidence by the way Smile .
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    Re: Talking bollocks thread

    Post  magnumcromagnon on Wed Sep 24, 2014 7:59 am

    TR1 wrote:Stay in denial, I don't care.

    Social media is not 100% certain photographic confirmation, sorry bub. Video footage, filmed by everyone from Russia, Ukrainian media to Ukrainian soldiers and Rebels themselves. NO, IT IS ALL A LIE! PLZ, MY BRAIN IS COLLAPSING AROUND ME! Won't someone erase the mountains of proof that Russia has sent tanks into Ukraine!

    Keep posting, I'll keep laughing. I can see you are very butt-hurt that the truth is out for all to see though.

    Thanks for reposting the evidence by the way Smile .


    OSCE on the Russian/Ukrainian border:



    TwitterResearcher1 his comical social-media proof...don't laugh, it really has more credibility than a OSCE mission honest, never mind he's a crackpot imbecile, a solipisist with a pension for confirmation bias.
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    Re: Talking bollocks thread

    Post  Werewolf on Wed Sep 24, 2014 11:30 am

    Maybe he was one of the russians fooled for last 2 decades to believe he is ukrainian, but i really doubt that he is even russian, lot of his posts no russian would make.

    Searching the web for nice photographs of aircrafts and other military hardware i came across a keypub thread where TR1 was trying to make fun of russia and russians posting to some anglo saxon a dating side for russian women and portraing it as slave market which is loved to be viewed upon russia by the west.

    Seriously that idiot is no russian just a russophobe.
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    Re: Talking bollocks thread

    Post  Hannibal Barca on Wed Sep 24, 2014 11:54 am

    magnumcromagnon wrote:
    TR1 wrote:Stay in denial, I don't care.

    Social media is not 100% certain photographic confirmation, sorry bub. Video footage, filmed by everyone from Russia, Ukrainian media to Ukrainian soldiers and Rebels themselves. NO, IT IS ALL A LIE! PLZ, MY BRAIN IS COLLAPSING AROUND ME! Won't someone erase the mountains of proof that Russia has sent tanks into Ukraine!

    Keep posting, I'll keep laughing. I can see you are very butt-hurt that the truth is out for all to see though.

    Thanks for reposting the evidence by the way Smile .


    OSCE on the Russian/Ukrainian border:



    TwitterResearcher1 his  comical social-media proof...don't laugh, it really has more credibility than a OSCE mission honest, never mind he's a crackpot imbecile, a solipisist with a pension for confirmation bias.

    I was thinking that he stands for Truly Retard, alas.
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    Re: Talking bollocks thread

    Post  TR1 on Wed Sep 24, 2014 9:08 pm

    Werewolf wrote:Maybe he was one of the russians fooled for last 2 decades to believe he is ukrainian, but i really doubt that he is even russian, lot of his posts no russian would make.

    Searching the web for nice photographs of aircrafts and other military hardware i came across a keypub thread where TR1 was trying to make fun of russia and russians posting to some anglo saxon a dating side for russian women and portraing it as slave market which is loved to be viewed upon russia by the west.

    Seriously that idiot is no russian just a russophobe.

    1.) LOL, so according to you all Russians have to be drones, submissively repeating and believing everything their government tells them, and never saying anything wrong about Russia? Who is the Russophobe here again, you or me?
    I know you Germans have a tendency to goosestep behind your government, but please, keep it to yourself.

    2.) Go ahead, post these findings about me.
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    Re: Talking bollocks thread

    Post  flamming_python on Wed Sep 24, 2014 9:12 pm

    **chews popcorn**

    The hell is wrong with sending tanks to the rebels anyway? If I had my way Russian soldiers would be raising the flag on the Rada right now.
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    Re: Talking bollocks thread

    Post  Werewolf on Wed Sep 24, 2014 9:47 pm

    TR1 wrote:
    Werewolf wrote:Maybe he was one of the russians fooled for last 2 decades to believe he is ukrainian, but i really doubt that he is even russian, lot of his posts no russian would make.

    Searching the web for nice photographs of aircrafts and other military hardware i came across a keypub thread where TR1 was trying to make fun of russia and russians posting to some anglo saxon a dating side for russian women and portraing it as slave market which is loved to be viewed upon russia by the west.

    Seriously that idiot is no russian just a russophobe.

    1.) LOL, so according to you all Russians have to be drones, submissively repeating and believing everything their government tells them, and never saying anything wrong about Russia? Who is the Russophobe here again, you or me?
    I know you Germans have a tendency to goosestep behind your government, but please, keep it to yourself.

    2.) Go ahead, post these findings about me.

    No actuall russians love to debate and discuss things and sometimes are stubborn, but they are usually not the once repeating western propaganda of someone who has 86% approval rating to be "Tzar dictator" and all your bullcrap of russian politics which you clearly have no idea off, since you dismissed the Yelzin era and access to kreml for CIA agents as a conspiracy theory. Calling some ridiculous unbased hatred towards putin. I understand that you don't need to like him but baseless hatred for no reason, you could not give a single argument, but at the same time doing like what US and their genocides are going around like no big deal, you said it yourself you do not give a shit about iraqi lifes. All your bullcrap gives me only one conclusion you are not a russian posting such bullshit of "sex slaves on market" crap to some asshole on keypub forum.
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    Re: Talking bollocks thread

    Post  TR1 on Wed Sep 24, 2014 9:52 pm

    Blah, Blah blah blah, show me this "sex slave" post. I am very interested.

    For the 50th time, I said I don't give a shit about Iraq in the context of a Ukraine thread. That should have been obvious, but you nutters jumped on it (no doubt because of lack of any real cohesive argument otherwise) in an attempt to make it seem like I am the biased one. Which is funny. Very funny.

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    Re: Talking bollocks thread

    Post  Vympel on Thu Sep 25, 2014 4:08 am

    The notion that anyone is seriously contesting the fact that Russia sent arms and men to Ukraine blows my mind. The photographic evidence is incontrovertible - the T-72B3 tanks we've seen in what is definitely Ukraine - with rebels - proves it beyond all reasonable doubt.

    This insistence that its not true - with no real counterargument beyond "OSCE!" or "social media!" is unbecoming to say the least. TR1 is right, and those opposing him are wrong. Period.

    That said, Russia is not wholly to blame for this crisis. It is a fact - and this is something many serious Western foreign policy commentators agree on - not just Russians - that the West aided, abetted, and legitimised an anti-democratic coup, against Russian interests, in Ukraine in February. That's just incontrovertible. In the process, they disenfranchised a significant segment of Ukraine's population.

    Yanukovych was deposed after he signed a reasonable agreement on February 21 that would've seen him give up powers and provide for early elections, which would've seen the legitimate political interests of all of Ukraine into account, when tempers had cooled. Instead, the opposition took advantage of his withdrawing police to take over buildings, intimidate unpersuaded Rada members, and oust Yanukovych and his closest supporters.

    Yanukovych didn't just abandon his post, and those asserting he did are just stupid, or worse, propagandists. What, he didn't want to be President anymore?

    So we have the West acting against Russia's interests, once again, and this time right on Russia's border. Of course they were going to respond to secure those interests and destabilise Ukraine's illegitimate government. This doesn't justify those acts, but it does explain them.

    Even so, do I have a particular moral objection to the annexation of Crimea? No. Its historically Russian territory full of Russians that should never have been joined to Crimea, and ample polls - not just the flawed referndum - bear out that theyd' rather be with Russia than Ukraine. The annexation was bloodless. So in the annals of aggression, its not terribly serious.

    Then you've got the situation in Donetsk and Lugansk (and associated incidents, like Odessa). Disenfranchised Russophone Ukrainians object to getting a government they didn't vote for and do what the Maidan did - take over government buildings. What happens? The coup-imposed government in Kiev unleashes the army on them, and the West cheers them on, the flagrant hypocrites.

    On that basis, am I particularly unhappy that Russia came to their defence with men and equipment*? Not really, no. But the slaughter of civilians that accompanied this whole fiasco should never have happened in the first place, and for that, everyone shares some blame.

    That's especially true when you consider that now, after all this bloodshed, Russia has gotten what it wanted in relation to the EU association agreement after all, Ukraine is moving to give special status to the regions (as is right and proper) and Russia will have a year to play the game of thrones in Ukraine.

    *Of course, Ukraine's lies about Russian involvement can't go unstated. At every stage, Ukraine has exaggerated Russia's role beyond what the evidence shows and told absurd lies like "Russians bomb Donetsk to make us look bad". Russia wasn't providing T-72B3s etc at the start, but only quite recently.

    Now can we get back to discusising Borei?
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    Re: Talking bollocks thread

    Post  magnumcromagnon on Thu Sep 25, 2014 5:43 am

    Vympel wrote:The notion that anyone is seriously contesting the fact that Russia sent arms and men to Ukraine blows my mind. The photographic evidence is incontrovertible - the T-72B3 tanks we've seen in what is definitely Ukraine - with rebels - proves it beyond all reasonable doubt.

    This insistence that its not true - with no real counterargument beyond "OSCE!" or "social media!" is unbecoming to say the least. TR1 is right, and those opposing him are wrong. Period.

    That said, Russia is not wholly to blame for this crisis. It is a fact - and this is something many serious Western foreign policy commentators agree on - not just Russians - that the West aided, abetted, and legitimised an anti-democratic coup, against Russian interests, in Ukraine in February. That's just incontrovertible. In the process, they disenfranchised a significant segment of Ukraine's population.

    Yanukovych was deposed after he signed a reasonable agreement on February 21 that would've seen him give up powers and provide for early elections, which would've seen the legitimate political interests of all of Ukraine into account, when tempers had cooled. Instead, the opposition took advantage of his withdrawing police to take over buildings, intimidate unpersuaded Rada members, and oust Yanukovych and his closest supporters.

    Yanukovych didn't just abandon his post, and those asserting he did are just stupid, or worse, propagandists. What, he didn't want to be President anymore?

    So we have the West acting against Russia's interests, once again, and this time right on Russia's border. Of course they were going to respond to secure those interests and destabilise Ukraine's illegitimate government. This doesn't justify those acts, but it does explain them.

    Even so, do I have a particular moral objection to the annexation of Crimea? No. Its historically Russian territory full of Russians that should never have been joined to Crimea, and ample polls - not just the flawed referndum - bear out that theyd' rather be with Russia than Ukraine. The annexation was bloodless. So in the annals of aggression, its not terribly serious.

    Then you've got the situation in Donetsk and Lugansk (and associated incidents, like Odessa). Disenfranchised Russophone Ukrainians object to getting a government they didn't vote for and do what the Maidan did - take over government buildings. What happens? The coup-imposed government in Kiev unleashes the army on them, and the West cheers them on, the flagrant hypocrites.

    On that basis, am I particularly unhappy that Russia came to their defence with men and equipment*? Not really, no. But the slaughter of civilians that accompanied this whole fiasco should never have happened in the first place, and for that, everyone shares some blame.

    That's especially true when you consider that now, after all this bloodshed, Russia has gotten what it wanted in relation to the EU association agreement after all, Ukraine is moving to give special status to the regions (as is right and proper) and Russia will have a year to play the game of thrones in Ukraine.

    *Of course, Ukraine's lies about Russian involvement can't go unstated. At every stage, Ukraine has exaggerated Russia's role beyond what the evidence shows and told absurd lies like "Russians bomb Donetsk to make us look bad". Russia wasn't providing T-72B3s etc at the start, but only quite recently.

    Now can we get back to discusising Borei?

    Who needs forensic degrees, we could just stay a night at the Holiday Inn Express. This thread has been derailed enough, GarryB do the honors of restoring order and maintain *Borei discussion only*, I apologize Garry for the inconvenience.

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    Talking bollocks

    Post  Firebird on Thu Sep 25, 2014 8:57 am

    magnumcromagnon wrote:
    TR1 wrote:Stay in denial, I don't care.

    Social media is not 100% certain photographic confirmation, sorry bub. Video footage, filmed by everyone from Russia, Ukrainian media to Ukrainian soldiers and Rebels themselves. NO, IT IS ALL A LIE! PLZ, MY BRAIN IS COLLAPSING AROUND ME! Won't someone erase the mountains of proof that Russia has sent tanks into Ukraine!

    Keep posting, I'll keep laughing. I can see you are very butt-hurt that the truth is out for all to see though.

    Thanks for reposting the evidence by the way Smile .


    OSCE on the Russian/Ukrainian border:



    TwitterResearcher1 his  comical social-media proof...don't laugh, it really has more credibility than a OSCE mission honest, never mind he's a crackpot imbecile, a solipisist with a pension for confirmation bias.

    As I recall, isn't TR1 Chechen? Or part Chechen.

    I seem to remember someone here saying that the Chechens kidnapping Russians only wasnt an attempt to ethnically cleanse Russians from the region. I think that might have been TR1, but I'm not sure. Anyway, the defence of Chechen maniacs was pretty disturbing.
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    Re: Talking bollocks thread

    Post  GarryB on Thu Sep 25, 2014 12:53 pm

    It doesn't matter what ethnic group TR-1, he is a member of this forum.

    Sadly while he claims he does not have as much time as he used to he seems to spend a lot of time talking to people who waste his time and wind him up.

    I can understand... I spend a lot of time talking to Navyfield... you keep hoping that little bit of sand will turn into a pearl of wisdom... but that only happens in oysters... not little girls private parts.

    BTW the revolution in Cuba had very little to do with communism... just like the revolution in Vietnam... Cuba actually asked for Americas help but at the end of the day asking the US to help you because of a racist oppressive regime that stops dark skinned people from owning anything or doing anything but being cabanna boys for casinos or cut sugar cane in their own country would be a bit like asking for equal civil rights in the southern US states at the time... pointless.

    When the US said no the Soviets stepped forward and offered help over the US and of course the imperial european countries that had already cheated the natives out of their productive land and bought up all the decent real estate on the best beaches... if it wasn't a European imperial owner it was a US mob boss owned casino... if Castro had be shot early on Los Vegas probably never would have survived... casinos in the middle of the desert or near beautiful beaches with beautiful call girls...

    If the British had offered the Vietnamese help in getting rid of the French and then Japs and then French there might not have been any need for as much fighting... the French would have gotten the message fighting the British... the only problem would have been how the British would have made things worse...


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    Re: Talking bollocks thread

    Post  Morpheus Eberhardt on Sun Oct 19, 2014 12:39 pm

    Does anybody know much about the Swedish submarine story currently making the rounds?
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    Post  Regular on Mon Oct 20, 2014 3:52 am

    Morpheus Eberhardt wrote:Does anybody know much about the Swedish submarine story currently making the rounds?
    Well only people who know more about it are the ones inside the sub... If there is any sub at all. Most likely there is.. I will refrain from speculating and I just hope no one will end up in watery grave.
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    Re: Talking bollocks thread

    Post  Mike E on Mon Oct 20, 2014 5:03 am

    Regular wrote:
    Morpheus Eberhardt wrote:Does anybody know much about the Swedish submarine story currently making the rounds?
    Well only people who know more about it are the ones inside the sub... If there is any sub at all. Most likely there is.. I will refrain from speculating and I just hope no one will end up in watery grave.

    AFAIK, it is yet another propaganda piece brought to you by the West. Absolutely no evidence points to a sub actually being there, only the word of the Swedish government as if that means anything. In fact, they seem to not believe it themselves. All the articles I've found say that the Swedes are banking on "credible sources", probably NATO's Goebbels department! So far, they have been searching without any results. I doubt the Russian government would deny a submarine accident anyway, even if they did, it would've leaked by now.
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    Re: Talking bollocks thread

    Post  sepheronx on Mon Oct 20, 2014 5:07 am

    Mike E wrote:
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    Morpheus Eberhardt wrote:Does anybody know much about the Swedish submarine story currently making the rounds?
    Well only people who know more about it are the ones inside the sub... If there is any sub at all. Most likely there is.. I will refrain from speculating and I just hope no one will end up in watery grave.

    AFAIK, it is yet another propaganda piece brought to you by the West. Absolutely no evidence points to a sub actually being there, only the word of the Swedish government as if that means anything. In fact, they seem to not believe it themselves. All the articles I've found say that the Swedes are banking on "credible sources", probably NATO's Goebbels department! So far, they have been searching without any results. I doubt the Russian government would deny a submarine accident anyway, even if they did, it would've leaked by now.

    So far, there hasn't been anything found. Only speculation. Questions I have are:
    1) If they got the comm, where is the source of it (evidence)?
    2) How come they have not found anything yet?
    3) Russia denied it, which would be major trouble for Russian gov if they were caught lying. They didn't lie about Kursk. Just poor response.

    So far, it apparently happened on Saturday. If there was a problem, the crew would be dead already. As well, there was a Russian Tanker vessel in the area and people claim that is the mothership for the minisub.

    This wouldn't be the first time Sweden claimed to have seen a Russian ship (ends up being phantom) and the Sweden military denied the so called reports.
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    Re: Talking bollocks thread

    Post  Mike E on Mon Oct 20, 2014 5:16 am

    sepheronx wrote:
    Mike E wrote:
    Regular wrote:
    Morpheus Eberhardt wrote:Does anybody know much about the Swedish submarine story currently making the rounds?
    Well only people who know more about it are the ones inside the sub... If there is any sub at all. Most likely there is.. I will refrain from speculating and I just hope no one will end up in watery grave.

    AFAIK, it is yet another propaganda piece brought to you by the West. Absolutely no evidence points to a sub actually being there, only the word of the Swedish government as if that means anything. In fact, they seem to not believe it themselves. All the articles I've found say that the Swedes are banking on "credible sources", probably NATO's Goebbels department! So far, they have been searching without any results. I doubt the Russian government would deny a submarine accident anyway, even if they did, it would've leaked by now.

    So far, there hasn't been anything found.  Only speculation.  Questions I have are:
    1) If they got the comm, where is the source of it (evidence)?
    2) How come they have not found anything yet?
    3) Russia denied it, which would be major trouble for Russian gov if they were caught lying.  They didn't lie about Kursk.  Just poor response.

    So far, it apparently happened on Saturday.  If there was a problem, the crew would be dead already.  As well, there was a Russian Tanker vessel in the area and people claim that is the mothership for the minisub.

    This wouldn't be the first time Sweden claimed to have seen a Russian ship (ends up being phantom) and the Sweden military denied the so called reports.

    Exactly.... The West is having a field-day with this one, despite the lack of anything supporting their loony claims! I was reading my favorite car site (jalopnik), who linked to an article that basically claimed that the cargo ship was a distraction for this sub. They are a part of Kinja/Gawker, but still!

    Cannot believe that they claim Russia supports crazy explanations....

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