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    Re: Talking bollocks thread

    Post  KoTeMoRe on Sun Jun 12, 2016 8:01 am

    What the actual Foxtrot Uniform Charlie Kilo?

    Are you folks on Ramadan or something? You're starting to sound bordeline PMS'ish.

    And for real was this because David Fucking Axe? I understand sometimes tensions fly because the posting policy is lax (not laxist), but to each his own guys. Live and let live.

    Let's all make peace.

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    Re: Talking bollocks thread

    Post  VladimirSahin on Sun Jun 12, 2016 2:36 pm

    Militarov will be missed but its unfortunate that this happened, and GarryB and Militarov are both great contributors. Hopefully someone can find Militarov on another forum and threat him to come back, we need our Serb bros on the forum.

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    Re: Talking bollocks thread

    Post  PapaDragon on Sun Jun 12, 2016 3:13 pm

    GarryB wrote:.......................

    Ummm... did you read what he posted into the PAK FA thread?

    Let me remind you:

    "Not only is the Russian air force indiscriminately bombing civilians in Syria—it’s losing a substantial number of aircraft in the process. Turkish jets shot down one Syria-based Russian bomber after it strayed into Turkish air space in November 2015. Russia has also lost around half a dozen helicopters to crashes and ground fire in Syria in recent months."

    "Today Russia is in a similar predicament. Outside of the Syria intervention, Moscow possesses precious little extra air power. But it only takes on T-50 to make an impressive statement and at least imply that Russia has warplanes to spare. It doesn’t actually matter that, as a frontline warplane, the T-50 is probably doomed to fail. It can at least do its job as a propaganda piece......."
    ............................

    If you bothered to pay attention you would know it's not his text, he was just quoting the article.

    And when Mustafa was posting 2 full treads of racist and jihadist bullshit he was able to do so without any complaints from mods for nearly a month before Vlad (the administrator) banned him.

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    Re: Talking bollocks thread

    Post  KoTeMoRe on Sun Jun 12, 2016 3:30 pm

    VladimirSahin wrote:Militarov will be missed but its unfortunate that this happened, and GarryB and Militarov are both great contributors. Hopefully someone can find Militarov on another forum and threat him to come back, we need our Serb bros on the forum.

    Mil's going nowhere.

    People need to calm the fuck down and practice what they preach. Second degree, tolerance and tutti quanti.

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    Re: Talking bollocks thread

    Post  Werewolf on Sun Jun 12, 2016 4:10 pm

    That happens, when actual trolls are left alone just so the mods are not seen as ban happy goons while actual contributors to this forum are more and more pissed off and are posting less and less since the threads are either attacked or the entire niveau is dragged down by the clowns and the inactive, reputation worrying mods.

    There are rules on this forum and your reputation is no subject to bend or break the rules to your liking.

    Get your heads out of your arses. I do not say this to annoy or piss you off just to give you a little point of view from year long members of this forum that sees this forum being infiltrated by trolls since the closure of mp.net and you mods do not do your job.

    Keep your personal reputation above forum reputation and you will find yourself being mods of a dump while actual contributors are going some places else.

    Your actions or better to say lack of actions is the problem and how Militarov reacted to GarryB's replies is only one the few drops that are seemingly to fill and overfloot the bucket of personal tolerance of the bullshit he and others see and have to read on this forum.

    My 2cents.

    I do not see David Axes horseshit of any interest, i some times read the horeshit our enemies spew into the masses just to see what the idiots are fed up with, but the reaction is one-sided.

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    Re: Talking bollocks thread

    Post  max steel on Sun Jun 12, 2016 4:54 pm

    I've seen the same David Axe link on other forums too where people were laughing at his BS  but boy oh boy this forum turned it into a trainwreck. When I joined 2 years back this forum had good contributors but slowly it's turning into _ . lol1

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    Re: Talking bollocks thread

    Post  GunshipDemocracy on Sun Jun 12, 2016 6:13 pm

    max steel wrote:I've seen the same David Axe link on other forums too where people were laughing at his BS  but boy oh boy this forum turned it into a trainwreck. When I joined 2 years back this forum had good contributors but slowly it's turning into _ . lol1

    I love you too Razz

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    Re: Talking bollocks thread

    Post  VladimirSahin on Sun Jun 12, 2016 6:27 pm

    Forum is still good, just some unneeded posts and flame wars that some times happens. Forum still has potential Cool

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    Re: Talking bollocks thread

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    Re: Talking bollocks thread

    Post  KoTeMoRe on Sun Jun 12, 2016 7:46 pm

    FFS do you lads understand that you're not forced to like what we post as long as it is factual and accompanied with a disclaimer?

    You do understand that sometimes people WILL POST stuff that might not be of your liking.

    You know what I'm about to get involved. Recently Garry pointed out that there were no Russians in Ukraine.

    Well. That's factually wrong on multiples angles.

    1. There are Russian military members in Russia, because of JCCC.
    2. We have seen both credible evidence and credible aftermath of Russian presence in Ukraine. And nope we're not talking BellingCat bullshit, just freaking MSTA-S crossing the freaking border from Ukraine to Russia with tactical ID still on.
    3. There's enough resources to prove and verify, RF MoD has been involved in shipping and forming Donbass militia. Both in Ukraine and Russia. We also know the process of intervention (including weapons and ammo that were delivered in August to "Nothern Wind" and signed by the NCO of tank platoon. NCO that even posted pictures of him and his men rolling IN Donbass.

    Yet we were very close to having the kind of debate Mil had with Garry and the others. Because you know, no Russians in Ukraine. Ha, ha, effing ha.
    Objectivity is not about belief, it's about picking up the least implausible, the most coherent, most logic version of events that presents itself to you.

    From those rules, I see a couple that are broken when you attack the messenger. I've been guilty of that back in Dforce's period. And with reason as Dforce kept the trolling up.
    However, it doesn't change the fact I broke the rules. Yet the cause of all this rif raf is because for what ever reason, Militarov was attacked for something that was clearly sarcastic. It was so sarcastic that I pointed out that the author of that shitty piece was an utter tool and your casual "useful idiot".

    However that piece wasn't even as offensive as some non-sense being posted recently on very serious matters that I happen to know well. I'd point out pieces as bad as D. Axe's trash regarding the AK74MR program, the fact that people still peddle the AK-12 adopted and for special forces (yeah but no) and that Ratnik is going to be fully worn all time.

    Then we have people that continuously post in foreign language without translation (you know who you are) etc etc etc.

    The fact is that this forum is not going anywhere without its members. It's a rather nifty place with interesting people. But an effort has to be made on both sides. Now as far as Mil is concerned, I don't really think any of you is seeing the crazy ouput he's been having. And a fairly balanced one. This is not about repuation indeed, but that line of argument goes both ways.

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    Re: Talking bollocks thread

    Post  VladimirSahin on Sun Jun 12, 2016 8:18 pm

    KoTeMoRe wrote:FFS do you lads understand that you're not forced to like what we post as long as it is factual and accompanied with a disclaimer?

    You do understand that sometimes people WILL POST stuff that might not be of your liking.

    You know what I'm about to get involved. Recently Garry pointed out that there were no Russians in Ukraine.

    Well. That's factually wrong on multiples angles.

    1. There are Russian military members in Russia, because of JCCC.
    2. We have seen both credible evidence and credible aftermath of Russian presence in Ukraine. And nope we're not talking BellingCat bullshit, just freaking MSTA-S crossing the freaking border from Ukraine to Russia with tactical ID still on.
    3. There's enough resources to prove and verify, RF MoD has been involved in shipping and forming Donbass militia. Both in Ukraine and Russia. We also know the process of intervention (including weapons and ammo that were delivered in August to "Nothern Wind" and signed by the NCO of tank platoon. NCO that even posted pictures of him and his men rolling IN Donbass.


    As far as official statements go, The Russian army was not in Ukraine. Although that doesn't mean there was no Russian brigades in Ukraine Twisted Evil but this is justifiable for the same reason that f*cking new cyborg Ukrainian government was formed by a damn riot. I'm just trying to defend the DPR/LPR as being targeted by a very sloppy operation from the Ukrainian government and also being targeted by indiscriminate shelling. And this is the truth, Russian troops were in Ukraine supporting the DPR/LPR. But that doesn't mean it is not justified, if the US is supporting well known terrorist rats in Syria, Russia has the right to support a rebellion comprised of its own people.

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    Re: Talking bollocks thread

    Post  KoTeMoRe on Sun Jun 12, 2016 8:38 pm

    VladimirSahin wrote:
    KoTeMoRe wrote:FFS do you lads understand that you're not forced to like what we post as long as it is factual and accompanied with a disclaimer?

    You do understand that sometimes people WILL POST stuff that might not be of your liking.

    You know what I'm about to get involved. Recently Garry pointed out that there were no Russians in Ukraine.

    Well. That's factually wrong on multiples angles.

    1. There are Russian military members in Russia, because of JCCC.
    2. We have seen both credible evidence and credible aftermath of Russian presence in Ukraine. And nope we're not talking BellingCat bullshit, just freaking MSTA-S crossing the freaking border from Ukraine to Russia with tactical ID still on.
    3. There's enough resources to prove and verify, RF MoD has been involved in shipping and forming Donbass militia. Both in Ukraine and Russia. We also know the process of intervention (including weapons and ammo that were delivered in August to "Nothern Wind" and signed by the NCO of tank platoon. NCO that even posted pictures of him and his men rolling IN Donbass.


    As far as official statements go, The Russian army was not in Ukraine. Although that doesn't mean there was no Russian brigades in Ukraine Twisted Evil but this is justifiable for the same reason that f*cking new cyborg Ukrainian government was formed by a damn riot. I'm just trying to defend the DPR/LPR as being targeted by a very sloppy operation from the Ukrainian government and also being targeted by indiscriminate shelling. And this is the truth, Russian troops were in Ukraine supporting the DPR/LPR. But that doesn't mean it is not justified, if the US is supporting well known terrorist rats in Syria, Russia has the right to support a rebellion comprised of its own people.

    Personally, I'd have zero issues having an open retaking of Ukraine (or whatever is left of it). But that option was out of question.

    However, this was just an illustration of what kind of mental barriers once can hit when taking with others. For some there were no Russians in Ukraine, for others they were. These viewpoints can be argued without the need to just usher a mantra, in this case "No Russians in Ukraine".

    That's all we need to defuse troublesome situation not instill them.

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    Re: Talking bollocks thread

    Post  VladimirSahin on Sun Jun 12, 2016 9:06 pm

    Well it is a successful tactic you can say "maskirovka" even NATO itself is kind of edgy on actual numbers deployed into Ukraine. Some claim 12,000 some claim 8,000 some claim a brigade worth so around 1200. How ever it would be good if we could get someone without bias such as yourself who looks into both sources to share any info on actual numbers deployed. I know T-90s and T-72B3s have been deployed, lads from Buryatia.(I don't know why they would send asians to fight in Ukraine obviously they'll be identified) maybe we should get a thread on the topic? I know this isn't the right place to discuss but I'm quite interested in the topic.

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    Re: Talking bollocks thread

    Post  GarryB on Mon Jun 13, 2016 4:25 am


    If you bothered to pay attention you would know it's not his text, he was just quoting the article.

    I understand he was quoting the article he was linking.

    What I don't understand is why he is defending posting a quote about the Russian air force murdering civilians in Syria and losing dozens of aircraft in the process on a thread about the PAK FA.

    And when Mustafa was posting 2 full treads of racist and jihadist bullshit he was able to do so without any complaints from mods for nearly a month before Vlad (the administrator) banned him.

    And when he posted crap he was told he was posting crap... eventually he stepped over the line and was banned. Militarov is saying he is leaving... the fact that he is saying he is leaving suggests to me that he has not been banned.

    The only pain he has suffered here is being asked why he posted such a crap article... an article Zivo took apart very succinctly a few posts above...

    He is still not banned.

    If he chooses to leave, that is his decision.

    That happens, when actual trolls are left alone just so the mods are not seen as ban happy goons while actual contributors to this forum are more and more pissed off and are posting less and less since the threads are either attacked or the entire niveau is dragged down by the clowns and the inactive, reputation worrying mods.

    I could give a shit about my reputation... it is not something I can control.

    I ban when people repeatedly break the rules... it takes a lot to get a ban from me... most of the time a discussion is all that is needed to sort out the problem.

    Nobody has been banned to my knowledge even though Mil asked me to ban him.

    Get your heads out of your arses. I do not say this to annoy or piss you off just to give you a little point of view from year long members of this forum that sees this forum being infiltrated by trolls since the closure of mp.net and you mods do not do your job.

    Show me specific examples of rule breaking and I will act. Otherwise it is not an issue for a mod... more likely an issue for marriage councillor.

    Keep your personal reputation above forum reputation and you will find yourself being mods of a dump while actual contributors are going some places else.

    I can just enforce the rules and post my own opinion.

    If there's someone you dislike, go to "profile" > "Friends and foes" and block the offender.

    IF only I could...

    FFS do you lads understand that you're not forced to like what we post as long as it is factual and accompanied with a disclaimer?

    FFS Militarov posted a stupid article... he was no executed, he was not banned... he was told he posted a stupid flame bait article and went apeshit.

    Members can post any bullshit opinion they like but should expect other members to respond with their opinions.

    You know what I'm about to get involved. Recently Garry pointed out that there were no Russians in Ukraine.

    Give me a list of all the Russian units currently on strength with the Russian Armed forces and please list those that were in the Ukraine.

    2. We have seen both credible evidence and credible aftermath of Russian presence in Ukraine. And nope we're not talking BellingCat bullshit, just freaking MSTA-S crossing the freaking border from Ukraine to Russia with tactical ID still on.

    Maybe they went looking for where all those shells that landed in Russian territory were coming from?

    3. There's enough resources to prove and verify, RF MoD has been involved in shipping and forming Donbass militia. Both in Ukraine and Russia. We also know the process of intervention (including weapons and ammo that were delivered in August to "Nothern Wind" and signed by the NCO of tank platoon. NCO that even posted pictures of him and his men rolling IN Donbass.

    There are plenty of photos of NATO and US forces in the Ukraine providing equipment and training... the real question is when.

    It was so sarcastic that I pointed out that the author of that shitty piece was an utter tool and your casual "useful idiot".

    So if it was sarcastic, why did he object to criticism for posting it?

    And this is the truth, Russian troops were in Ukraine supporting the DPR/LPR. But that doesn't mean it is not justified, if the US is supporting well known terrorist rats in Syria, Russia has the right to support a rebellion comprised of its own people.

    Russian forces in the Ukraine is a lie the Ukrainians use to try to get support and sympathy from the EU and US... and when dickheads support that view it only makes wankers in kiev look more legitimate.

    There are no Russian federation forces in the Ukraine.

    Personally, I'd have zero issues having an open retaking of Ukraine (or whatever is left of it). But that option was out of question.

    Personally I would say to those in the Ukraine, if you want to come and live in Russia then move now and we will give you land in Russia... well away from international borders where you can live in peace as Russians... if you try to get autonomy or independence we will deport you back to the shithole that is the Ukraine... you have a year to decide and then we are considering the Russia Ukraine border a border with a future NATO country that will be sealed.

    Make your choice.



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    Re: Talking bollocks thread

    Post  KoTeMoRe on Mon Jun 13, 2016 4:56 am

    The knee-jerk reaction from some members is abysmal. He posted an 'it's so bad it's good' article with a clear sarcastic underlining. it wasn't the first time this has happened. I myself have been posting worse, for s*** and giggles.

    Slight

    As for "the Ukraine issue". You have had elements of the 98th and 234th VDV which have been in Ukraine as part of the JCCC. IS this going to be enough Russians in Ukraine.
    You also have people that have brought Aistinyok CBR that were ID's by VK as people from the 234th and they had images of how they transported the whole system. Funny thing, they packed it on ATV's in August.
    You have serial numbers of active Russian troops being being photographed on rifles by the guys them selves, in Donetsk. If there's one thing that doesn't need explanation it is the fact that a Russian soldier doesn't give his registered weapon to someone else. In stark contrast with most rifles in Ukraine that were marked for armory storage, the issued rifles have various id means (including in the case of one SVD-S the freaking V-number of the razvedchik) which entail among others the holdover data for the rifle (taped on receiver, upper handguard).

    The rest of this discussion is quite funny but my point has nothing to do with Ukraine, Sapienti Sat and we don't need to prove what we say to people who are hell bent on believing the "official" version. It's one of those insider things. It makes me smile, feel all warm inside knowing that Mordor does stuff no one will ever know exactly, until they got a 125mm barrel stuck up their rear.

    He objected to what is now a freaking party line. Don't do this, don't do that. Hell that's the thing that will get anyone flak. I don't react when I see stupid/biaised things posted. I don't react when I read some freaking non-sense about making Turkey implode, I don't react when people advocate to give weapons to people whose nationalism is only compared to the people they fight in the margin of Turkish territory.

    I hear Tochka this, Iskander that...that doesn't affect my capacity to enjoy this sight, although it really gets tiresome to have that kind of rinse and repeat. If I'm this tolerant at my old age (and believe me I don't want to put up with this crap anymore that those who complain about a paid shit poster in a propaganda outlet, that has less readers than I have had women, and that's really bad btw) why can't some people not just move along. There are people who will take steps to prove or disprove shit posting. However in Mil's case you can't exactly try and tie him down to that. I mean we had Dfarce post crap here he never got flak from upstairs from that, although he was doing that on purpose.

    Now the rest is just we being polite to eachother.

    All I want to say is that we're on the same side, we shouldn't start slugging it out like there was an infestation of traitors in the hen coop.

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    Re: Talking bollocks thread

    Post  VladimirSahin on Mon Jun 13, 2016 5:11 am

    GarryB,
    Obviously the war started off as a rebellion on its own, at this point Russia didn't support this armed rebellion, how ever slowly after the Ukrainian government sloppily murdered people in the east and denied them rights, and discriminated against them, Russia armed and trained them. Once that wasn't working (obviously Ukraine has a way large armed forces and more equipment then the rebels) it is apparent that Russia for a short period deployed atleast a few battalions to f*ck up the Ukrainian offensives, and counter attacked. How ever claims of the DPR/LPR being Russian started is total bullsh*t.

    30,000 troops in the DPR/LPR you're telling me these numbers are majority Russian citizens or Russian army? Of course not. How ever, apparent from LPR troops in llovaisk posing on a T-90 near the air port(this is one piece of evidence). Russian armored battalion tactical groups or motor battalion groups have been deployed. I doubt the 12,000 or 8,000 numbers given, but it is obvious battalions have been deployed. This does not make the Ukrainian cause right at all, nor justify them. They have an illegal government formed by f*cktards. Now they're busy licking NATO as*. Russian special forces are actively training and advising troops. How ever as you can see in this minsk 2 ceasefire, the Ukrainian cyborgs are shelling DPR/LPR and OSCE assh*ats are barely reporting it. While Ukraine's government gets credit when our DPR/LPR boys return fire in way less intensity. Anyways, I hope Poroshenko sends his troops for ATO part 3: The Finale. Where DPR/LPR extend its borders a few hundred KMs westwards.

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    Re: Talking bollocks thread

    Post  GarryB on Mon Jun 13, 2016 6:03 am

    The knee-jerk reaction from some members is abysmal. He posted an 'it's so bad it's good' article with a clear sarcastic underlining. it wasn't the first time this has happened. I myself have been posting worse, for s*** and giggles.

    There is a humour thread if he thought it was supposed to be amusing.

    If it was supposed to be so wrong it is funny, why did he respond the way he did... why not laugh it off?

    As for "the Ukraine issue". You have had elements of the 98th and 234th VDV which have been in Ukraine as part of the JCCC. IS this going to be enough Russians in Ukraine.

    Oh dear god... you are joking right?

    The SMM has been monitoring the creation and work of the Joint Centre for Control and Co-ordination (JCCC), established by the Ministry of Defence of Ukraine in co-operation with military representatives of the Russian Federation. The SMM hopes that the JCCC will help to establish an effective and durable ceasefire and put an end to the armed confrontation in eastern Ukraine.

    Perhaps the presence of VDV peacekeepers in South Ossetia and Abkhazia means the georgian attack on the former was fully justified?

    You have serial numbers of active Russian troops being being photographed on rifles by the guys them selves, in Donetsk. If there's one thing that doesn't need explanation it is the fact that a Russian soldier doesn't give his registered weapon to someone else. In stark contrast with most rifles in Ukraine that were marked for armory storage, the issued rifles have various id means (including in the case of one SVD-S the freaking V-number of the razvedchik) which entail among others the holdover data for the rifle (taped on receiver, upper handguard).

    Russian soldiers going AWOL with weapons means nothing... there were plenty of other non locals there too including French and other nationalities... can we claim the ilegal forces from Kiev are being attacked by the entire EU?

    I mean we had Dfarce post crap here he never got flak from upstairs from that, although he was doing that on purpose.

    Some members post crap all the time... and because of that no one really pays attention to what they post. When a more respected member posts shit and then complains because some members object to that sort of rubbish then I notice. I didn't read the article he linked to, I just read the quote he posted and thought if that was an example of the quality of the article he was linking to I didn't want to know anything else about the article but what I did want to know was why he thought posting that on a sensible thread was a good idea... and why he thought defending posting that shit on a sensible thread was a good idea too.

    I though I was clear about that in my replies... I said if other respected members had posted such dribble I would have responded the same... the difference is that I suspect other respected members would have not gone apeshit and defended such a stupid thing to the point of threatening to leave the forum.

    The Finale. Where DPR/LPR extend its borders a few hundred KMs westwards.

    Personally I think Russia should offer sanctuary to those who want to leave and then build a wall and let them fight each other. Anything comes over the wall its source will be located and destroyed.

    I am glad we are all keeping on topic in this thread.... if you know what I mean Twisted Evil


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    Re: Talking bollocks thread

    Post  VladimirSahin on Mon Jun 13, 2016 6:23 am

    I almost forgot we could talk bollocks here, well then let me de-charge my rage in a quick rant.

    Why is it that westerners' countries fu*king arm terrorists world wide and they are considered angels, but when Russia supports a people who have been obviously targeted by discrimination and weapons of large calibers Russia is fu*king bad? Sure the same could be argued for about the Syrian rebels, how ever most of these rebels are mostly fu*king terrorists from other nations. And how the f*ck can the US build a base on YPG which is literally like a Kosovo just YPG isn't fighting the government. Also, how the f*ck are westerners looking at what happened in Kiev as fucking legal? God damn Ukropi people who decided that EU will save them look what happened? Where is the EU now? Anyways I hope that Kiev's government is f*cking torn to pieces in the coming years.

    I also hope that these sanctions reverse and go straight up the nations who imposed them. Russia will survive, and the worst of the sanctions are over, and no matter what Russia will always support DPR/LPR Twisted Evil and Crimea will always be Russian. I hope this was the appropriate thread to post such a rant, but I'm sick of westerners being able to bash Russia on forums and get away with it. yes sir

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    Re: Talking bollocks thread

    Post  max steel on Thu Jun 30, 2016 10:30 am

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    max steel wrote:I've seen the same David Axe link on other forums too where people were laughing at his BS  but boy oh boy this forum turned it into a trainwreck. When I joined 2 years back this forum had good contributors but slowly it's turning into _ . lol1

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    Re: Talking bollocks thread

    Post  Vann7 on Tue Jul 05, 2016 3:02 pm

    @GunshipDemocracy

    This is very simple .. just tell me where does you money goes whenever you have opportunity
    to buy something you want? and from all the things you have in your house.. Name me one
    that was made -designed by Russia?   No


    take a look at the things i got ,with hard earned money.


    South Korea

    similar display than this. from LG






    Japan..

    http://www.flatpanelshd.com/pictures/sonybdps5100-1l.jpg
    https://images-na.ssl-images-amazon.com/images/I/61UC0EnXgSL._SL1200_.jpg

    https://cnet2.cbsistatic.com/hub/i/r/2013/11/11/b8024faa-67c2-11e3-a665-14feb5ca9861/thumbnail/770x433/9950a2a4963556720727f9c8dde65f20/Sony_PS4_35618167_01.jpg

    America

    http://www.kitchencabinetsandbeyond.com

    http://static3.gamespot.com/uploads/scale_super/1179/11799911/2921921-halo5.jpg

    https://s2.bukalapak.com/img/1/5/6/5/3/5/1/8/2/medium/67757_60ec2104-5fe8-417e-ae34-a9240c76683d.jpg


    http://static1.gamespot.com/uploads/screen_kubrick/1365/13658182/3063768-nvidiageforcegtx1080_review_promo_20160516.jpg


    If you want clothing ,or music ? or movies ?which country will get your money?

    The countries that gets your money , are countries that influence you.


    how about restaurants ..? which are your favorite restaurants? i bet none of them
    are Russian.

    Ukrainians really love American culture.. Entertainment CREATES Culture.

    how they influenced.?



    then lets see how Russia influence ukrainians and the world..

    Then How Russia influence the world?  Neutral
    definitively not with this.



    neither with this..

    http://www.russiawanderer.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/04/russian-dance.jpg

    When people talk about the Russian culture , talks in reality about the past.
    So what is wrong with the present ? Why not create a new culture?

    neither this.


    neither this .. (only creates nationalism and nothing else and ignored quick by the world)




    Russia major problem is that the things Putin really likes ,to promote
    from Russia to the world..





    that the average society don't really care.
    Because it give them NOTHING ,they can use or benefit from it.



    Putin have tried to sell Russia image in the world , around selling cheap energy and materials.
    and around its traditional family values (which is not bad as long is the only thing you offer)
    and around is glorious soviet past ,and Russian empire past.  Rolling Eyes

    and in the things that it really can make a major difference ,because
    already have those capabilities.. ie.. SPACE.. is not taking it seriously and is
    happy to be taxi to the ISS and allows americans to steal the show with its
    mars and jupiter probe mission.   lol1  

    And totally ignoring ,the way Americans Business influence the world.

    When a country as tiny as South Korea is seen as more developed than Russia , then there have to be something really really wrong with the economic model / business in Russia.

    Putin since came to power.. all he have been doing is trying to Lead in Energy
    ,create a monopoly of oil and gas ,and rare materials. Things that while is good for money,
    is not that good for nation world wide influence.  and promote nationalism
    based on soviet victory , No Why not promote nationalism based on Russia present?
    Now the Dinosaur president ,wants to make Russia the world leading exporter
    of healthy food.  



    is like he live in another planet and not aware of the world he live. A world where technology
    and entertainment and space exploration takes all the bells and whistles and but not ignoring
    the human rights and freedom. the last one being the only reasons Americans losing influence

    While Putin promotes the soviet good days, the soviet culture. Culture = Entertainment habits.
    The Russian young generation promotes the western culture. Laughing



    And how can anyone blame them? I can understand the worship of American/japanese culture.
    Because is a modern culture ,that live In the PRESENT ,and not in the past . Is even
    interesting to notice how American Entertainment industry ,is constantly shaping the culture of the nation .While Russia continue singing its Katyuska soviet song. Rolling Eyes American culture (and japanese/european) dominate the Ukrainians and RUssians with their entertainment.



    Russia is not going to promote being taken seriously in the world , by being the major exporter of healthy food. or by being #1 country in sports.  what are they thinking?  Neutral

    Only things like this..  LEADING!!!




    or this..




    and this ...



    is what will help Russia become a respected nation in the world again, and start attracting
    nations to become closer to Russia. and the most unthinkable thing will happen. Sanctions
    will end. Because Americans will see ,for the first time , it really needs Russia.   Wink
    and that it could benefit enormously by making an alliance with a nation that leads and
    dominates in space.


    If Russia leads again in Space ,as soviets did . Being FIRST again,
    The entire world will be so happy celebrating the success of Russia leading in space,
    that it will be IMPOSSIBLE for americans to continue with its Russia aggression rhetoric
    and they will have to back down in their cold war. and recognize Russia have a place
    in the world.   russia


    and this is when a LOT of European nations will want to be part of the Russia
    economic block. and this is when Russia will be incredibly filthy rich with business
    offers ,advertisements in the moon ,tourism in the moon. American companies will be fighting
    with European ones for business with Russia in space..  Cool

    this is when Russia economy will sky rocket ,and then Then Ukrainians will no longer want to be part of the Euro ,but will REVERSE their preference and "will feel more Russian"    lol1
    after evaluating things again. When Russia becomes a powerful economy with powerful business ,leading power in space and technology again.


    if Russia manage to compete seriously against Microsoft, Intel ,Apple or nvidia ,then
    the whole thing will change , and no longer Americans leadership will be need in the world.
    and many European countries will join Russia lead.  

    Is all about leading where it counts. in technology , or in space technology or in entertainment technology.  Sports what a waste of money. It does not produce anything new . is good to have it. but spending too much money on it so much is a waste. Sochi for example could have been better dedicated to enertainment theme parks instead and not sport Olympics. as Orlando Disney in America and even attract even more tourist with the huge money invested.


    had Russia was a very influential nation in the world in Business that society love,technology and space. Russia will not even have a need to have a single nuke at all. just like Japan does not need nukes and does not need to win in sports to be recognized as a leader. This is because their business alone , will be so powerful and attractive , that it will be impossible for any American or western Government to sanctions it.  Just exactly as it will be impossible to sanction Japan Entertainment business in the world. That have become almost a World wide culture for young generations of society.  Shocked  Wink



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    Re: Talking bollocks thread

    Post  sepheronx on Tue Jul 05, 2016 5:26 pm

    Such a shame that incompetent people in knowledge of economy like Vann rely on stupidity on concept of superficial things he sees around him, like TV sets. He doesn't realize though that the laser used in disk readers were designed in Soviet Union. He also fails to acknowledge that most we use today in chemistry to make all that stuff comes from Russia (periodic table as example). Or he also fails to see how Russia's contribution to space development for US and EU in everything from rockets to rovers to satellites have many Russian subcomponents.

    Whatever, I am done with this forums as well I think. It is beyond me why we allow such people to flood the forums, degrading it with incoherent rants. I will stick around to read but I don't think I will contribute anymore.

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    Re: Talking bollocks thread

    Post  PapaDragon on Tue Jul 05, 2016 5:39 pm

    sepheronx wrote:...................

    Whatever, I am done with this forums as well I think.  It is beyond me why we allow such people to flood the forums, degrading it with incoherent rants.  I will stick around to read but I don't think I will contribute anymore.

    Agreed, this place has turned to crap long ago. Trolls flood the place with trash which convinces both frequent users and casual lurkers to avoid this forum but mods just ignore and support them.

    I am done too. I will be keeping account for the sake of ignore function but I have finished with wasting my time posting content here.

    Enjoy Ultron's company and his intelligent contributions.

    Adios!

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    Re: Talking bollocks thread

    Post  Vann7 on Tue Jul 05, 2016 6:15 pm

    sepheronx wrote:Such a shame that incompetent people in knowledge of economy like Vann rely on stupidity on concept of superficial things he sees around him, like TV sets.  He doesn't realize though that the laser used in disk readers were designed in Soviet Union.  He also fails to acknowledge that most we use today in chemistry to make all that stuff comes from Russia (periodic table as example).  Or he also fails to see how Russia's contribution to space development for US and EU in everything from rockets to rovers to satellites have many Russian subcomponents.

    Whatever, I am done with this forums as well I think.  It is beyond me why we allow such people to flood the forums, degrading it with incoherent rants.  I will stick around to read but I don't think I will contribute anymore.


    @Seph..

    It doesn't matter who did what first, are you kidding me? What does that have to do with
    business? Im not discussing who have the biggest brains.. Russia have incredibly ,talented
    scientist and engineers. The problem is the Mediocre Government ,that focus largely the model of its economy around business that will not help Russia in  way ,to become influential nation in the world. and its interest respected by Europe. specially in Ukraine. ^^

    Please explain me Seph.. What have caused the economic problems of Russia?
    the recession it face today ?  does it was because Russian business were bad? NO.
    Russia economic problems today , is consequence of economic war of the americans.
    And it is the lack of Leadership ,the lack of Russia business influence over Europe and the world, what allows Americans to hit Russia the way it does.  Americans tells Europe to pick which side
    they want to follow ,and Russia is not chosen. obviously because it doesn't have anything
    to replace americans business. Nothing to replace American internet. Nothing to replace Microsoft,Intel or Apple , nothing to replace American entertainment industry.

    It doesn't matter Seph who manufacture anything ,what matters is which company designed it ,that dominates and LEADS.who Controls what. and who follows.
    Europe follows American business, business leads politics ,it leads everything. Russia follows American Business. otherwise will nationalize its bank and stop using dollars.

    then how in hell you expect Russia economy to take off ever ,if its business does not compete with the american ones and leads ,and does not offers an alternative to the american business?   

    You can be discussing all day , central bank this ,central bank that , 5th column this or that ,
    "Traitors" here or there. but thats only looking at the superficial things. all that is irrelevant.
    In the end people are owners of their actions , and people only follow what they consider the
    the best. What is leading.

    As long Russian people are influenced by American culture
    Russian business influenced by American ones , and  russian bank follower of the americans banks ,then Russia will continue with more and more economic problems. because the LEADER  AMericans above them will sabotage any progress of Russia economy. more and more sanctions Russia will get. then all your magic economic formulas will go to the toilet. Because do not
    see there is a war of Influence ,what is really happening in the world between Americans
    and Russia ,and Russia not doing well.

    Putin wants to be #1 exporter of organic food? in what way all that will matter if american later  lure away any Russian clients through blackmail?   Neutral

    Now Russia defense industry is under American sanctions too..
    So any country who buys Russian weapons will be subject to Americans retaliation.
    Only Major nations like China or India and few others will be able to disobey.
      

    Is an influence problem Seph. Americans pull Europe away of Russia and Russia pulls
    Europe back but with a clear domination of Americans.  and US use its business and economic
    dominance to make Europe do anything they want. But none of this problems will exist ,had Russia focused in creating business that competes with American ones. as well as Russia do in
    space. because that will allow European nations to move away and join the Russian economic block including Ukraine. If they had a real alternative to many of American business.

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    Re: Talking bollocks thread

    Post  Project Canada on Tue Jul 05, 2016 9:08 pm

    PapaDragon wrote:
    sepheronx wrote:...................

    Whatever, I am done with this forums as well I think.  It is beyond me why we allow such people to flood the forums, degrading it with incoherent rants.  I will stick around to read but I don't think I will contribute anymore.

    Agreed, this place has turned to crap long ago. Trolls flood the place with trash which convinces both frequent users and casual lurkers to avoid this forum but mods just ignore and support them.

    I am done too. I will be keeping account for the sake of ignore function but I have finished with wasting my time posting content here.

    Enjoy Ultron's company and his intelligent contributions.  

    Adios!

    What if they are part of CIA's troll army to degrade Russian forums on the net to unintelligible shthole it is now (thanks to them) and discourage people from participating? Their attempts are pretty obvious. Anyways I have my own plan to strike back at the United Snakes of A. Hint: focus on the offense. A little anti american propaganda here and there wouldn't cost you guys a lot of your spare time. Stir up people's anger towards America etc. I am already boycotting American products for as much as I can, with every opportunity.

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    Re: Talking bollocks thread

    Post  GunshipDemocracy on Tue Jul 05, 2016 9:37 pm

    sepheronx wrote: Whatever, I am done with this forums as well I think.  It is beyond me why we allow such people to flood the forums, degrading it with incoherent rants.  I will stick around to read but I don't think I will contribute anymore.

    Sorry to hear that Seph, appreciated your contribution anyway and hope you reconsider your decision  Smile

    As for Vann he is well kinda of childish living in fantasy world where everything is black and white but IMHO he is no troll jut to young to understand.



    PapaDragon wrote: Agreed, this place has turned to crap long ago. Trolls flood the place with trash which convinces both frequent users and casual lurkers to avoid this forum but mods just ignore and support them.

    I am done too. I will be keeping account for the sake of ignore function but I have finished with wasting my time posting content here.

    Enjoy Ultron's company and his intelligent contributions.  

    Adios!

    oh no not you again! damn you guys, worthy contributors should not leave

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