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    Re: Talking bollocks thread

    Post  navyfield on Tue Sep 23, 2014 3:59 pm

    By the time Russians do create a serious navy ,there wont be any countries to defend Laughing ..,theyll all be toppled by usa and become puppets, but that is a-ok according to garry tongue
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    Re: Talking bollocks thread

    Post  medo on Tue Sep 23, 2014 4:06 pm

    navyfield wrote:By the time Russians do create a serious navy ,there wont be any countries to defend Laughing ..,theyll all be toppled by usa and become puppets, but  that is a-ok according to garry tongue

    Not really. Russia is continental power and they don't have any global aspirations. Russia doesn't want to have global empire or to enslave the whole World as US does. Naval counterpower to US is China and China also need resources from other parts of the World. It is only a meter of time, when US and China will be in big war for resources. And there is also India.
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    Re: Talking bollocks thread

    Post  Mike E on Tue Sep 23, 2014 4:09 pm

    navyfield wrote:By the time Russians do create a serious navy ,there wont be any countries to defend Laughing ..,theyll all be toppled by usa and become puppets, but  that is a-ok according to garry tongue
    They already have a "serious" navy, denying that would be idiocy. The only country they care about defending is themselves, and they could do fine sooo.... US has already toppled most countries anyway, and simply "building a serious navy" isn't going to stop them. - They don't even have to invade a country, they can just buy a politician or two and there you go!
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    Re: Talking bollocks thread

    Post  navyfield on Tue Sep 23, 2014 4:09 pm

    these are a few russian allies!!! were talking about left in the world , and without any country to trade with russia wont be a regional power ,but whatever makes you sleep at night....
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    Re: Talking bollocks thread

    Post  KomissarBojanchev on Tue Sep 23, 2014 4:35 pm

    medo wrote:
    navyfield wrote:By the time Russians do create a serious navy ,there wont be any countries to defend Laughing ..,theyll all be toppled by usa and become puppets, but  that is a-ok according to garry tongue

    Not really. Russia is continental power and they don't have any global aspirations. Russia doesn't want to have global empire or to enslave the whole World as US does. Naval counterpower to US is China and China also need resources from other parts of the World. It is only a meter of time, when US and China will be in big war for resources. And there is also India.
    But russia should be the global defender against western neocon imperialism. For example the US wouldn't be even thinking of invading syria, iran or (earlier serbia for that matter) if russia had a pair of kirovs and 3-4 gorshkovs routinely patrolling the east mediterranean
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    Re: Talking bollocks thread

    Post  TR1 on Tue Sep 23, 2014 5:12 pm

    navyfield wrote:these are a few russian allies!!! were talking about left in the world , and without any country to trade with russia wont be a regional power ,but whatever makes you sleep at night....

    You DO know Russia makes the majority of its income from trade from trading not with its several decrepit "allies" but with the "non-allies" of the world like Europe?

    Your geopolitics is as bad as your technical knowledge.

    I don't want to pay taxes in the future to maintain 50 Gorshkovs and 10 carriers needed to protect black holes like Cuba or Syria.
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    Re: Talking bollocks thread

    Post  TR1 on Tue Sep 23, 2014 5:13 pm

    KomissarBojanchev wrote:
    medo wrote:
    navyfield wrote:By the time Russians do create a serious navy ,there wont be any countries to defend Laughing ..,theyll all be toppled by usa and become puppets, but  that is a-ok according to garry tongue

    Not really. Russia is continental power and they don't have any global aspirations. Russia doesn't want to have global empire or to enslave the whole World as US does. Naval counterpower to US is China and China also need resources from other parts of the World. It is only a meter of time, when US and China will be in big war for resources. And there is also India.
    But russia should be the global defender against western neocon imperialism. For example the US wouldn't be even thinking of invading syria, iran or (earlier serbia for that matter) if russia had a pair of kirovs and 3-4 gorshkovs routinely patrolling the east mediterranean

    Baloney. If half the Russian navy was currently in the Mediterranean, the US would still strike Syria.
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    Re: Talking bollocks thread

    Post  TR1 on Tue Sep 23, 2014 5:14 pm

    KomissarBojanchev wrote:The more russian ships stay for ultralong periods in drydocks do more this gives NATO the go-ahaed to invade a russian overseas ally. I wouldn't be surprised if the west invades and opresses cuba, venezuela if the current number of active ships in the RuN stays the same.

    Don't say "but topol".

    Topols, SS-18s, etc. didn't stop NATO from still brutally violating other nations yesterday, and it won't stop them from violating tomorrow unless russia has a long range surface naval reaction force capable of disabling together at least 1 NATO CAG, active 24/7 to block NATO anytime the neocons are thinking about "spreading democracy and european values" to another country.


    Cuba is doing a good job of oppressing itself, no need for the US to invade.
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    Re: Talking bollocks thread

    Post  magnumcromagnon on Tue Sep 23, 2014 5:17 pm

    TR1 wrote:
    KomissarBojanchev wrote:The more russian ships stay for ultralong periods in drydocks do more this gives NATO the go-ahaed to invade a russian overseas ally. I wouldn't be surprised if the west invades and opresses cuba, venezuela if the current number of active ships in the RuN stays the same.

    Don't say "but topol".

    Topols, SS-18s, etc. didn't stop NATO from still brutally violating other nations yesterday, and it won't stop them from violating tomorrow unless russia has a long range surface naval reaction force capable of disabling together at least 1 NATO CAG, active 24/7 to block NATO anytime the neocons are thinking about "spreading democracy and european values" to another country.


    Cuba is doing a good job of oppressing itself, no need for the US to invade.

    Gitmo is such a bastion of freedom in Cuba. Rolling Eyes
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    Re: Talking bollocks thread

    Post  TR1 on Tue Sep 23, 2014 5:20 pm

    magnumcromagnon wrote:
    TR1 wrote:
    KomissarBojanchev wrote:The more russian ships stay for ultralong periods in drydocks do more this gives NATO the go-ahaed to invade a russian overseas ally. I wouldn't be surprised if the west invades and opresses cuba, venezuela if the current number of active ships in the RuN stays the same.

    Don't say "but topol".

    Topols, SS-18s, etc. didn't stop NATO from still brutally violating other nations yesterday, and it won't stop them from violating tomorrow unless russia has a long range surface naval reaction force capable of disabling together at least 1 NATO CAG, active 24/7 to block NATO anytime the neocons are thinking about "spreading democracy and european values" to another country.


    Cuba is doing a good job of oppressing itself, no need for the US to invade.

    Gitmo is such a bastion of freedom in Cuba. Rolling Eyes

    Yes, let us compare an isolated prison to the absolute hole an entire nation has been due to laughable failed "socialism".
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    Re: Talking bollocks thread

    Post  magnumcromagnon on Tue Sep 23, 2014 5:23 pm

    TR1 wrote:
    magnumcromagnon wrote:
    TR1 wrote:
    KomissarBojanchev wrote:The more russian ships stay for ultralong periods in drydocks do more this gives NATO the go-ahaed to invade a russian overseas ally. I wouldn't be surprised if the west invades and opresses cuba, venezuela if the current number of active ships in the RuN stays the same.

    Don't say "but topol".

    Topols, SS-18s, etc. didn't stop NATO from still brutally violating other nations yesterday, and it won't stop them from violating tomorrow unless russia has a long range surface naval reaction force capable of disabling together at least 1 NATO CAG, active 24/7 to block NATO anytime the neocons are thinking about "spreading democracy and european values" to another country.


    Cuba is doing a good job of oppressing itself, no need for the US to invade.

    Gitmo is such a bastion of freedom in Cuba. Rolling Eyes

    Yes, let us compare an isolated prison to the absolute hole an entire nation has been due to laughable failed "socialism".

    Much better argument then relying on twitter, facebook, livejournal posts to prove points like your accustomed to. lol1
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    Re: Talking bollocks thread

    Post  Werewolf on Tue Sep 23, 2014 5:58 pm

    TR1 wrote:
    magnumcromagnon wrote:
    TR1 wrote:
    KomissarBojanchev wrote:The more russian ships stay for ultralong periods in drydocks do more this gives NATO the go-ahaed to invade a russian overseas ally. I wouldn't be surprised if the west invades and opresses cuba, venezuela if the current number of active ships in the RuN stays the same.

    Don't say "but topol".

    Topols, SS-18s, etc. didn't stop NATO from still brutally violating other nations yesterday, and it won't stop them from violating tomorrow unless russia has a long range surface naval reaction force capable of disabling together at least 1 NATO CAG, active 24/7 to block NATO anytime the neocons are thinking about "spreading democracy and european values" to another country.


    Cuba is doing a good job of oppressing itself, no need for the US to invade.

    Gitmo is such a bastion of freedom in Cuba. Rolling Eyes

    Yes, let us compare an isolated prison to the absolute hole an entire nation has been due to laughable failed "socialism".

    Ohh yes "socialism" failed, not because the country is since several decades under embargoo and can not therefor develope trade to other countries like any other country.
    Socialism didn't failed it is what is loved in our western countries, we just were raised to hate the terms socialism and communism but we are the onces who love having such aspects in our countries, like subsidized healthcare, schooling in some european countries and canada free housing for people who can not work. Yes we love to have such shit but this bastard Socialists....
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    Re: Talking bollocks thread

    Post  navyfield on Tue Sep 23, 2014 6:04 pm

    tr1 defeated in his own game... priceless Razz
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    Re: Talking bollocks thread

    Post  KomissarBojanchev on Tue Sep 23, 2014 6:09 pm

    TR1 wrote:
    magnumcromagnon wrote:
    TR1 wrote:
    KomissarBojanchev wrote:The more russian ships stay for ultralong periods in drydocks do more this gives NATO the go-ahaed to invade a russian overseas ally. I wouldn't be surprised if the west invades and opresses cuba, venezuela if the current number of active ships in the RuN stays the same.

    Don't say "but topol".

    Topols, SS-18s, etc. didn't stop NATO from still brutally violating other nations yesterday, and it won't stop them from violating tomorrow unless russia has a long range surface naval reaction force capable of disabling together at least 1 NATO CAG, active 24/7 to block NATO anytime the neocons are thinking about "spreading democracy and european values" to another country.


    Cuba is doing a good job of oppressing itself, no need for the US to invade.

    Gitmo is such a bastion of freedom in Cuba. Rolling Eyes

    Yes, let us compare an isolated prison to the absolute hole an entire nation has been due to laughable failed "socialism".
    Aww the oligarchic neoliberal propaganda bullshit just started spewing again.

    BTW cuba is doing a much better job at giving (not to mention good quality) healthcare to its citizens than all the "free market and democratic" chicago boy ruined junta states in latin america.
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    Re: Talking bollocks thread

    Post  Mike E on Tue Sep 23, 2014 7:46 pm

    navyfield wrote:tr1 defeated in his own game... priceless Razz
    Like you have not....

    TR1 wrote:Yes, let us compare an isolated prison to the absolute hole an entire nation has been due to laughable failed "socialism".
    Gitmo is *worse* than your "everyday prison", you have to admit that... Saying this as a person 100% opposed to Socialism (Werewolf can attest to that), Cuba wasn't Socialist... Might as well argue that the CCCP and China were/are Communist, it simply isn't true. They were/are intervening forms of government, and not much more... On a side-note, Cuba "tried" to become Communist not Socialist.

    Off Topic

    Let's get back on topic before this thread gets trashed like the Gorshkov one.
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    Re: Talking bollocks thread

    Post  TR1 on Tue Sep 23, 2014 7:56 pm

    magnumcromagnon wrote:
    TR1 wrote:
    magnumcromagnon wrote:
    TR1 wrote:
    KomissarBojanchev wrote:The more russian ships stay for ultralong periods in drydocks do more this gives NATO the go-ahaed to invade a russian overseas ally. I wouldn't be surprised if the west invades and opresses cuba, venezuela if the current number of active ships in the RuN stays the same.

    Don't say "but topol".

    Topols, SS-18s, etc. didn't stop NATO from still brutally violating other nations yesterday, and it won't stop them from violating tomorrow unless russia has a long range surface naval reaction force capable of disabling together at least 1 NATO CAG, active 24/7 to block NATO anytime the neocons are thinking about "spreading democracy and european values" to another country.


    Cuba is doing a good job of oppressing itself, no need for the US to invade.

    Gitmo is such a bastion of freedom in Cuba. Rolling Eyes

    Yes, let us compare an isolated prison to the absolute hole an entire nation has been due to laughable failed "socialism".

    Much better argument then relying on twitter, facebook, livejournal posts to prove points like your accustomed to. lol1

    Awww, someone is butthurt Russian vehicles were exposed in Ukraine Sad .
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    Re: Talking bollocks thread

    Post  TR1 on Tue Sep 23, 2014 7:57 pm

    Werewolf wrote:
    TR1 wrote:
    magnumcromagnon wrote:
    TR1 wrote:
    KomissarBojanchev wrote:The more russian ships stay for ultralong periods in drydocks do more this gives NATO the go-ahaed to invade a russian overseas ally. I wouldn't be surprised if the west invades and opresses cuba, venezuela if the current number of active ships in the RuN stays the same.

    Don't say "but topol".

    Topols, SS-18s, etc. didn't stop NATO from still brutally violating other nations yesterday, and it won't stop them from violating tomorrow unless russia has a long range surface naval reaction force capable of disabling together at least 1 NATO CAG, active 24/7 to block NATO anytime the neocons are thinking about "spreading democracy and european values" to another country.


    Cuba is doing a good job of oppressing itself, no need for the US to invade.

    Gitmo is such a bastion of freedom in Cuba. Rolling Eyes

    Yes, let us compare an isolated prison to the absolute hole an entire nation has been due to laughable failed "socialism".

    Ohh yes "socialism" failed, not because the country is since several decades under embargoo and can not therefor develope trade to other countries like any other country.
    Socialism didn't failed it is what is loved in our western countries, we just were raised to hate the terms socialism and communism but we are the onces who love having such aspects in our countries, like subsidized healthcare, schooling in some european countries and canada free housing for people who can not work. Yes we love to have such shit but this bastard Socialists....

    Oh I see, so it is America's fault.

    Not socialism, which supposedly will replace capitalism and doesn't need the Imperialists to work.
    And you know damn well what I mean when I say socialism in respect to Cuba. It is not European socialism.

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    Re: Talking bollocks thread

    Post  TR1 on Tue Sep 23, 2014 8:00 pm

    KomissarBojanchev wrote:
    TR1 wrote:
    magnumcromagnon wrote:
    TR1 wrote:
    KomissarBojanchev wrote:The more russian ships stay for ultralong periods in drydocks do more this gives NATO the go-ahaed to invade a russian overseas ally. I wouldn't be surprised if the west invades and opresses cuba, venezuela if the current number of active ships in the RuN stays the same.

    Don't say "but topol".

    Topols, SS-18s, etc. didn't stop NATO from still brutally violating other nations yesterday, and it won't stop them from violating tomorrow unless russia has a long range surface naval reaction force capable of disabling together at least 1 NATO CAG, active 24/7 to block NATO anytime the neocons are thinking about "spreading democracy and european values" to another country.


    Cuba is doing a good job of oppressing itself, no need for the US to invade.

    Gitmo is such a bastion of freedom in Cuba. Rolling Eyes

    Yes, let us compare an isolated prison to the absolute hole an entire nation has been due to laughable failed "socialism".
    Aww the oligarchic neoliberal propaganda bullshit just started spewing again.

    BTW cuba is doing a much better job at giving (not to mention good quality) healthcare to its citizens than all the "free market and democratic" chicago boy ruined junta states in latin america.

    Oligarchs are not neoliberal. In any half functioning country the sort of money concentration and theft that was performed, and continues to be performed in Russia would be prosecuted.

    Cuba's healthcare is 1.) vastly overated and 2.) the only damn thing you can say that even slightly works about the country. Everything else sucks.
    It was a drain on the USSR, and tell me one thing it has provided Russia since 1991.

    I would rather live in just about any other Latin American state than Cuba.

    I actually know many RUSSIANS who have been over. Man, were they disappointed at the "Isle of freedom" rofl \.
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    Post  TR1 on Tue Sep 23, 2014 8:00 pm

    navyfield wrote:tr1 defeated in his own game... priceless Razz

    You not responding to any time people call you out on your BS is priceless.

    Still waiting on your sources regarding submarine noise and turning ability.
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    Post  TR1 on Tue Sep 23, 2014 8:02 pm

    Mike E wrote:
    navyfield wrote:tr1 defeated in his own game... priceless Razz
    Like you have not....

    TR1 wrote:Yes, let us compare an isolated prison to the absolute hole an entire nation has been due to laughable failed "socialism".
    Gitmo is *worse* than your "everyday prison", you have to admit that... Saying this as a person 100% opposed to Socialism (Werewolf can attest to that), Cuba wasn't Socialist... Might as well argue that the CCCP and China were/are Communist, it simply isn't true. They were/are intervening forms of government, and not much more... On a side-note, Cuba "tried" to become Communist not Socialist.

    Off Topic

    Let's get back on topic before this thread gets trashed like the Gorshkov one.

    Yes like I said when I say "socialism" in regards to Cuba, it is not a blanket rejection of socialist policies as they have been applied in some liberal democracies.

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    Post  Werewolf on Tue Sep 23, 2014 8:18 pm

    TR1 wrote:
    Mike E wrote:
    navyfield wrote:tr1 defeated in his own game... priceless Razz
    Like you have not....

    TR1 wrote:Yes, let us compare an isolated prison to the absolute hole an entire nation has been due to laughable failed "socialism".
    Gitmo is *worse* than your "everyday prison", you have to admit that... Saying this as a person 100% opposed to Socialism (Werewolf can attest to that), Cuba wasn't Socialist... Might as well argue that the CCCP and China were/are Communist, it simply isn't true. They were/are intervening forms of government, and not much more... On a side-note, Cuba "tried" to become Communist not Socialist.

    Off Topic

    Let's get back on topic before this thread gets trashed like the Gorshkov one.

    Yes like I said when I say "socialism" in regards to Cuba, it is not a blanket rejection of socialist policies as they have been applied in some liberal democracies.


    You are really some funny joker.

    There were never democracies like there were never communist countries.
    Just always the same regimes moving between kleptocracy and dictatorships, no communism, no socialism no democracy.

    Democracy means Majority of people rule over minority, in all questions. Democracy does not mean to vote for some a**hole politician all people already know in advance that he is lying and then after the votes when he officially breaks his promises all people suddenly act like this is some Plot twist in some Ridley Scott movie.

    Any system you take it is always a dictatorship of some form. Democracy is dictated by majority over the minority, but we have DemocraZy which is pseudo democracy but in reality it is kleptocracy.

    Only Referendum is true democracy everything else is just sell out of own and individual opinion to people with agendas who will most probably break their promises and do what the system tells them to do.

    So yes you can screw your "liberal democracies".
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    Post  TR1 on Tue Sep 23, 2014 8:30 pm

    I will take any perversion of "liberal democracy" over Russian klepto-autocracy. Thanks.

    And I sure as hell will take it over failed Communist experiments like Cuba.
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    Re: Talking bollocks thread

    Post  medo on Tue Sep 23, 2014 8:30 pm

    KomissarBojanchev wrote:
    medo wrote:
    navyfield wrote:By the time Russians do create a serious navy ,there wont be any countries to defend Laughing ..,theyll all be toppled by usa and become puppets, but  that is a-ok according to garry tongue

    Not really. Russia is continental power and they don't have any global aspirations. Russia doesn't want to have global empire or to enslave the whole World as US does. Naval counterpower to US is China and China also need resources from other parts of the World. It is only a meter of time, when US and China will be in big war for resources. And there is also India.
    But russia should be the global defender against western neocon imperialism. For example the US wouldn't be even thinking of invading syria, iran or (earlier serbia for that matter) if russia had a pair of kirovs and 3-4 gorshkovs routinely patrolling the east mediterranean

    You take it wrong. To stand against US empire Russia doesn't need to become another empire. They have to stand firm and defend their country and their interests and take a lead in this stand against US empire and others will follow. Russia is not alone and work together with other BRICS members and they are giving an alternative to the rest of the World. With time more countries will join them and US empire will loosing its power. Good thing about BRICS is, that this is a group of five states, who are in different continents and they could make more centers of power on the World and with that multipolar World with a proper balance of power between continents.

    You are correct, Russia need serious navy, not military navy, but merchant navy to trade with the World on equal conditions. This will do far better for Russia than military bases, carriers and expeditionary forces. Russia and BRICS are giving alternative to western NWO neofashist elites, who want to enslave the whole World, also to citizens of US itself. Believe me, in coming decade US citizens will throw their own NWO neofashist elites and their empire in a new civil war and than there will be a good chance Russia and US will become again good friends and allies. Those elites also bring a lot of evil to US citizens too.
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    Re: Talking bollocks thread

    Post  KomissarBojanchev on Tue Sep 23, 2014 8:56 pm

    TR1 wrote:I will take any perversion of "liberal democracy" over Russian klepto-autocracy. Thanks.

    And I sure as hell will take it over failed Communist experiments like Cuba.
    That russian kleptocracy as you call, although it has big problems(like being in the interests of your favourite right wing "businessmen") is doing damn better than at least half of "liberal democratic" europe.

    You know what fuck "liberal democracy". I already puke whenever I read it in every western propaganda diatribe. Fuck east EU austerity liberal democracy, fuck classist british "liberal democracy", fuck american corporate lobbyist "liberal democracy", fuck skandinavian gay-muslim tolerance liberal democracy!

    Its people with your thinking that made my country into privatized dump.

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    Post  Werewolf on Tue Sep 23, 2014 9:07 pm

    TR1 wrote:I will take any perversion of "liberal democracy" over Russian klepto-autocracy. Thanks.

    And I sure as hell will take it over failed Communist experiments like Cuba.

    By the end of the day russia has more "democracy" than we have in our west and we are purely kleptocratic over here.
    While some say russia is corrupt here and there we in the west are already under the banks and have already made all laws to be legally kleptocrats. There is absolutely nothing in the west that is not corrupt from head to toe, don't see here any anti corruption laws from the oligarchs.

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