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    Re: Talking bollocks thread

    Post  sepheronx on Mon Oct 20, 2014 5:07 am

    Mike E wrote:
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    Morpheus Eberhardt wrote:Does anybody know much about the Swedish submarine story currently making the rounds?
    Well only people who know more about it are the ones inside the sub... If there is any sub at all. Most likely there is.. I will refrain from speculating and I just hope no one will end up in watery grave.

    AFAIK, it is yet another propaganda piece brought to you by the West. Absolutely no evidence points to a sub actually being there, only the word of the Swedish government as if that means anything. In fact, they seem to not believe it themselves. All the articles I've found say that the Swedes are banking on "credible sources", probably NATO's Goebbels department! So far, they have been searching without any results. I doubt the Russian government would deny a submarine accident anyway, even if they did, it would've leaked by now.

    So far, there hasn't been anything found. Only speculation. Questions I have are:
    1) If they got the comm, where is the source of it (evidence)?
    2) How come they have not found anything yet?
    3) Russia denied it, which would be major trouble for Russian gov if they were caught lying. They didn't lie about Kursk. Just poor response.

    So far, it apparently happened on Saturday. If there was a problem, the crew would be dead already. As well, there was a Russian Tanker vessel in the area and people claim that is the mothership for the minisub.

    This wouldn't be the first time Sweden claimed to have seen a Russian ship (ends up being phantom) and the Sweden military denied the so called reports.

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    Re: Talking bollocks thread

    Post  Mike E on Mon Oct 20, 2014 5:16 am

    sepheronx wrote:
    Mike E wrote:
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    Morpheus Eberhardt wrote:Does anybody know much about the Swedish submarine story currently making the rounds?
    Well only people who know more about it are the ones inside the sub... If there is any sub at all. Most likely there is.. I will refrain from speculating and I just hope no one will end up in watery grave.

    AFAIK, it is yet another propaganda piece brought to you by the West. Absolutely no evidence points to a sub actually being there, only the word of the Swedish government as if that means anything. In fact, they seem to not believe it themselves. All the articles I've found say that the Swedes are banking on "credible sources", probably NATO's Goebbels department! So far, they have been searching without any results. I doubt the Russian government would deny a submarine accident anyway, even if they did, it would've leaked by now.

    So far, there hasn't been anything found.  Only speculation.  Questions I have are:
    1) If they got the comm, where is the source of it (evidence)?
    2) How come they have not found anything yet?
    3) Russia denied it, which would be major trouble for Russian gov if they were caught lying.  They didn't lie about Kursk.  Just poor response.

    So far, it apparently happened on Saturday.  If there was a problem, the crew would be dead already.  As well, there was a Russian Tanker vessel in the area and people claim that is the mothership for the minisub.

    This wouldn't be the first time Sweden claimed to have seen a Russian ship (ends up being phantom) and the Sweden military denied the so called reports.

    Exactly.... The West is having a field-day with this one, despite the lack of anything supporting their loony claims! I was reading my favorite car site (jalopnik), who linked to an article that basically claimed that the cargo ship was a distraction for this sub. They are a part of Kinja/Gawker, but still!

    Cannot believe that they claim Russia supports crazy explanations....

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    Re: Talking bollocks thread

    Post  Mike E on Mon Oct 20, 2014 5:27 am

    This is the picture they are claiming as evidence;



    Could be a friggin' RC boat for all I care! I'm going to look for a high-res version.

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    Re: Talking bollocks thread

    Post  Werewolf on Mon Oct 20, 2014 6:57 am

    Can someone explain to me what this story is about?
    Have not heared anything so far.

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    Post  Mike E on Mon Oct 20, 2014 7:15 am

    Werewolf wrote:Can someone explain to me what this story is about?
    Have not heared anything so far.
    Supposedly a Russian submarine drifted into Swedish waters and sent a distress signal. So far no good evidence of anything has shown up, and Russia's government is denying any responsibility. This in turn created a propaganda frenzy in the West, and now the entire story has blown way up.

    Go to any large (and therefore unreliable) media source, they should have news on it.

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    Re: Talking bollocks thread

    Post  Werewolf on Mon Oct 20, 2014 7:21 am

    Mike E wrote:
    Werewolf wrote:Can someone explain to me what this story is about?
    Have not heared anything so far.
    Supposedly a Russian submarine drifted into Swedish waters and sent a distress signal. So far no good evidence of anything has shown up, and Russia's government is denying any responsibility. This in turn created a propaganda frenzy in the West, and now the entire story has blown way up.

    Go to any large (and therefore unreliable) media source, they should have news on it.

    And when does this supposedly accident happened?

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    Re: Talking bollocks thread

    Post  Mike E on Mon Oct 20, 2014 7:32 am

    Werewolf wrote:
    Mike E wrote:
    Werewolf wrote:Can someone explain to me what this story is about?
    Have not heared anything so far.
    Supposedly a Russian submarine drifted into Swedish waters and sent a distress signal. So far no good evidence of anything has shown up, and Russia's government is denying any responsibility. This in turn created a propaganda frenzy in the West, and now the entire story has blown way up.

    Go to any large (and therefore unreliable) media source, they should have news on it.

    And when does this supposedly accident happened?
    Thursday evening. - http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-29680960

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    Re: Talking bollocks thread

    Post  GarryB on Mon Oct 20, 2014 11:06 am

    The amusing thing is that during the 1980s the Swedish constantly complained their waters were being penetrated and it was only after the cold war that it was revealed that it was western subs looking for paths in and out.

    Subs sending distress calls should be fairly straight forward to find... except if they don't exist.


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    Re: Talking bollocks thread

    Post  Mike E on Mon Oct 20, 2014 9:47 pm

    GarryB wrote:The amusing thing is that during the 1980s the Swedish constantly complained their waters were being penetrated and it was only after the cold war that it was revealed that it was western subs looking for paths in and out.

    Subs sending distress calls should be fairly straight forward to find... except if they don't exist.
    You know what they say; "history repeats itself". Woke up this morning, checked the news.... and I was blinded by the propaganda! There are like a hundred thousand "Russian sub in Swedish waters" or "Russia denies sub incident in unusual ways" articles floating around. Really does piss me off, more so when the evidence is a picture of the back of a speedboat somewhere off of a Swedish coast. - Funny how a Dutch sub was in the near during exercises, talk about deja vu!

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    Re: Talking bollocks thread

    Post  sepheronx on Tue Oct 21, 2014 6:29 pm

    Apparently sweden is in full force in trying to get this sub, even threatened to use munitions. Here is the problem, the depth is 30m and it has been supposedly there since thursday... here is the other problem, doesnt the sub need to move (propulsion working) in order to get oxygen? If that is the case, then the crew would already be dead. If the vessel is working, then they would have already left the area. If people were trapped, they would have forgon patriotism to save their lives.

    So this story is far too odd. Also, happening at same moments when Russia is facing pressure from west, and being blamed for MH17 disaster all the while a ceo from France dies in Russia due to a plane crash?

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    Re: Talking bollocks thread

    Post  sepheronx on Thu Oct 23, 2014 6:26 pm

    And now: http://en.itar-tass.com/world/756135

    It appears they will blame Russia anyway when they have found nothing. This is clearly a setup to ruin Russian relations with Sweden and to increase military spending. Seems it worked. The Anti Russia stance in Europe is real scary and none needed.

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    Re: Talking bollocks thread

    Post  magnumcromagnon on Thu Oct 23, 2014 6:28 pm

    The hunt for the Lochness October lol1...


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    Re: Talking bollocks thread

    Post  G Bob on Tue Dec 02, 2014 12:44 am

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    TR1 wrote:Yeah this is a BS article.

    However, admit it, we would all laugh if Tu-160s cruise missiled the Saudi Royal family, and Russia justified it as per-emptive anti terror strikes.
    Indeed, I doubt this is true, however, it is said that, Bandar threatened President Putin to disturb Socchi games. Do not mistake, the attack of Beslam, was not comming from nowhere.
    The main responsible is USA. Before, Bandar, Russia, should strike air base F-22 in Qatar, and US air base in Egypt, and Turkey. Russia today is not what it was during Yeltsin's era.
    US understands only the language of weapon.
    We would see weapon tomorow, or in next future in Syria, this time, US air force will face with good adversary.

    USA is in bankrupcy, oligarchy has nowhere where to come, only a new war in order to divert US people from the true problem. This method is not new, it is old, for example -among thousand-when France in 1870 has greats economic, social, politic problems, in order to divert frencheese people's mind, french high responsible Thiers, Jules Ferry declare the  war against what it was believed against weak Germany.
    However, on contrary to what french high responsibles thought, well prepared -Moetke, Biskmark- Germany erased frencheese army. France in that time was humiliated.

    I think it could be the same thing this time with US and Israel, because Putin as Iran are really decided to help Syria.
    It was said also, that Saudis are preparing the war against Syria too, I think this time, Russia, or at least some russians paratroopers will be involved, Iam near sure.
    The S-300 are handled by russian soldiers.
    But the warmongers fed up with US soldiers lives, security, health, and US economy, they thought just one thing Israel. Israel is above the americans.


    I don't believe there are any US air bases in Egypt, dude! Just for clarification

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    Post  Trexonian on Tue Dec 02, 2014 12:48 am

    Hopefully at least some of OPEC would be taken out as well.

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    Post  chromatin1 on Sat Dec 13, 2014 3:07 pm

    RTN wrote:
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    India's intentions maybe good, I am not denying it. But frankly, India does not have anything to offer to Russia.

    Which is why I had stated in my earlier post that Putin spends just 30 mins in India  but 3-4 days in EU or US.  


    India has a lot to offer to Russia as well as to other countries.  But it depends on Russia.  India has the land, perfect weather for manufacturing, low cost of living, vast well trained manpower particularly Science, Engineering, and Software.  It is a democratic country where all countries are welcome.  With a man like Modi in power, there is no country in the world that can provide such a complete array of resources.  Lately, India has been the destination for Russians; 160,000 Russian tourists in Goa in 2013.  Last December, a lot of Goans told me that Russian Mafia is already there to make it smooth for Russian tourists.  Goa could be a great destination also for opening Indo-russian collaborative projects like fighter jet FGFA research and manufacturing.  With half the funding coming from India it will be an ideal site in contrast to a place like Siberia.  Think about that.

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    Post  GarryB on Sat Dec 13, 2014 10:13 pm

    My bad, but either way they are a "reliable source"... Not that I have anything against Kazakhstan.

    Hahahaha... Australia reliable?

    And even funnier talking about racism issues in Russia regarding Indians...

    In Australia the local indigenous population (Aborigines) were counted as flora and fauna in census's up until about 1967.... do you think they will think differently of Indians?

    Australia has a western based US sucking government that would cut off supplies to any country the US told them to. they will dress it up morally... it will be for the civil rights of the local indians they will be doing it for...

    BTW the Russians are introducing breeder reactors domestically... which means any amount of enriched uranium the Indians require can be produced in Russian reactors from spent fuel rods.


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    Post  Werewolf on Sat Jan 24, 2015 1:15 am

    So since i got my work out for by stomach from this i am going to share this because it will cheer anyone up, that is pure gold of stupidity which some appear never to deplete of such.

    Ken Bradshawvor

    Put one foot on top of another and ask someone to push you over. Then spread your legs and ask them to try again. Notice the increased stability of the spread legs. That is the benefit of a tail rotor over a dual rotor. I read literature that a dual rotor is more stable, but the Ka-52 has to use fly-by-wire. I can't explain it.

    I have read a lot of hype about the Ka-52 being more acrobatic, but the only test I found was a 2009 air show where it did one loop that was called ham fisted and it lost its avionics. The Apache can easily loop.

    Yes, the Ka-52 is faster.

    Some of the hype in the Ka-52 literature talks of the problem with the Apache losing a tail rotor as catastrophic - but it is not. An Apache within certain speeds will act like a plane, while damage to either rotor on a dual rotor is catastrophic - they must stay in sync.

    The articles tout the drain on the engine of a tail rotor. Now, how is a tail rotor more of a drain than an entire other rotor? The truth is that a tail rotor takes 10% of the engine. The Apache was two engines; the Ka-52 has two engines. The Ka-52 uses an engine for each rotor. The Apache keeps an engine as a redundancy. So the Apache main rotor has 90% of the efficiency of the Ka-52, plus a spare

    The mechanics for a dual rotor are complex. I am going to just assume that the more complex the mechanics are - the more chance of failure. You may disagree.

    I have read articles claiming that the Apache has better weapons and avionics than the Ka-52. I am going to assume that is just as much hype as the Ka-52 articles. The truth is that like a new suit - either aircraft can change its clothing.

    That is my reasoning. I will agree that there is literature that supports your views, but as I examine them, their logic does not stand up. Ken

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    Post  TR1 on Sat Jan 24, 2015 1:17 am

    Wow. So much fail in that. So many technical mistakes.

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    Post  Werewolf on Sat Jan 24, 2015 1:36 am

    TR1 wrote:Wow. So much fail in that. So many technical mistakes.

    My favorite is his technical knowledge and explanation of the Apache using its "2nd engine" as redundant engine... Very Happy

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    Post  TR1 on Sat Jan 24, 2015 1:44 am

    Yeah that's mind-boggling stupidity.

    A full strength and weight engine for redundancy? That would be atrocious engineering.

    lol @ his point about tail rotors. Yes...it is a drain....and the Ka-52 has none since its rotors generate lift and are not wasted to stabilize flight. That is like one of the main reasons co-ax was even selected for it.

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    Post  Morpheus Eberhardt on Fri Jan 30, 2015 11:47 pm

    Werewolf wrote:So since i got my work out for by stomach from this i am going to share this because it will cheer anyone up, that is pure gold of stupidity which some appear never to deplete of such.

    Ken Bradshawvor

    Put one foot on top of another and ask someone to push you over.  Then spread your legs and ask them to try again.  Notice the increased stability of the spread legs.  That is the benefit of a tail rotor over a dual rotor.  I read literature that a dual rotor is more stable, but the Ka-52 has to use fly-by-wire.  I can't explain it.

    I have read a lot of hype about the Ka-52 being more acrobatic, but the only test I found was a 2009 air show where it did one loop that was called ham fisted and it lost its avionics.  The Apache can easily loop.

    Yes, the Ka-52 is faster.

    Some of the hype in the Ka-52 literature talks of the problem with the Apache losing a tail rotor as catastrophic - but it is not.  An Apache within certain speeds will act like a plane, while damage to either rotor on a dual rotor is catastrophic - they must stay in sync.

    The articles tout the drain on the engine of a tail rotor.  Now, how is a tail rotor more of a drain than an entire other rotor?  The truth is that a tail rotor takes 10% of the engine.  The Apache was two engines; the Ka-52 has two engines.  The Ka-52 uses an engine for each rotor.  The Apache keeps an engine as a redundancy.  So the Apache main rotor has 90% of the efficiency of the Ka-52, plus a spare

    The mechanics for a dual rotor are complex.  I am going to just assume that the more complex the mechanics are - the more chance of failure.  You may disagree.

    I have read articles claiming that the Apache has better weapons and avionics than the Ka-52.  I am going to assume that is just as much hype as the Ka-52 articles.  The truth is that like a new suit - either aircraft can change its clothing.

    That is my reasoning.  I will agree that there is literature that supports your views, but as I examine them, their logic does not stand up.  Ken

    Thanks, Werewolf. This is a masterpiece. Did it come from mp.ret or secretprojects.co.uk?

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    Post  Werewolf on Sat Jan 31, 2015 12:00 am

    Came from a guy who claimed to be respected on "various military forums" the comment was made on the biggest military adknowledged plattform and it is....youtube comment section. Was searching for information of Tiger cockpit of HAD version on internet and came across forum with a video linked and then i watched comments under this video and this was just like a comment impossible not notice and not to laugh, unfortonately such comments get more and more even on actual forums where people proclaim lot of stuff, like once a 27 year old Vietnam Veteran...that was funny.

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    Post  VladimirSahin on Sat Jan 31, 2015 1:59 am

    Hahahaha this guy is a joke hahah I also once read on youtube the following "The M1A2 is the only tank that can be considered a jet, The M1A2 has enough armor to get shot at by T-90s all day and still survive." lol!

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    Post  Werewolf on Sat Jan 31, 2015 2:15 am

    I find it quite often funny that people without basic understanding of physics try to use some nonsense comperisions like he did with his stance and push over comperision.

    Also had one funny guy tried to argue that the M1 gas turbine can't be so bad in maintenance and stress it puts on the engine when powerd like shaft engine, because jets have the same engine...you know the same concept of engine that is connected via shaft to gearbox to drive the jet through the air and not thrust it.

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    Post  GarryB on Sat Jan 31, 2015 10:52 am

    the T-80 was the first "jet" only powered tank... I believe there was a Swedish tank that had a gas turbine and a diesel...

    The gas turbine doesn't like dust and dirt in the intake and a lot of maintainence problems is keeping the filters clean and performing well.

    Otherwise they are very simple and compact and light motors.


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