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    Military facilities accidents and disasters

    Post  Russian Patriot on Wed Jun 23, 2010 10:18 pm

    One dead, 24 injured in blast at Russian military base

    RIA Novosti

    16:16 23/06/2010 MOSCOW, June 23 (RIA Novosti) - One person was killed and at least 24 injured as ammunition exploded at a military training facility in central Russia, a Defense Ministry spokesman said on Wednesday.

    The accident occurred around 13:00 Moscow time (09:00 GMT) when two KamAZ trucks with old ammunition were being unloaded.

    Earlier on Wednesday, police authorities reported 40 people were injured.

    Col. Alexei Kuznetsov said the blast at the Ryazan artillery school about 200 km southwest of Moscow could have been caused by the spontaneous combustion of gunpowder.

    He added both trucks were gutted by fire.

    A similar incident occurred last year on November 13 at an arms depot in the city of Ulyanovsk, in Russia's Volga region. Two people were killed and dozens injured in an explosion and subsequent fire at the depot.

    Just 10 days later a new explosion occurred at the same depot, when military servicemen were loading burnt ammunition into trucks. Eight servicemen were killed and two were injured in the blast.

    http://www.globalsecurity.org/wmd/library/news/russia/2010/russia-100623-rianovosti03.htm

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    Post  GarryB on Sat Jun 26, 2010 2:32 am

    Very sad news, but the good thing is that all this old ammo is being gotten rid of.

    If handling it is so dangerous then it is probably not very safe to store it for much longer.

    Sad

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    Forest Fires Destroy Military Assets

    Post  Vladimir79 on Tue Aug 03, 2010 9:15 pm

    Forest Fires Destroy Moscow Military Base
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    Published: 3 Aug 2010 12:05


    MOSCOW - Forest fires plaguing Russia destroyed a naval logistics base outside Moscow, torching aeronautical equipment and vehicles, investigators said Aug. 3.

    The fire at the base in Kolomna, southeast of the capital, destroyed the staff headquarters, financial department, 13 warehouses containing aeronautical equipment and 17 storage areas containing vehicles, a statement from the committee investigating the blaze said.
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    "The base was affected by forest fires on July 29 and the blaze was contained on July 30 without any casualties," according to the statement.

    An investigation was underway to establish the extent of the damage and the exact circumstances leading to the blaze, the statement said.

    The fire was first reported by tabloid news website Life News, which cited sources saying the base was entirely destroyed with 200 planes torched and losses estimated at 20 billion rubles (about $670 million).

    Strategic sites have not been spared from the advance of the fires, which have killed at least 40 people amid an unprecedented heatwave.

    Hundreds of emergency workers are being sent to the city of Sarov, the location of Russia's main nuclear research facility, to ensure the top-secret site is not damaged by fires on the city's outskirts.

    http://www.defensenews.com/story.php?i=4733384&c=EUR&s=LAN


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    Post  Vladimir79 on Thu Aug 05, 2010 3:25 am

    Medvedev sacks officers over Russia fire failures

    BBC's Richard Galpin: "Twelve houses here have been completely destroyed"

    Russia's President Dmitry Medvedev has sacked several top military officials for failing to stop wildfires from destroying a naval base outside Moscow.

    He made the announcement after halting his summer holiday to return to Moscow for emergency talks on the wildfires.

    Seven regions are under a state of emergency as the fires, which have killed 48 people, continue to rage.
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    To the east of the capital firefighters are battling blazes near a major nuclear research facility in Sarov.

    As a precaution, all nuclear materials have been removed from the site, which is about 400km (250 miles) to the east of Moscow.

    "All explosive and radioactive materials have been taken away," Sergei Kiriyenko, head of Russia's nuclear agency, said after attending the emergency meeting of the national security council chaired by Mr Medvedev.

    Mr Kiriyenko said there was no risk of a nuclear disaster, and that the primary concern was the threat to expensive equipment and the suspension of important work.

    "I can guarantee that even in an extreme situation with squalling winds there is no danger to nuclear security, no threat of radiation, explosions, or environmental consequences," he said.
    Public reprimand

    Having returned to Moscow from his traditional summer break in the Black Sea resort of Sochi, Mr Medvedev announced the military sackings during a televised appearance at the Kremlin.
    Dmitry Medvedev Dmitry Medvedev warned that future incidents would also result in sackings

    Last Thursday, flames tore through the naval logistics base in Kolomna, 100km south-east of Moscow, destroying office buildings and warehouses and equipment.

    Mr Medvedev said commanders of the base were absent when the fire occurred and that it was "unclear where they were".

    As a result Mr Medvedev formally reprimanded the head of the Russian navy, Admiral Vladimir Vysotsky, and his deputy Alexander Tatarinov, accusing them of a lack of "professional responsibility" over how the fire was handled.

    He also said he had ordered the sacking of a swathe of officers including the head of the Russian navy's logistics division, Sergei Sergeyev, and Nikolai Kuklev, the head of the navy's aviation arm.

    Mr Medvedev said many other military sites across Russia were also threatened by the wildfires, and warned that if they were not properly protected by the military there would be more sackings.

    "If something similar happens in other places and departments, I will act in the same way, without any pity," Mr Medvedev said.

    Thousands of people have lost their homes in 14 regions of Russia over the past few days.

    About a fifth of Russia's grain crop has also been destroyed.

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-10871997

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    Post  GarryB on Thu Aug 05, 2010 4:17 am

    I have read that the base had old Soviet era material and was largely being used as a bone yard for stuff being sold off or scrapped.
    I hope that was the case.
    Still winter here in NZ so it is hard to appreciate the temperatures there at the moment.

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    Post  Vladimir79 on Thu Aug 05, 2010 5:36 am

    GarryB wrote:I have read that the base had old Soviet era material and was largely being used as a bone yard for stuff being sold off or scrapped.
    I hope that was the case.
    Still winter here in NZ so it is hard to appreciate the temperatures there at the moment.

    It was the primary maintenance depot for naval aviation. It housed replacement parts for most of the air assets as well containing many stored and overhauled aircraft. It was vital to keeping naval aviation going, now it is gone. The navy was already in bad enough shape, now most of the air-fleets will soon be grounded.

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    Post  GarryB on Thu Aug 05, 2010 12:16 pm

    That is bad news for the Tu-22M3 and the Su-33, but they were talking about introducing a new model with a serious upgrade for the Ka-32/27 Helix aircraft.
    I would guess that also means that would be where the stuff for the new A-42s would be stored as well.
    That is really crap news, no wonder the people in charge got the boot.
    I guess fire is always something you should plan for.
    I guess the only silver lining is that now they can perhaps take advantage of the new situation and buy all new stuff, but of course this will now come at the cost of something else they probably needed more.

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    Post  GarryB on Tue Aug 10, 2010 4:19 am

    I found this, it is an interview with Lieutenant Colonel Viktor Biront, who was the guy in charge of the base that got sacked so publicly.

    “The lieutenant colonel dismissed because of the fire relates how he and his sailors saved the air base from fire for 10 days.”

    “Relieved of duty as military base commander after the big fire, 43-year-old Lieutenant Colonel Viktor Biront tells in an exclusive interview with Life News how he and his subordinates saved the military unit from the fire.”

    “The morning of 29 July the lieutenant colonel went to the perimeter and posted people on the edge of the burning forest.”

    “’Everyone worked in the forest – both civilians and military,’ said Viktor Ivanovich. ‘I was there also, only leaving periodically to call and request help. The chiefs of Civil Defense and Emergency Situations came to evaluate the situation. Then a strong wind started – the gusts were nearly 20 meters per second – and drove everything from the depth of the forest. It was terrible to be in the fiery pockets. Here, look – hands, feet all burned. We stood on the perimeter, still 1.5 kilometers from the facility. What a terrible picture – the fire was a wall in the forest. I gave the order to evacuate. I was last to leave there, because I was shouting to the last so the boys wouldn’t die there.’”

    “According to Viktor Biront, the firemen arrived only two hours after the call.”

    “’It’s as if we don’t exist for the city: neither MChS, nor police . . . no one was with us,’ said the lieutenant colonel. ‘They saved 1.5 million dollar dachas here. There were both cordons and police there. The first help came after several hours – no matter how much I called, how much I asked. Only after a couple hours a firefighting helicopter flew in. We can’t get through there – everything’s burning, everything’s blazing . . . I quickly recounted the people. Then equipment came from Moscow, and by night a deputy defense minister arrived. It was impossible to go in. Sailors were simply suffocating in gas masks – they were saturated with smoke. I gave the command to take them off . . .’”

    “The massive fire that destroyed property worth billions of rubles was preceded by 10 days of struggle with the fire. And over these 10 days, the big bosses, despite all requests, didn’t take any clear decision about how to save the air base. In fact, saving it depended only on 40 sailors and their commander. 115 hectares – almost three per man.”

    “’I’ve been in the position for three months, they gave me this unit in May in a new composition, after reductions,’ Biront says. ‘They cut 19 officers, 36 warrants. In all 40 sailors remained, eleven sergeants and four officers – and this is all the people for such a large unit. Plus civilian personnel whom I treated with great understanding. I couldn’t send female clerks into the battle with the fire because the average age of my workers is 58-60. The pay is low, 5-7 thousand, only female pensioners who’ve worked here a long time do this work. They also helped as they could. Men came into the forest with axes and shovels – tried to stop the flames.’”

    “’The forest near the unit burned for 10 days,’ Viktor Ivanovich continues. ‘I turned to them repeatedly, high officials came, had meetings here, made plans, a certain Mr. Shumeyev – deputy for security, an ecologist came here. The sailors stood two days on the perimeter, not allowing the fire to spread. I called Civil Defense and Emergency Situations. Sometimes they gave help, but sometimes they refused. I didn’t have my own firefighting team – they eliminated it in February of this year. There was simply an ad hoc firefighting team, they dug themselves in and fought by all means. When I saw this was all very difficult – I put my non-TO&E car to use, I had to give it to the firemen. Generally, it’s use is forbidden, we used it because I had to pay money. They brought a fire engine and handed it over there. I secured a driver, whom we used to the fullest extent. We hosed, knocked down flames, in general, battling though I didn’t have specialists. We had to teach our officers who were extinguishing the fire.’”

    “’In principle, we coped with the fire the first ten days,’ says the dismissed commander. ‘I reported to Moscow by phone, by morning reports, by faxes. I asked for help. One time they gave equipment. A KamAZ came from Shcherbinka from the airport, poured out two cisterns and went back. Local civilians were all in action – villages burning, the government likewise, then they left 14 castoff portable fire extinguishers, literally the day before the conflagration. They took them from the unit two kilometers into the forest.’”

    “They didn’t manage to save the base. Viktor Biront learned about his dismissal on the television news. At this moment he’s again writing a statement in the prosecutor’s office. In this document he indicated that they managed to save property worth 40 million rubles.”

    “’My people saved the new equipment. The burned up property there had expired service lives and required repairs. But then everything was finished, all closed, but they told us we were all morons generally. Here it’s burning, and they are crawling through hell and saving equipment. I’m not defending myself, I’ve told it like it is. In theory in three months I should have cleared out everything that grew up in this forest over 60 years. Because in 60 years no one ever did anything there.’”


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    Re: Military facilities accidents and disasters

    Post  Vladimir79 on Tue Aug 10, 2010 6:22 pm

    Saved 40 million rubles, that is little more than $1 million. The loss of the base was close to $1 billion. He could at the very least have used those ten days to evacuate more equipment. He could have ordered chainsaws to cut a firebreak from the forest, something. Last words from a finished man.

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    Post  GarryB on Wed Aug 11, 2010 2:14 am

    I doubt his actions were perfect, and if he had known that after 10 days of smouldering that a sudden wind change would lead to the destruction of the base he might have done things differently, but there seems to be more problems that just the choices he made... like the cost saving actions like reducing staff numbers and removing fire fighting equipment.
    These sound like the sort of cost cutting measures that inevitably lead to disaster.
    He stated they saved the new equipment, which I think is good enough no matter what its value was, by saving it he is saving money.
    Risking lives to save equipment that is time expired and in need of repair is irresponsible.
    Someone clearly took the decision that the base was not worthy of needing a fire brigade and its personnel numbers seem to have been greatly reduced... sounds to me like it was a bone yard.
    If that is the case then it is not worth even one life to save the majority of it in my opinion.
    All this talk of getting rid of the old and obsolete and buying new... well if you are going to talk the talk, you have to walk the walk too.
    All talk and no action makes you a politician.

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    Post  Vladimir79 on Wed Aug 11, 2010 11:16 am

    GarryB wrote: sounds to me like it was a bone yard.

    Every Russian maintenance base is a bone yard as we don't have any new equipment. What is your point?

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    KBM missile facility destroyed in Kolomna

    Post  Vladimir79 on Wed Aug 11, 2010 11:54 am

    KBM missile facility destroyed in Kolomna
    08/08/2010

    In the Moscow region, forest fires have damaged the shop FSUE "KBM" (MSC) in Kolomna, which has developed systems Iskander "and" Needle ".

    The fire broke out last Thursday. According to a source from the Ministry of Defense, the fire came from Lukhovitsy. Reported Life News.

    "To prevent the tragedy, all the forces of fire and GO MOE were thrown on the fire-fighting in the MSC," - said the source.

    In this case the secret factory outsiders were not allowed: for such emergencies company immediately employs its own fire department, and emergency services.

    Fireplace fire was in the shops of design divisions of the secret defense plant. Where is the development and testing of modern weapons.

    "In those days the plant was tested portable anti-aircraft missile complex" Igla-S "and tactical rocket complex Iskander-E" - he said.

    Official comments or representatives of the enterprise, nor the Defense Ministry did not provide.

    However, according to a source close to Rosoboronexport, the damage that was caused by the cyclone, is already estimated at several billion rubles.

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    Post  Vladimir79 on Wed Aug 11, 2010 2:14 pm

    Tests Iskander suspended

    Inflammable situation in the suburbs has led to the suspension of testing the tactical system (The missile), Iskander and other weapons. This, according to the radio station Ekho Moskvy, told Interfax with reference to the Director General and Designer MSC (Kolomna) Valery Kashin.

    According to him, now in the landfill area is around the clock. He noted that "since the forests around us, and the risk of renewed fighting there."

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    Post  GarryB on Thu Aug 12, 2010 3:44 am

    What I mean about bone yard, is that this is a storage place for that old obsolete junk you want to get rid of (I mean you personally, though not in any negative way of course), and maintainence equipment that keeps that old obsolete equipment in service.
    Surely even if you are not rejoicing you will not shed a tear for the loss of some old junk that would have to have been disposed of anyway?

    This is a base that no doubt has done very little for the last 20 years and over the last year when funding has been available its staff has been seriously cut and it has had its fire department and assets taken from it.

    The quest for new equipment has to include improved maintainence facilities to upgrade and maintain that new equipment so the loss of some old stuff and the stuff used to maintain and repair that old stuff should not be a cause for tears.

    Nobody died and the newest stuff was saved. The fact that it was only 1 million dollars worth is not important, what is important is that the stuff considered worth saving was saved and the stuff that was not worth saving might have been lost but without losing lives over.

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    Post  Vladimir79 on Thu Aug 12, 2010 5:37 am

    40 million rubles isn't saving anything except the state automobiles assigned to the base. I care that the prime depot for naval aviation is now burnt to cinders. It effects the readiness rate of our forces that are already under 50%. These fires are going to knock a couple points off GDP and we face grain shortage. We may just end up in another recession. This is a catastrophe that leaders go on holiday while their towns burn.

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    Post  GarryB on Fri Aug 13, 2010 1:55 am

    Vlad, you seem to be under the impression that I am suggesting that this is a good thing.

    I don't think this is a good thing at all.

    What I am asking is why are you not being consistent... you want to buy all new T-90s even though there are 20,000 tanks of all sorts in storage... if it was a tank storage facility and the material destroyed was T-54s, T-55s, T-62s, T-64s, that were in permanent storage plus a few modern tanks like T-72s, T-80s and T-90s that were damaged and sent there for repair would you feel the same?
    Obviously any material has some value and its sale or if it is given a basic upgrade and gifted to an ally, or even its scrap value means something has been lost, it is not like a brand new T-90 production factory burned to the ground with the latest tooling and material.
    If it was so gosh darn important why did it have its fire department removed and half its staff slashed just this year?
    I realise I am a very optimistic person, but I see this as a good thing in the longer term as the prime depot for naval aviation is now going to be brand new.
    The grain shortage was always on the cards because of widespread lack of rainfall anyway.
    It is a pain in the butt, but it is certainly not the end of the world IMHO.

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    Post  Vladimir79 on Fri Aug 13, 2010 4:55 am

    It is a stupid comparison. The facility was the main hub of naval aviation maintenance, that includes all Helix and Su-24s. Without them the strike, ASW, and S&R functions are grounded. It was not some unimportant base like a storage depot for UNUSED tanks. It was not storage but maintenance for ACTIVE units.

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    Post  GarryB on Fri Aug 13, 2010 5:49 am

    Helix is close to 40 years old and Su-24 is older.

    I would suspect the maintainence equipment was not that much younger.

    This is a maintainence base, that strips down aircraft and replaces damaged or worn parts and then puts them back together again. This is not the entire Sukhoi design bureau burned to the ground.
    Some tools, some testing equipment, some airframes in for repair.
    Not a good thing, but hardly the end of the Russian Navy either.

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    Post  GarryB on Tue Dec 07, 2010 1:19 am

    Seems it isn't just me that thinks that guy that got sacked was a scapegoat... (The bold bits were my emphasis)

    Scapegoat Biront Wins in Court, for Now
    Posted on December 5, 2010 by Russian Defense Policy

    Lieutenant Colonel Biront (photo: www.odnoklassniki.ru)

    Last Tuesday, the Lyubertsy Garrison Military Court held President Medvedev’s dismissal of Lieutenant Colonel Viktor Biront to be illegal. Recall Biront was the President’s and the Defense Ministry’s scapegoat when the 2512th Central Aviation-Technical Base of Naval Aviation burned in this summer’s infernos near Moscow.

    A criminal case for negligence was also raised against Biront, but, according to Moskovskiy komsomolets, they punished him by dismissing him “in connection with nonfulfillment of contract.” Biront fought back, and an inquiry revealed that, as of 1 February, the base’s firefighting unit had been disbanded, a 50-meter fire break hadn’t been established, and firefighting supplies were absent. Biront had informed his leadership, but was ignored. Biront’s lawyer also argued that his client had an impeccable 26-year service record, and had only been in charge of the Kolomna base for 3 months and 25 days.

    The lawyer said Biront was left with 70 sailors to dig a fire safety zone around an 8-kilometer perimeter. And Biront’s predecessor was fined for trying to dig this zone on his own. The lawyer says the Defense Ministry plans to appeal the overturning of Biront’s dismissal.

    In its coverage, Kommersant said Biront’s lawyer pointed out that every due process was violated in his client’s case:

    “First an investigation is performed regarding the disciplinary violation which served as the basis for dismissal, then the serviceman should be familiarized with its results and guaranteed the right to present his objections. None of this was done.”

    The lawyer continues, “The president gave the order to sort it all out and dismiss the guilty, but they didn’t sort it out and found a scapegoat among the unit’s officers.”

    In Kommersant’s version, Biront and 30 sailors fought the fires armed with nothing but axes.

    One officer told the paper a chain reaction following Biront’s victory was likely, as others dismissed make similar appeals based on the lack of due process.

    So, one can conclude that Medvedev’s ’tough guy’ on-the-spot firing in the 4 August special Sovbez session was really nothing more than feelgood PR at best, or stupid at worst. But, if they want to get Biront, they will, especially for being impudent enough to fight the system, and not being a quiet, cooperative victim.

    Biront is one of those allegedly superfluous officers denigrated by the victors in Serdyukov’s ‘new profile’ reforms for being a ‘housekeeper,’ uninterested or unprepared to conduct combat training.

    The news about the Biront case has received very little media attention.


    I hope they do hold him up as a special case. A case where bureaucracy is making officers trying to do a good job the bad guy. A case where scapegoats are not found just for PR and the real problems are found and actually dealt with.

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    Post  Pervius on Tue Mar 08, 2011 10:04 am

    Could HAARP weapon be used to change atmosphere and allow more sun to hit the ground? Drying everything out so fire would be inevitable for collatoral damage. No one would be the wiser.

    Maybe Hubble or Galileo telescope could also be used to effect crops/dry out regions. Wouldn't be banned by US-Russia Treaty would it? Nothing gets built in America unless it also has a military use. Do Russian scientists monitor for such activity?

    New World Order being obtained thinking outside the box using tools nobody would suspect or detect.

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    Re: Military facilities accidents and disasters

    Post  GarryB on Wed Mar 09, 2011 2:46 am

    The Russians have enough Humint in the US for that sort of threat.

    Most Americans are actually OK and while they believe that the US is a force for good when they find out stuff that completely contradicts their view of the US and what their government has done in their name a significant number of them will squeal.

    Wikileaks relies on it.

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    Post  restoration on Sat Apr 09, 2011 8:53 am

    thats such a useful information i am looking for, Russian defense is really one of the best force around the world.government definitely some good actions for them, we salute them.
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    Re: Military facilities accidents and disasters

    Post  Pervius on Thu May 12, 2011 4:57 am

    ...... something was fired into the Philippine Sea in October 2007 to try and steer a typhoon from the Philippines and change it's course for China.

    It tore a hole in the earth's magenetic field and exposed that part of the world to massive Cosmic Rays, nearly killed all plant life on a certain little military island....cancer rates went up.

    Russia's humint ...did they ever hear of that one? Somebody's been playing God.

    This planet will look like Mars soon.

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    Re: Military facilities accidents and disasters

    Post  GarryB on Thu May 12, 2011 1:43 pm

    This planet will look like Mars soon.

    The Earths magnetic field flips every so often (over geological time... not on a human time scale) and moves around already.


    To think the US has any control over the weather prompts the question is their control greater than the effect of carbon emissions on the weather?

    Weather is a system... a system so complex that any changes will likely result in other changes that cannot be predicted.

    Such a weapon would be highly self defeating...

    From space the Earth is a tiny blue dot and humans can only exist less than 100m under the oceans and perhaps 5km up in its atmosphere. This thin band is all we have in this entire universe right now so only a complete fool would risk permanently damaging that for the chance of using the weather to attack your rivals.
    It is not like we can go somewhere else if we ruin this place...

    But then I think the US probably would if they could.

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    50 people return home after ammunition depot fire in Urals

    Post  Russian Patriot on Sun May 29, 2011 9:51 pm


    50 people return home after ammunition depot fire in Urals



    Fifty people have returned to their undamaged houses in a Urals village after fire brigades put out conflagration at a local ammunition depot, a spokesman for the emergencies services said on Saturday.

    At least 200 residents of the Urman village, including 40 children, remain in evacuation centers where they were taken after artillery shells exploded in a loading area of the depot on Thursday, which caused the fire.

    The local police said seven people were injured, while the emergencies services cited the figure of 12, including three in hospital.

    The fire destroyed about 50 buildings. Construction companies are assessing the damage.

    Criminal investigation has been launched. The Defense Ministry said it would eliminate the depot by September.

    A fire-fighting train, two Emergencies Ministry planes and three robots were summoned to put out the fire.

    NIZHNY NOVGOROD, May 28 (RIA Novosti)

    http://en.rian.ru/russia/20110528/164285385.html

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