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    Post  yavar on Tue Jan 23, 2018 7:10 pm

    Iran Army military exercises 'Muhammad Rasoulallah' 2018 P-2 ایران رزمايش ارتش محمد رسول الله ۱۳۹۶




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    Post  yavar on Thu Jan 25, 2018 6:41 am

    Iran Army military exercises 'Muhammad Rasoulallah' 2018 P3-3 ایران رزمايش ارتش محمد رسول الله ۱۳۹۶




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    Re: IRAN: Latest and Breaking News

    Post  yavar on Sun Jan 28, 2018 11:27 pm

    UNSC 8167th meeting, Israel US, Iran forces in Syria شورای امنیت سازمان اسرائیل امریکا ایران


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    Re: IRAN: Latest and Breaking News

    Post  nomadski on Wed Mar 28, 2018 6:22 pm

    First of all my condolences to all Russian forum members for the tragic fire that killed so many children . Loosing a child is truly an unbearable experience . Second I would like to comment on the latest news from America , on the Yanks probable official withdrawal from the nuclear deal . As far as practical purposes , the Yanks have already withdrawn from the deal . By Trump decertifying the deal . Since the present policy of Yank is to impose it's exceptionalism or monopoly capitalism on the rest of the world , and they have recently put tariffs on companies in the EU , and the continuation of pressure and sanctions on Russia and stopping China from exporting about a thousand goods into America , then it is clear that they can not establish free trade with the rest of the world or compete on a level playing field .

    Under such conditions , Iran can and should establish contacts now with all sanctioned companies around the world , in order to establish trade with them . In this case the yanks can do nothing , because these companies by trading with Iran , will loose little or no trade with the yanks . The sanctions can be greatly weakened or broken in this way . The mistake that the yanks are making , under the duress of their inefficient economy and political arrogance , is that they have already alienated the rest of the world against themselves . There are no more partners in crime for them .

    I said before that the deal may be weaker but not dead . Therefore the Iranians can have a proportional response to the yank infringement . Perhaps starting with what I just said , and then if damage becomes significant to the economy , a resumption of full enrichment . And any military attack to be responded with a nuke test .
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    Re: IRAN: Latest and Breaking News

    Post  GarryB on Thu Mar 29, 2018 9:30 am

    Since the present policy of Yank is to impose it's exceptionalism or monopoly capitalism on the rest of the world , and they have recently put tariffs on companies in the EU , and the continuation of pressure and sanctions on Russia and stopping China from exporting about a thousand goods into America , then it is clear that they can not establish free trade with the rest of the world or compete on a level playing field .

    I think it is ironic that the EU are squealing about tariffs and subsidies... most farms in the UK or France would have folded overnight if they were in New Zealand or Australia... they only survive because they get enormous subsidies from their governments and tariffs and tax breaks and the like... the irony is I applaud the US for bringing this up but as usual in the end the US is actually no better... it supports industries that are weak because the situation of the US does not make production in that area efficient...

    Of course the real purpose of these sanctions is for trump to reopen existing trade agreements so they can be adapted to be more in favour of the US. They don't want collective agreements with large groups because large groups have more power and more weight than each country on its own... it would be easier to bully each european country than all of them at once for instance.

    The end of this deal with the world will mean Iran can no longer reliably support western equipment like aircraft or ships or anything else because essential support and spares could be withheld with an overnight decision from the US congress... this should be good for China and Russia in terms of market share in Iran... and ultimately good for Iran because as Russia and China are becoming aware, the west has no friends and does not want rivals, so if you want to improve and develop you need to look elsewhere.
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    Re: IRAN: Latest and Breaking News

    Post  Isos on Thu Mar 29, 2018 9:43 pm

    According to french sputnik news two israeli f-35 have flown in Iranian airspace to identify targets.

    https://fr.sputniknews.com/international/201803291035719176-iran-israel-espace-arien-iranien/
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    Re: IRAN: Latest and Breaking News

    Post  KiloGolf on Thu Mar 29, 2018 11:07 pm

    Isos wrote:According to french sputnik news two israeli f-35 have flown in Iranian airspace to identify targets.

    https://fr.sputniknews.com/international/201803291035719176-iran-israel-espace-arien-iranien/

    So it begins.
    Iran will soon find out why neglecting its Air Force for over 30 years was an act of utter stupidity.
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    Re: IRAN: Latest and Breaking News

    Post  PapaDragon on Thu Mar 29, 2018 11:50 pm

    KiloGolf wrote:
    Isos wrote:According to french sputnik news two israeli f-35 have flown in Iranian airspace to identify targets.

    https://fr.sputniknews.com/international/201803291035719176-iran-israel-espace-arien-iranien/

    So it begins.
    Iran will soon find out why neglecting its Air Force for over 30 years was an act of utter stupidity.

    Bet they wish they had some fresh Flankers right about now

    Or at least that they did not throw a hissy fit over Russia stationing those Tu-22s in Hamadan... (they would not get involved of course but would still be touchy subject for potential attack)
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    Re: IRAN: Latest and Breaking News

    Post  KiloGolf on Thu Mar 29, 2018 11:59 pm

    PapaDragon wrote:
    KiloGolf wrote:
    Isos wrote:According to french sputnik news two israeli f-35 have flown in Iranian airspace to identify targets.

    https://fr.sputniknews.com/international/201803291035719176-iran-israel-espace-arien-iranien/

    So it begins.
    Iran will soon find out why neglecting its Air Force for over 30 years was an act of utter stupidity.

    Bet they wish they had some fresh Flankers right about now

    Or at least that they did not throw a hissy fit over Russia stationing those Tu-22s in Hamadan... (they would not get involved of course but would still be touchy subject for potential attack)

    Iran is worse than the USAF circa 1950s, when they thought close-in air combat was dead and missiles would sort everything out.
    They've applied the same, failed logic with regards to the concept of Air Force, thinking MRBMs and IRBMs can replace it altogether.

    Go figure. Suspect
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    Re: IRAN: Latest and Breaking News

    Post  Isos on Fri Mar 30, 2018 12:59 am

    KiloGolf wrote:
    PapaDragon wrote:
    KiloGolf wrote:
    Isos wrote:According to french sputnik news two israeli f-35 have flown in Iranian airspace to identify targets.

    https://fr.sputniknews.com/international/201803291035719176-iran-israel-espace-arien-iranien/

    So it begins.
    Iran will soon find out why neglecting its Air Force for over 30 years was an act of utter stupidity.

    Bet they wish they had some fresh Flankers right about now

    Or at least that they did not throw a hissy fit over Russia stationing those Tu-22s in Hamadan... (they would not get involved of course but would still be touchy subject for potential attack)

    Iran is worse than the USAF circa 1950s, when they thought close-in air combat was dead and missiles would sort everything out.
    They've applied the same, failed logic with regards to the concept of Air Force, thinking MRBMs and IRBMs can replace it altogether.

    Go figure. Suspect

    But are sure they could have get flankers ? Russia didn't even give them s300 which a deffensive weapon untill very recently.
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    Re: IRAN: Latest and Breaking News

    Post  Isos on Fri Mar 30, 2018 2:37 am

    A source in russian MoD says the story about the F-35 escaping radar detection is total bullshit It was said in the first article they escape radar detection in syria Irak and Iran and by deduction russian radars too.

    https://fr.sputniknews.com/international/201803291035724684-moscou/
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    Re: IRAN: Latest and Breaking News

    Post  KiloGolf on Fri Mar 30, 2018 3:20 am

    Isos wrote:But are sure they could have get flankers ? Russia didn't even give them s300 which a deffensive weapon untill very recently.

    They could have easily purchased 3-4 squadrons of MiG-29SMT in the late 90s and early 00s (say 72-80 planes). And some few Flankers (some 24-30 for a squadron or two) could have followed when Obama sealed the deal with Iran 2 years ago. Nobody would mind then and small-ish numbers wouldn't have alarmed anyone. I mean at the same time Israel and the GCC crowd built gigantic Air Forces.
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    Re: IRAN: Latest and Breaking News

    Post  GarryB on Fri Mar 30, 2018 5:43 am

    Well if Trump rips up the agreement they are free to buy anything they want... I wonder who they will look to buy from?

    I am biased but would like to see them buy from Russia some aircraft to replace their F-14s and F-4s... they already have MiG-29s, so a couple of dozen MiG-29M2s with upgrades to MiG-35s later on perhaps... and a few Su-30s to replace the Tomcats... order long range missiles like the RVV-BD to match the F-14s long range capacity... well exceed it by quite a margin...
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    Post  KiloGolf on Fri Mar 30, 2018 5:52 am

    GarryB wrote:Well if Trump rips up the agreement they are free to buy anything they want... I wonder who they will look to buy from?

    I am biased but would like to see them buy from Russia some aircraft to replace their F-14s and F-4s... they already have MiG-29s, so a couple of dozen MiG-29M2s with upgrades to MiG-35s later on perhaps... and a few Su-30s to replace the Tomcats... order long range missiles like the RVV-BD to match the F-14s long range capacity... well exceed it by quite a margin...

    The Obama Iran deal doesn't deny Russia to sell Flankers to Iran.
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    Re: IRAN: Latest and Breaking News

    Post  starman on Sat Mar 31, 2018 11:52 pm

    Isos wrote:A source in russian MoD says the story about the F-35 escaping radar detection is total bullshit It was said in the first article they escape radar detection in syria Irak and Iran and by deduction russian radars too.

    So they really got as far as Iran without resistance of any kind? Didn't they need refueling over Syria or Iraq? If so, why wasn't that stopped?
    But maybe it's all fake:

    https://theaviationist.com/
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    Re: IRAN: Latest and Breaking News

    Post  KiloGolf on Sun Apr 01, 2018 12:12 am

    starman wrote:
    Isos wrote:A source in russian MoD says the story about the F-35 escaping radar detection is total bullshit It was said in the first article they escape radar detection in syria Irak and Iran and by deduction russian radars too.

    So they really got as far as Iran without resistance of any kind? Didn't they need refueling over Syria or Iraq? If so, why wasn't that stopped?
    But maybe it's all fake:

    https://theaviationist.com/

    Maybe the Russians let them through, as a message to Iran and their stupid stance a year ago to not allow Tu-22M3 to be based there.
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    Re: IRAN: Latest and Breaking News

    Post  PapaDragon on Sun Apr 01, 2018 1:14 am

    starman wrote:.......
    So they really got as far as Iran without resistance of any kind? Didn't they need refueling over Syria or Iraq? If so, why wasn't that stopped?
    But maybe it's all fake:

    https://theaviationist.com/


    It's Iran's job to provide resistance. I doubt anyone else is concerned over it .
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    Re: IRAN: Latest and Breaking News

    Post  JohninMK on Sun Apr 01, 2018 2:14 am

    PapaDragon wrote:
    starman wrote:.......
    So they really got as far as Iran without resistance of any kind? Didn't they need refueling over Syria or Iraq? If so, why wasn't that stopped?
    But maybe it's all fake:

    https://theaviationist.com/

    It's Iran's job to provide resistance. I doubt anyone else is concerned over it .
    Does anyone here really think that this is more than Israeli bullshit?

    Can you imagine the US giving permission for a flight of this length over this hostile territory with the chance of being shot down of mechanical etc fault? Plus the need for refuelling. Imagine if one had gone down in Iran. The US knows just how visible the F-35 is, especially in infra red and that is certainly not invisable. It also knows the PR and sales disaster that could have unfolded if it did go down.

    Methinks the F-35 is not going anywhere near danger or capture anytime soon, the risks are just too high.

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    Post  Isos on Sun Apr 01, 2018 2:15 am

    Some years ago Russian radars have detected a missile lunch in the middle of the mediteranean sea by Israel and USA from Russian Mainland. They would have seen the F-35 easily and alerted the Iranians if it was the case. They would have intercepted those two pigs with F-14.
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    Re: IRAN: Latest and Breaking News

    Post  GarryB on Sun Apr 01, 2018 5:33 am

    Methinks the F-35 is not going anywhere near danger or capture anytime soon, the risks are just too high.

    The only value in such a mission would be to prove to your enemy that their defences are completely ineffective... in other words it is a chest beating display... as such I would expect it to be all over the BBC and CNN that Iranian air defences can't see the F-35... I mean it would be in US interests even just to say S-300 can't detect the new very very expensive fighters we want NATO to buy in enormous numbers... they would be in sell/brag mode... they are not.
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    Re: IRAN: Latest and Breaking News

    Post  starman on Sun Apr 01, 2018 3:49 pm

    GarryB wrote:
    The only value in such a mission would be to prove to your enemy that their defences are completely ineffective...

    Even that would be sort of dumb since it would provoke the opponent into improving his AD. It would be better to downplay your capabilities until they're actually needed.
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    Post  starman on Sun Apr 01, 2018 3:52 pm

    PapaDragon wrote:
    It's Iran's job to provide resistance. I doubt anyone else is concerned over it .

    But if the story were true the IAF violated the airspace of two other states. It's the responsibility of any sovereign state to protect its airspace as best it can.


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    Post  starman on Sun Apr 01, 2018 3:57 pm

    KiloGolf wrote:
    Maybe the Russians let them through, as a message to Iran and their stupid stance a year ago to not allow Tu-22M3 to be based there.

    If the morons on Capitol Hill really dump the Iran deal, Iran would resume nuclear work, and arms purchases, but it would also need protection against an Israeli attack (and/or a US one, given the lunacy of Bolton). Under those circumstances, Iran should definitely consider giving Russia basing rights, for air and naval units, to ward off attack. Maybe China too, for good measure. Smile
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    Post  PapaDragon on Sun Apr 01, 2018 6:34 pm

    starman wrote:
    KiloGolf wrote:
    Maybe the Russians let them through, as a message to Iran and their stupid stance a year ago to not allow Tu-22M3 to be based there.

    If the morons on Capitol Hill really dump the Iran deal, Iran would resume nuclear work, and arms purchases, but it would also need protection against an Israeli attack (and/or a US one, given the lunacy of Bolton). Under those circumstances, Iran should definitely consider giving Russia basing rights, for air and naval units, to ward off attack. Maybe China too, for good measure. Smile


    Time to give those basing rights was nearly 2 years ago during DeZ campaign

    Russia and China have no reason to jump into already burning fire this late into the game



    starman wrote:But if the story were true the IAF violated the airspace of two other states. It's the responsibility of any sovereign state to protect its airspace as best it can.

    Then Syria, Iraq and Iran should get on it
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    Post  GarryB on Tue Apr 03, 2018 4:16 am

    Even that would be sort of dumb since it would provoke the opponent into improving his AD. It would be better to downplay your capabilities until they're actually needed.

    But then who is to say that Iran didn't detect the plane and just didn't fire at it because it likely had the known positions of Irainan air defences and flew around them and never got in range for a good shot.

    Playing dumb is certainly the sort of thing you would expect from Trump, but he also seems to me to be the sort of person who loves to boast too... if the US tears up the agreement with Iran he will likely state one of the reasons being that the US can attack Iran at will and have already overflown them... whether he states with the F-35 or not is another matter... but of course the real question is... why do it with an F-35 and not the F-22 when they had it in the region... the obvious answer would have to be that there are no F-22s for sale to Israel...

    If that is the case then who could possibly know the truth... when it comes to sales the truth goes out the window in the US.

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