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    Crimea's integration into Russian Federation:

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    miketheterrible

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    Re: Crimea's integration into Russian Federation:

    Post  miketheterrible on Sun Oct 07, 2018 9:07 pm

    Vladimir79 wrote:They should have built underwater tunnels.  This is too easy to knock out.

    too expensive. Would be cool though.
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    Re: Crimea's integration into Russian Federation:

    Post  Hole on Sun Oct 07, 2018 9:57 pm

    Yeah, like their citys. All above the ground. To easy to bomb.
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    Post  Vladimir79 on Sun Oct 07, 2018 11:07 pm

    Hole wrote:Yeah, like their citys. All above the ground. To easy to bomb.

    When it is the most critical piece of infrastructure you do something to protect it.
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    Post  Isos on Sun Oct 07, 2018 11:38 pm

    Vladimir79 wrote:
    Hole wrote:Yeah, like their citys. All above the ground. To easy to bomb.

    When it is the most critical piece of infrastructure you do something to protect it.  

    They moved another s-400 in crimea last week. They have new frigates and subs there and they even modernized the old fixed antiship complexe. If ukraine attack it they will invade them and rebuild it with porochenko's money.
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    Post  GarryB on Wed Oct 10, 2018 3:35 am

    They should have built underwater tunnels. This is too easy to knock out.

    Tunnels would be easy to block... a fuel truck or two stops halfway down and blocks traffic and then as traffic builds up explodes... rather too vulnerable...

    Bridges are vulnerable too but rather more difficult to kill a lot of people... either way... whomever is found responsible would not be happy with the response... if the joke that is the Ukrainian Navy destroyed a section of the bridge then Russia could simply eliminate the threat and sink the Ukrainian Navy.
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    Post  PapaDragon on Wed Oct 10, 2018 3:55 am

    Vladimir79 wrote:They should have built underwater tunnels.  This is too easy to knock out.

    Geologically it's a nightmare to dig tunnels, they had to drive insane amount of pilons into the bedrock just to build a bridge

    Besides, tunnels are hardly any more difficult to take out than bridge, quite easier depending on approach

    And unlike bridges they would be borderline impossible to fix to say nothing of huge amount of casualties in that scenario

    Bridge is definitely way to go here

    Also, there is no way anyone will be touching these things without committing collective suicide in the process, this is not border guard booth, it's strategic infrastructure

    I mean can you imagine ukrops bombing this(not that they could)? The moment news breaks you would instantly have 95% of electorate demanding immediate war, it would be IL-20/Israel/S-300 situation on steroids
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    Post  flamming_python on Wed Oct 10, 2018 3:03 pm

    Speaking of tunnels and Crimea, there is a tunnel project to build one between the two tips of the sides of the bay in Sevastopol. This will give Sevastopol a complete highway ringing it and significantly cut down on travel time and traffic for people living on one side of the bay but working on the other.

    The project has been floating around since the Soviet era but there are signs that it might be initiated soon, what with the project now being included into the list of federal programs approved for financing.

    Of course though it will cost $400 million to build, for a city of some 400,000.
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    Post  miketheterrible on Wed Oct 10, 2018 3:13 pm

    $400M? For a tunnel? How long is this tunnel? Cause you would be floored that we spent half a billion for a very very short tunnel in my city.

    It would also create lots of jobs.
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    Post  Hole on Wed Oct 10, 2018 5:03 pm

    A few years ago two tunnels were build in Tokyo for 20 Billion $.

    I guess Sewastopol will grow in the next years. Strategic location. Nice weather. The new bridge.
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    Post  Neutrality on Wed Oct 10, 2018 6:03 pm

    flamming_python wrote:Speaking of tunnels and Crimea, there is a tunnel project to build one between the two tips of the sides of the bay in Sevastopol. This will give Sevastopol a complete highway ringing it and significantly cut down on travel time and traffic for people living on one side of the bay but working on the other.

    The project has been floating around since the Soviet era but there are signs that it might be initiated soon, what with the project now being included into the list of federal programs approved for financing.

    Of course though it will cost $400 million to build, for a city of some 400,000.

    400 million is nothing if you think strategically. Crimea can earn this back relatively quickly especially when income from tourism is going to increase. The amount of tourists visiting the island in 2018 broke the 24 year record (more than 6,1 million so far).
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    Post  Hole on Wed Oct 10, 2018 10:07 pm

    This tunnel would connect to districts of Sewastopol. No tourists. "Just" normal people living there.
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    Post  Neutrality on Wed Oct 10, 2018 10:25 pm

    Hole wrote:This tunnel would connect to districts of Sewastopol. No tourists. "Just" normal people living there.

    I don't see why tourists wouldn't make use of the infrastructural enhancements. What I meant in my previous comment is that Crimea is going to see bigger revenues coming in from tourism, therefor financing infrastructure projects should become more affordable.
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    Post  GarryB on Wed Oct 10, 2018 10:58 pm

    If you leave such things and do them in 10 years time they will be 4 billion... if they have the money and there is a clear benefit... just do it.

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    Re: Crimea's integration into Russian Federation:

    Post  Karl Haushofer on Wed Oct 17, 2018 1:38 pm

    Terrorist attack in Crimean school. Dozens killed. Over 50 injured.

    Ukraine is a prime suspect.

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    Post  Karl Haushofer on Wed Oct 17, 2018 1:40 pm

    I have written about this A THOUSAND TIMES BEFORE!!!!

    Russia's inaction and inability to REVENGE these attacks will invite more provocations, more terrorism.

    Russia is seen as an easy target and deservedly so. If you slap Russia in the face, Russia will turn the other cheek.
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    Post  auslander on Wed Oct 17, 2018 2:18 pm

    Minimum 15 dead in Kerch, over 60 wounded. Students say one large explosion, several smaller ones, at least two armed men running through and from the building with automats and firing same. One student said her best friend dropped dead at her feet from the shooting.

    Like most schools in Russia, minimal security. Kerch is locked down, our local schools were let out early under guard.
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    Post  Walther von Oldenburg on Wed Oct 17, 2018 2:34 pm

    RT says not a terror attack but a mass murder-suicide by a student of that school.
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    Post  auslander on Wed Oct 17, 2018 3:02 pm

    Latest is its 'murder-suicide' by a young student, said young student having the good graces to blow his brains out when cornered by the crushers. Toll is now 19 dead.
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    Post  miketheterrible on Wed Oct 17, 2018 3:03 pm

    Judging by photos released, perp was a fan of the Columbia school shooting.
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    Post  Hole on Wed Oct 17, 2018 4:51 pm

    Columbine.

    Well, look at Amiland. Cops everywhere. Schools look like fortresses. Still there is a mass shooting every week. Compared to that Russia is a secure country.
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    Post  PapaDragon on Wed Oct 17, 2018 5:37 pm


    Unconfirmed: it appears that he was ex-student not current one (expelled maybe?)



    EDIT: Looks like it was some Columbine worshiper (literally).

    Same weapon, same clothes, same plan and they found Columbine material at his home.

    Clothes:
    https://i.imgur.com/HAn2CRx.jpg

    Shooter corpse NSFW!!!
    https://i.imgur.com/bbreJrn.png

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    Can mods move this to police or crime tread? Question
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    Post  auslander on Wed Oct 17, 2018 7:35 pm

    PapaDragon wrote:
    Unconfirmed: it appears that he was ex-student not current one (expelled maybe?)



    EDIT: Looks like it was some Columbine worshiper (literally).

    Same weapon, same clothes, same plan and they found Columbine material at his home.

    Clothes:
    https://i.imgur.com/HAn2CRx.jpg

    Shooter corpse NSFW!!!
    https://i.imgur.com/bbreJrn.png

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    Can mods move this to police or crime tread?   Question

    Papa, this whole thing just don't add up. Too many adult students saying more then one shooter, eyes on, too many adult students saying more than one explosion, but they might have mistaken the smaller explosions described as grenades for his home made nasties. Of interest is he's loading the weapon with his left hand, unless the image is reversed, which I don't know, depends on who and when built the school as to whether the stairs were right or left hand. I can't see his shirt well enough to say if the images is reversed, either. Toss in the image of the dearly departed, and you know what should be all over the place from a close shot from a weapon of that caliber, and my thought is 'hmmmmm'.
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    Post  PapaDragon on Wed Oct 17, 2018 8:57 pm

    auslander wrote:
    PapaDragon wrote:........

    Papa, this whole thing just don't add up. Too many adult students saying more then one shooter, eyes on, too many adult students saying more than one explosion, but they might have mistaken the smaller explosions described as grenades for his home made nasties. Of interest is he's loading the weapon with his left hand, unless the image is reversed, which I don't know, depends on who and when built the school as to whether the stairs were right or left hand. I can't see his shirt well enough to say if the images is reversed, either. Toss in the image of the dearly departed, and you know what should be all over the place from a close shot from a weapon of that caliber, and my thought is 'hmmmmm'.

    I am not ruling anything out but to me it looks like school shooting

    Witnesses give conflicting reports because this is most horrifying thing that has and probably will happen in their whole lives and they are terrified beyond belief

    Security footage is there and it only shows one shooter, I don't see why anyone would lie about this

    Wounds on the shooter add up, he would be all over the place only if he put the gun to his head

    There is also choice of weapon: he used shotgun which is most easily available firearm to majority of civilians, if he had anything to do with terrorists first thing he would have been given would be AK

    And terrorists would not be copying Columbine beat for beat which is what this shitstain did
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    Post  miketheterrible on Wed Oct 17, 2018 9:30 pm

    Hole wrote:Columbine.

    Well, look at Amiland. Cops everywhere. Schools look like fortresses. Still there is a mass shooting every week. Compared to that Russia is a secure country.

    Thanks. Autocorrect made it Columbia....

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    Post  Hole on Wed Oct 17, 2018 9:35 pm

    And a terrorist or nazi scumbag from Kiev wouldn´t go to a technical college. He would blow up a hotel or go to the beach and kill people. Or kill little school children.

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