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    Crimea's integration into Russian Federation:

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    miketheterrible

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    Re: Crimea's integration into Russian Federation:

    Post  miketheterrible on Sun Oct 07, 2018 9:07 pm

    Vladimir79 wrote:They should have built underwater tunnels.  This is too easy to knock out.

    too expensive. Would be cool though.
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    Re: Crimea's integration into Russian Federation:

    Post  Hole on Sun Oct 07, 2018 9:57 pm

    Yeah, like their citys. All above the ground. To easy to bomb.
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    Re: Crimea's integration into Russian Federation:

    Post  Vladimir79 on Sun Oct 07, 2018 11:07 pm

    Hole wrote:Yeah, like their citys. All above the ground. To easy to bomb.

    When it is the most critical piece of infrastructure you do something to protect it.
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    Re: Crimea's integration into Russian Federation:

    Post  Isos on Sun Oct 07, 2018 11:38 pm

    Vladimir79 wrote:
    Hole wrote:Yeah, like their citys. All above the ground. To easy to bomb.

    When it is the most critical piece of infrastructure you do something to protect it.  

    They moved another s-400 in crimea last week. They have new frigates and subs there and they even modernized the old fixed antiship complexe. If ukraine attack it they will invade them and rebuild it with porochenko's money.
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    Re: Crimea's integration into Russian Federation:

    Post  GarryB on Wed Oct 10, 2018 3:35 am

    They should have built underwater tunnels. This is too easy to knock out.

    Tunnels would be easy to block... a fuel truck or two stops halfway down and blocks traffic and then as traffic builds up explodes... rather too vulnerable...

    Bridges are vulnerable too but rather more difficult to kill a lot of people... either way... whomever is found responsible would not be happy with the response... if the joke that is the Ukrainian Navy destroyed a section of the bridge then Russia could simply eliminate the threat and sink the Ukrainian Navy.
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    Re: Crimea's integration into Russian Federation:

    Post  PapaDragon on Wed Oct 10, 2018 3:55 am

    Vladimir79 wrote:They should have built underwater tunnels.  This is too easy to knock out.

    Geologically it's a nightmare to dig tunnels, they had to drive insane amount of pilons into the bedrock just to build a bridge

    Besides, tunnels are hardly any more difficult to take out than bridge, quite easier depending on approach

    And unlike bridges they would be borderline impossible to fix to say nothing of huge amount of casualties in that scenario

    Bridge is definitely way to go here

    Also, there is no way anyone will be touching these things without committing collective suicide in the process, this is not border guard booth, it's strategic infrastructure

    I mean can you imagine ukrops bombing this(not that they could)? The moment news breaks you would instantly have 95% of electorate demanding immediate war, it would be IL-20/Israel/S-300 situation on steroids
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    Re: Crimea's integration into Russian Federation:

    Post  flamming_python on Wed Oct 10, 2018 3:03 pm

    Speaking of tunnels and Crimea, there is a tunnel project to build one between the two tips of the sides of the bay in Sevastopol. This will give Sevastopol a complete highway ringing it and significantly cut down on travel time and traffic for people living on one side of the bay but working on the other.

    The project has been floating around since the Soviet era but there are signs that it might be initiated soon, what with the project now being included into the list of federal programs approved for financing.

    Of course though it will cost $400 million to build, for a city of some 400,000.
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    Re: Crimea's integration into Russian Federation:

    Post  miketheterrible on Wed Oct 10, 2018 3:13 pm

    $400M? For a tunnel? How long is this tunnel? Cause you would be floored that we spent half a billion for a very very short tunnel in my city.

    It would also create lots of jobs.
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    Re: Crimea's integration into Russian Federation:

    Post  Hole on Wed Oct 10, 2018 5:03 pm

    A few years ago two tunnels were build in Tokyo for 20 Billion $.

    I guess Sewastopol will grow in the next years. Strategic location. Nice weather. The new bridge.
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    Re: Crimea's integration into Russian Federation:

    Post  Neutrality on Wed Oct 10, 2018 6:03 pm

    flamming_python wrote:Speaking of tunnels and Crimea, there is a tunnel project to build one between the two tips of the sides of the bay in Sevastopol. This will give Sevastopol a complete highway ringing it and significantly cut down on travel time and traffic for people living on one side of the bay but working on the other.

    The project has been floating around since the Soviet era but there are signs that it might be initiated soon, what with the project now being included into the list of federal programs approved for financing.

    Of course though it will cost $400 million to build, for a city of some 400,000.

    400 million is nothing if you think strategically. Crimea can earn this back relatively quickly especially when income from tourism is going to increase. The amount of tourists visiting the island in 2018 broke the 24 year record (more than 6,1 million so far).
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    Re: Crimea's integration into Russian Federation:

    Post  Hole on Wed Oct 10, 2018 10:07 pm

    This tunnel would connect to districts of Sewastopol. No tourists. "Just" normal people living there.
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    Re: Crimea's integration into Russian Federation:

    Post  Neutrality on Wed Oct 10, 2018 10:25 pm

    Hole wrote:This tunnel would connect to districts of Sewastopol. No tourists. "Just" normal people living there.

    I don't see why tourists wouldn't make use of the infrastructural enhancements. What I meant in my previous comment is that Crimea is going to see bigger revenues coming in from tourism, therefor financing infrastructure projects should become more affordable.
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    Re: Crimea's integration into Russian Federation:

    Post  GarryB on Wed Oct 10, 2018 10:58 pm

    If you leave such things and do them in 10 years time they will be 4 billion... if they have the money and there is a clear benefit... just do it.

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