richsu wrote:Battalion0415, it is quite hard to understand your 'agenda' here...
The general opinion of the public in Sweden is that no one really wants to join Nato but when Russia is visiting with their submarines very close to
the capital and fly close to commercial airlines with their fighter planes without any reasons, it is Russia who pushes Sweden towards Nato.
Sweden just wants to be left alone, but if swedes are forced to chose a side, it will always be the Nato side.
No russian submarines a few miles from the capital --> No Nato membership.
All the circus aside - is there any evidence that it was a Russian sub down there?
Scant few details have been released.
The problem is that Sweden has a very, very obvious anti-Russian agenda and has had one for quite some years, and if it's floating false rumours about chasing down a Russian sub - it wouldn't be the first time that it would have done so.
I remember the uproar a couple years back about how Russian planes were supposedly practising a 'bombing run' against Sweden. What actually happened, what we know, is that some 2 Su-34s or Su-30SMs (forget which) headed on a trajectory towards Swedish airspace, but then changed their course about 10-15km from Swedish airspace.
They could have been practising any kind of manuever. It could have been related to Sweden, it could have not been. It could have been anything actually, even just a normal flight bearing and course correction.
Yet the Swedish media, or Swedish MoD expects us to believe that it has some magic means of scrying, by which it was actually able to see into the cockpit and discern what the Russians were planning.
Well the only other way I guess would be to intercept and decode Russian communications - but if the Swedes had that capability, they sure as hell wouldn't let the whole world (and consenquently Russia) know about it.
This fits into the other pattern of BS I noticed recently, all the accusations of Russian military aircraft flying with their transponders off and every other means of identification, not agreeing their flight paths or informing any airspace authorities.
Well the Russian MoD recently vehemently denied such accusations.
So who's lying? My bet is on the Western NATO allies - it's in their interests to demonize the Russians as much as possible.
Conversely, it's not really in the Russian's interests to create bad PR for themselves, endanger civilian airtraffic, try and provoke Sweden into joining NATO, etc... go ahead and think for yourself.