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    Post  Werewolf on Sun Dec 27, 2015 10:57 am

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    Re: Sweden and Finland NATO ambitions:

    Post  George1 on Mon Jan 18, 2016 3:44 am

    Swedish-Finn Alliance May Influence Fighter Choice

    HELSINKI — The deepening in bilateral defense collaboration between non-aligned Nordic states Sweden and Finland is expected to include the establishment of joint units and the sharing of naval and Air Force infrastructure.

    Moreover, Sweden remains interested in selling the JAS Gripen-E to Finland, which has begun the process of replacing the Air Force’s F/A-18 C/D Hornet aircraft, which are scheduled to be retired between 2025 and 2030.

    Although government officials remain tight lipped, the increasingly closer military cooperation between Finland and Sweden advances the possibility that Finland may opt to pursue a replacement strategy that includes two different NATO-compatible fighter types, one of which could be the Gripen E.

    Ongoing defense negotiations between Finland and Sweden are focused on removing outstanding legal impediments that prohibit deeper military collaboration.

    It is expected that future bilateral agreements will not only cover joint tasks and the sharing of naval ports and air bases, but will also allow each country to aid the other in the event of an armed attack.

    In a joint statement released Jan. 10, Finnish and Swedish Prime Ministers Juha Sipilä and Stefan Löfven underscored the need to build a bilateral military collaboration structure that is practical and usable, warning that European security faces its gravest threat since the Cold War era.

    "Finland and Sweden both operate outside of military alliances. We believe that this policy serves us well. We must rely on this experience in our assessment of the challenges currently facing us. Our military non-alignment contributes to the stability and security of Northern Europe as a whole. Even though we are not members in NATO, we cooperate with the organization. We have also a strong trans-Atlantic link," the statement read.

    The unified approach being taken by Sweden and Finland to regional and European defense and security challenges suggest that neither country is eager to rush into joining a major military alliance such as NATO, said Ulf Kehl, a Berlin-based political analyst.

    "Despite the recent talk over Finland and Sweden joining NATO, if this does happen it is likely to be a process far in the distant future. It seems clear that while both countries want to develop closer military ties with NATO and the European Union, neither state is in any hurry to abandon their present neutrality status," Kehl said.

    The more immediate need for both Sweden and Finland is to build the basis for a stronger regional military-security alliance with NATO-neighbors Denmark, Norway, Estonia, Lithuania and Latvia, said Kehl.

    "The traditional threat of Russia in the High North and the Baltic Sea remains, but it is the new and emerging threats, from ISIL and cyber warfare, that are also driving cooperation forward," Kehl said.

    The so-called "NATO-question" on collaboration and possible future membership will remain a subject open for dialogue between Sweden and Finland, said Margot Wallström, Sweden’s foreign minister.

    "It’s important that we work closely together on these important issues. We must try to maintain a common position [on NATO] as long as possible," Wallström said.

    Sweden and Finland are continuing to deepen cooperation with NATO. In December, Sweden extended permission allowing for NATO AWAC surveillance aircraft to fly over Swedish airspace. The new six-month extension period will expire on May 31.

    The NATO aircraft have the capacity to track other aircraft at distances of up to 250 miles and will fly over Swedish airspace on routes between Norway and Poland.

    As part of defense-deepening, Finland and Sweden aim to remove the existing legal impediments that prohibit closer bilateral military cooperation, said Jussi Niinistö, Finland’s defense minister.

    "What is clear is that there should not be statutory limitations that prevent consideration of providing Finnish resources to assist Sweden, or conversely, to prevent Finland from accepting help offered from Sweden," Niinistö said.

    The inter-state dialogue on defense cooperation is expected to include the possibility of joint procurements.

    However, the Finnish government has so far stopped short of declaring a special interest in purchasing the Gripen as part of its defense engagement with Sweden.

    "There has been some speculative noise in Sweden that Saab would do a deal with Finland even in a theoretical contract situation where Finland chose to acquire two different aircraft types. Finland’s fighter replacement process has just commenced, so it is much too early to predict an outcome here," said Kehl.

    The Finnish Ministry of Defense launched its HX Fighter Program at the end of 2015 on the back of an Expert Working Group report in June 2015 that recommended acquisition of a multirole fighter over carrying out an additional upgrade to the Air Force’s 61 F/A-18C/D aircraft.

    The Boeing F/A-18E/F Super Hornet, Dassault Rafale, Eurofighter Typhoon, Lockheed Martin F-35 and the Saab Gripen-E comprise the five fighter type candidates being considered by the HX Fighter Program.

    The request for information (RfI) concerning the HX Fighter Program is due to be sent to aircraft manufacturers in March and replies are required by Oct. 31.

    The HX Fighter Program is being run by the Air Force Command, which will be responsible for project execution and implementation. It is expected that a call for tender will be sent out by the Air Force Command in spring 2018. Under this time frame, the fighter selection decision would take place in 2021.

    http://www.defensenews.com/story/defense/air-space/strike/2016/01/17/swedish-finn-alliance-may-influence-fighter-choice/78801218/


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    Re: Sweden and Finland NATO ambitions:

    Post  GarryB on Mon Jan 18, 2016 7:13 am

    Hahahaha.... Sweden and Finland can make all the defence agreements they like... the reality is however that making military pacts that make them more powerful will just make them targets.

    Right now they are not a problem so they are practically invisible to Russia, but if they join NATO or create a new defence arrangement with Sweden then they will be worthy of attention and focus and more importantly they will find their actual military requirements ignored and their new forces dictated to them by Brussels or Washington.

    By all means they have every right to join military organisations to feel safer... but the huge irony is that joining a powerful military alliance will make them less safe and the whole security situation less stable in Europe...

    Perhaps they need to shoot down some Russian planes... it clearly worked for turkey... NOT.


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    Re: Sweden and Finland NATO ambitions:

    Post  George1 on Tue Mar 08, 2016 12:25 am

    Russia warns Sweden it will face military action if it joins Nato

    http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/russia-warns-sweden-it-will-face-military-action-if-it-joins-nato-10331397.html


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    Re: Sweden and Finland NATO ambitions:

    Post  AlfaT8 on Tue Mar 08, 2016 2:33 pm

    George1 wrote:Russia warns Sweden it will face military action if it joins Nato

    http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/russia-warns-sweden-it-will-face-military-action-if-it-joins-nato-10331397.html

    How does taking measures if/when Sweden joins NATO, constitute as "military action"?

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    Post  Werewolf on Tue Mar 08, 2016 7:24 pm

    AlfaT8 wrote:
    George1 wrote:Russia warns Sweden it will face military action if it joins Nato

    http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/russia-warns-sweden-it-will-face-military-action-if-it-joins-nato-10331397.html

    How does taking measures if/when Sweden joins NATO, constitute as "military action"?

    If you are the bully, blame russia.

    If in doubt how to make headlines to be the victim, blame Putin and Russia.

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    Re: Sweden and Finland NATO ambitions:

    Post  magnumcromagnon on Tue Mar 08, 2016 7:40 pm

    Werewolf wrote:
    AlfaT8 wrote:
    George1 wrote:Russia warns Sweden it will face military action if it joins Nato

    http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/russia-warns-sweden-it-will-face-military-action-if-it-joins-nato-10331397.html

    How does taking measures if/when Sweden joins NATO, constitute as "military action"?

    If you are the bully, blame russia.

    If in doubt how to make headlines to be the victim, blame Putin and Russia.

    What do we expect from certified Lutefisk garglers?

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    Re: Sweden and Finland NATO ambitions:

    Post  Austin on Fri Apr 29, 2016 10:38 am

    So is it certain that Finland and Sweden will join NATO ?

    Finland shares a huge border with Russia and it will be very diffcult for Russia if you have NATO at your border

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    Re: Sweden and Finland NATO ambitions:

    Post  max steel on Fri Apr 29, 2016 12:15 pm

    Austin wrote:So is it certain that Finland and Sweden will join NATO ?

    Finland shares a huge border with Russia and it will be very diffcult for Russia if you have NATO at your border

    http://sputniknews.com/military/20160429/1038812608/russia-missiles-sweden-nato.html

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    Re: Sweden and Finland NATO ambitions:

    Post  Austin on Fri Apr 29, 2016 1:11 pm

    max steel wrote:
    Austin wrote:So is it certain that Finland and Sweden will join NATO ?

    Finland shares a huge border with Russia and it will be very diffcult for Russia if you have NATO at your border

    http://sputniknews.com/military/20160429/1038812608/russia-missiles-sweden-nato.html

    The point I was trying to make with Sweden and Finland loosing its neturality and joining NATO , the buffer that Russia had will be lost for good , Kalingrad Enclave would be severely impacted.

    Too bad

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    Re: Sweden and Finland NATO ambitions:

    Post  Project Canada on Mon May 09, 2016 3:06 pm




    First Base: US Fighter Jets Make Their Debut on Finnish Soil

    http://sputniknews.com/news/20160509/1039304226/finland-us-fighters-exercises.html#ixzz48AB1CN5S

    The situation now is like cancer on its final stage, the cancer (USA) will stop at nothing to encroach further closer to Russian territory, Russia will eventually prepare itself for the ultimate sacrifice of a total nuclear war with the United States, Russia may cease to exist, but all of NATO too will follow. the blame will ultimately fall to NATO for their stupid ambitions for world domination. Such an unfortunate outcome, but its becoming a reality with every aggressive move by NATO scums

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    Re: Sweden and Finland NATO ambitions:

    Post  DerWolf on Mon May 09, 2016 10:30 pm

    Project Canada wrote:


    First Base: US Fighter Jets Make Their Debut on Finnish Soil

    http://sputniknews.com/news/20160509/1039304226/finland-us-fighters-exercises.html#ixzz48AB1CN5S

    The situation now is like cancer on its final stage, the cancer (USA) will stop at nothing to encroach further closer to Russian territory, Russia will eventually prepare itself for the ultimate sacrifice of a total nuclear war with the United States, Russia may cease to exist, but all of NATO too will follow. the blame will ultimately fall to NATO for their stupid ambitions for world domination. Such an unfortunate outcome, but its becoming a reality with every aggressive move by NATO scums

    I dont think that will happen. USA in this way is pressuring Russia because of Russia's indipendent policies and for not being vassal state. Anyway i think Russia in the end will accept to obay US rather than risking a nuclear holocaust.

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    Post  George1 on Tue May 10, 2016 12:25 am

    if Finnish do this they cross the line. Good relations with Russia based so many decades in neutrality


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    Re: Sweden and Finland NATO ambitions:

    Post  magnumcromagnon on Tue May 10, 2016 12:31 am

    DerWolf wrote:
    Project Canada wrote:


    First Base: US Fighter Jets Make Their Debut on Finnish Soil

    http://sputniknews.com/news/20160509/1039304226/finland-us-fighters-exercises.html#ixzz48AB1CN5S

    The situation now is like cancer on its final stage, the cancer (USA) will stop at nothing to encroach further closer to Russian territory, Russia will eventually prepare itself for the ultimate sacrifice of a total nuclear war with the United States, Russia may cease to exist, but all of NATO too will follow. the blame will ultimately fall to NATO for their stupid ambitions for world domination. Such an unfortunate outcome, but its becoming a reality with every aggressive move by NATO scums

    I dont think that will happen. USA in this way is pressuring Russia because of Russia's indipendent policies and for not being  vassal state. Anyway i think Russia in the end will accept to obay US rather than risking a nuclear holocaust.

    You don't seem to get do you? The major expansion of NATO eastward happened under pro-Western neo-liberal charlatan, Boris Yeltsin. No amount of boot-lickers will prevent NATO from pursuing a first strike policy.

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    Re: Sweden and Finland NATO ambitions:

    Post  DerWolf on Tue May 10, 2016 8:37 am

    magnumcromagnon wrote:
    DerWolf wrote:
    Project Canada wrote:


    First Base: US Fighter Jets Make Their Debut on Finnish Soil

    http://sputniknews.com/news/20160509/1039304226/finland-us-fighters-exercises.html#ixzz48AB1CN5S

    The situation now is like cancer on its final stage, the cancer (USA) will stop at nothing to encroach further closer to Russian territory, Russia will eventually prepare itself for the ultimate sacrifice of a total nuclear war with the United States, Russia may cease to exist, but all of NATO too will follow. the blame will ultimately fall to NATO for their stupid ambitions for world domination. Such an unfortunate outcome, but its becoming a reality with every aggressive move by NATO scums

    I dont think that will happen. USA in this way is pressuring Russia because of Russia's indipendent policies and for not being  vassal state. Anyway i think Russia in the end will accept to obay US rather than risking a nuclear holocaust.

    You don't seem to get do you? The major expansion of NATO eastward happened under pro-Western neo-liberal charlatan, Boris Yeltsin. No amount of boot-lickers will prevent NATO from pursuing a first strike policy.

    Just the idea of attacking Russia and starting a nuclear holocaust seems to me something that never gonna happen, no one is so stupid to go so far. I think that USA just wants to make pressure to Russia because Russia is pursuing an indipendent policy.

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    Post  Azi on Tue May 10, 2016 9:50 am

    Project Canada wrote:


    First Base: US Fighter Jets Make Their Debut on Finnish Soil

    http://sputniknews.com/news/20160509/1039304226/finland-us-fighters-exercises.html#ixzz48AB1CN5S

    The situation now is like cancer on its final stage, the cancer (USA) will stop at nothing to encroach further closer to Russian territory, Russia will eventually prepare itself for the ultimate sacrifice of a total nuclear war with the United States, Russia may cease to exist, but all of NATO too will follow. the blame will ultimately fall to NATO for their stupid ambitions for world domination. Such an unfortunate outcome, but its becoming a reality with every aggressive move by NATO scums
    Keep calm!

    It's an exercise, not a permanent base. NATO will have no permanent and massive presence in Sweden and Finland! Both countries are very proud to be neutral and I think it will not change drastic in the next few years, because people see that Russia is not agressive. People don't take the NATO bla bla very serious.

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    Post  GarryB on Tue May 10, 2016 11:21 am

    And how has that pressure gone so far?

    US and EU sanctions on Russia certainly stopped the Russian invasion of the Ukraine because there never was a Russian invasion of the Ukraine.

    Reciprocal sanctions by Russia aimed at EU food has had a significant effect on many EU members... in fact I would say there are quite a few EU members who would beg Russia to take their food exports again... so who is pressuring whom?

    Even if the 'stans joined NATO I doubt Putin would suddenly capitulate and bow and scrape to Brussels and Washington like the leaders in so many countries do... Australia, UK, France, Poland etc etc etc... pathetic.

    Clearly the secret is bribe both left and right parties and ban the ones that wont listen to money and sell out their own people...

    If all of Europe wants to join NATO that is fine... Russia will simply move an appropriate amount of forces to the necessary places and it is sorted.

    If anything NATO at the border is easier to hit with ballistic and cruise missiles... those countries will still be a buffer zone that any ground war will be fought upon, so nothing has really changed... it will just mean NATO will start getting pushed back sooner rather than later.


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    Re: Sweden and Finland NATO ambitions:

    Post  magnumcromagnon on Tue May 10, 2016 7:28 pm

    GarryB wrote:And how has that pressure gone so far?

    US and EU sanctions on Russia certainly stopped the Russian invasion of the Ukraine because there never was a Russian invasion of the Ukraine.

    Reciprocal sanctions by Russia aimed at EU food has had a significant effect on many EU members... in fact I would say there are quite a few EU members who would beg Russia to take their food exports again... so who is pressuring whom?

    Even if the 'stans joined NATO I doubt Putin would suddenly capitulate and bow and scrape to Brussels and Washington like the leaders in so many countries do... Australia, UK, France, Poland etc etc etc... pathetic.

    Clearly the secret is bribe both left and right parties and ban the ones that wont listen to money and sell out their own people...

    If all of Europe wants to join NATO that is fine... Russia will simply move an appropriate amount of forces to the necessary places and it is sorted.

    If anything NATO at the border is easier to hit with ballistic and cruise missiles... those countries will still be a buffer zone that any ground war will be fought upon, so nothing has really changed... it will just mean NATO will start getting pushed back sooner rather than later.

    You don't have to go as far as using cruise and ballistic missiles, MLRS such as Smerch/Tornado-S were likely designed to carry tactical thermonuclear warheads. Smerch/Tornado-S are already monstrosities on the battlefield with conventional munitions, but fit them with tactical thermonuclear warheads and you have Emperors of the Underworld. Maybe it's also worthwhile to take the technology of Koaltion and make a brand new replacement 203 mm artillery peace to replace Pion , with expanded range that pushes well beyond 100 km's, GLONASS kits, glide-kits, etc. I can't forget to mention that Pro-NATO mouth pieces were forced to admit that Russia has a 16 to 1 advantage in MLRS (this is even before the 700 order of additional pieces) and a 24 to 1 advantage of SHORAD in Eastern Europe...which means Russia will have the necessary MLRS (with or without the additional 700) to blitzkreig the border lapdogs and those same lapdogs won't have the necessary amount of SHORAD to defend themselves. Also here's my post from another thread:

    magnumcromagnon wrote:Looks like the big wigs at the most powerful and influential think tank in the U.S. (Rand Corp) are forced to eat humble pie about who has the advantage in Eastern Europe between NATO and Russia:


    Experts believe such a balance of power: Russia will have an initial advantage over the United States and its allies on the tanks in the ratio of 7: 1, by BMP - 5: 1 by attack helicopters - 5: 1, according to conventional artillery - 4: 1 by rocket artillery - 16: 1, by short-range air defense system - 24: 1 and a long-range air defense - 17: 1.

    Analysts told what exactly is superior to Russia, NATO


    The mean/average comes out to 11-to-1 advantage in favor of Russia... lol1

    ...Oh and we can't forget Russia will put 2 different anti-ICBM mobile ABM's (S-500 and Nudol/A-235) into service, something NATO won't have in their arsenal for years to come (probably no earlier than 10-20 years from now). Wink

    http://www.russiadefence.net/t5172-us-aims-at-forming-offensive-force-on-russian-borders-with-eu-support#161620


    BTW there's a long standing historical precedent in war, if a bordering nation is hostile and attacks you, the defending nation has the right to seize and carve out as much of the attacking foreign enemies territory as they can hold! This is in fact a scenario where basically Finland, Baltics, Poland, Ukraine end up being Russian subjects again based on their foolish Pro-NATO self-fulfilling prophecies.

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    Re: Sweden and Finland NATO ambitions:

    Post  GarryB on Wed May 11, 2016 11:40 am

    You don't have to go as far as using cruise and ballistic missiles, MLRS such as Smerch/Tornado-S were likely designed to carry tactical thermonuclear warheads. Smerch/Tornado-S are already monstrosities on the battlefield with conventional munitions, but fit them with tactical thermonuclear warheads and you have Emperors of the Underworld.

    Not underestimating new Russian tactical artillery, they do need cruise missiles and ballistic missiles... because the places they need to hit are deep in EU territory... most european capitals would not give a shit if the capitals of the baltic countries were attacked, but they would listen/ie shit bricks, if their own capitals were directly at threat.

    Just look at the EU amusement to the pain and suffering in Libya and Syria... it was almost entertainment... we are bringing them democracy... so what if tens of millions are displaced from their home and hundreds of thousands are killed... I am safe... but then of course people fleeing the terror in those countries started arriving in Europe and all of a sudden there was a huge problem... not that these people had lost family or homes and jobs... that they were here trying to find a better place to live now that the EU screwed up their countries... and Libya and Syria were a lot better places to live than Saudi arabia or Pakistan... education and healthcare and relatively liberal views of women compared with other countries in the region.


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    Re: Sweden and Finland NATO ambitions:

    Post  George1 on Sat Jul 02, 2016 12:47 pm

    Putin: Russia to respond if Finland joins NATO

    More:
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    Post  sweartome123 on Sun Jul 03, 2016 9:20 pm

    George1 wrote:Putin: Russia to respond if Finland joins NATO

    More:
    http://tass.ru/en/politics/886065

    From the article: ""We have withdrawn our troops to a distance of 1,500 kilometers (from the border). Do you think they will stay there?" [Putin] said at a news conference following Russian-Finnish talks."

    That doesn't seem right. He has to be referring to troops who were stationed there temporarily at one point.

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    Post  airstrike on Sat Oct 01, 2016 5:06 pm

    Sweden to reintroduce compulsory military service from 2018

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    Post  George1 on Tue Oct 18, 2016 5:30 pm

    The rising tide of war paranoia and anti-Russian sentiment which has swept across Scandinavia seems to have reached Finland. Taking its cues from Sweden, Helsinki is considering re-arming the Åland Islands, which have been demilitarized for 160 years.
    Read more: https://sputniknews.com/military/201610171046409731-finland-sweden-gotland-aland/


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