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    Re: Sweden and Finland NATO ambitions:

    Post  George1 on Tue Mar 08, 2016 12:25 am

    Russia warns Sweden it will face military action if it joins Nato

    http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/russia-warns-sweden-it-will-face-military-action-if-it-joins-nato-10331397.html


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    Re: Sweden and Finland NATO ambitions:

    Post  AlfaT8 on Tue Mar 08, 2016 2:33 pm

    George1 wrote:Russia warns Sweden it will face military action if it joins Nato

    http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/russia-warns-sweden-it-will-face-military-action-if-it-joins-nato-10331397.html

    How does taking measures if/when Sweden joins NATO, constitute as "military action"?
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    Re: Sweden and Finland NATO ambitions:

    Post  Werewolf on Tue Mar 08, 2016 7:24 pm

    AlfaT8 wrote:
    George1 wrote:Russia warns Sweden it will face military action if it joins Nato

    http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/russia-warns-sweden-it-will-face-military-action-if-it-joins-nato-10331397.html

    How does taking measures if/when Sweden joins NATO, constitute as "military action"?

    If you are the bully, blame russia.

    If in doubt how to make headlines to be the victim, blame Putin and Russia.
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    Re: Sweden and Finland NATO ambitions:

    Post  magnumcromagnon on Tue Mar 08, 2016 7:40 pm

    Werewolf wrote:
    AlfaT8 wrote:
    George1 wrote:Russia warns Sweden it will face military action if it joins Nato

    http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/russia-warns-sweden-it-will-face-military-action-if-it-joins-nato-10331397.html

    How does taking measures if/when Sweden joins NATO, constitute as "military action"?

    If you are the bully, blame russia.

    If in doubt how to make headlines to be the victim, blame Putin and Russia.

    What do we expect from certified Lutefisk garglers?

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    Re: Sweden and Finland NATO ambitions:

    Post  Austin on Fri Apr 29, 2016 10:38 am

    So is it certain that Finland and Sweden will join NATO ?

    Finland shares a huge border with Russia and it will be very diffcult for Russia if you have NATO at your border
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    Post  max steel on Fri Apr 29, 2016 12:15 pm

    Austin wrote:So is it certain that Finland and Sweden will join NATO ?

    Finland shares a huge border with Russia and it will be very diffcult for Russia if you have NATO at your border

    http://sputniknews.com/military/20160429/1038812608/russia-missiles-sweden-nato.html

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    Re: Sweden and Finland NATO ambitions:

    Post  Austin on Fri Apr 29, 2016 1:11 pm

    max steel wrote:
    Austin wrote:So is it certain that Finland and Sweden will join NATO ?

    Finland shares a huge border with Russia and it will be very diffcult for Russia if you have NATO at your border

    http://sputniknews.com/military/20160429/1038812608/russia-missiles-sweden-nato.html

    The point I was trying to make with Sweden and Finland loosing its neturality and joining NATO , the buffer that Russia had will be lost for good , Kalingrad Enclave would be severely impacted.

    Too bad
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    Post  Project Canada on Mon May 09, 2016 3:06 pm




    First Base: US Fighter Jets Make Their Debut on Finnish Soil

    http://sputniknews.com/news/20160509/1039304226/finland-us-fighters-exercises.html#ixzz48AB1CN5S

    The situation now is like cancer on its final stage, the cancer (USA) will stop at nothing to encroach further closer to Russian territory, Russia will eventually prepare itself for the ultimate sacrifice of a total nuclear war with the United States, Russia may cease to exist, but all of NATO too will follow. the blame will ultimately fall to NATO for their stupid ambitions for world domination. Such an unfortunate outcome, but its becoming a reality with every aggressive move by NATO scums

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    Post  DerWolf on Mon May 09, 2016 10:30 pm

    Project Canada wrote:


    First Base: US Fighter Jets Make Their Debut on Finnish Soil

    http://sputniknews.com/news/20160509/1039304226/finland-us-fighters-exercises.html#ixzz48AB1CN5S

    The situation now is like cancer on its final stage, the cancer (USA) will stop at nothing to encroach further closer to Russian territory, Russia will eventually prepare itself for the ultimate sacrifice of a total nuclear war with the United States, Russia may cease to exist, but all of NATO too will follow. the blame will ultimately fall to NATO for their stupid ambitions for world domination. Such an unfortunate outcome, but its becoming a reality with every aggressive move by NATO scums

    I dont think that will happen. USA in this way is pressuring Russia because of Russia's indipendent policies and for not being vassal state. Anyway i think Russia in the end will accept to obay US rather than risking a nuclear holocaust.
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    Re: Sweden and Finland NATO ambitions:

    Post  George1 on Tue May 10, 2016 12:25 am

    if Finnish do this they cross the line. Good relations with Russia based so many decades in neutrality


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    Re: Sweden and Finland NATO ambitions:

    Post  magnumcromagnon on Tue May 10, 2016 12:31 am

    DerWolf wrote:
    Project Canada wrote:


    First Base: US Fighter Jets Make Their Debut on Finnish Soil

    http://sputniknews.com/news/20160509/1039304226/finland-us-fighters-exercises.html#ixzz48AB1CN5S

    The situation now is like cancer on its final stage, the cancer (USA) will stop at nothing to encroach further closer to Russian territory, Russia will eventually prepare itself for the ultimate sacrifice of a total nuclear war with the United States, Russia may cease to exist, but all of NATO too will follow. the blame will ultimately fall to NATO for their stupid ambitions for world domination. Such an unfortunate outcome, but its becoming a reality with every aggressive move by NATO scums

    I dont think that will happen. USA in this way is pressuring Russia because of Russia's indipendent policies and for not being  vassal state. Anyway i think Russia in the end will accept to obay US rather than risking a nuclear holocaust.

    You don't seem to get do you? The major expansion of NATO eastward happened under pro-Western neo-liberal charlatan, Boris Yeltsin. No amount of boot-lickers will prevent NATO from pursuing a first strike policy.

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    Post  DerWolf on Tue May 10, 2016 8:37 am

    magnumcromagnon wrote:
    DerWolf wrote:
    Project Canada wrote:


    First Base: US Fighter Jets Make Their Debut on Finnish Soil

    http://sputniknews.com/news/20160509/1039304226/finland-us-fighters-exercises.html#ixzz48AB1CN5S

    The situation now is like cancer on its final stage, the cancer (USA) will stop at nothing to encroach further closer to Russian territory, Russia will eventually prepare itself for the ultimate sacrifice of a total nuclear war with the United States, Russia may cease to exist, but all of NATO too will follow. the blame will ultimately fall to NATO for their stupid ambitions for world domination. Such an unfortunate outcome, but its becoming a reality with every aggressive move by NATO scums

    I dont think that will happen. USA in this way is pressuring Russia because of Russia's indipendent policies and for not being  vassal state. Anyway i think Russia in the end will accept to obay US rather than risking a nuclear holocaust.

    You don't seem to get do you? The major expansion of NATO eastward happened under pro-Western neo-liberal charlatan, Boris Yeltsin. No amount of boot-lickers will prevent NATO from pursuing a first strike policy.

    Just the idea of attacking Russia and starting a nuclear holocaust seems to me something that never gonna happen, no one is so stupid to go so far. I think that USA just wants to make pressure to Russia because Russia is pursuing an indipendent policy.

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    Re: Sweden and Finland NATO ambitions:

    Post  Azi on Tue May 10, 2016 9:50 am

    Project Canada wrote:


    First Base: US Fighter Jets Make Their Debut on Finnish Soil

    http://sputniknews.com/news/20160509/1039304226/finland-us-fighters-exercises.html#ixzz48AB1CN5S

    The situation now is like cancer on its final stage, the cancer (USA) will stop at nothing to encroach further closer to Russian territory, Russia will eventually prepare itself for the ultimate sacrifice of a total nuclear war with the United States, Russia may cease to exist, but all of NATO too will follow. the blame will ultimately fall to NATO for their stupid ambitions for world domination. Such an unfortunate outcome, but its becoming a reality with every aggressive move by NATO scums
    Keep calm!

    It's an exercise, not a permanent base. NATO will have no permanent and massive presence in Sweden and Finland! Both countries are very proud to be neutral and I think it will not change drastic in the next few years, because people see that Russia is not agressive. People don't take the NATO bla bla very serious.
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    Re: Sweden and Finland NATO ambitions:

    Post  GarryB on Tue May 10, 2016 11:21 am

    And how has that pressure gone so far?

    US and EU sanctions on Russia certainly stopped the Russian invasion of the Ukraine because there never was a Russian invasion of the Ukraine.

    Reciprocal sanctions by Russia aimed at EU food has had a significant effect on many EU members... in fact I would say there are quite a few EU members who would beg Russia to take their food exports again... so who is pressuring whom?

    Even if the 'stans joined NATO I doubt Putin would suddenly capitulate and bow and scrape to Brussels and Washington like the leaders in so many countries do... Australia, UK, France, Poland etc etc etc... pathetic.

    Clearly the secret is bribe both left and right parties and ban the ones that wont listen to money and sell out their own people...

    If all of Europe wants to join NATO that is fine... Russia will simply move an appropriate amount of forces to the necessary places and it is sorted.

    If anything NATO at the border is easier to hit with ballistic and cruise missiles... those countries will still be a buffer zone that any ground war will be fought upon, so nothing has really changed... it will just mean NATO will start getting pushed back sooner rather than later.


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    Re: Sweden and Finland NATO ambitions:

    Post  magnumcromagnon on Tue May 10, 2016 7:28 pm

    GarryB wrote:And how has that pressure gone so far?

    US and EU sanctions on Russia certainly stopped the Russian invasion of the Ukraine because there never was a Russian invasion of the Ukraine.

    Reciprocal sanctions by Russia aimed at EU food has had a significant effect on many EU members... in fact I would say there are quite a few EU members who would beg Russia to take their food exports again... so who is pressuring whom?

    Even if the 'stans joined NATO I doubt Putin would suddenly capitulate and bow and scrape to Brussels and Washington like the leaders in so many countries do... Australia, UK, France, Poland etc etc etc... pathetic.

    Clearly the secret is bribe both left and right parties and ban the ones that wont listen to money and sell out their own people...

    If all of Europe wants to join NATO that is fine... Russia will simply move an appropriate amount of forces to the necessary places and it is sorted.

    If anything NATO at the border is easier to hit with ballistic and cruise missiles... those countries will still be a buffer zone that any ground war will be fought upon, so nothing has really changed... it will just mean NATO will start getting pushed back sooner rather than later.

    You don't have to go as far as using cruise and ballistic missiles, MLRS such as Smerch/Tornado-S were likely designed to carry tactical thermonuclear warheads. Smerch/Tornado-S are already monstrosities on the battlefield with conventional munitions, but fit them with tactical thermonuclear warheads and you have Emperors of the Underworld. Maybe it's also worthwhile to take the technology of Koaltion and make a brand new replacement 203 mm artillery peace to replace Pion , with expanded range that pushes well beyond 100 km's, GLONASS kits, glide-kits, etc. I can't forget to mention that Pro-NATO mouth pieces were forced to admit that Russia has a 16 to 1 advantage in MLRS (this is even before the 700 order of additional pieces) and a 24 to 1 advantage of SHORAD in Eastern Europe...which means Russia will have the necessary MLRS (with or without the additional 700) to blitzkreig the border lapdogs and those same lapdogs won't have the necessary amount of SHORAD to defend themselves. Also here's my post from another thread:

    magnumcromagnon wrote:Looks like the big wigs at the most powerful and influential think tank in the U.S. (Rand Corp) are forced to eat humble pie about who has the advantage in Eastern Europe between NATO and Russia:


    Experts believe such a balance of power: Russia will have an initial advantage over the United States and its allies on the tanks in the ratio of 7: 1, by BMP - 5: 1 by attack helicopters - 5: 1, according to conventional artillery - 4: 1 by rocket artillery - 16: 1, by short-range air defense system - 24: 1 and a long-range air defense - 17: 1.

    Analysts told what exactly is superior to Russia, NATO


    The mean/average comes out to 11-to-1 advantage in favor of Russia... lol1

    ...Oh and we can't forget Russia will put 2 different anti-ICBM mobile ABM's (S-500 and Nudol/A-235) into service, something NATO won't have in their arsenal for years to come (probably no earlier than 10-20 years from now). Wink

    http://www.russiadefence.net/t5172-us-aims-at-forming-offensive-force-on-russian-borders-with-eu-support#161620


    BTW there's a long standing historical precedent in war, if a bordering nation is hostile and attacks you, the defending nation has the right to seize and carve out as much of the attacking foreign enemies territory as they can hold! This is in fact a scenario where basically Finland, Baltics, Poland, Ukraine end up being Russian subjects again based on their foolish Pro-NATO self-fulfilling prophecies.
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    Re: Sweden and Finland NATO ambitions:

    Post  GarryB on Wed May 11, 2016 11:40 am

    You don't have to go as far as using cruise and ballistic missiles, MLRS such as Smerch/Tornado-S were likely designed to carry tactical thermonuclear warheads. Smerch/Tornado-S are already monstrosities on the battlefield with conventional munitions, but fit them with tactical thermonuclear warheads and you have Emperors of the Underworld.

    Not underestimating new Russian tactical artillery, they do need cruise missiles and ballistic missiles... because the places they need to hit are deep in EU territory... most european capitals would not give a shit if the capitals of the baltic countries were attacked, but they would listen/ie shit bricks, if their own capitals were directly at threat.

    Just look at the EU amusement to the pain and suffering in Libya and Syria... it was almost entertainment... we are bringing them democracy... so what if tens of millions are displaced from their home and hundreds of thousands are killed... I am safe... but then of course people fleeing the terror in those countries started arriving in Europe and all of a sudden there was a huge problem... not that these people had lost family or homes and jobs... that they were here trying to find a better place to live now that the EU screwed up their countries... and Libya and Syria were a lot better places to live than Saudi arabia or Pakistan... education and healthcare and relatively liberal views of women compared with other countries in the region.


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    Re: Sweden and Finland NATO ambitions:

    Post  George1 on Sat Jul 02, 2016 12:47 pm

    Putin: Russia to respond if Finland joins NATO

    More:
    http://tass.ru/en/politics/886065


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    Post  sweartome123 on Sun Jul 03, 2016 9:20 pm

    George1 wrote:Putin: Russia to respond if Finland joins NATO

    More:
    http://tass.ru/en/politics/886065

    From the article: ""We have withdrawn our troops to a distance of 1,500 kilometers (from the border). Do you think they will stay there?" [Putin] said at a news conference following Russian-Finnish talks."

    That doesn't seem right. He has to be referring to troops who were stationed there temporarily at one point.
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    Post  airstrike on Sat Oct 01, 2016 5:06 pm

    Sweden to reintroduce compulsory military service from 2018

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    Re: Sweden and Finland NATO ambitions:

    Post  George1 on Tue Oct 18, 2016 5:30 pm

    The rising tide of war paranoia and anti-Russian sentiment which has swept across Scandinavia seems to have reached Finland. Taking its cues from Sweden, Helsinki is considering re-arming the Åland Islands, which have been demilitarized for 160 years.
    Read more: https://sputniknews.com/military/201610171046409731-finland-sweden-gotland-aland/


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