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    Sweden and Finland NATO ambitions:

    Post  TR1 on Wed Oct 03, 2012 10:05 pm

    http://208.84.116.223/forums/index.php?showtopic=34812&st=0

    Interesting thread, I recommend reading it.

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    Re: Sweden and Finland NATO ambitions:

    Post  SOC on Thu Oct 04, 2012 11:52 pm

    Very interesting, particularly the bit about the Buk-M1.

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    Sweden and Finland will join NATO 2015 or 2016?

    Post  Battalion0415 on Wed Jan 07, 2015 4:07 am

    Finland taken awake Air Force because old Finland wheres in WWII against Soviet.

    7000 in Army.
    1200 in Navy.

    350,000 in reserve.

    Sweden have little under 5400 in Army and 18637 in Home Guards are maybe true.

    I am no sure but booth learning big misstake to have outisde partnership in NATO.

    Finland have Navy in sea war.

    Sweden have Air Force soldiers in outside war.

    Booth must join NATO next year or this year.

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    Re: Sweden and Finland NATO ambitions:

    Post  Werewolf on Wed Jan 07, 2015 5:09 am

    That would be the worst decision ever.

    Joining NATO means participating in an aggressive Terror Organisation and the joining of NATO will bring Finland on the russian Radar, making NATO more aggressive and direct contact with Russian boarder, that will tension everything for Finland and will do nothing good but only problems, economically and from military point of view.

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    Re: Sweden and Finland NATO ambitions:

    Post  Battalion0415 on Wed Jan 07, 2015 12:40 pm

    18637 in Home Guards where in alert in soldf forum skribent writen down soldiers strenght in Home Guards.

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    Re: Sweden and Finland NATO ambitions:

    Post  Battalion0415 on Wed Jan 07, 2015 1:30 pm

    Speciality Swedes need NATO when they have smaller troops near Russia.

    It will cost 3 billion euro to join NATO but it's worth every money Sweden give to NATO.

    Russia can attack's Sweden about 10 year in future and Sweden need help from outside country.

    All help Sweden need to fight back enemies.

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    Re: Sweden and Finland NATO ambitions:

    Post  Werewolf on Wed Jan 07, 2015 1:51 pm

    May i ask how old are you?

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    Re: Sweden and Finland NATO ambitions:

    Post  Werewolf on Wed Jan 07, 2015 1:51 pm

    May i ask how old you are?

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    Re: Sweden and Finland NATO ambitions:

    Post  Battalion0415 on Wed Jan 07, 2015 2:03 pm

    28 year.

    Question

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    Re: Sweden and Finland NATO ambitions:

    Post  Werewolf on Wed Jan 07, 2015 2:50 pm

    Because you seem disconnected from reality and the current global politics situation the US is driving Europe and the rest of the world in.

    Russia won't and does not seek to attack anyone and could not give less of shit about scandinavian countries.

    Sweden is already in NATO which is quite visible to anyone who can follow which kind of Propaganda is repeated over and over again over there, that means politics are already driving Sweden via NATO (USA) with constant Anti-russian nonsense coming from some parallel universe where USA is actually called Russia, at least that is the most likely situation where such garbage can come from.

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    Re: Sweden and Finland NATO ambitions:

    Post  Hannibal Barca on Wed Jan 07, 2015 3:02 pm

    Obviously some unemployed, leftist, Swedish male in his late 20s. Single, lonely, suicidal and living on benefits. The typical image for those losers. Don't pay much attention.

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    Post  Battalion0415 on Wed Jan 07, 2015 3:16 pm

    I am allready Gud in my adult.

    Anyway. Sweden need 40 Typhoon.

    10x3 division's plus ten planes for help other NATO members if we joined NATO close future.

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    Re: Sweden and Finland NATO ambitions:

    Post  magnumcromagnon on Wed Jan 07, 2015 3:32 pm

    Battalion0415 wrote:Speciality Swedes need NATO when they have smaller troops near Russia.

    It will cost 3 billion euro to join NATO but it's worth every money Sweden give to NATO.

    Russia can attack's Sweden about 10 year in future and Sweden need help from outside country.

    All help Sweden need to fight back enemies.

    What utter nonsense. Sweden claimed that Russian subs violated their waters, and now the story seemed to completely go away without a trace of evidence proving speculation. Remeber the Great Northern War, where Sweden invaded Russia and Russia moped the floor with the Swedes!

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    Post  Battalion0415 on Wed Jan 07, 2015 3:32 pm

    Thinking 40 Typhoon to size of 41000 soldiers. yes sir

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    Post  Werewolf on Wed Jan 07, 2015 3:41 pm

    Seems like a horrible bot programmed by some illiterate repeating nonsense and numbers completley disconnected from reality and funnily trying to engage in a war.

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    Re: Sweden and Finland NATO ambitions:

    Post  Battalion0415 on Wed Jan 07, 2015 4:16 pm

    Finland will war fight with float in NATO if they taken Air Force away from finnish defence.

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    Re: Sweden and Finland NATO ambitions:

    Post  flamming_python on Wed Jan 07, 2015 6:29 pm

    No-one gives a crap about Finland or Sweden in Russia - why the hell would we ever invade them?

    If we're talking about threats - the only threat we have is the US. While Sweden is its enthusiastic sidekick; in and of itself it doesn't constitute a threat.

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    Re: Sweden and Finland NATO ambitions:

    Post  Flyingdutchman on Thu Jan 08, 2015 9:51 pm

    Finland joining NATO will mean war...

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    Post  Battalion0415 on Thu Jan 08, 2015 9:59 pm

    Finland have big reserve force in eastern and in western coast.

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    Re: Sweden and Finland NATO ambitions:

    Post  flamming_python on Fri Jan 09, 2015 12:51 am

    Flyingdutchman wrote:Finland joining NATO will mean war...

    I doubt it, it will just mean that Finland becomes yet another pawn of Anglo-American interests in Europe and would have to be ready to sacrifice hundreds of thousands of its men as cannon-fodder on the front-line for NATO.

    It would increase the risk of war, lead to a build-up of forces in the region, deployment of some of Russia's most lethal weapons in proximity due to the new huge imbalance of conventional forces that the situation would create, and in general it would lead more to the thing that most of the Finnish population wants to avoid - but it probably won't lead to a Russian-NATO war by itself.

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    Re: Sweden and Finland NATO ambitions:

    Post  Battalion0415 on Sat Jan 10, 2015 9:28 pm

    If Sweden don't join NATO it is never, ever NATO.

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    Re: Sweden and Finland NATO ambitions:

    Post  GarryB on Sun Jan 11, 2015 4:45 am

    I rather suspect Finland joining NATO would hurt trade between Russia and Finland and further reorient Russian focus away from Europe.

    Sweden joining NATO likely wont effect relations with Russia that much because relations don't seem that good anyway and Sweden does not border Russia.


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    Re: Sweden and Finland NATO ambitions:

    Post  Battalion0415 on Sun Jan 11, 2015 2:55 pm

    Finnish defence force.

    Army:

    Northern Jaeger Brigade: 25100 soldiers.
    Operational forces: 60000 soldiers.
    Local Defense Troops: 60000 soldiers.

    Air Force:

    38000 soldiers.

    Navy:

    30200 seeman.

    Border and Coast Guard:

    Will be 11600 seeman and soldiers.

    Stab and officiers will been 6300 man. But no in war zone.

    So it will be 224,900 soldiers and seeman this year in military reform. 7-11 months ago until it's finished.

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    Re: Sweden and Finland NATO ambitions:

    Post  Battalion0415 on Sun Jan 11, 2015 6:01 pm

    Finland have 62 F/A-18 C/D Hornet in today defence. On they way 30/40/50 Super Hornets.

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    Re: Sweden and Finland NATO ambitions:

    Post  Kyo on Sun Jan 11, 2015 9:00 pm

    Here we go again. Chapter 2 of the Swedish hysteria over Russian submarines near Stockholm.

    http://sputniknews.com/europe/20150111/1016767901.html

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