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    Re: Russian Military involvement and aid to Syria

    Post  max steel on Thu Oct 01, 2015 1:02 am

    Jabhat al-Nusra fighters panicking while Russian jets are striking their positions near Talbisah, a town 10km to the north from Homs



    Syrian hero Hanadi Assoud stands up in the face of anti-resistance and anti-Syrian Jamal Rifi after he attacked Syrian president at event organised last night


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    Re: Russian Military involvement and aid to Syria

    Post  max steel on Thu Oct 01, 2015 1:04 am

    Russian Military Intervention in Syria


    Western governments and mass media are putting out reports that Russia’s first air sorties in Homs and Hama in Syria “are not targeting ISIS” and that this demonstrates that Putin has no intention of fighting jihadists but has intervened in Syria to prop up the Basar Assad regime. They deliberately are not telling you several things.

    First, ISIS (IS, the Islamic State) is not the only jihadist group among the various Syrian rebels. The most prominent and radical non-IS jihadist group is Jabhat al-Nusra (JN). Another important group is the Islamic Front (IF). Neither the JN nor IF is a ‘moderate’ force (www.voanews.com/content/al-qaida-pursues-longer-term-strategy-than-rival-islamic-state-jihadists-study-says/2984053.html and www.understandingwar.org/sites/default/files/JN%20Final.pdf).

    The other so-called ‘moderate’ rebel force, the Free Syrian Army (FSA), is dominated in its political wing by the Muslim Brotherhood and often fights side-by-side with JN and IF. A frequent tactic is for JN forces to run reconnaissance, initial contact raids, and suicide bombings to prepare the ground for a joint rebel assault. We know that weapons sent to the FSA by the West and its Arab allies have ended up in the hands of JN and IS. Moreover, both JN and less so the FSA occasionally fight together with IS against Assad government forces. So it is somewhat artifical to separate the groups when it comes to operations against the Syrian army. The bottom line for Putin and Assad is that the FSA is allied against Assad and often sides with (but also at times fights against) the jihadists of JN and the Islamic Front, if not IS.

    Second, JN has carried out operations in Homs and Hama seeking to break the Assad regime’s hold on those two key cities for rebel troops in the area, specifically FSA forces. Thus, in February 2014 JN seized the town of Morek on the strategic M5 highway extending the jihadi rebels hold on Idlib province south to Hama province and towards Hama city, thereby preventing Syrian army efforts to move north and challenge JN and IS strongholds in Aleppo and Idlib. In August 2014 JN forces massed for an assault farther south near the town of Merhada just west of Hama, but JN was quickly repelled before ti could mount an attack. In April 1914 JN mounted an unsuccessful assault to break the Syrian army’s siege of Homs.

    Third, the areas of Homs and Hama are two strategic strongholds vitally necessary to hold in order to protect Russia’s Tartus naval base and its new base near Latakiya from rebel attack. Each sits on the M5 highway connecting the city with the Mediterranean coast to the west where Tartus and Latakiya are located. M5 is Syria’s central artery and is crucial for any force to control. JN has been involved in battles along M5 in the north at Aleppo the Syria’s southern city of Dara at the Jordanian border.

    So these initial sorties’ geographical foci make sense for Russia if it hopes to secure its bases of operations in Syria. Militarily, any initial targeting of the FSA, if it did occur, does not preclude Russian attacks on JN, IF and IS in the near future.

    Again, this does not mean that Putin is not primarily interested in saving Assad, but it does mean that he has multiple motives. It is unlikely Putin would have intervened solely to save Assad and strengthen Russia’s hand in the Middle East. As detailed numerous times on this site, both Al Qaida and JN, on the one hand, and IS, on the other, have allies in Russia’s Caucasus. The Caucasus Emirate (CE or IK) mujahedin are allied with the former; the Caucasus Vilaiyat of the Islamic State (CVIS of VKIG) with the latter. Putin is equally focused on this battle in both its parts as he is on strengthening Assad and exposing American fecklessness in the region.

    So when you hear Russia is not targeting IS, you are being snookered.

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    Re: Russian Military involvement and aid to Syria

    Post  max steel on Thu Oct 01, 2015 1:07 am

    Rodinazombie wrote: BBC




    Few notes to media, for any journalists covering the Syria crisis who also don't want to be complete dicks =

    1 - Russia's airstrikes on Syria are legal under international law. You might want to make mention of that when making comparisons.

    2 - The Russian parliament has authorized the use of force (unlike the US Congress or the British parliament) - might be worth a mention.

    3 - Your agenda is transparent when you do mention the above, but use the word "rubber-stamp" for the Russian legislature and "votes" for the French one.

    4 - It's really obvious what dicks you are when you ignore civilian casualties of US/NATO ally strikes for months on end while defending the "necessity" of the "humanitarian" bombing...and then immediately hone in with exact numbers after one day of Russian strikes, as if you care.

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    Re: Russian Military involvement and aid to Syria

    Post  PapaDragon on Thu Oct 01, 2015 1:34 am


    ''Kurds Want Russia's Help in Fight Against ISIL, Nusra Front''

    http://sputniknews.com/military/20151001/1027821354/Kurds-Want-Russian-Help-in-Fight-Against-ISIL-NusraFront.html

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    Re: Russian Military involvement and aid to Syria

    Post  Zivo on Thu Oct 01, 2015 2:18 am

    I geolocated the first airstrike.

    https://www.google.com/maps/place/35%C2%B018'32.4%22N+36%C2%B037'16.7%22E/@35.30901,36.621313,743m/data=!3m2!1e3!4b1!4m2!3m1!1s0x0:0x0

    I'm currently searching for the building compound that got hit.

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    Re: Russian Military involvement and aid to Syria

    Post  magnumcromagnon on Thu Oct 01, 2015 2:24 am

    PapaDragon wrote:
    ''Kurds Want Russia's Help in Fight Against ISIL, Nusra Front''

    http://sputniknews.com/military/20151001/1027821354/Kurds-Want-Russian-Help-in-Fight-Against-ISIL-NusraFront.html

    It would only make sense to create a united front of Kurds and Shia Muslims against ISIL/ISIS/IS/IS-SHAM


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    Re: Russian Military involvement and aid to Syria

    Post  Siempre_Leal on Thu Oct 01, 2015 2:25 am

    Zivo wrote:I geolocated the first airstrike.

    https://www.google.com/maps/place/35%C2%B018'32.4%22N+36%C2%B037'16.7%22E/@35.30901,36.621313,743m/data=!3m2!1e3!4b1!4m2!3m1!1s0x0:0x0

    I'm currently searching for the building compound that got hit.

    Yeah, that's the ammo depot.

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    Re: Russian Military involvement and aid to Syria

    Post  mutantsushi on Thu Oct 01, 2015 4:22 am

    magnumcromagnon wrote:You should really re-post what you posted in the other Syrian thread about the White Helmets. It's a real 'eye-opener!'
    I disagree, anybody can just as easily read that thread, this one should focus on Russian role.
    I mean it's unavoidable that some material may be applicable to both threads, but copy+paste just adds clutter...
    Not necessary to rehash it all here beyond noting their PR re: Russian strikes was easily proved to be false.
    LINK to the other post(thread) if you really want to.


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    Re: Russian Military involvement and aid to Syria

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    Re: Russian Military involvement and aid to Syria

    Post  higurashihougi on Thu Oct 01, 2015 6:01 am

    magnumcromagnon wrote:
    PapaDragon wrote:
    ''Kurds Want Russia's Help in Fight Against ISIL, Nusra Front''

    http://sputniknews.com/military/20151001/1027821354/Kurds-Want-Russian-Help-in-Fight-Against-ISIL-NusraFront.html

    It would only make sense to create a united front of Kurds and Shia Muslims against ISIL/ISIS/IS/IS-SHAM

    Seems like the Kurd's policy is following the winds. Except ISIL, they are eager to making compromise with anyone.

    Well they are relatively the most vunelarble, after all.

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    Re: Russian Military involvement and aid to Syria

    Post  HUNTER VZLA on Thu Oct 01, 2015 6:06 am

    Voice recording from September 25 on Russian military actions in Syria



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    Re: Russian Military involvement and aid to Syria

    Post  George1 on Thu Oct 01, 2015 7:58 am



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    Re: Russian Military involvement and aid to Syria

    Post  mack8 on Thu Oct 01, 2015 10:00 am

    First official footage of the aircraft from Syria. It looks like they completely masked the star and RF number isn't it? They should leave the star imo. That Su-24 with the peeled paint off it's nose, i think i've seen it recently, from that we can guess what unit is from.
    http://www.1tv.ru/
    http://tvzvezda.ru/news/vstrane_i_mire/content/201510010745-ickp.htm

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    Re: Russian Military involvement and aid to Syria

    Post  higurashihougi on Thu Oct 01, 2015 10:37 am

    Eh heh heh, the West "didn't want to"... I like these words. Twisted Evil

    http://www.rt.com/news/317140-russia-syria-strikes-succeed/

    Russia will succeed where West probably didn’t want to – Assad’s aide to RT

    A Syrian presidential aide has praised Russian air support in the fight against terrorists, slamming the West’s “ineffective” airstrikes. Media adviser Bouthaina Shaaban told RT she believes Russian intervention will help stabilize the situation in Syria.

    Speaking on behalf of her country, President Assad’s political and media adviser has said that Syria “hopes” that Russia’s assistance will help Damascus “undermine terrorism” and “restore peace and security”.

    “But it’s not only against Islamic State,” Bouthaina Shaaban told RT. “I don’t know why people … why do they forget about Jabhat al-Nusra, although the [UN] Security Council resolution spoke about or considered both Al Nusra and IS a terrorist organization."

    “Besides these, there are tens of terrorist organizations in Syria. There are thousands of mercenaries and terrorists coming from all over the world.”


    (...)

    “What I know is – the way Russia did things – that it did it both in full cooperation with the Syrian government; in consultation with the entire world – Putin was asking any country in the world to join in fighting terrorism – and, therefore, I think the style of fighting terrorism is very convincing by Russians, while the alliance that was made by the US and the West did not really either follow the rules of international legitimacy or coordinate with the Syrian government, and didn’t really mean to fight terrorism,” Shaaban said, adding that the US-led operation had proven to be ineffective.

    Citing Iraq and Libya as examples, Shaaban has accused the US and its allies of looking “to destroy our countries in order to destroy our civilization, in order to destroy our people”, instead of pursuing peace in Syria.


    (...)

    Russia, on the contrary, Shaaban said is “committed to international legitimacy and to respect of country’s sovereignty.”

    “That’s why I feel that the Russians are going to succeed ... [where] the West didn’t or didn’t want to succeed, probably. I’m not sure,” she said.

    President Assad’s aide has called on the US and the international community to “wake up and see what’s happening on the ground.”

    “It’s very easy to sit in New York and talk about concept, but it’s very different – the truth in Syria,” she said. “And the reality is very different from what the Americans and John Kerry is saying.”

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    Re: Russian Military involvement and aid to Syria

    Post  JohninMK on Thu Oct 01, 2015 12:16 pm

    Another 1-2000 tons od 'stuff' on the way.

    Last week we have saw a drastic increase in Russian warships movements through Turkish Straits.

    One ship Alexander Otrakovski returned to the Black Sea, while 6 other warships R-109, Ladny, Moskva, Saratov, Nikolay Filchenkov and KIL-158 made their southbound passage. The landings ship are on their cargo delivery missions whereas the larger warships are going to take part in a naval exercise around Cyprus, on 30 September 2015.

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    Re: Russian Military involvement and aid to Syria

    Post  Project Canada on Thu Oct 01, 2015 12:20 pm


    Saudi Arabia demands Russia end Syria raids, criticizes Iran

    DUBAI (Reuters) - Saudi Arabia, a leading foe of President Bashar al-Assad, demanded his ally Russia end its raids on Syria, saying the strikes had caused civilian casualties while failing to target the hardline Islamic State militants Moscow says it opposes.

    In remarks at the United Nations in New York, a senior Saudi diplomat suggested both Russia and Assad's other main ally Iran could not claim to fight Islamic State "terrorism" at the same time as supporting the "terrorism" of the Syrian authorities.

    Saudi ambassador Abdallah Al-Mouallimi expressed "profound concern regarding the military operations which Russian forces have carried out in Homs and Hama today, places where ISIS forces are not present. These attacks led to a number of innocent victims. We demand it stop immediately and not recur."

    http://news.yahoo.com/saudi-arabia-says-deeply-concerned-russia-attacks-syria-075557551.html

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    Re: Russian Military involvement and aid to Syria

    Post  higurashihougi on Thu Oct 01, 2015 12:35 pm

    magnumcromagnon wrote:
    Project Canada wrote:Please correct me if my impression is wrong but it seems to me that Russian air to surface weapons needs improvement with their accuracy?

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=K_PzdUSXkdg

    Not necessarily, the bombed dropped could be a armor piercing/bunker buster, it's likely that what they hit was probably hidden catacombs.


    Some claims that a KAB-2000 piercing bomb hit somewhere in the tunnel behind the ground. The white smoke are stuffs from inside the tunnel flushed outward the ground via the tunnel gates.



    Another strike hit somewhere with a big tunnel gate, created big smoke.



    So if these opinions are right, then the whole tunnel system - together with humans inside... RIP. Twisted Evil Twisted Evil


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    Re: Russian Military involvement and aid to Syria

    Post  PapaDragon on Thu Oct 01, 2015 1:07 pm

    thumbsup russia

    Russian Airstrikes Destroy ISIL HQ in Syria

    The Russian Air Force overnight destroyed a terrorist headquarters and arms depot in Syria’s northwestern Idlib region during airstrikes aimed at Islamic State militants, the press service of the Russian Defense Ministry said Thursday.


    http://www.sputniknews.com/middleeast/20151001/1027839957/russian-airstrikes-destroy-isil-hq-in-syria.html

    “A headquarters of terrorist groups and an arms depot were destroyed in the region of Ildib, as well as a militant three-level fortified command point in the region of Hama [in west-central Syria],” the press service said.

    Russian aircraft attacked four ISIL sites in Syria. During the airstrikes factory where terrorists loaded cars with explosives was destroyed.

    More than 50 Russian Air Force airplanes and helicopters are involved in airstrikes against Islamic State positions in Syria, the press service of the Russian Defense Ministry said Thursday.

    “The aviation group was deployed very quickly. We were able to do this since the main supplies of material and arms were stored in the material-technical support point in Tartus [Syria]. All that was left to do was to deploy aviation and bring some equipment in,” the press service said.

    Russia launched an aerial campaign on Wednesday, at the request of Syrian President Bashar Assad, targeting eight IS military hardware, arms and fuel depots. To that end, Moscow recently established a joint Baghdad Information Center with Iran, Iraq and Syria to coordinate efforts in combating the terrorist group.

    The Russian Defense Ministry has confirmed that it has already carried out some 20 combat missions in Syria since the campaign started, striking at least eight ISIL targets.


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    Re: Russian Military involvement and aid to Syria

    Post  ult on Thu Oct 01, 2015 1:08 pm

    New official video from the Russian MoD.


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    Re: Russian Military involvement and aid to Syria

    Post  Rodinazombie on Thu Oct 01, 2015 1:09 pm



    Four more targets hit overnight according to the video.

    This channel is named as the russian ministry of defence channel, is it legit does anyone know?

    Anyway, its amusing to see the ukrops having a seizure and foaming over this.

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    Re: Russian Military involvement and aid to Syria

    Post  Khepesh on Thu Oct 01, 2015 1:17 pm

    Rodinazombie wrote:

    This channel is named as the russian ministry of defence channel, is it legit does anyone know?
    Legit, here is Defence Ministry site with the same video http://mil.ru/ number 2 on the slideshow at this time

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    Re: Russian Military involvement and aid to Syria

    Post  JohninMK on Thu Oct 01, 2015 1:26 pm

    The more successful the attacks are the more angst is going to come out of ISIS 'supporters'.

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    Re: Russian Military involvement and aid to Syria

    Post  KoTeMoRe on Thu Oct 01, 2015 1:35 pm

    Project Canada wrote:Please correct me if my impression is wrong but it seems to me that Russian air to surface weapons needs improvement with their accuracy?


    Those are Dumb bombs. He-Frag probably 250/500 kg bombs.

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    Re: Russian Military involvement and aid to Syria

    Post  Khepesh on Thu Oct 01, 2015 1:37 pm

    How easily they are fooled.....

    http://finance.yahoo.com/news/one-russians-seen-fighting-syria-162635789.html

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    Re: Russian Military involvement and aid to Syria

    Post  KoTeMoRe on Thu Oct 01, 2015 1:37 pm

    higurashihougi wrote:
    magnumcromagnon wrote:
    Project Canada wrote:Please correct me if my impression is wrong but it seems to me that Russian air to surface weapons needs improvement with their accuracy?

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=K_PzdUSXkdg

    Not necessarily, the bombed dropped could be a armor piercing/bunker buster, it's likely that what they hit was probably hidden catacombs.

    Some claims that a KAB-2000 piercing bomb hit somewhere in the tunnel behind the ground. The white smoke are stuffs from inside the tunnel flushed outward the ground via the tunnel gates.



    Another strike hit somewhere with a big tunnel gate, created big smoke.



    So if these opinions are right, then the whole tunnel system - together with humans inside... RIP. Twisted Evil Twisted Evil

    As shown on the ground and given the rather limited size of the explosion, those are 250/500 kg bombs. 2000 kg bombs would have ruined a lot of people's day. One can always hope.

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