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    Post  dino00 on Wed May 01, 2019 1:12 am

    Kimppis:

    I think you did a great job debunking that trash article, and putting the link if anyone wants to see.
    Great post!
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    Post  kvs on Wed May 01, 2019 2:22 am

    Transition to a professional military force has been the policy for over 15 years. There is clear progress in this area and this article
    sounds like the sort of fantasy drivel that is produced in Banderatard-land about the Kerch Strait bridge. That it will never will be built,
    that it isn't really there and that it will fall apart before it can really be used...ad nauseam. Nobody in NATO has demonstrated any
    proven case of failure in Russia in basically anything. All these articles are pure masturbatory delusional projection. Do these clowns
    think it will become true if they write it?
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    Post  franco on Wed May 01, 2019 2:46 am

    Russia recently revealed that its 2015 program to offer para-military training to teenagers had so far gained 350,000 members (and has a goal of one million).
    What is he talking about here?




    He is talking about the Unarmy Patriotic Youth Organization. An organization sponsored by the Military for teenagers. Exists on different levels of involvement ranging from Boy Scouts /Girl Guide type to Military Cadet Corps.


    "The damage the one-year conscript service did to the military was never officially admitted until recently because senior officers were told that anyone speaking about this publicly would do serious damage to their careers. But, as officers with knowledge of the extent of the damage retired or resigned from the military, more of them spoke openly of the problem.
    Because of the growing demand for troops to serve in eastern Ukraine and Syria, there was more discussion on the Internet of the negative impact one-year conscripts have inflicted. Denials from the government were no longer working and active duty generals and admirals unofficially admitted it was all true, and that it was actually as bad as much of the Internet chatter implied.
    It was no secret that the presence of so many ill-trained conscripts in the military discouraged men from joining as volunteers (contract soldiers) and many existing officers and career enlisted men were leaving as well. For years it had been generally believed that the only effective units in the Russian military were the 100,000 or so troops in the Spetsnaz (special operations) and airborne units and even these units took some conscript volunteers and used them for support jobs requiring less training and experience."



    Russian Combat Regiments / Brigades breakdown to form 3 BTG's or Battalion Tactical Groups. In NATO parlance these are called Battle Groups, the basic combined arms fighting unit of all modern military's. A standard BTG would be a Motor Rifle / Tank battalion supported by a company of Tanks / Motor Rifle, a SP howitzer battery (company), maybe a MRL battery depending on the situation, a platoon or company of anti-tank, engineer, air defense, reconnaissance and whatever other support arms deemed necessary to the assigned situation. Two out of the three BTG's are comprised of contract soldiers only and they are the fighting units. The third BTG is comprised of conscripts led by contract NCO's and their role would be in support (holding and clearing won battlefields).

    Russian military units compete for the title of "Shock Troops". Winners get financial bonuses along with first debs on new equipment. To obtain this status, the unit must exhibit a high level of training and equipment readiness.

    This is not your father's Russian Military.
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    Post  miketheterrible on Wed May 01, 2019 7:12 am

    The article was poorly written and yes, Kimmpis did a good job of breaking it apart.  Credibility of course doesn't exist when not a single source and numbers provided.  Russian flight hours since 2012 has been 125h average per pilot.  As for equipment, I'm not sure what is being said. Majority of US and NATO gear is old cold war era shit but given some modernizations here and there. There is very few new stuff.  Since lately, majority of procurement are systems newer or modernized cold war era. Su-34, Su-30SM, and Su-35 are all newer. Yes, some of these systems were thought up as during end of Soviet Union but they never saw light of day. Most of it isn't even the same aircraft anyway. Now add in missiles (Iskander, Yars, Kinzhal, etc) are all post Soviet stuff.  Armata and Su-57 are examples of newer stuff.  

    Then the article goes on about moral and what not but doesn't give anything to provide as evidence.

    Procurement has been rather steady and as Kimmpis said, transparent (for most part): new AD systems, new fighter jets, new ships, new everything. Soldiers in Russia now look nothing like soldiers did back in 2008 Georgian conflict. They are all looking professional now.

    Yes, there is room for modernization, and that is purpose of the SAP program. Russia also shows how much it spent per year on military procurement.

    As for no money comment, that is what really brings the obvious out from this article - that it's a collection of garbage.  Russia operates a surplus. Wish we could say the same for most countries.

    kvs wrote:Transition to a professional military force has been the policy for over 15 years.   There is clear progress in this area and this article
    sounds like the sort of fantasy drivel that is produced in Banderatard-land about the Kerch Strait bridge.   That it will never will be built,
    that it isn't really there and that it will fall apart before it can really be used...ad nauseam.    Nobody in NATO has demonstrated any
    proven case of failure in Russia in basically anything.    All these articles are pure masturbatory delusional projection.   Do these clowns
    think it will become true if they write it?

    There are different kinds of people in this world. Judging by the article on how poorly written it was and lack of detail or even backup stats (none actually) combined with the amateur web design, gives indication that he/she is an amateur "military analyst" which hopes that when writing such nonsense, they may get funding from anti Russian groups or get some sort of Fame like Carl Kopp or that asshole from Russian Defense Policy.

    If the person is already notorious, then this is even worst. I'm no specialist at all, but even I know to use sources to backup my claims like all written essays. That is even taught in English class all the way to grade 12.
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    Post  Kimppis on Wed May 01, 2019 9:46 pm

    Thanks for the replies.

    And yeah, I just love the "upgraded late-Soviet era Western equipment = modern, upgraded late-Soviet era Russian equipment = outdated" meme.

    He is talking about the Unarmy Patriotic Youth Organization. An organization sponsored by the Military for teenagers. Exists on different levels of involvement ranging from Boy Scouts /Girl Guide type to Military Cadet Corps.


    So what's the "deadline" for one million? Either way, seems like his description of the organization was a "little" misleading... Speaking of teenagers, the author seemed like one to me. I'm not even kidding, some 17 year old Russian-speaking Russophobe from Eastern Europe/Russia itself who is, as miketheterrible put it, "an amateur "military analyst" which hopes that when writing such nonsense, they may get funding from anti Russian groups or get some sort of Fame like Carl Kopp or that asshole from Russian Defense Policy."

    And indeed, in addition to procurement numbers, we know for a fact that, even after 2015-16:

    - Flight hours have increased

    - The availability rate of aircraft has increased

    - more and more contract soldiers every year

    - morale and conditions have improved, and the military's reputation has considerably improved among the Russian public

    But has there been an unexpected slowdown in the number of contract soldiers? How many are needed anyway for a fully professional military? 600,000? 700,000?
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    Post  franco on Wed May 01, 2019 11:06 pm

    But has there been an unexpected slowdown in the number of contract soldiers? How many are needed anyway for a fully professional military? 600,000? 700,000?

    Present plans call for a fully professional military of 700,000 officers, warrant officers, sergeants and contract soldiers. Another 225-240,000 conscripts and 60-70,000 cadets in Military Schools (these cadets maybe Officer, Warrant Officer or Sergeant). There has been a slowdown which I suspect is the result of several factors. There seems to be an increase occurring right now in which an additional 10,000 contract and 6,000 conscripts are coming into service. It will be a month or two to confirm however this will allow the new Divisions to become fully operational. In fact this increase in new units has caused the growth of the percentage of "modern military weapons and equipment" to slow down as old equipment is brought out of storage and made serviceable for the new units.


    So what's the "deadline" for one million?

    This is one of Shoigu's pet projects. Not sure if this is realistic but they wanted it by the 75th anniversary of VE Day in 2020.


    "Speaking of teenagers, the author seemed like one to me"


    Noticed that one of authors was a Spec 4 (Corporal) back over 50 years ago. Perhaps he has commenced his second childhood Smile
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    Post  miketheterrible on Thu May 02, 2019 1:38 am

    He probably ran out of money so he is seeking funding as a "think tank" to pay for his habbit of booze, blow and hookers.

    Slowdown is interesting though in taking in contract soldiers. I believe it was you franko that last posted that over 150,000 came to sign up but only few got selected?

    I think there may be one other issue - the fit of the men. My understanding is they are rather strict on how fit the soldiers should be before giving them lucrative contract. So maybe more conscripts and then hiring them on later?

    National guard though has way more people in it.
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    Post  franco on Sat May 25, 2019 6:03 pm

    About the rear

    In the MTO system serve 165 thousand soldiers and 145 thousand civilians. This is almost 30% of the Russian army. The system prepares 3 million servings of food per day, issues 15 million items of clothing per year, contains 120 thousand units of military equipment and 400 thousand vehicles.
    [...] Dining rooms and galleys - more than 3 thousand, including 887 transferred to food with elements of the "buffet". At the same time, 730 canteens have the function of ordering food and are equipped with an access control system. Simply put, if you are registered in the system, that is, you get up for contentment, put your thumb on the scanner - and you get breakfast, lunch or dinner.
    [...] Places for washing and washing clothes, equipped with shower cabins (42 thousand) and washing machines (14.5 thousand).
    Parks for storage, maintenance and repair of weapons and military equipment - 1.5 thousand. Stationary stations for refueling vehicles - more than 1 thousand.
    Navy support vessels - 68, with 6 new auxiliary fleet vessels taken in 2018. By 2029, their number will be increased to 95.
    For 2018, for the needs of the troops and fleet forces, the MTO system supplied 2 million tons of fuel and lubricants, 85 million items of clothing and equipment, and 7.5 million units of household goods and equipment. In 2018, 2.5 million troops and their families were transported, as well as 7 million tons of military cargo.

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