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    Re: The Jewish Neocon Elite agenda for Russia and Europe

    Post  KomissarBojanchev on Tue Apr 07, 2015 1:43 pm

    Walther von Oldenburg wrote:Most victims of communism worldwide (about 90 million worldwide from 1917 to 1991 - of course ww2 Soviet casualties aren't counted) died of famine - famines that followed collectivization of agriculture and sudden drop of production afterwards - the fruits of commie brilliance when it comes to economic issues.

    The majority of these deaths could be avoided really easily - just let the peasants have their own land.


    Except niether in the USSR or China the vast majority of peasants niether had any land nor had the ability to efficiently produce enough crops and livestock since due to the primitive semifeudalistic agricultural method. They instead worked the massive swathes of private land owned by the rural capitalist class, underpaid and underfed due to the kulak control of the agricultural market.


    You bourgeois always talk about how socialist reforms supposedly worsened agriculture in the USSR and china yet never mention or descrobe how the Czar's or Chiang Hai Shek's was any better. The reason is evident:it wasn't better but actually utter hell with contsant natural famines and exploitative landlords sanctioned by the government  ravaging the peasantry for which you zealously shed crocodile tears for. In fact it was the communist governments that were the first in history in those nations to actually make an effort to STOP famines by mechanising and modernisaing the agriculture and equally distribute aide instead of all the scarce produce being sold in your beloved free market  at massively increased prices by the kulaks just to genrate a profit.

    If you told your bourgeois drivel to some of the peasants that actually lived through collectivisation about the fluffy nice kulaks and private property   they would probably beat you up for insulting their ordeal under the speculatory economic terrorism of the landlords and feudalistic backwardness they endured.
    You also protray collectivisation as communists being a distainct ruling class not unlike feudals coming destroy happycapitalist christian rural life from their faraway fortress of red stanic evil when it was actually the peasants themselves that formed the bulk of communist party membership and stalinist support and spearheaded themselves the collectivasation.
    This analysis exposes what the situation actually was in the place bourgeois pseudohistorians hate be in: the realm of reality



    But I doubt this will make you think since to you bourgeois the free market matters more than human lives.

    And about the 90 million(that's a new number, first it was 100 million , then 40 million , then 35 million then 180million then 300 gazillion make up your minds reactionaries alreadyt Rolling Eyes ) then that was around 20% of the population of both the USSR ajnd china at the time. Would you so kind to back this up with a population growth graph of these countries during the collectivisation that prooves your supposed figures of victims?

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    Re: The Jewish Neocon Elite agenda for Russia and Europe

    Post  sepheronx on Tue Apr 07, 2015 2:14 pm

    http://www.tacitus.nu/historical-atlas/population/russia.htm

    Since I am using my phone, I am not going into detail and just skimmed through so I am not entirely sure of the validity of the source. It goes through the population of Russia in late 19th century to recent.

    Its data of Russia and everyone else stops at around 2010 and even though it makes mention of Russias population decline, it states there is no indication that it will stop, but clearly that is wrong since Russia is facing a domestic population growth now (took a while afterwards). But the data on Ukraine is interesting. While the Ukrainians in western world love to tout holdemor as a genocide, Ukraines population grew from 1926 to 1931 and the real population decline is of recent years.

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    Re: The Jewish Neocon Elite agenda for Russia and Europe

    Post  flamming_python on Tue Apr 07, 2015 2:47 pm

    Walther von Oldenburg wrote:There are no saints during wars, including civil wars. But the majority of Red Terror victims died after the civil war, mostly between 1924 and 1941.

    Communism as a cause of mass death (and famines) is absolutely unrivaled by any other ideology known to man.

    It is overtaken in relative terms by Fascism (killed far more people in a shorter time period), and in absolute terms by Capitalism (including Colonialism)

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    Re: The Jewish Neocon Elite agenda for Russia and Europe

    Post  Werewolf on Tue Apr 07, 2015 2:49 pm

    KomissarBojanchev wrote:
    Werewolf wrote:
    KomissarBojanchev wrote:Christian "values" are just religious bigotry. There is nothing to be proud of in them and they and the church should absolutely not be endorsed. If anything the russian orthodox church shouldn't recieve a single kopek from the govcernment or the people. That way the useless fat mitropolits and patriarchs wont be able to live in princly mansions, wear rollexes and have a fleet of mercedeses financed by gullible bigoted zealots believing in goatfucker created mythology and obsolote social morals.

    Russia should go full on trotskyist on the church oligarchie's social grip, Lenin  was to soft on them.

    Lenin and your fucking trotzky jews both massacred millions with the Red Terror and Cheka, it was necessary that a Stalin came along and fought the scum bolshewics and i am glad he killed thos bolschewics in millions, which were genociding russians. Either you are completley shit in history or you one of those nutheads that advocates genocide, which you actually did in your comment, the advocation of genocide exactly what it is.
    Ah the monarchist reactionary imaginary numbers now lets go in a place which your nazi bourgeois monarchists hate: reality.
    Even the bourgeois wikipedia shows casaulty numbers which are light years from your fantasy:
    supposed number of executed by soviets:250,000 even this is probrably an inflation of numbers by bourgeois historians
    More population dies by the famines in the empire which your beloved anglosaxon puppet dvoryans didn't care about.

    total number of military casaulties: 2700000. This was caused by the agression of the anglosaxon serving bourgeoisie, dvoryans, church and the 14 largest empires against the russian people.

    Now with the REAL massacres then that you ignore:
    at least half a million innocent jewish and russian peasents were massacred by the western imperial troops and dvoryan serving cossacks. When all you bourgeois monarchists rant about the killed during the civil war, these are the ones you should be talking about but that won't happen because you consider the value of the dvoryan's or anglosaxon's  life more than that of a worker or peasant.

    More population dies by the famines in the empire which your beloved anglosaxon puppet dvoryans didn't care about.
    I found an imbecile.

    Are you some extension of Firebird?

    Please refrain from history or political discussions, since you are on of those internet kiddos (yes real kids) that use Wikipedia as a source.


    Then you called me "nazi bourgeois monarchists hate" followed by "More population dies by the famines in the empire which your beloved anglosaxon puppet dvoryans didn't care about."

    So you also went full nuts like Firebird who called me, yes ME a Washington Bot, paid by US.


    Now with the REAL massacres then that you ignore:
    at least half a million innocent jewish and russian peasents were massacred by the western imperial troops and dvoryan serving cossacks. When all you bourgeois monarchists rant about the killed during the civil war, these are the ones you should be talking about but that won't happen because you consider the value of the dvoryan's or anglosaxon's  life more than that of a worker or peasant.

    WTF? Since when does i give a shit about anglo saxons? Is this some parallel universe forum link or something.

    Now two imbeciles on this forum who call me Anglo-saxon lover, i think there is not a single user that despises anglo-saxon politics than me.

    Come back to reality or refrain from talking about politics and history, you clearly bark at the wrong tree.

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    Re: The Jewish Neocon Elite agenda for Russia and Europe

    Post  KomissarBojanchev on Tue Apr 07, 2015 3:19 pm

    Are you some extension of Firebird?

    Please refrain from history or political discussions, since you are on of those internet kiddos (yes real kids) that use Wikipedia as a source.


    Then you called me "nazi bourgeois monarchists hate" followed by "More population dies by the famines in the empire which your beloved anglosaxon puppet dvoryans didn't care about."

    So you also went full nuts like Firebird who called me, yes ME a Washington Bot, paid by US.
    No firebird doesn't seem to be a marxist leninist like me and unlike him I'm not afraid to say that I hate everything judaism and right wing zionism stands for but unlike you I don't make up additional lies about the jewish people or deny that they were persecuted too by the shitty institutionalised Constantine created churches, I also hate everything related with the white army  and nazis. I disagree with most Trotskyist ideas but see the reality of what they actually were: unrealistic defeatist and class-collaborationalist  ideologues who were unawaringly used by capitalists  , not evil subhuman jewish tools of satan on a mission to destroy christian aryans.

    I only used wikipedia to show you that even the most anticommunist  bourgeois source contradicts your claims.


    WTF? Since when does i give a shit about anglo saxons? Is this some parallel universe forum link or something.

    Now two imbeciles on this forum who call me Anglo-saxon lover, i think there is not a single user that despises anglo-saxon politics than me.

    Come back to reality or refrain from talking about politics and history, you clearly bark at the wrong tree.
    If you don't support the anglosaxons then you shouldn't defend neither the romanovs nor the white army since the former were western puppets inbread queen victoria's descendants and thos of the germanic families and the latter triatorously assisted the third  worst attack on the russian nation and it's people for their personal financial gain, the intervention of 1919.

    I don't think you're any bot(firebird went over the top with his useless ad hominem rants) but your claims were just the ones used by russophobic anglosaxon and nazi propaganda before WW2 to discredit the russian revolution which was the worst day in the history of the western capitalist  empires.

    However since  we agree on most economic, political and social issues like capitalism, anglosaxon imperialism and abortion  it was a mistake   to antagonize each other, that's why if anything we should informationally support each other.

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    Re: The Jewish Neocon Elite agenda for Russia and Europe

    Post  Hannibal Barca on Tue Apr 07, 2015 4:55 pm

    Werewolf wrote:
    KomissarBojanchev wrote:
    Werewolf wrote:
    KomissarBojanchev wrote:Christian "values" are just religious bigotry. There is nothing to be proud of in them and they and the church should absolutely not be endorsed. If anything the russian orthodox church shouldn't recieve a single kopek from the govcernment or the people. That way the useless fat mitropolits and patriarchs wont be able to live in princly mansions, wear rollexes and have a fleet of mercedeses financed by gullible bigoted zealots believing in goatfucker created mythology and obsolote social morals.

    Russia should go full on trotskyist on the church oligarchie's social grip, Lenin  was to soft on them.

    Lenin and your fucking trotzky jews both massacred millions with the Red Terror and Cheka, it was necessary that a Stalin came along and fought the scum bolshewics and i am glad he killed thos bolschewics in millions, which were genociding russians. Either you are completley shit in history or you one of those nutheads that advocates genocide, which you actually did in your comment, the advocation of genocide exactly what it is.
    Ah the monarchist reactionary imaginary numbers now lets go in a place which your nazi bourgeois monarchists hate: reality.
    Even the bourgeois wikipedia shows casaulty numbers which are light years from your fantasy:
    supposed number of executed by soviets:250,000 even this is probrably an inflation of numbers by bourgeois historians
    More population dies by the famines in the empire which your beloved anglosaxon puppet dvoryans didn't care about.

    total number of military casaulties: 2700000. This was caused by the agression of the anglosaxon serving bourgeoisie, dvoryans, church and the 14 largest empires against the russian people.

    Now with the REAL massacres then that you ignore:
    at least half a million innocent jewish and russian peasents were massacred by the western imperial troops and dvoryan serving cossacks. When all you bourgeois monarchists rant about the killed during the civil war, these are the ones you should be talking about but that won't happen because you consider the value of the dvoryan's or anglosaxon's  life more than that of a worker or peasant.

    More population dies by the famines in the empire which your beloved anglosaxon puppet dvoryans didn't care about.
    I found an imbecile.

    Are you some extension of Firebird?

    Please refrain from history or political discussions, since you are on of those internet kiddos (yes real kids) that use Wikipedia as a source.


    Then you called me "nazi bourgeois monarchists hate" followed by "More population dies by the famines in the empire which your beloved anglosaxon puppet dvoryans didn't care about."

    So you also went full nuts like Firebird who called me, yes ME a Washington Bot, paid by US.


    Now with the REAL massacres then that you ignore:
    at least half a million innocent jewish and russian peasents were massacred by the western imperial troops and dvoryan serving cossacks. When all you bourgeois monarchists rant about the killed during the civil war, these are the ones you should be talking about but that won't happen because you consider the value of the dvoryan's or anglosaxon's  life more than that of a worker or peasant.

    WTF? Since when does i give a shit about anglo saxons? Is this some parallel universe forum link or something.

    Now two imbeciles on this forum who call me Anglo-saxon lover, i think there is not a single user that despises anglo-saxon politics than me.

    Come back to reality or refrain from talking about politics and history, you clearly bark at the wrong tree.


    He is 17. Give this kid a brake.

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    Re: The Jewish Neocon Elite agenda for Russia and Europe

    Post  max steel on Tue Apr 07, 2015 5:00 pm

    How to turn-off notifications of a specific threaad ?

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    Re: The Jewish Neocon Elite agenda for Russia and Europe

    Post  Vann7 on Tue Apr 07, 2015 5:13 pm

    AngloNeozionism is the worse thing ever to exist in this planet ever.. A thousand times worse
    that anything Nazis did directly or indirectly consequences of the war.  Nazis war crimes at least were stopped with the capture of berlin.  But when was captured the US White House? London? or Telaviv?  The Neoliberal anglozionist powers  which some undercover fascist supporters in this forum ,that everyone knows ,since sabotage this topic created by me , and defend by calling it a "conspiracy" have killed 20-30 millions of people since the they took control of world of world economy..  with 37 nations attacked by them..



    This study reveals that U.S. military forces were directly responsible for about 10 to 15 million deaths during the Korean and Vietnam Wars and the two Iraq Wars. The Korean War also includes Chinese deaths while the Vietnam War also includes fatalities in Cambodia and Laos.

    The American public probably is not aware of these numbers and knows even less about the proxy wars for which the United States is also responsible. In the latter wars there were between nine and 14 million deaths in Afghanistan, Angola, Democratic Republic of the Congo, East Timor, Guatemala, Indonesia, Pakistan and Sudan.

    But the victims are not just from big nations or one part of the world. The remaining deaths were in smaller ones which constitute over half the total number of nations. Virtually all parts of the world have been the target of U.S. intervention.

    The overall conclusion reached is that the United States most likely has been responsible since WWII for the deaths of between 20 and 30 million people in wars and conflicts scattered over the world.


    Deaths In Other Nations Since
    WW II, Due To Us Interventions


    http://www.countercurrents.org/lucas240407.htm

    This are organized mafia of criminals , that LOVE to see people misery , that considers they are exceptional and the world needs them for their lead.  factions that invade nations based on
    weapons of mass Lies they fabricate , Factions that murder thousands of their own citizens as
    they did in WTC 9/11 and later blame it on Talibans in middle east caves. Factions that provoked 2 world wars.. provoked the middle east wars with their "Freedom fighters" they finance and give weapons.. Factions who preventively dropped 2 atomic bombs on cities with millions of civilians ,just to force a nation already defeated to surrender and that are now provoking a third world in Europe and even on mainstream media calls for the killing many Russians . That today are trying to provoke a third world war in Europe . Is laughable whenever i see the "Ethics Police" ,trying to give lectures about rights or wrong .. but completely downplay and whitewash the crimes of the most dangerous  movement that ever existed in the world and still exist today and still continue destroying nations..

    The capability of this Monstrous and evil ideology ,the Neoconservatism ,(which Zionism is just a version of it) to continue to exist in the world is thanks largely to their money ,their control of world media ,and power and their ability to downplay their destructive role in the world ,by calling it a " conspiration " whenever anyone mentions them.


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    Re: The Jewish Neocon Elite agenda for Russia and Europe

    Post  Firebird on Tue Apr 07, 2015 5:50 pm

    max steel wrote:How to turn-off notifications of a specific threaad ?

    Well said. This forum is being killed by a small proportion of Russia hating pro Nazism lunatics.
    What staggers me is how some can't see what these cranks are about.

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    Post  Werewolf on Tue Apr 07, 2015 5:55 pm

    Firebird wrote:
    max steel wrote:How to turn-off notifications of a specific threaad ?

    Well said. This forum is being killed by a small proportion of Russia hating pro Nazism lunatics.
    What staggers me is how some can't see what these cranks are about.

    Lol that fool again. I supposse i have to yell Hail Washington now.

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    Re: The Jewish Neocon Elite agenda for Russia and Europe

    Post  Vann7 on Tue Apr 07, 2015 5:57 pm

    Werewolf wrote:
    Firebird wrote:
    max steel wrote:How to turn-off notifications of a specific threaad ?

    Well said. This forum is being killed by a small proportion of Russia hating pro Nazism lunatics.
    What staggers me is how some can't see what these cranks are about.

    Lol that fool again. I supposse i have to yell Hail Washington now.


    Fashington and londinanstan and Fascivit... Wink


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    Re: The Jewish Neocon Elite agenda for Russia and Europe

    Post  KomissarBojanchev on Tue Apr 07, 2015 8:50 pm

    medo wrote:
    Walther von Oldenburg wrote:There are no saints during wars, including civil wars. But the majority of Red Terror victims died after the civil war, mostly between 1924 and 1941.

    Communism as a cause of mass death (and famines) is absolutely unrivaled by any other ideology known to man.

    You forget on Catholic Church. They were even more brutal and bloodthirsty than communism in their wars against heretics, crusades against muslims and others, religion wars between Catholics and Lutherans, when almost half of population was killed, inquisition, etc.
    And don't forget the biggest killer of them all:Sunni Islam and the ottoman empire. During the 14th and 15th centuries 40%(some claim 75%) of the balkan population was butchered by turks. And to undertsand the scale of this islamic travesty keep in mind that this was before gas chambers or machine guns were invented.

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    Post  Vann7 on Wed Apr 08, 2015 4:39 am

    i have done some research about the dark ages of the catholic church ,their holy crusades..
    and the estimates of muslins killed by them was about 200,000 people in a period of 1,000 YEARS!!!!!!!!!!

    And this "poor muslins" were not saints.. the Crimean Tatars for example..go look what was their main business before RUssia took control of Crimea.. They were human Traffickers .
    They had a really profitable business kidnapping Europeans and Russians women and children and selling them to the Ottoman Turks as SLAVES for labor or sex. and Catherine the great really got fed up with that ,and decided to put an end and end that.. The ottomans also at some time controlled Big zones of BUlgaria and Romania close to the black sea.. they were literary infiltrating more and more in Europe.. ie. an Invading from Turkey the weaker christian nations. So people complaining about the catholic church ..as corrupt it was in the past.. you have to be thankful to them ,that europe today is not a muslin fanatic continent from medieval ages.
    the modernization of Europe will have never been possible under Islam.. which today for not coincidence are the most undeveloped nations in the planet.. africa and middle eas.t.  Unfortunately , because of the Neoconservatives zionist agenda ,today they are trying to destroy infiltrate islam again and destroy any remaining christianity in Europe.  To made it impossible any kind of close relation and military alliance between Russia and Europe.

    Today muslin nations ,friends of Freedom loving west.. in middle east like Qatar and Turkey and Saudi Arabia continues with the practice of medieval times ,human traffiqing for sexual slaves.. selling young girls ,non adults.beheading womens or stonning to death them.. just like ISIS do..
    This is the poor muslins that people complain the catholic church was killing in the crusades. And They will continue for milleniums with their medieval animal practices until someone stop them.

    and for the 9/11 faithful believers.. of the official story..
    See what the former Governor of Minnesota have to say about the big censoring that exist
    in freedom loving america , for any independent investigation about it. is there is nothing to hide why the US government fears another independent investigation?  How can anyone expect that the main suspect of a major crime , do a real investigation that allow its people to put in jail them?  No



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    Re: The Jewish Neocon Elite agenda for Russia and Europe

    Post  higurashihougi on Wed Apr 08, 2015 5:30 am

    Walther von Oldenburg wrote:Most victims of communism worldwide (about 90 million worldwide from 1917 to 1991 - of course ww2 Soviet casualties aren't counted) died of famine - famines that followed collectivization of agriculture and sudden drop of production afterwards - the fruits of commie brilliance when it comes to economic issues.

    The majority of these deaths could be avoided really easily - just let the peasants have their own land.

    No.

    The aim of collectivization is to change from small-scale, individual farming to large-scale, highly organized, industrial-type farming, using the combination power of many people, many tools and machines, many cattles.

    In short, many people donates the land and tools to a public fund, so that the large-scale industrial farming can by carried out.

    That kind of farming is suitable for a Russia who were being rapidly industrialized and who has vast land but not really copious amount of manpower.

    So the strategical aim is right. But HOW IT WAS EXECUTED is WRONG. Instead of a long-term propaganda, persuation, and other soft-core, gradual process, the many goverment officers FORCED the peasnants to participate in the cooperated farm, which cause uproar, anger and uneasy, due to the sudden change of lifestyle and production methods.

    Which caused famine and disorder in rural area.

    Actually Stalin managed to realize the mistake, althought it was late. He wrote a newspaper article which criticized the brutal and aggressive methods of collectivization.

    Another cause of famine is that: the Koulak aka rich farmers blabbering bullshit about collectivization, causing fear amongst the farmers, made them killed all cattle (because they don't want to donate it to the corporate farms), that caused collapse of the agriculture production.

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    Re: The Jewish Neocon Elite agenda for Russia and Europe

    Post  GarryB on Wed Apr 08, 2015 6:34 am

    To fully change a system you basically need to break it and then rebuild it the way you want it to work.

    Ask the Americans... Iraq, Syria, Libya, Afghanistan... and they clearly haven't finished yet... of course half their problem is that they keep using the same tools... their very powerful military and their money... but in different places they get different results... Libya is now a shthole... Afghanistan always was and now will likely continue to be so, Iraq looks like it might actually make it as long as they can fight off ISIS along with Iran and Syria... Syrias future does not look bright but hopefully they will realise the sunni nutters are not something to encourage in the region.


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    Post  Walther von Oldenburg on Wed Apr 08, 2015 6:08 pm

    OMG, Vann...

    It's really hard to fillter through your posts. 50% of what you write is true, 25% is partly true and 25% is BS. To have a historical assessment of Crusades and Muslim conquests (largely correct) mixed up with 9/11 truthing and Zionist-bashing all in a single post... it's really an art in itself. I suggest you write more about history and less about Zionism. And in case you didn't notice- historically the main enemy of Jews have been Muslims. Hatred of Jews is in the Quran and they have a narration that the day of judgement will not come until Muslims kill all Jews. The main culprits of anti-Semitism in Europe are no longer Europeans but Muslims. Christian West is a natural ally of Israel against Muslim Arabs. Having it destroyed and overtaken by Islamic madness is really the last thing Jews want.

    I wanted to bring the topic of forum moderation once again. What about a compromise?
    Since Garry and Vladimir will not agree for banning troublesome users, something else has to be done. My suggestion is to simply ddelete the more insane posts without banning the culprits. By doing that it will be possible to maintain a high level of discussion without banning people - most of whom can contribute positively to the forum if they want to.

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    Post  Walther von Oldenburg on Wed Apr 08, 2015 6:28 pm

    No
    I hear ye.

    Collective agriculture (as usual) worked wonderfully on paper but not in practice. The best way to improve productivity was by maintaining private ownership of land together with capitalistic mode of production. With time, problems would disappear on their own. That was what happened in Europe in 19th and 20th century - as industry started growing, more and more people started leaving the countryside and consequently, traditional landholders no longer had a large supply of workforce. As technology progressed, machines were used more and more in agriculture and a new class of business-minded farmers started to emerge and challenge the land holding nobility. The result was that the nobles had to either adapt to changing times and switch to capitalistic means of production or go bankrupt.

    It's amusing (and amazing) how hard you cling to the commie BS while the experiences of 20th century have shown it's policies utterly failing in every area of human entrepreneurship besides killing people on a large scale.

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    Post  Vann7 on Thu Apr 09, 2015 1:18 am

    Walther von Oldenburg wrote:OMG, Vann...

    It's really hard to fillter through your posts. 50% of what you write is true, 25% is partly true and 25% is BS. To have a historical assessment of Crusades and Muslim conquests (largely correct) mixed up with 9/11 truthing and Zionist-bashing all in a single post... it's really an art in itself. I suggest you write more about history and less about Zionism. And in case you didn't notice- historically the main enemy of Jews have been Muslims. Hatred of Jews is in the Quran and they have a narration that the day of judgement will not come until Muslims kill all Jews. The main culprits of anti-Semitism in Europe are no longer Europeans but Muslims. Christian West is a natural ally of Israel against Muslim Arabs. Having it destroyed and overtaken by Islamic madness is really the last thing Jews want.

    I wanted to bring the topic of forum moderation once again. What about a compromise?
    Since Garry and Vladimir will not agree for banning troublesome users, something else has to be done. My suggestion is to simply ddelete the more insane posts without banning the culprits. By doing that it will be possible to maintain a high level of discussion without banning people - most of whom can contribute positively to the forum if they want to.


    I have done a really good research about 9/11 ,and anyone who do it ,will see it was a fraud. 100%..   THis is Backed by Thousands of Structural Enginneers ,police , fireworkers ,witness of the WTC 7 and Pentagon.. whistlerblowers who knew about the attack and were told to NOT
    travel to the wtc..  It was a 100% fraud.. Even one of the FBI major witness of the Pentagon attack ,that also have been interviewed years later and he is on record saying it was planned..
    and that he was paid  to lie. How about that?

    This people does not look to me like conspirationals nuts to me .. 2,346 Architect ,Engineers,Scientist.

    http://www.ae911truth.org

    here evidence of military high grade Explosives used in world trade center.



    And here.. this one trash the theory that after the planes crash.. it was a "Living Inferno inside" the towers..  Again -> irrefutable REAL on scene evidence..



    This is just an introduction ,a couple of examples of the investigation done by Architects and engineers for 9/11 investigation..

    Those are not conspirator nuts..this is not backed by opinions.. or belief..or imaginary friends, but by SCIENTIFIC EVIDENCE and real facts. that can be verified. Scientist and engineers with PH.D.  found  military grade very advanced Nano explosives.. .Things that Alqaeda or jihadist in caves in afganistan cannot learn to make and only major Nuclear Powers Laboratories could do. like US -Russia-germany.France... etc..

    Their investigation completely trash to the floor the US National Institute of Standard and technology investigation ,(a US government agency) .Their conclusion is 3 buildings were pulled down with the same Nato Explosives from the inside...and the planes were just a distraction to
    cover all 3 buildings were rigged by Military high grade explosives months before 9/11 ,when
    Jeff Bush , (yes the brother of George Bush JR..who was the president).. was in charge of the security of the very same buildings that were destroyed. Shocked How convenient eh?
    Nothing better than to put people you trust ,like your own brother to be in charge of the "security" of the buildings ,that they planned to bring down.

    it was a full Inside Job.. and the planes did not provoke the collapse of the buildings. WTC-7 a reinforced steel fortress was not even hit by a plane.. Ops!!!  and still collapsed like pancake. 

    An Italian former president and Canadian former defense minister ,Pentagon 3 stars General ,A former FBI Chief are just a few examples of people that told it was an inside job. This are not kids with too much imagination.. but REAL high ranked officials with very respectable jobs, contradicting the Bush official story. Demanding an independent investigation..NOT controlled by the government, which they scared to hell to do it.

    This is why the US gov does not want an investigation.. because they know it have BIG Holes their entire story ,that expose them. And there is also testimonies of insiders from banking Industry who were told months in advance of a major terrorist attack in New York city that will
    allow them to justify the invasion of Afganistan and IRAQ. and many others Middle east countries. Is Impossible that the US Government could defend its version of 9/11 in an independent international court ,with the overwhelming evidence that exist it was planned and
    and internal job.
    Not by AlqCIAeda.. but by the US federal government.  Originally they planned to take the whole middle ,Nations that do not have their puppets in power.. But the IRAQ campaign proved to be a real nightmare to maintain the control of it ,combined with the Bad Image and cost of the war ,forced them to leave. it was a terrorist attack Yes.. but not done by ALCIAEDA like they claim.. but by the very same US federal government.  The entire thing was a FRAUD.. and this goes beyond 2001 ,but also 1993
    WTC fail attacks.. Oklahoma bombing ..etc and many others.. For me was very hard to wake up ,when you have been all your life brainwashed by the american media.. but the evidence is STUNNING !!!! that it was a 100% fraud..   When you study the whole thing ,as i did , you will see a pattern.. ie.. the "Coincidences".  How they try to cover their participation in Terrorism and Illegal things..  with so called "simulations exercises" and many other things.. 9/11 was another weapons of mass distraction lie of IRAQ.. How can anyone doubt today . that US government is behind Alqaeda and international terrorism.. when they today are arming Jihadist in Syria ,and you see MCAIN in meetings with ISIS and Alqaeda leaders.. and he is on public on record saying how he meet with them.. and talk to them.   Wake up do.. the things i have said
    when it comes to Terrorism and Holocaust are 100% true. The Anglozionist agenda is yet to proof if this is a collective thing..or just specific to some Jewish Billionaires ,that are Christiano- Phobic.. like Femem/pssy riot funder and some holywood elite. i don't know.. And the Crusades information that you call largely say is true..  There is no way to verify that..Something happened more than a thousand years ago. that was more a Theory based of some research done by historians.. and information i saw..But it needs more investigation.

    All said.. im a big supporter of Historical accuracy. and really reject propaganda. Regardless of which side it benefit.. For me Historical Accuracy is important ,because it allows people to understand more the world ,why wars happens ,why people do evil things?  Try to understand it.. but repeating Main Stream propaganda and official story tales ,you will never understand at all.. humanity.   If you just run with the official story in the west.. then you will believe in the official story of the west ,that Russia is worse than ISIS and not as bad as Ebola, As Obama and the US republican senate.. (main suspect of 9/11 terror attack) claims. And that US military interventions in the world are for democracy and freedom and Japan attacked US in pearl habor for fun.. or because they "envy their freedom".. and all that all bullshit. Economic warfare can be as deadly as war ..and can kill people , try to see what will happen if your country is under economic blockade and not allowed to even trade food with neighbors.

    Historical accuracy is important.. History matters.. because it will allow people not only to understand what REALLY created the problem..  but how it can be avoided in the future..
    Wars never happen , NEVER from the nothing.. that suddenly someone invade a nation because one day thought it was a good idea to do that..  Wars happens only After a chain of events that provoke Hostilities between 2 nations or more..  Economic Warfare and media warfare are the first things that happens before bullets are fired.. and if you mix that with bombing and killing thousands of civilians women and children ,minorities that are important for another nation as now happens in Ukraine.. then even more easily you can provoke a war.

    Russia will be justified to invade Ukraine if the bombing don't stop and kiev shows that is committed to no dialogue ,and that wants to exterminate the entire population and the west turn blind eye and give no other option to Russia to intervene to defend them..  Still the official story in the west will claim it was Russia who started all.. but reality
    is different. To look really into the Facts ,you need to look at both sides of any story and compare and investigate and research ,to really get close to the truth.. of anything.



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    Re: The Jewish Neocon Elite agenda for Russia and Europe

    Post  higurashihougi on Thu Apr 09, 2015 4:52 am

    Walther von Oldenburg wrote:
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    I hear ye.

    Collective agriculture (as usual) worked wonderfully on paper but not in practice. The best way to improve productivity was by maintaining private ownership of land together with capitalistic mode of production. With time, problems would disappear on their own. That was what happened in Europe in 19th and 20th century - as industry started growing, more and more people started leaving the countryside and consequently, traditional landholders no longer had a large supply of workforce. As technology progressed, machines were used more and more in agriculture and a new class of business-minded farmers started to emerge and challenge the land holding nobility. The result was that the nobles had to either adapt to changing times and switch to capitalistic means of production or go bankrupt.

    It's amusing (and amazing) how hard you cling to the commie BS while the experiences of 20th century have shown it's policies utterly failing in every area of human entrepreneurship besides killing people on a large scale.

    The process was not that peaceful.

    You already knew in Britian, the aristocrats took over the common land in rural area and used it to applied new methods of production. That common land used to provide a considerable amount of food and neccessities for the local citizens, but as the aristocrats took it, farmers lost an important life source and were forced to leave the countryside.

    So in a number of cases, it is the aristocrats took the land of the commoners and kicked them to the city to work for the industrial bosses.

    You may already knew about the riots and rebels of British farmers during the process.

    Of course, in many other cases, your description occured.

    The main thing here, is the establishment of industrialized, large-scale, mechandized farming, by concentration of capital, tools, lands, and people into a centralized enterprise. That is the aim of collectivization. The aim is right, but how it was done is NOT RIGHT.

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    Post  GarryB on Thu Apr 09, 2015 11:40 am

    The irony is that so many believe the private sector is some magical thing that fixes everything... but what happens when we are talking about something critical like food production in your country... and some foreign multinational company starts buying up large farms... what if they stop selling in local markets because more money can be made by exporting food?

    What if they decide to introduce GM food and neighbouring farms get "infected". Monsanto then demands those infected farms buy Monsanto seed... pretty soon all your large scale farmers have to buy GM seed to stay competitive... and then you do something that pisses off America and Monsanto can't sell you any more seed... all of a sudden your entire agriculture industry is in serious trouble... those little organic farmers wont be able to feed your people let alone meet export demand.

    Dont get me wrong, I am not against private ownership, but in a world with big powerful companies... little companies and little countries don't have much of a chance.


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    Post  Vann7 on Thu Apr 09, 2015 1:46 pm

    More of 9/11..  Very Happy



    I just don't need any evidence.. but this is for the people saying is a "conspiracy"
    Often you hear people saying.. of well if it was an Inside Job..then why no one in the US government have spoken denouncing Bush ?   Rolling Eyes

    Why will that be?  Perhaps maybe people afraid to lose their jobs and be Shot death..
    as already many have died in "mysterious ways".. Take a look at Ted Guderson former FBI
    chief.. his doctor says on youtube he died by arsenic poisoning.. someone killed him..
    or how about Gary Webs , the first American Journalist who expose US CIA business
    with Drug Cartels in Mexico? Selling drugs in US cities?  He appeared strangled in his apartment
    from behind.. and the official police version is he commited suicide.  Rolling Eyes

    Fortunately.. there many patriots who have risked their careers and have spoken..and have
    said an independent investigation needs to be done ,because all evidence points to an inside job. Take a look at all the "Conspiration theorist" that have said ,the official story is wrong .
    already posted about Scientist and engineers more than 2,000+ world wide says it was an inside job.. but there is also US government high ranked officials too.. Pentagon generals , Former CIA analyst , US Army Military Intelligence Generals.. Pentagon employees ,Police security who works at Pentagon.. Commercial airlines Pilots . Presidents and US congress politicians.. This is not a conspiration theory.. 9/11 was a REAL!!! fraud.  




    General Stubblebine: I am Major General Albert Stubblebine. I am retired Army Major-General. In my last assignment -- my last command -- I was responsible for all of the Army's strategic intelligence forces around the world. I had responsibility for the Signals Intelligence, Photo Intelligence, Counter Intelligence, Human Intelligence. They all belonged to me, in my last assignment. …

    I was supposed to find out what the enemy was doing, before the enemy did it so that we could take action against the enemy. That's Intelligence, OK, before the fact. So, we always -- always -- rely not on a single piece of data, before we make a statement, but on multiple and the more pieces of data that you have that correlate, the better you know exactly what is going on. …

    So I have had a lot of experience looking at photographs. I have looked at many, many different kinds of photographs, from many, many different platforms on many, many different countries, around the world.

    Interviewer: OK. So on September the 11th, in 2001, what hit the Pentagon?

    General Stubblebine:  I don't know exactly what hit it, but I do know, from the photographs that I have analyzed and looked at very, very carefully, it was not an airplane.

    Interviewer:  What made you believe that?

    General Stubblebine:  Well, for one thing, if you look at the hole that was made in the Pentagon, the nose penetrated far enough so that there should have been wing marks on the walls of the Pentagon. I have been unable to find those wing marks. So where were they? Did this vessel -- vehicle, or whatever it was -- have wings? Apparently not, because if it had had wings, they would have made marks on the side of the Pentagon.

    One person counteracted my theory, and said, "Oh, you've got it all wrong. And the reason that it's wrong is that as the airplane came across, one wing tipped down and hit the ground and broke off." I said, "Fine, that's possible, one wing could have broken off." But if I understand airplanes correctly, most airplanes have two wings. I haven't met an airplane with only one wing. So where was the mark for the second wing? OK, one broke off -- there should have been a mark for the second wing. I could not find that in any of the photographs that I've analyzed. Now I've been very careful to not say what went in there. Why? Because you don't have that evidence. …

    I did -- I've never believed that it was an airplane since I've looked at the photographs. Up until the time I looked at the photographs, I accepted what was being said. After I looked at it -- NO WAY! …

    We pride ourselves with the "free press." I do not believe the "free press" is free any more. It's very expensive. It's very expensive. And the press is saying what they have been told to say about this.

    Now, do I have proof of that? No. But I believe that what is being -- what certainly the -- the stories that were told -- all about 9/11 were false.  


    There is an very good investigation of almost every angle of the 9/11 attacks.. and the Pentagon attacks ,it was based on investigations concluded.. that yes people saw a plane flying
    towards the pentagon.. but it never crashed.. it fly over.. it was used as a distraction.. and a Bomb that was INSIDE the pentagon exploded after the plane fly over.. this confirm an employee who worked inside ,claims she heard a big explosion and when she was saving people to get out of the pentagon she found no  plane inside..it was a Bomb..April Gallop concluded.
    She was suing the government for a new investigation.




    Col. George Nelson, MBA


    With all the evidence readily available at the Pentagon crash site, any unbiased rational investigator could only conclude that a Boeing 757 did not fly into the Pentagon as alleged. Similarly, with all the evidence available at the Pennsylvania crash site, it was most doubtful that a passenger airliner caused the obvious hole in the ground and certainly not the Boeing 757 as alleged.  




    Terrell (Terry) E. Arnold, MA – Former Deputy Director, Office of Counter-Terrorism and Emergency Planning, U.S. State Department. Former Chairman, Department of International Studies, National War College. Graduate of the National War College. Retired Senior Foreign Service Officer of the U.S. Department of State. He has served as a security and crisis management consultant for several Fortune 500 companies. He also served as a crisis management consultant for several Federal agencies, including The State Department, the Department of Defense, the U.S. Customs Service and the Federal Emergency Management Agency. U.S. Navy veteran of World War II


    now look what this High ranked US counter terrorism Official who worked for Federal government says..


    Essay It is Vital to Move Beyond 911  7/3/07:

    "More than five years after the fact, Washington leadership keeps the American people fixated on the events of 9/11. They have brought us no closer than we were on September 12, 2001 to resolving how it was executed and by what enemy. They tell us repeatedly that it was the work of al Qaida, but they have yet to show us the proofs. They told us the official version of what happened that day, but their story is laced with contradictions, and the facts visible on the ground at the time belie much of the official account. Our leadership gave us a Sopranos blank screen ending to a terrible tragedy, while working below the radar to avoid our established laws and slowly to destroy our democratic institutions. Every American must look carefully at the pattern of decay that began with 9/11. ...

    As an alleged post 9/11 defense, the War on Terrorism is a gigantic fraud. ...  



    There are HUNDREDS!!! of US politicians/Former US armed forces Generals/FBI/CIA , Pilots.. Police ,Firefighters that demand an investigation and that suggest or openly say the official story was an inside job  Wink

    http://patriotsquestion911.com

    The only conspiration here.. is the believe that Talibans in caves in Afganistan ,Could learn to fly
    commercial airliners in few weeks and kidnap 4 airliners and the most heavily defended airspace in the world ,including the white house.. could not shut down any plane trying to attack the pentagon or the white house... and with a deadly precision on the first try ,crash in both WTC buildings.. and then later the pentagon.. right in the center , and in the pentagon ,without scratching the ground  . Laughing   There are Commercial Airliners pilots on record ,with decades of experience flying 747.. that have said.. they will have been impossible for them to fly the planes with such precision as the official Government story says..  No


    (9/11) was an inside job.. a false flag.. no different than the plane shut down in Ukraine by
    kiev and later blamed on Russian talibans that Putin gave weapons. No  
    (9/11) is really important .. because it shows how dangerous and destructive are the Neoconvervatives and zionist elite in the world.. Far far beyond anything we have seen in the world before.. worse than ISIS ,Alqaeda and Nazism combined. The Neoconservative mafia shut down civilians planes like sports.. They gave medals to the Sailors who shut down the Iranian
    civilian airline 1988, killing 300s.. and today they go a destroy entire nations with millions inside as they did in Lybia and now have the entire middle east as a battle zone ,and provoking a world war 3 in Europe with Russia. and wanting to Bomb Iran too.  

    Now the question is.. with so many evidence.. so many scientist.. so many politicians and high ranked US Military Officers.. saying it was a fraud the entire history and many even saying directly it was an inside job ,what else people need to be convinced it was a fraud?
    George Bush Jr in public saying.. that it was a fraud and he did it? and later to explain how
    He with the support of his brother and the Republican Party and democrats too , and US federal Government murder 3,000 americans to justify invasions  and killing of millions in the middle east? No


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    Post  Nikander on Thu Apr 09, 2015 5:11 pm

    http://t.co/q4ydbPKPsv

    this is a great article, a must read

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    Post  Vann7 on Fri Apr 17, 2015 8:11 pm

    More "Coincidences"  for "conspiracy" haters.. . ..  Laughing

    A new report on Russian Insider , about US declassified Documents..about how Putin came to power. Now i will like to hear how this is another "conspiracy".

    Whenever you read about corrupt power in Russia ,trying to sell the nation to the west..
    the more Zionism scum show up ..

    the most powerful man in Russia an israeli scum citizen.. * Boris Berezovsky*  ,
    a powerful Oligarch and richer man in Russia was conspiring to sell Russia to the west..
    And giving advices to US government how more effectively expand NATO towards Russia
    borders and advising US Government ,which people they need to support to get puppets in Power in Russia. . Shocked   Is that is not high treason.. conspiring against Russia ,to get Americans to take control Russia government at the expense of people ..and not deserve death penalty ,i don't know what will..


    Basically the Zionist Oligarch Scum ,on his paranoia to stay in Power, managed to remove
    one patriotic prime Minister and then another..but the third time ,the successor that had a low profile ,was not against oligarchs and was pro Capitalism..and semi-authoritarian
    and that seemed easy to manipulate.. and is today president of Russia Federation and
    most hated man in the world by the western NEOCONS and Zionist elite.

    Vladimir Putin..    russia


    A man was was also welcomed by the west.. until he become President and start to arrest
    the corrupt oligarchs in Russia ,that were ruling the country with its money and
    helped him to get in Power. Smile

    http://russia-insider.com/en/rise-and-fall-russian-oligarchy/5730

    This for me is just more confirmation that Zionist dirty Rich elite ,but also Israel ,are the most dangerous enemies of Russia ,because they remain in the shadows ,and attack from the inside of Russia and they represent the major 5th column in Russia and use their money and media and influence to promote their Pro Western Crap and try to divide Russian society.  Trying to downplay or deny the destructive role of the mafia know as zionism in the world is dishonest. and it was perhaps by luck.. that Russians managed to get a leader that do not sell its nation to anyone ,neither west ,neither east ,or US/Israel and is patriotic leader that Russian people trust.

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    Post  flamming_python on Sat Apr 18, 2015 12:49 am

    BTW, Boris Berizovsky 'round about that time or a little later, converted to Russian Orthodoxy and gave up his Israeli citizenship.

    I guess that made it good and OK now. He was no longer an evil blood-sucking Zionist Jew anymore; so his continued influence over Russian politics should have been welcomed.. Rolling Eyes

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    Post  TR1 on Sat Apr 18, 2015 1:14 am

    flamming_python wrote:BTW, Boris Berizovsky 'round about that time or a little later, converted to Russian Orthodoxy and gave up his Israeli citizenship.

    I guess that made it good and OK now. He was no longer an evil blood-sucking Zionist Jew anymore; so his continued influence over Russian politics should have been welcomed.. Rolling Eyes

    Putin saving Russia from Jewish Oligarchs?


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