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    Post  Vann7 Sat Jan 24, 2015 6:54 am

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    Voting results map from the 2012 parliamentary election in Ukraine.

    The two main zones are Party of Regions (Yanukovich) in blue and the Fatherland Party (Timoshenko) in purple.

    You can see the territorial division of Ukraine.   It is composed of two basically mutually exclusive regions.  The
    west-center and the south-east.   There is no Ukraine.  It is a stitched together artificial creation that is ripe
    for partition.  

    Recall that the Fatherland Party took part in the coup against Yanukovich and helped destroy the Party of Regions.
    Anyone who thinks that Ukrainian politics are those of a unified country is either and idiot or lying.

    Yakunovych legitimate election ,where he won defeating the Radical PRO-NATO tymoshenko ,shows without a doubt that the majority of Ukrainians are either friendly to RUssia..or at least Neutral.. regardless if they support Joining the EU or not.

    My only major concern is Ukraine Nuclear reactors.. That TR1's lovely "land of freedom"and its CIA will not think twice to blow up ukraine nuclear reactors if they feel they are going to lose Ukraine and later blame Russian rebels. This is why i don't think is a good idea that the Rebels goes beyond Donetsk and lugansk zones or that Russia invade.

    But also that if Ukraine collapse and no police or government.. that an ethnic cleansing start against ethnic Russians in any city of Ukraine by right sector and other radicals groups. and later all blamed in the Rebels or Russia ,as it was the Mh-17 plane.
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    Post  TR1 Sat Jan 24, 2015 7:03 am

    Your obsession with me is almost as creepy as your obsession with the US.
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    Post  Vann7 Sat Jan 24, 2015 8:50 am

    Ukraine flirts with declaring martial law and a war on Russia ..

    http://fortruss.blogspot.com/2015/01/ukraine-flirts-with-declaring-martial.html

    Looks like a complete bluff.. they know they cannot win against Russia.. in my opinion this
    are US behind Kiev declarations..  Is an economic war.. the bastards in the white house and its advisors
    when they plan a conflict or provoke a war as they doing in Ukraine.. they consider all scenarios of things
    that could happen..  and if the war start .. they will distance from kiev.. and say.. that both sides needs
    to stop fighting and seek peaceful solution..  is an economic war against Russia.. plain and simple.. And TR1 lovely USA goals is simply to damage more Russia economy.. using Kiev.. The white house is not seeking a military victory by kiev.. they know they can't win ,they only want .. they only seeking an economic victory of bankruptcy of RUssia and damage Russia world image too..  with more MH-17s false flags and blamed on them..

    So anglozionist powers objectives are..

    1)Provoke RUssia to invade..
    2)damage its economy.. because wars always scare investors.. and damage the value of its currency even more..
    3)And later use the Russian invasion that US provoked ,to justify the pressure on their european colonies..
     and demand complete isolation of Russia from Europe..  
    4)Create major Unrest in Russian cities and lower Putin and united RUssia popularity..
    5)Create false flags incidents to frame Russian airforce or tanks for any civilians killed. Using staged videos with actors..
    6)Keep the violence to controlled levels..  is called controlled chaos.. so that Russia does not point its gun to the real hands fueling the violence in ukraine. And manipulate Ukrainians with their media to guide their frustration and anger against their government.. towards Russia.

    This is why you see baltic states and others are creating paranoia of a Russian invasion to europe.. or invisible Russian submarines or planes in their territory.


    If anyone come to the conclusion that US and its major allies main strategy is manipulating world opinion to see
    Russia as the aggressor you will be 100% correct.  Public Opinion is everything....


    can be the difference between civil unrest or peace.. or between collapse of an economy or not.. Public Opinion can also be the difference of a war to continue or not.. and can stop the war in ukraine if people  refuse to follow orders in kiev..

    In the end im afraid..USA will fail miserably in their objectives. Putin Knows well the west will pay in gold for the opportunity to manipulate world opinion ,to isolate and divide Russia society and damage the unity of the government with its people.. Putin's big patience is paying off ,the public opinion of the world is with Russia.. most of the comments i see everywhere usually is.. when is Russia going to invade to stop kiev criminal war? and even countries like France already asking to lift Russian sanctions..

    an interesting film..
    Russian documentary "The Bread For Pervomaysk" (Eng.) with Pervomaysk mayor Evgeny Ishchenko, who was killed January 22, 2015 by Ukrainian subversive group



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    Post  flamming_python Sat Jan 24, 2015 10:42 am

    War would be a nice way to write off the Ukraine's enormous debts to Russia.
    But Russia would probably have to start it if the Ukraine wants to use that excuse, or at the very least the Ukraine would have to provide a convincing casus belli.

    That's why Russia can either wage an economic war on the Ukraine, or a military one; but not both.
    If Russia supports the rebels too blatantly, the Ukraine could declare war in order to write off its obligations to Russia.
    Russia has to play it more cool for now; direct war won't be in its interests while economic war will enable it to achieve better results.
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    Post  Vann7 Sat Jan 24, 2015 11:34 am

    And kiev do it again with their false flags.. they now blaming novorosiya for the killing of 10 civilians in mariupol..
    rebels says they do not have artillery that could go that far.. from their positions.  


    will quote a line of what i told in my previous post..

    If anyone come to the conclusion that US and its major allies main strategy is manipulating world opinion to see Russia as the aggressor you will be 100% correct. Public Opinion is everything.... wrote:



    and today.. this news..!!!!!!

    Kiev say at least 10 people have been reported killed by artillery shelling in Mariupol in eastern Ukraine. Kiev has blamed the militia

    http://rt.com/news/225891-mariupol-eastern-ukraine-shelling/

    Russia have not invaded and kiev is already starting more false flags ,using all their tricks  to attempt discredit Novorrosiya fighters by framing them into the killing of civilians.. when the evidence they can use is weak.. ie.. Rebels Artillery not at range of mariupol city.  Make no mistakes .. the goal of this attacks aside of discredit the Rebels world wide.. it seek to encourage to fight the ukie army to continue fighting. their criminal war. with the
    pretext of " save civilians" and kick invisible Russian Federation soldiers from ukraine.

    This is why Novorosiya forces will need to be careful of where they fight.. so that they are not framed for warcrimes..
    This was done all the time in Syria war.. the west was accusing Assad of killing civilians all the time..shelling their own universities that they defend.. etc..


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    Post  par far Sat Jan 24, 2015 11:55 am

    Vann7 wrote:And kiev do it again with their false flags.. they now blaming novorosiya for the killing of 10 civilians in mariupol..
    rebels says they do not have artillery that could go that far.. from their positions.  


    will quote a line of what i told in my previous post..



     

    and today.. this news..!!!!!!

    Kiev say at least 10 people have been reported killed by artillery shelling in Mariupol in eastern Ukraine. Kiev has blamed the militia

    http://rt.com/news/225891-mariupol-eastern-ukraine-shelling/

    Russia have not invaded and kiev is already starting more false flags ,using all their tricks  to attempt discredit Novorrosiya fighters by framing them into the killing of civilians.. when the evidence they can use is weak.. ie.. Rebels Artillery not at range of mariupol city.  Make no mistakes .. the goal of this attacks aside of discredit the Rebels world wide.. it seek to encourage to fight the ukie army to continue fighting. their criminal war. with the
    pretext of " save civilians" and kick invisible Russian Federation soldiers from ukraine.

    This has me very worried, these bastards will do anything. Time to take the fight to them and capture as much as you can.
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    Post  Vann7 Sat Jan 24, 2015 12:06 pm

    par far wrote:
    This has me very worried, these bastards will do anything. Time to take the fight to them and capture as much as you can.


    Yep this is the reason if Russia invade in a full scale will need to do it undercover..
    As much as possible and try to avoid an official direct invasion, because Kiev will repeat the same bullshit and will have no problems to murder hundreds of ukrainians to frame Russian airforce or Russian army for warcrimes.
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    Post  higurashihougi Sat Jan 24, 2015 12:57 pm

    Novorossiya took Troiske and Mius, the Debaltsevo pocket is gradually being squeezed.

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    Meanwhile, Novo troops continue to inch foward Mariupol, seems to took a certain area of the outskirts.

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    It is said that Novo has captured a small settlement at the northwest of the airport. A pocket is gradually forming.

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    Another info need to be confirmed is that, Novo troops have took a checkpoint on the road to Pesky. The remaining ones is still in the hands of Ukie troops, but is being half-encircled.

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    Meanwhile, the Luhansk front does not have very good news. The offensive of Kyiv facists are still fierce. Luhanks troops are being pushed back.

    Hope the Kyiv offensive will be broken soon.

    Updated: the remaining checkpoint on Pesky road was captured by Novorossiya.

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    Post  Kyo Sat Jan 24, 2015 9:21 pm

    Seems like Porky's days are on a countdown

    Ukrainian Politician: Armed Coup against Poroshenko Is Coming

    A former People's Deputy of Ukraine warns that Poroshenko's days are numbered

    Oleg Tsarov UKRAINE Fri, Jan 23

    Oleg Tsarov is a former People's Deputy of Ukraine elected for the Party of Regions. He is now a key figure in Novorossiya. The following message was posted on his Facebook page.

    According to available information, the Ukraine is preparing another armed coup. Structures close to Alexander Turchinov and Yatsenyuk Arsenіy, with direct support from the US State Department organized the "People's veche", which will meet on the initiative of the Council of the Maidan. During the veche will be taken vote of censure to the president of Ukraine Petro Poroshenko. In the guilt he would put the current economic situation, corruption, inability to resolve the political crisis, the loss of the Crimea.

    A year ago on Maidan sounded slogans on the establishment of democracy, European values in Ukraine. After the change of power it did not appear. Moreover, the situation has become much worse in terms of full-scale military operations in the south-east, the growing dissatisfaction of the people of Ukraine, which cut social payments - someone must answer for it. The role of "of sacral victim" was given to Poroshenko.

    This is supported by the fact that After the Christmas holidays at the initiative of the governing Federation of Trade Unions of Ukraine will be held in Kiev Ukrainian action of protest in front of the Verkhovna Rada and the Cabinet of Ministers of Ukraine.

    Event organizers intend to remind the President and the Government of Ukraine to follow the pre-election promises to reform the socio-political and economic spheres, raising living standards in the countryand so on. The demonstrators will demand higher wages and compliance with the terms of collective agreements in industrial enterprises and institutions of Ukraine.

    His interest in carrying out this action is showing Prime Minister Yatsenyuk, who is trying to use it not against himself, but against Poroshenko. For this purpose he entrusted his supporters of the Popular Front, using the capabilities of the Interior Ministry and Arsen Avakov, to meet with leaders of labor union and to agree on the direction of the action.

    To counteract the intention of government Federation of Trade Unions of Ukraine picket the administration of President, Ministry and the Verkhovna Rada, interior minister Avakov instructed to establish control over the leadership of the Federation of Trade Unions, and,primarily, for the chairman and his deputy Saenkov, including by visual monitoring and wiretapping.

    Thus, according to the information I have, they have already installed wiretaps of FPA deputy chairman Vladimir Saenko, in particular, tel. 289-31-50, 067-232-02-00. Total 5 heads FPU taken on illegal "control" the Interior Ministry. As far as I know, on January 15 the Minister of Internal Affairs of Ukraine A. Avakov held a meeting, which was attended by head of the SBU V. Nalyvaychenko and representatives of the Attorney General. The main topic of the meeting was tough actions of law enforcement agencies of Ukraine with regard to the planned "right sector" of January 20 protests. Following the meeting, the decision was made the need to curb the supply chain of weapons from the zone of ATO activists "Right Sector", as well as to restrict entry to Kiev radically-minded youth for the period from 16 January to 23 February. In case of resistance given the command to open fire.

    Also on 16 January at 13.00 the head of the SBU Nalyvaychenko, Valentin had a meeting at which the heads of relevant structural units, it was announced that in the case of implementation of the "right sector" preparing stocks, they will be applied to disciplinary actionup to dismissal of the structures.

    Poroshenko was not smeared with the blood of the Maidan, he did not participate in the decision to murder people to Maydan received his sacred sacrifice. During Maidan he spent much more time in the administration of President Yanukovych than the square. In particular, the rise of the tractor in an attempt to stop the attackers, he agreed, at the request of the most influential people close to Vіktor Yanukovich.

    Poroshenko was too independent, having, as a former foreign minister, many personal connections abroad. He is not as obedient as would like him to be his Western curators. His peaceful rhetoric caused by purely pragmatic interests. In the case of a military scenario will increase the influence of the military battalions coordinated Avakov, Kolomoisky, Igor Valerevich and others, that will weaken his power. In addition, it is clear that Ukraine will lose the war. As it was many times in history, the United States easily sacrifice performer. Let me remind - the war crimes has no statute of limitations. In addition, Poroshenko has a confectioner factory in Russia which suggests that he has good connections in Moscow. Americans can't like this.

    Will be successful the third Maidan, time will show. While the familiar deputies of the Verkhovna Rada are waiting for the alarm events and bring away their families from Ukraine.
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    Post  Kyo Sun Jan 25, 2015 12:45 am

    She dumb or she feigns it?

    Mogherini sees 'grave deterioration' in Russia-EU relations over Mariupol
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    Post  sepheronx Sun Jan 25, 2015 1:14 am

    Kyo wrote:She dumb or she feigns it?

    Mogherini sees 'grave deterioration' in Russia-EU relations over Mariupol

    Naah, grave deterioration happened when EU stooges started killing innocent civilians.
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    Post  par far Sun Jan 25, 2015 2:34 am

    Kyo wrote:Seems like Porky's days are on a countdown

    Ukrainian Politician: Armed Coup against Poroshenko Is Coming

    A former People's Deputy of Ukraine warns that Poroshenko's days are numbered

    Oleg Tsarov UKRAINE Fri, Jan 23

    Oleg Tsarov is a former People's Deputy of Ukraine elected for the Party of Regions. He is now a key figure in Novorossiya. The following message was posted on his Facebook page.

    According to available information, the Ukraine is preparing another armed coup. Structures close to Alexander Turchinov and Yatsenyuk Arsenіy, with direct support from the US State Department organized the "People's veche", which will meet on the initiative of the Council of the Maidan. During the veche will be taken vote of censure to the president of Ukraine Petro Poroshenko. In the guilt he would put the current economic situation, corruption, inability to resolve the political crisis, the loss of the Crimea.

    A year ago on Maidan sounded slogans on the establishment of democracy, European values in Ukraine. After the change of power it did not appear. Moreover, the situation has become much worse in terms of full-scale military operations in the south-east, the growing dissatisfaction of the people of Ukraine, which cut social payments - someone must answer for it. The role of "of sacral victim" was given to Poroshenko.

    This is supported by the fact that After the Christmas holidays at the initiative of the governing Federation of Trade Unions of Ukraine will be held in Kiev Ukrainian action of protest in front of the Verkhovna Rada and the Cabinet of Ministers of Ukraine.

    Event organizers intend to remind the President and the Government of Ukraine to follow the pre-election promises to reform the socio-political and economic spheres, raising living standards in the countryand so on. The demonstrators will demand higher wages and compliance with the terms of collective agreements in industrial enterprises and institutions of Ukraine.

    His interest in carrying out this action is showing Prime Minister Yatsenyuk, who is trying to use it not against himself, but against Poroshenko. For this purpose he entrusted his supporters of the Popular Front, using the capabilities of the Interior Ministry and Arsen Avakov, to meet with leaders of labor union and to agree on the direction of the action.

    To counteract the intention of government Federation of Trade Unions of Ukraine picket the administration of President, Ministry and the Verkhovna Rada, interior minister Avakov instructed to establish control over the leadership of the Federation of Trade Unions, and,primarily, for the chairman and his deputy Saenkov, including by visual monitoring and wiretapping.

    Thus, according to the information I have, they have already installed wiretaps of FPA deputy chairman Vladimir Saenko, in particular, tel. 289-31-50, 067-232-02-00. Total 5 heads FPU taken on illegal "control" the Interior Ministry. As far as I know, on January 15 the Minister of Internal Affairs of Ukraine A. Avakov held a meeting, which was attended by head of the SBU V. Nalyvaychenko and representatives of the Attorney General. The main topic of the meeting was tough actions of law enforcement agencies of Ukraine with regard to the planned "right sector" of January 20 protests. Following the meeting, the decision was made the need to curb the supply chain of weapons from the zone of ATO activists "Right Sector", as well as to restrict entry to Kiev radically-minded youth for the period from 16 January to 23 February. In case of resistance given the command to open fire.

    Also on 16 January at 13.00 the head of the SBU Nalyvaychenko, Valentin had a meeting at which the heads of relevant structural units, it was announced that in the case of implementation of the "right sector" preparing stocks, they will be applied to disciplinary actionup to dismissal of the structures.

    Poroshenko was not smeared with the blood of the Maidan, he did not participate in the decision to murder people to Maydan received his sacred sacrifice. During Maidan he spent much more time in the administration of President Yanukovych than the square. In particular, the rise of the tractor in an attempt to stop the attackers, he agreed, at the request of the most influential people close to Vіktor Yanukovich.

    Poroshenko was too independent, having, as a former foreign minister, many personal connections abroad. He is not as obedient as would like him to be his Western curators. His peaceful rhetoric caused by purely pragmatic interests. In the case of a military scenario will increase the influence of the military battalions coordinated Avakov, Kolomoisky, Igor Valerevich and others, that will weaken his power. In addition, it is clear that Ukraine will lose the war. As it was many times in history, the United States easily sacrifice performer. Let me remind - the war crimes has no statute of limitations. In addition, Poroshenko has a confectioner factory in Russia which suggests that he has good connections in Moscow. Americans can't like this.

    Will be successful the third Maidan, time will show. While the familiar deputies of the Verkhovna Rada are waiting for the alarm events and bring away their families from Ukraine.


    They are going bring someone who is crazy and push for all out war.
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    Is really sickening.. how the EU serves like prostitutes to USA and follow their criminals games..
    Americans go provoke unrest and violence and a coup in Kiev with their dirty money overthrowing a democratically elected government with full support of Europe.. and a civil war start.. and suddenly is the fault of Russia for what happens in Ukraine.. completely ignoring their role in the destabilization of Ukraine.

    For months Kiev have been shelling Donetsk and Lugansk killing thousands of civilians with more than enough
    evidence to condemn kiev of war crimes.. and NEVER they have condemned kiev not a single time..for it..

    Now almost a year later .. after Kiev have been promoting the ethnic cleansing of Russians , the burning of them alive ,the shelling of their cities ,shutting down planes.. suddenly a shelling happens in mariupol killing dozens of civilians.. with early information that the shelling could have come from Rebels zones.. and they threaten Russia with cut diplomatic relations.. what a bunch of bastards.. they are.  How could Europe become so corrupt is unbelievable.

    You only have to look at their hypocrisy ..when US finance,train and provide weapons to terrorist in middle east..
    including Alqaeda and ISIS to create wars ,and overthrow governments and Europe look to the sides.. but how dare
    Russia goes to help civilians ,ethnic Russians asking for help at their borders ,after US provoke a civil war and kiev start shelling their cities.
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    Post  kvs Sun Jan 25, 2015 4:29 am

    Vann7 wrote:Is really sickening.. how the EU serves like prostitutes to USA and follow their criminals games..
    Americans go provoke unrest and violence and a coup in Kiev with their dirty money overthrowing a democratically elected government with full support of Europe.. and a civil war start.. and suddenly is the fault of Russia for what happens in Ukraine.. completely ignoring their role in the destabilization of Ukraine.

    For months Kiev have been shelling Donetsk and Lugansk killing thousands of civilians with more than enough
    evidence to condemn kiev of war crimes.. and NEVER they have condemned kiev not a single time..for it..

    Now almost a year later .. after Kiev have been promoting the ethnic cleansing of Russians , the burning of them alive ,the shelling of their cities ,shutting down planes.. suddenly a shelling happens in mariupol killing dozens of civilians.. with early information that the shelling could have come from Rebels zones.. and they threaten Russia with cut diplomatic relations.. what a bunch of bastards.. they are.  How could Europe become so corrupt is unbelievable.

    You only have to look at their hypocrisy ..when US finance,train and provide weapons to terrorist in middle east..
    including Alqaeda and ISIS to create wars ,and overthrow governments and Europe look to the sides.. but how dare
    Russia goes to help civilians ,ethnic Russians asking for help at their borders ,after US provoke a civil war and kiev start shelling their cities.

    The only plausible explanation is the the EU is America's colony. But that is rather obvious since they have been a US protectorate
    since WWII. The Cold War was great racket for the USA. It consolidated its grip on the world under the pretext of fighting communism.
    During the post-WWII period various national elites were oriented to supplicate to Washington. Now they just obey. It will take a
    revolution to liberate them but no revolution is coming.

    Take Merkel for example. She had the US spying on her and she still kisses Obama's a**. Where is the scandal? There was some
    grumbling that was it.

    The situation in ex-Ukraine is a major war crime. A war of suppression instigated by the coup in Kiev staged by the USA and its pals.
    Thousands of dead Donbas civilians who have been ignored except now when there were some deaths due to a grad attack on Mariupol
    (not clear by whom).

    The books "1984" and "Brave New World" were rather prophetic. Aside from lack of the exaggerated aspects involving in your
    face state sadism, the west is basically totalitarian. The media is one big lie factory and most people believe everything that
    it feeds them. This the worst sort of totalitarianism. The willing, apathetic, ignorant variety. There is no resistance. The
    consumerism and feel good media BS is like "soma".
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    Reports of Kiev junta militants using Donetsk uniforms near mariupol.. to provoke another false flag event..

    There are reports from local residents that the Ukrainian law enforcers dress up as militia and go to the north-eastern part of Mariupol. Unmarked buses go to the east of the city. Provocations are prepared by NG disguised as militia. wrote:

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    Post  sepheronx Sun Jan 25, 2015 7:38 am

    The population wont fall for it, but the western media will. I think that is the whole point of what they are attempting. But all it will do is alienate the people even more and further more explosions and other ways of sabotaging Ukrainian military in this city and region.
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    Post  Morpheus Eberhardt Sun Jan 25, 2015 8:21 am

    Regular wrote:The Situation in the Ukraine. #10 - Page 19 JbobGDz4NvfLIB
    Good luck to UKR pilots. They will need it:D

    Where is that picture taken?
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    Post  medo Sun Jan 25, 2015 9:57 am

    Morpheus Eberhardt wrote:
    Regular wrote:The Situation in the Ukraine. #10 - Page 19 JbobGDz4NvfLIB
    Good luck to UKR pilots. They will need it:D

    Where is that picture taken?

    Could be anywhere in Russia or in Crimea.
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    Post  sepheronx Sun Jan 25, 2015 2:54 pm


    Mercenaries?
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    Post  par far Sun Jan 25, 2015 5:19 pm

    sepheronx wrote:
    Mercenaries?


    Yes.
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    Post  Penguin Sun Jan 25, 2015 5:35 pm

    Since the maidan i have followed this forum but only today i write my first entry  confused

    I guess some new faces are not bad at all.


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    here some dead ukrops with an insignia "slaveowners", are they rly that brainwashed? dunno




    and now guys who are alive dont know if its good or bad for em, since NAF said they don't going to take prisoners anymore?




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    Post  Walther von Oldenburg Sun Jan 25, 2015 6:33 pm

    Welcome a new Novorussian unit - the batallion August. russia cheers


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    Post  Vann7 Sun Jan 25, 2015 6:34 pm

    Regular wrote:The Situation in the Ukraine. #10 - Page 19 JbobGDz4NvfLIB
    Good luck to UKR pilots. They will need it:D

    Can't see nothing.. what were you showing us?  and why UKR pilots you say will need luck?


    On more news..  apparently a whole mechanized brigade? that was "lost" in Ukraine that was activated and kiev
    could not communicate with them in days.. show up in Russia federation territory with their vehicles.. not to
    capture moscow but to surrender..to Russia and not particpate in kiev criminal war. So hundreds of Ukrainians crossed the border to Russia and defected. Very Happy

    Russia invaded by 26 buses of Ukrainian men running from the Kiev junta

    http://fortruss.blogspot.ca/2015/01/russia-invaded-by-26-buses-of-ukrainian.html


    and the next one.. no idea if it is true.. but if it is.. accurate.. i can say for sure That a fight against Russian Army today looks more like fighting against aliens. Smile   The source of the report apparently is a Russian army insider ,
    who have commented about Kiev claims of killing thousands of Russian troops here or there..  He explain
    how it will be if Russia really invaded Ukraine today.. what will the ukies see happening?   Shocked

    XYZ: What would happen if the Russian army really invaded Ukraine



    Translated from Russian by Kristina Rus

    We will not name the author of this material, as he is an active officer of the armed forces of Russia, but he perfectly described the situation - What would happen if the Ukrainian military faced the Russian army?

    The titles of some complexes we have SPECIFICALLY designated with the letters of the Latin alphabet not to write their name, as mentioning some of them is undesirable for the author. However, I think that military people will understand what are the systems in question:

    "According to our Ukrainian partners, commenting on the latest ATO news, and referring to the "intercepted data from reports of the Russian army", today another division of the Russian army was destroyed near Lugansk...
    ------
    I want to briefly explain to the Ukrainian colleagues, what is the modern Russian army, and what would happen, if it would come to visit them in reality, and not in their wet dreams.

    Firstly, today we use digital radio communication with local encryption. You can intercept it, but you cannot decipher it. The code changes in 50 minutes, an hour, an hour and twenty-two minutes - on arbitrary unpredictable schedule. Ukrainian military and the armed forces of Novorossia are using an old analog model, which you can listen to. And the Russian army now has communications which was previously only on secure communication lines, - you can only hear the crackling and a characteristic murmur.

    Secondly, if the Russian army appears in front of UAF, it will be easy to determine.

    The first sign - failure of all means of communication, full discharging of batteries in vehicles, tanks and other equipment, at the same time, discharge of batteries in mobile phones, the targets, and radio stations. Then, there is a rapture of electric circuits throughout all the equipment - all of it. This is EMP. All engines stall, no way to restart. This is how the system "X" works (in order to protect the author we do not specify the name), with a range of up to 20 km.

    Second - complete failure of all systems using LCD monitors, the failure of all target-locating devices of the air defense system. This is how the complex "Altair" works (this is a known complex in the world, we can name it).

    Third - a failure to deploy any kinds of guided missile weapons - from MANPADS to PTURS [anti-tank guided reactive missile]. Upon launching, the ammunition liquidates itself.

    This is a  battalion complex "Z" - on the basis of MTLB [multi-target light armored transporter]. Range - 15 kilometers.

    Fourth - it is impossible to use a drone and low-flying aircraft. Their on board electronics will fail. This is system "Y". Then there is a complex "Avtobaza", which can forcibly land a drone.

    What will happen next? Dozens (hundreds, if necessary) of the latest combat helicopters, flying over all the roads, start hunting for single armored vehicles, trains, cars. Railroad is paralyzed, bridges blown up. The  lights go out on the home front - electric stations are out of service. Civil and military headquarters on the home front and separate leaders simultaneously are liquidated by the recon-subversive groups.

    This is roughly how the Russian army would conduct military operations today. Therefore, the wet dreams about the "hero-cyborgs", spitting flame on hundreds of Russian tanks, are better left to science fiction writers."


    http://fortruss.blogspot.ca/2015/01/xyz-what-would-happen-if-russian-army.html


    and finally Strelkov will run for presidential elections of RUssia position in 2018.. Smile

    http://fortruss.blogspot.ca/2015/01/strelkov-for-president-of-russia-in-2018.html

    Not that he will win .. but he will definitively move to politcs..

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