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    North Korea's Nuclear Program

    Post  KomissarBojanchev on Mon Oct 01, 2012 2:32 pm

    While they do have  a pretty large number of IRBMs do they have nuclear warheads for them? Some people say yes. However my  father says that its absolutely certain they have no nukes and  if they had some they wouldve used them already.

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    Re: North Korea's Nuclear Program

    Post  TR1 on Mon Oct 01, 2012 10:01 pm

    Why are you sure they would have used them already?

    NK is interested in regime survival, and the nuclear tests/bluffs, whatever you want to call them, are all calculated decisions meant to improve the regime's tender position.

    Use of the nukes is an instant guerentee that the regime will be destroyed.

    Plus it assumes an irrational actor at play, and I don't believe that can be said of the NKs, even if they push the envelope at times.

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    Re: North Korea's Nuclear Program

    Post  GarryB on Mon Oct 01, 2012 10:54 pm

    If they didn't have them it would be North Korea under sanctions like Iran is now... to prevent them from trying to get them.

    They have set off a few test nukes, though there is some controversy as to whether they worked properly or not.

    The point is that unlike Iran they claim to have nukes and have tested weapons and they have ballistic missile technology too.


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    Nuclear tests by North Korea a Bluff ??

    Post  Sujoy on Thu Feb 21, 2013 8:48 am

    WASHINGTON/SEOUL (Reuters) - U.S. and allied spy agencies have found no traces of telltale nuclear-related particles from North Korea's February 12 nuclear bomb test, leaving unresolved basic questions about the device's design, according to officials in the United States, Europe and South Korea.

    This lack of scientific evidence suggests that key questions may remain unanswered about the type of fissile material used in the test, which was detected by seismic sensors. It also leaves unaddressed questions about how far the North has advanced in its bomb design.

    After the test, the U.S. Air Force Technical Applications Center in Florida dispatched WC-135 "sniffer" airplanes to look for traces of gas residue that could offer clues to the device's design, but those efforts apparently turned up empty, the officials said.

    An Air Force spokesperson confirmed that the planes were dispatched but said no results from the missions could be released. A U.S. intelligence official said analysis from the tests "was continuing."
    Based on seismic evidence, both officials and private experts say there is little doubt that the North Korean device was several times more powerful than those tested in 2006 and 2009.

    While estimates of the explosive power of the latest test vary widely, most officials and experts estimate it was at least five kilotons, which is smaller than the power of the atomic bomb the United States dropped on Hiroshima in World War Two.

    In a statement about the test issued through its official news agency, North Korea declared that it had used "a miniaturized and lighter nuclear device with greater explosive force than previously (and which) did not pose any negative impact on the surrounding ecological environment."

    One critical question is what kind of fissile material North Korea used in the latest test.
    In the two earlier tests, North Korea is believed to have used plutonium as the fissile core of its test devices.
    Following international diplomatic pressure, North Korea in 2007 abandoned plutonium production. But it later acknowledged that it had built facilities to produce highly enriched uranium, another fissile material that can be used in bombs.

    While plutonium is a by-product of nuclear reactors, experts say it can be difficult to build a bomb using the material because specifications have to be precise. Experts say it would be easy for North Korea to make large, if not almost unlimited, quantities of highly enriched uranium.

    'MAY NOT FIND ANYTHING'
    Absent the trace evidence that might have been collected by sniffer planes - and without leaked information from within the North Korean testing program - U.S. and allied officials said it would be very difficult for outsiders to determine whether the latest test involved a plutonium or uranium core.
    Other key issues include precisely how powerful the device was, how it was configured and how far the North Koreans have advanced in miniaturizing a device they might eventually deploy on long-range ballistic missiles that have been under development.

    Officials and experts familiar with the capabilities of sniffer planes said that over the years the North Koreans have become increasingly effective at burying and sealing their tests sites to conceal even the faintest scientific traces.

    "History would teach us that the North Koreans do like to hide their secret activities and control the message," said David Albright, a private nuclear expert who has visited North Korea and talked with officials about its nuclear program.

    A European national security official said the North Koreans were becoming "very effective" at hiding evidence that would offer clues to its nuclear secrets.

    A South Korean official knowledgeable about the February 12 test said that most likely the North Koreans dug a test tunnel deeply and sealed it tightly to prevent detection.

    "The most plausible point is the structure of the pit was made so that it wasn't a straight line that opened to the outside, but had multiple turns and also many intercepting blockades," he said.

    "We need to remember that this is deep in the mountains (where) they tested that are formed of heavy rocks, not out in flat, exposed area," the official said, adding: "We may not find anything."

    South Korean, U.S. and European officials all noted that the trace materials sometimes decay rapidly - in the case of highly enriched uranium within a couple of days after an explosion. The longer no traces are found, the less likely that any traces will be found.

    Although "there is still some time left, the chances of finding anything is getting lower and lower," the South Korean official said.


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    North Korea nuclear program:

    Post  George1 on Thu Oct 30, 2014 1:21 pm

    North Korea Can Miniaturize Nuclear Warheads for Medium-Range Missiles: US Military Expert

    MOSCOW, October 30 (RIA Novosti) – A US military expert believes North Korea has the ability to miniaturize nuclear warheads for its medium-range missiles, however Pyongyang does not appear to have technical capacity to conduct tests, Yonhap News Agency reported on Thursday.

    “My analysis is that North Korea could probably miniaturize a warhead that should fit for a Rodong missile,” director of the Non-Proliferation and Disarmament Program at the International Institute for Strategic Studies (IISS) Mark Fitzpatrick told Yonhap News. “Probably not as Scud missile, which has a smaller diameter, but Rodong most probably.”

    Fitzpatrick is currently in South Korea, taking part in the third Seoul Defense Dialogue, which started on Wednesday. Hundreds of officials and security experts from 24 countries and three international organizations have gathered at the international forum gathered, the source reported.

    The expert has said that North Korea would attempt to test its miniaturized warhead.

    “Probably, the North [North Korea] knows how to do it [the miniaturized warhead] based on their technical abilities, but until they test the miniature warhead, they would not be sure. In the process of the warhead development, it takes several tests to get it right”, Fitzpatrick added, as quoted by Yonhap News.

    Pyongyang started to test its nuclear weapons in 2006. In February 2013, the country tested its most powerful weapon yet.
    Just three weeks ago, the two Koreas exchanged heavy artillery fire. The countries have formally been in a state of war since 1953, as no peace treaty was signed after the Korean War ended. Relations between Seoul and Pyongyang have been tense, especially since North Korea torpedoed its neighbor’s warship in the Yellow Sea back in 2010.

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    Re: North Korea's Nuclear Program

    Post  GarryB on Fri Oct 31, 2014 9:32 am

    Yeah, and some people believe there is a little man who is everywhere who lives in the sky and created everything and controls everything, yet cares about us and looks after us despite WWI, WWII, mans general inhumanity to man.

    What US experts believe is not worth the paper it is written on...if US experts actually understood NK then there likely wouldn't be a problem with them right now.

    US experts often come up with such claims when they want a change in the current situation... usually to stop anything that would lead to US troops leaving Korea, or the US losing influence in SK, or financial cutbacks that might or might not effect Korea...


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    Re: North Korea's Nuclear Program

    Post  George1 on Tue Jan 06, 2015 2:09 am

    Russia-US Collaboration on North Korea Sanctions ‘Doubtful’: Consultant

    US government consultant on East Asia said that Russia and the United States are not likely to cooperate on new sanctions against North Korea, though cooperation in non-proliferation is a possibility.

    WASHINGTON, January 5 (Sputnik) — Russia and the United States are not likely to cooperate on new sanctions against North Korea, though cooperation in non-proliferation is a possibility, US government consultant on East Asia told Sputnik News Agency on Monday.

    "I am rather doubtful that this is something we will be able to work on with Russia," Bonnie Glaser told Sputnik referring to the US announcement on Friday of new sanctions targeting 10 individuals closely tied to North Korea.

    Glaser, who formerly worked as a consultant at the US Department of State and Department of Defense further commented that if North Korea were to conduct another nuclear test, "then there is greater potential for the US to work with China and Russia."

    Glaser added that major disagreement over the crisis in Ukraine have spilled over into a number of issues where the United States and Russia have typically worked together. "It's going to be difficult to carve out any issue that we can make progress on with Moscow," she said.

    While there is "no consensus" in the area of cyber-security among the United States, Russia and China, Glaser stated that the three could find common ground on the issue of North Korean nuclear non-proliferation.

    "I do believe we have a shared agenda on countering proliferation and preventing North Korea from moving forward with its development of nuclear weapons," Glaser told Sputnik.

    North Korea last tested a nuclear weapon in February 2013, according to official statements from North Korea's army command, and the Foreign Ministry threatened in November 2014 to conduct additional tests.

    On Friday, the US Treasury Department announced new sanctions against North Korea related to numerous provocations, but particularly allegations of North Korean responsibility for a cyberhack against Sony Pictures Entertainment. Governments of both Russia and China deny US charges of North Korean involvement in the cyberattack citing a lack of evidence provided by US officials.

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    Re: North Korea's Nuclear Program

    Post  NationalRus on Tue Jan 06, 2015 3:02 am

    sadly i have to admit we need to cover NK lunatics for geopolitical reasons, the world has changed in the last year and we need every ally we can get no mather how fuckd up crazy he is. like reagan said, he is a bastard but he is our bastard bounce

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    Re: North Korea's Nuclear Program

    Post  Zivo on Tue Jan 06, 2015 3:23 am

    Russia and China should push North Korea to disarm in exchange for security cooperation and integration.


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    Re: North Korea's Nuclear Program

    Post  Regular on Tue Jan 06, 2015 4:14 am

    One day North Korea will follow Chinas example. They will open up. They have plenty of potential if You think about it. But as Zivo said they need some pressure. Their self serving dictatorship is a product of US policies in early cold war. I don't see the reason why it should be continued.

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    Re: North Korea's Nuclear Program

    Post  Werewolf on Tue Jan 06, 2015 6:37 am

    Zivo wrote:Russia and China should push North Korea to disarm in exchange for security cooperation and integration.


    Nobody should get disarmed of their nukes except theocratic nuthouses. We saw what happens as soon as countries disarm their WMD's like Syria, the fucking excrements USofA started airstrikes right after disarmament was fullfilled, very bad move from russia, the worst till this day of Syrian terrorist coup started.

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    Re: North Korea's Nuclear Program

    Post  GarryB on Tue Jan 06, 2015 6:41 am

    Yeah cause pressure and isolation and movies about murdering their leader have been so successful in the past at getting them to do what the US wants.

    If the US wants North Korea to not test a nuclear weapon they should supply North Korea with a super computer and the software to simulate nuclear detonations... otherwise they should STFU.

    Or perhaps if the US wants Iran and North Korea and other countries to give up their nuclear weapons programs they should give up their own nuclear arsenal and make written promises not to attack and bully those countries...

    The Stick hasn't worked.

    Russia should not cooperate with the US with anything not in their interests, especially now while under US sanctions herself.

    Russia should continue with economic cooperation with North Korea and South Korea and help NK out of economic isolation. To create economic ties requires political communication and will help open NK up rather more than any petty punitive measures the US could think of.

    One day North Korea will follow Chinas example. They will open up.

    They will never open up to blackmail or threats... the Americans are retards when it comes to diplomacy.


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    Re: North Korea's Nuclear Program

    Post  Zivo on Tue Jan 06, 2015 8:20 am

    Werewolf wrote:
    Zivo wrote:Russia and China should push North Korea to disarm in exchange for security cooperation and integration.


    Nobody should get disarmed of their nukes except theocratic nuthouses. We saw what happens as soon as countries disarm their WMD's like Syria, the fucking excrements USofA started airstrikes right after disarmament was fullfilled, very bad move from russia, the worst till this day of Syrian terrorist coup started.

    Make it part of the terms of a mutual defense treaty.

    It's time Russia and China solve this problem, with protection NK would have no need for nukes. SK will also have to make major concessions afterwards, the US will have nothing to bark about, and the reasons for continuing the occupation in the south will fade.

    Russia and China are in a good position to work towards unifying Korea.

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    Re: North Korea's Nuclear Program

    Post  Hannibal Barca on Tue Jan 06, 2015 12:00 pm

    Zivo wrote:Russia and China should push North Korea to disarm in exchange for security cooperation and integration.


    Are you retard? Only if England and France do the same!! With morons like you why we need the enemies?

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    Re: North Korea's Nuclear Program

    Post  Regular on Tue Jan 06, 2015 12:44 pm

    Hannibal Barca wrote:
    Zivo wrote:Russia and China should push North Korea to disarm in exchange for security cooperation and integration.


    Are you retard? Only if England and France do the same!! With morons like you why we need the enemies?

    England and France are as important as Baltic's when it comes to Asia, especially North Korea. Russia, China and USA should have talks as they are partially responsible for what's going on there.
    Well Russia pulled nice trick infront of Obamas face with Syrian disarmament.
    It doesn't mean NK should bow to US interests. An by opening itself I am talking about same example as Chinas. Did they kiss US feet or it was other way around?

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    Re: North Korea's Nuclear Program

    Post  flamming_python on Tue Jan 06, 2015 1:08 pm

    Regular wrote:One day North Korea will follow Chinas example. They will open up. They have plenty of potential if You think about it. But as Zivo said they need some pressure. Their self serving dictatorship is a product of US policies in early cold war. I don't see the reason why it should be continued.

    It's their choice ultimately; that's the point.

    Russia's not in the regime-change game and rightly so.

    Zivo wrote:Russia and China should push North Korea to disarm in exchange for security cooperation and integration.


    Integration of course, into the SCO, and co-operation with the BRICS for investment and getting its economy up to scratch. South Korea & Japan should of course be engaged too; after all its in their best interests that North Korea reforms and starts economically developing - and perhaps 10-20 years down the line North Korea will have made enough progress perhaps to re-unite with South Korea into a unified country, and hopefully an independent one that leverages its status in BRICS and other Eurasian organizations to be politically independent from America.

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    Post  Zivo on Wed Jan 07, 2015 7:29 am

    Integration of course, into the SCO, and co-operation with the BRICS for investment and getting its economy up to scratch. South Korea & Japan should of course be engaged too; after all its in their best interests that North Korea reforms and starts economically developing - and perhaps 10-20 years down the line North Korea will have made enough progress perhaps to re-unite with South Korea into a unified country, and hopefully an independent one that leverages its status in BRICS and other Eurasian organizations to be politically independent from America.

    2014 was a good year for Russian/N. Korean ties, there were fresh developments, and it needs to be continued.  Working economically with N. Korea is the first step to opening and modernizing the country. With assurances, military reforms may be possible over the next few decades. De-escalation and disarmament on both sides would pave the way towards unification. It will take a long time.

    The less tension that exists between the Koreas, the less S.Korea will feel that they need the US military to protect them. N. Korea needs something other than weapons to cling to, they need that partnership with the SCO which should boost their diplomatic confidence to begin serious negotiations with the South. The fact that they're cornered causes them to behave erratically, elevating the fear in S. Korea the US needs to stay relevant.

    The best thing that can happen for negotiations, is the US taking a back seat. There's two foreseeable ways to make that happen, either decrease the overall threat level between the Koreas, or wait long enough until the US influence weakens across the whole east Asia region, whenever that may be.

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    Re: North Korea's Nuclear Program

    Post  GarryB on Thu Jan 08, 2015 7:59 am

    NK is not going to disarm first... it is the one that is actually under threat from the US and Japan and South Korea.


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    Re: North Korea's Nuclear Program

    Post  sepheronx on Thu Jan 08, 2015 8:40 am

    As was mentioned already: NK disarms, US will go for the attack. And US will stick in S.Korea even if NK disarmed. Look at Japan. Look at eastern Europe after fall of Warsaw pact. Their words are meaningless and just outright lies. So NK should keep nukes. Now an economically strong NK will mean more stability and thus, this should be key to Russia and China. Russia can use NK for cheaper labor for things that maybe Russians don't want to engage in, and as well, ramp up imports from them and exports to them. As well, investing in NK energy sector could be beneficial as well, as energy is the biggest issue in NK and major factor preventing it from really succeeding.

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    Post  George1 on Thu Jan 08, 2015 11:03 am

    sepheronx wrote:As was mentioned already: NK disarms, US will go for the attack.  And US will stick in S.Korea even if NK disarmed.  Look at Japan.  Look at eastern Europe after fall of Warsaw pact.  Their words are meaningless and just outright lies.  So NK should keep nukes.  Now an economically strong NK will mean more stability and thus, this should be key to Russia and China.  Russia can use NK for cheaper labor for things that maybe Russians don't want to engage in, and as well, ramp up imports from them and exports to them.  As well, investing in NK energy sector could be beneficial as well, as energy is the biggest issue in NK and major factor preventing it from really succeeding.

    i dont think that US will attack N.Korea a country in China borders. China will sure react

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    Post  Werewolf on Thu Jan 08, 2015 12:12 pm

    They will attack, if you think that Obomba was already like alunatic meddling directly in russia and ukraine it will be far worse and with hot war result when Hillary C*nt will run the shit.

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    Post  Regular on Thu Jan 08, 2015 3:38 pm

    Let's not forget that Russia has quite good relations with South Korea too.

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    Post  Zivo on Thu Jan 08, 2015 11:01 pm

    Unless there is massive growth in anti-American sentiment in SK over the next decade, continuing as is will not bring Korea closer to unification.

    I agree with most of the comments here about disarmament. If N. Korea were to give up their nuclear program tomorrow, the US would inevitably increase pressure. They want nothing more than to unify Korea by either regime change, or brute force, I cannot stress this enough. Some of you seem to think I'm ignorant of that fact. However, while I believe having nuclear weapons is preventing war, it is also preventing peace. Uncle Sam doesn't have to lift a finger to convince S. Koreans the north would pave their cities in glass at the drop of a hat, this is a problem that will have to be dealt with at some point. Unfortunately for the US, disarmament can wait as long as it needs to, other issues have higher priority.

    What needs to happen first is economic and humanitarian improvement in the North, while building a high level of diplomatic trust between N.Korea and the SCO.

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    Re: North Korea's Nuclear Program

    Post  George1 on Sat Jan 10, 2015 3:38 pm

    N Korea Offers to Suspend Nuke Tests in Exchange for End to US Drills

    The proposal was passed to the US government through a "relevant channel" on Friday. It proposed that the US contribute to easing tensions on the Korean peninsula by suspending its joint military drills in South Korea.

    MOSCOW, January 10 (Sputnik) — North Korea said on Saturday it wanted to "temporarily" suspend any nuclear tests as long as the United States agrees to cancel all of its annual joint military exercises with South Korea this year, citing the drills as the main reason for tension on the Korean peninsula.

    The proposal was passed to the US government through a "relevant channel" on Friday, the North Korean KCNA news agency said.

    "The message proposed (that) the US contribute to easing tension on the Korean peninsula by temporarily suspending joint military exercises in South Korea and its vicinity this year," KCNA reported.

    "(The message) said that in this case the DPRK is ready to take such a responsive step as temporarily suspending the nuclear test over which the U.S. is concerned," KCNA said in the report.

    The US has nearly 30,000 troops stationed in South Korea and conducts joint military exercises with its key Asian ally every year. The US and South Korea have stated that the annual drills are defensive, aimed at testing their readiness to confront any possible North Korean aggression.

    The KCNA report said Pyongyang’s proposal was aimed at de-escalating tensions in 2015, which marks the 70th anniversary of the division of the Korean peninsula into two parts following the end of World War II.

    The agency described the US-South Korean drills as the "root cause" of the tensions on the peninsula and warned that their continuation would rule out any possibility of dialogue.

    If Washington asks to hold talks over Pyongyang’s new proposal, the North "is ready to sit with the US anytime", the report said.

    North Korea has conducted three nuclear tests – the last in February 2013. Recently, it threatened a fourth test in response to a UN resolution which condemned alleged human rights abuses in the country.

    Meanwhile, expert analysis of recent commercial satellite imagery of the North Korean main underground tests site have shown none of the activity associated with a pending detonation, AFP says.

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    Post  Battalion0415 on Wed Jan 14, 2015 7:29 am

    It was beginning in N.Korea 25-30 nuclear missiles but today it is only 10.

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