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    Re: FIFA World Cup Russia 2018

    Post  Firebird on Tue Jun 02, 2015 10:18 pm

    Karl Haushofer wrote:
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    I think Russia should hit back hard. Clearly Cold War 2 is now on.
    Russia should hit back with what? Russia's soft power and economic power are minimal compared to the United States.

    The United States is like that good looking tall guy who can do no wrong. No matter what crimes he commits. One dashing smile and all is forgiven and forgotten. Russia is the opposite. No matter how hard Russia tries to be good it is still either hated or loathed.

    The United States is in an enviable position. Surrounded and protected by oceans. The best climate in the world with abundant natural resources. The best agricultural land in the world. Talented and pretty hard working population. Steals the best brains from the rest of the world (including Russia) with immigration. Causes havoc and destruction to Eurasian continent while sucking wealth and money for itself.

    It is not a fair world.

    I think your view is very inaccurate and outdated.
    America might have Britain, some of Europe and a few 3rd world shitholes as its bitches.
    But America's own posn is much like Britain in the 1920s. An empire yes, but the reasons for the empire's existence has long since passed.

    America had a last high pt in the 1990s. But now there is the EU, China, RUssia, India and various powerful blocs. Dollar hegemony cant last forever, it is ending. Most of the world is sick of its bullying. And Russia is putting its foot down, as indeed China, the EU etc will too.

    Regardless of all that, it is truly hated around much of the World. And that includes much of Europe, Lat America and elsewhere.

    America's middle class is disappearing. And most of America's immigrants are unskilled sweatshoppers. Its not that appealing to 1st worlders any more. (I almost moved years ago, but wouldnt dream of going to the US now).

    What we have with the world cup is a scared America, trying every trick in the book. It cant fool all the EU that America and Europe's interests all convergence. Infact America got rich by causing shit for Europe. LOng term, America will just be "another successful country", with rich AND very poor. It will be like a much larger Australia, but any claims of hegemony will be long gone.

    Russia could hit bacl with lots of things. But there is no need to with the EU. THe EU knows that it has much in common with Russia.

    RUssia could sponsor unrest in America. It could release all the dirt it has on America - America's spying and terror on other states in the name of "anti terror". America's GMO devilry. It could even attack the US financial system which relies on stability in a way unlike any of Russia's industries. There is much it could do.

    Basically America needs to grow up. Its the petulant child with an overinflated sense of "entitlement".
    It has a place in the World. It is not THE World.

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    Re: FIFA World Cup Russia 2018

    Post  Firebird on Tue Jun 02, 2015 10:44 pm

    I hope America doesnt start running FIFA>

    America is planning all sorts of shit for European football, all of it grotesque.

    ENgland had 3 of the top clubs in Europe. Lpool, Man Utd and Arsenal.
    Americans took them over. Its now obscene ticket prices (5x those of Bayern, Barcelona and Real madrid etc), and all the star players get sold. So the teams do shit in Europe. Germany and Spain, the fans own the clubs. ENgland's former giants are owned by Yanks, who rip off the fans at every opportunity.

    Lpool in particular was taken over by Americans in a corporate fraud. And ofcourse the gimp legal system in Britain did nothing about it.

    England has a Russian and an Arab owned club, who replaceed the American owned 3 as the top clubs. Both very successful and the fans are respected.
    The non American owners want to win, entertain the fans (Chelsea and Man City).

    The American owned clubs are just shit. They arent clubs, its corporate rip off shit. For a football mad country like England, this is yet another reason to mean America has become truly hated. (Along with Iraq, GMO, political meddling and the influx of US multinationals etc etc)

    FIFA under American rule will be a joke. Like boxing it will be pay per view for everything. Greed incarnate. It really will be like the Devil took over.

    Its like finding a suspected paedo, and letting Lucifer investigate the Vatican.

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    Re: FIFA World Cup Russia 2018

    Post  max steel on Tue Jun 02, 2015 10:51 pm

    There are 93 million unemployed americans . Now count those with the 29.5$ hr/wk job holders from 330 million US population . Yes Russia is second in migration even russian jews are coming back from israel as moscow has much better opportunities than israel .

    Firebird wrote:


    America's middle class is disappearing. And most of America's immigrants are unskilled sweatshoppers. Its not that appealing to 1st worlders any more. (I almost moved years ago, but wouldnt dream of going to the US now).

    What we have with the world cup is a scared America, trying every trick in the book. It  cant fool all the EU that America and Europe's interests all convergence. Infact America got rich by causing shit for Europe. LOng term, America will just be "another successful country", with rich AND very poor. It will be like a much larger Australia, but any claims of hegemony will be long gone.

    Russia could hit bacl with lots of things. But there is no need to with the EU. THe EU knows that it has much in common with Russia.

    RUssia could sponsor unrest in America. It could release all the dirt it has on America - America's spying and terror on other states in the name of "anti terror". America's GMO devilry. It could even attack the US financial system which relies on stability in a way unlike any of Russia's industries. There is much it could do.

    Basically America needs to grow up. Its the petulant child with an overinflated sense of "entitlement".
    It has a place in the World. It is not THE World.


    1) EU will always be washington flunkies as long as its empire exist . They have no common interest with Russia apart from doing business nothing else .

    2) Russia can't sponosor unrest in US . Even the baltimore riots were being organized by George soros foundation . It's not that strong . Putin said he will release 9/11 info but did it happen ? Never . ( HARSH TRUTH )

    3.) Russia has no leverage against US economically , they can't do anything except hacking their stock markets to cause substantial damage to usa economy . China holds that power .

    4.) Russia is weaker if we compare one on one to US . It has an economy and miltiary budget 1/10th the size. BUT - its not about a one-on-one scenario - Russia is not trying to govern the world

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    Re: FIFA World Cup Russia 2018

    Post  Ivan the Colorado on Tue Jun 02, 2015 11:03 pm

    flamming_python wrote:
    Karl Haushofer wrote:
    sepheronx wrote:
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    max steel wrote:
    Let me correct you : usa isnt the only country when it comes to natural resource russia is ofcourse  leads in it.
    True, but Russia's climate is lot worse and Russia lacks warm water ports. And the US makes a better use of its resources than Russia (as it refines them locally instead of exporting them as raw materials).

    max steel wrote:
    And usa is NOT best aggricultural land in world .
    It is the biggest agricultural power in the world.

    max steel wrote:
    Stealing best brains ? NOT necessarily . Yes that is America Secret Weapon .
    Basically "everyone" wants to go to America. Scientists. Athletes. Businessmen. Even Russians.

    Yes, and I pretty much hate America. They have it "too good" when you look at what they do to rest of the world.

    EDIT: I understand that most of the people in this forum also live in America or in Canada. You made a choice to move there.

    Man your full of shit.

    Russia is one of the largest metallurgical countries in the world. What do you think companies like Norlisk Nickel and the likes actually do? Where do you think they get composit materials from?

    Many of us are people of various generations living in Canada or west. Not like we had a choice.
    I don't regard Russia as a "banana republic" but overall its economy is quite a much behind the United States. The US gdp is of course inflated (due to dollar's position as the world reserve currency) but they do also have a gigantic real production and real economy. And their good climate and shorter distances between population centers makes it easier for them to maintain this gigantic economy.

    May surprise you to know that I live in Russia. Not only that, but that I also emigrated here (or repatriated) from the West.
    Been living here 5 years now, quite content really.

    You're right that Russia has a long way to go, but it's not as bleak as you make it sound.
    Something must be attracting people to come, and for those already here - to stay, because it's the 2nd most immigrated to country in the world, and because according to the most recent survey, some 81% of Russians have no plans of leaving the country to work abroad.
    I would like to provide a different point of view. I live in the States and I visit Russia for a month every summer. From what I saw things were great in the US until the financial collapse of 2008. Many people's lives went downhill in one way or another and there is a feeling still that the US hasn't come out of recession despite the economic indicators saying it has. The general outlook on things is not what it was before the recession. Things are getting better, but it is happening at a very slow pace.

    I visit Russia every summer for about a month and from what I can tell, things are a lot different. I remember visiting back in 2001 and everything seemed grey and depressed. Since then, life has improved by leaps and bounds even in places outside of Moscow and Piter like Nizhniy. I have some friends who were born in the 90's and they are grew up in a completely different environment than what my 3 year old cousin is growing up through. Despite a economic slowdown, I am confident that Russia will continue to improve and grow.

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    Re: FIFA World Cup Russia 2018

    Post  max steel on Tue Jun 02, 2015 11:25 pm

    Well actually 2008 was the tip of the iceberg movement for usa economy . Things have not changed yet and what usa govt is doing right now is applying bandages to the already broken economy . They are not improving it . They are just left with option of Quant Easing . Its effects are terrible . There are many things i can discuss in detail but not now .

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    Re: FIFA World Cup Russia 2018

    Post  GarryB on Wed Jun 03, 2015 8:32 am

    Guys... FIFA thread... not who has the best economy...


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    Re: FIFA World Cup Russia 2018

    Post  collegeboy16 on Wed Jun 03, 2015 9:55 am

    who gives a fck about soccer anyway- basketball is the sh!t. Razz

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    Re: FIFA World Cup Russia 2018

    Post  George1 on Wed Jun 03, 2015 10:41 am

    collegeboy16 wrote:who gives a fck about soccer anyway- basketball is the sh!t. Razz

    well fifa world cup is the biggest competition after olympic games, and it is the first time Russia organizes it

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    Re: FIFA World Cup Russia 2018

    Post  GarryB on Wed Jun 03, 2015 12:21 pm

    Basketball?

    I don't watch sport very much at all, but I despise Basketball, and Netball... I used to watch Soccer but all that diving just put me right off watching it... hilarious that someone pretending to be injured and getting a penalty and even an opponent sent off is considered OK but handball into the net as a goal is not OK... both are cheating in my opinion...


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    Re: FIFA World Cup Russia 2018

    Post  George1 on Wed Jun 03, 2015 12:22 pm

    GarryB wrote:Basketball?

    I don't watch sport very much at all, but I despise Basketball, and Netball... I used to watch Soccer but all that diving just put me right off watching it... hilarious that someone pretending to be injured and getting a penalty and even an opponent sent off is considered OK but handball into the net as a goal is not OK... both are cheating in my opinion...

    btw in russia even volleyball is more popular than basketball

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    Re: FIFA World Cup Russia 2018

    Post  Werewolf on Wed Jun 03, 2015 4:03 pm

    Icehockey and Dodgeball the only true sports where no pussies are allowed to play unfair.

    Who ever watches football will see players with more and bigger balls at women soccer than in male soccer. They are only pretending to be injured so the opponent team gets yellow or red card, while at women soccer if one dares to slap another it means war, they do not stand down.

    However nothing is more fun than dodgeball.

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    Re: FIFA World Cup Russia 2018

    Post  Kimppis on Wed Jun 03, 2015 5:50 pm

    FIFA World Cup is EPIC. Greatest show on Earth. I watched all the matches during both 2010 and 2014 World Cups and I'm going to do it again in 2018 if I can. And Russia deserves to host the competition, because they are doing it for the first time, USSR included. Can't wait!  

    And ffs, it's football!!!

    (Off-topic: I just read from wiki that Ukraine planned to bid for the 2024 Olympics back in 2012. lol1 No offence to Ukrainians or anything, but man... At this rate Malawi would be a better choice. )

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    Re: FIFA World Cup Russia 2018

    Post  max steel on Wed Jun 03, 2015 7:36 pm

    Garry loves Rugby !! What a Face

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    Re: FIFA World Cup Russia 2018

    Post  flamming_python on Wed Jun 03, 2015 8:55 pm

    FBI now announced that they will investigate the Russian and Qatar bids

    http://www.reuters.com/article/2015/06/03/us-soccer-fifa-idUSKBN0OI22P20150603

    If this doesn't open peoples eyes I don't know what will

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    Re: FIFA World Cup Russia 2018

    Post  sepheronx on Wed Jun 03, 2015 10:09 pm

    flamming_python wrote:FBI now announced that they will investigate the Russian and Qatar bids

    http://www.reuters.com/article/2015/06/03/us-soccer-fifa-idUSKBN0OI22P20150603

    If this doesn't open peoples eyes I don't know what will

    Not in Europe it wont. Because they tow whatever line the US states. Qatar will probably keep the bid but not Russia.

    Oh well. At least Russia could use those stadiums to attract other events and do an alternative to FIFA.

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    Re: FIFA World Cup Russia 2018

    Post  Cyberspec on Thu Jun 04, 2015 3:41 am

    I don't think they will cancel the 2018 cup, because for one, it's probably too late to change hosts. I also doubt they will have enough votes within FIFA to make such a change. It's just a media smear campaign IMO.

    Personally, I think it's a waste of money to host the world cup in the current environment

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    Re: FIFA World Cup Russia 2018

    Post  zepia on Thu Jun 04, 2015 4:55 am

    Cyberspec wrote:I don't think they will cancel the 2018 cup, because for one, it's probably too late to change hosts. I also doubt they will have enough votes within FIFA to make such a change. It's just a media smear campaign IMO.

    Personally, I think it's a waste of money to host the world cup in the current environment

    Not waste if they can did it as good as last year Sochi.

    Sport events, especially big ones, will boost up travel industry and also build the new image of the country. Which are two things Russia need.
    Many part of the world still think Russia=Evil Commie Soviet (include the part I living in). This kind of event could fix that.

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    Re: FIFA World Cup Russia 2018

    Post  sepheronx on Thu Jun 04, 2015 5:04 am

    zepia wrote:
    Cyberspec wrote:I don't think they will cancel the 2018 cup, because for one, it's probably too late to change hosts. I also doubt they will have enough votes within FIFA to make such a change. It's just a media smear campaign IMO.

    Personally, I think it's a waste of money to host the world cup in the current environment

    Not waste if they can did it as good as last year Sochi.

    Sport events, especially big ones, will boost up travel industry and also build the new image of the country. Which are two things Russia need.
    Many part of the world still think Russia=Evil Commie Soviet (include the part I living in). This kind of event could fix that.

    The biggest travelers to Russia is Chinese and domestic tourists. At this point, it aint going to change. Maybe indian tourists will increase as well. Europeans and US will be left out because of politics.

    I hate my government..... I would love for cheap and fast travel to Crimea.

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    Re: FIFA World Cup Russia 2018

    Post  GarryB on Thu Jun 04, 2015 9:13 am

    The biggest travelers to Russia is Chinese and domestic tourists. At this point, it aint going to change. Maybe indian tourists will increase as well. Europeans and US will be left out because of politics.

    But that is the point... holding a major soccer tournament means people who would normally never even consider travelling to Russia will have to go if they want to see the games. Once they are there they will find that the stuff they see on TV about Russia is largely western media BS and they will go home with a completely different view of Russia than they likely had when they first went... they can tell friends and family that it was not the worst place they have been and people thinking of going for other reasons might decide to go when otherwise they would not even consider it.

    And no, I don't watch much sport at all and could not even tell you the positions in rugby, let alone how the game is played...


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    What are Russia's options if the 2018 FIFA world cup is shifted to UK?

    Post  jhelb on Thu Jun 04, 2015 9:22 am

    As we all know that the UK along with the US has been successful in removing Sepp Blatter from the position of FIFA president and are now in the process of shifting the 2018 FIFA world cup to the UK.

    If the 2018 FIFA World Cup is indeed shifted out of Russia, what are the options that Russia has to punish the US,UK and it's allies?

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    Re: FIFA World Cup Russia 2018

    Post  George1 on Thu Jun 04, 2015 9:28 am

    jhelb wrote:As we all know that the UK along with the US has been successful in removing Sepp Blatter from the position of FIFA president and are now in the process of shifting the 2018 FIFA world cup to the UK.

    If the 2018 FIFA World Cup is indeed shifted out of Russia, what are the options that Russia has to punish the US,UK and it's allies?


    i dont think that they have time for this, we are in the middle of 2015, no country has the time to prepare the stadiums needed for a world cup in 2-2,5 years. And regarding USA they had bid and their protest was against Qatar selection for 2022. 2022 was the center of controversy

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    Re: FIFA World Cup Russia 2018

    Post  max steel on Thu Jun 04, 2015 9:34 am

    London Olympics 2012 was such a fiasco . Indian atheletes were not happy with the living rooms .


    http://www.independent.co.uk/sport/olympics/news/london-2012-indian-athletes-bemoan-living-conditions-in-olympics-athletes-village-7973260.html

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    Re: FIFA World Cup Russia 2018

    Post  Neutrality on Thu Jun 04, 2015 9:48 am

    If they take away Russia's WC in 2018 and cancel it, there will be an international protest. If the US want to damage their reputation for good and I'm talking real damage then they should definitely do it. If you think you have seen everything with batshit insane Ukrainian nationalists then you haven't seen football hooligans/fanatics yet. Qatar is in 2022 so that's still far away, they have more time to find a replacement for them than for Russia.

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    Re: FIFA World Cup Russia 2018

    Post  jhelb on Thu Jun 04, 2015 10:48 am

    George1 wrote:i dont think that they have time for this, we are in the middle of 2015, no country has the time to prepare the stadiums needed for a world cup in 2-2,5 years. And regarding USA they had bid and their protest was against Qatar selection for 2022. 2022 was the center of controversy

    The UK is trying it's best to host the 2018 world cup and even if their preparation is ordinary no European country will oppose it.

    So there is a real danger of the FIFA 2018 world cup moving to the UK.

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    Re: FIFA World Cup Russia 2018

    Post  Viktor on Thu Jun 04, 2015 3:30 pm

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