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    Re: Bulava SLBM Development Thread:

    Post  kvs on Thu Sep 29, 2016 7:21 pm

    AK-Rex wrote:Success reported in salvo Bulava launch from Yuri Dolgorukiy

    On September 27, 2016 the Yuri Dolgorukiy submarine of the Project 955 Borey class conducted a salvo launch of two Bulava missiles. The missiles were launched from a submerged submarine deployed in the White Sea. According to the official statement, the launch was fully successful. Warheads of the first missile reached their targets on the Kura test site. The second missile self destroyed "after completing the first phase of the flight".

    The ministry of defense called the launch "experimental," but the nature of the experiment is not clear. One report quotes former chief of the Navy Main Staff as saying that the launch was supposed to check the readiness of the strategic fleet, so maybe the experiment checked the command and control procedures. But it's just a guess.

    The destruction of the missile shortly after launch is unlikely to be the experiment in question. This appears to be a normal practice in salvo launches - at the very least it saves money, since the missile probably carries mockups instead of working upper stages and warehads. Indeed, this is probably what happened in the previous salvo launch, in November 2015 -- there were reports about destruction of one missile. These reports were probably right, but it was wrong to conclude (as I did) that it was a failure.

    This launch has its own history. The previous one, in November 2015, conducted by Vladimir Monomakh, was reported to be not entirely successful. There were reports that suggested that the missile that flew to Kura was damaged as it was leaving the launch tube and as a result its warheads missed the targets (we may note that reports about today's launch emphasized that "both missiles left their tubes and followed the assigned trajectories"). Then, there was a report that Vladimir Monomakh will make another attempt in June 2016, before leaving to the Pacific. However, it has left without a launch.


    This interpretation is vastly more plausible than the "yet another failure" one. It seems that the navy is deliberately keeping the confusion alive.
    This would be consistent of not giving Uncle Scam an accurate picture of Russia's military capability. But at the same time there is a need to
    inform the hubris-filled, drinker of his own propaganda koolaid that Russia is no pushover.

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    Re: Bulava SLBM Development Thread:

    Post  Project Canada on Mon Oct 03, 2016 9:39 pm

    What’s wrong with Russia’s new Bulava missile?

    October 3, 2016 NIKOLAI LITOVKIN, RBTH

    Only one of Russia’s two new Bulava intercontinental ballistics reached its target during the latest tests in the White Sea. Russian experts say that now it is necessary to understand if this was a production defect or if the new weapon has more serious problems.

    On the night of Sept. 28 the Yury Dolgoruky nuclear submarine tested two Bulava intercontinental ballistic missiles (ICBM). The sub was supposed to navigate at a depth of 50 meters in the White Sea and strike a target on the opposite side of Russia, at the Kura firing range on the Kamchatka Peninsula.

    Since these were just tests, the missiles were not carrying nuclear warheads. Instead they contained electronic warheads that transmitted flight information to the control center.

    However, only one of the two missiles reached its target. The second, according to military personnel, "autodestructed" after the first flight phase and fell into the sea.

    Military sources at the publication say that the missile was slightly damaged on launch, making it impossible for it to reach its destination. The Russian Defense Ministry declined to comment.

    What could have gone wrong?
    This was not the first time that something has gone wrong with the Bulava: 8 out of 26 launches of the missile have been unsuccessful.

    However, despite these unconvincing statistics, specialists insist that it is too early to write the project off as unsuccessful, since combat technology does not immediately reach the necessary level of reliability: It first goes through a series of tests, during which there are often problems.

    For example, according to an RBTH source in the Russian defense industry, the heaviest and most powerful Russian intercontinental ballistic missile, the R-36M2 Voevoda, also exploded in the air and fell during the first 30 trials but was then perfected and gained a reputation as a reliable missile.

    "In Bulava's case a series of mistakes was made during construction,” said the source. “Firstly, the developers, who had never worked with ICBMs for nuclear submarines, in certain stages limited themselves to computer models rather than testing at sea. Secondly, the government should not have been trying to optimize costs and deadlines by unifying ‘ground’ missiles with ‘sea’ missiles.”

    Russian military experts say that it is too early to understand the reason for the failure of the missile. It could be down to insufficient improvement after unsuccessful launches or a production defect.

    "You need to look at the missile's exact production date,” said Vladimir Yevseyev, deputy director of the Institute of CIS Countries. “Was it produced during the period of unsuccessful launches that already had technical defects or after having been supplied to the armed forces?"

    Yevseyev explained that experts will now analyze the incident and the military will take appropriate action.

    "This requires extremely serious investigation. If a part of the missiles supplied to the Russian army breaks down after being launched, this could reduce the combat readiness of Russia's nuclear forces and could even lead to a technogenic catastrophe," he said.

    The Russian Navy currently has three 955 Borei nuclear submarines, which were produced for the Bulava ICBM.

    Each of them can hold up to 16 Bulava-class missiles with a range of around 5,000 miles (8,000 km). The Bulava can carry from 6 to 10 hypersonic maneuverable individually guided nuclear warheads with a yield of 100-150 kilotons, which can alter their flight trajectory in terms of height and course.

    By 2020 the Russian Navy will obtain eight project Borei and Borei-A missile strategic submarines (the Borei-A is a modified submarine that can carry 20 Bulava ICBMs).


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    Re: Bulava SLBM Development Thread:

    Post  kvs on Tue Oct 04, 2016 12:52 am is a liberast media source. It simply cannot be trusted. I find their claims about knowing what the warheads were like
    and their state to be extremely dubious. Like they have a 5th columnist working for them who has the details...hey wait, maybe they
    do and that would explain sabotage.

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    Re: Bulava SLBM Development Thread:

    Post  gaurav on Thu Oct 13, 2016 10:02 am

    kvs wrote: It simply cannot be trusted. I find their claims about knowing what the warheads were like
    and their state to be extremely dubious.

    There are certain points which must be considered while discuccing this failed launch.

    1. My conclusion: Tests were fully successful ,the second launch was experimental. The Russ MOD clarified that Yuri Dolguruky
      is used for experimental tests not for armed forces exercises.The russ navy conducted full SSBN tests yesterday it self.
      Experimental launch could mean anything I donno. (some launch procedure , new Bulava missiles , ABM busting techniques, salvo launch procedures etc).
      The Russ Mod does not want to show the true capabilities of Bulava to U.S reconnaisance satellites. That is why they are very reserved
       in testing the advanced missiles.

    2. MITT(moscow inst thermat tech) is  a very secretive org . No info is available to any Russ media. Most of the russ media takes takes their sources from Janes or related U.S based agencies while reporting critical Russian missile tests.
      Apart from Bulava they are also producing Rubezh ICBM this missile is also in 30 ton category or something.
      Rubezh is clearly successful project .Rubezh just like Bulava is undergoing constant upgrade and the division will be deployed by 1st quarter 2017 .
    3. We can confidently say news coming from gazeta or sputniknews (regarding failures) of missile tests failures are patently false.

    4.Also remember Moscow thermal tech) constructed topol and Topol-M missiles . They are fully successful products hence to doubt them(MITT) is akin to saying arctic is in south pole.They have been developing ICBM since 1960 so it cannot be that they sabotaged the entire Bulava

    5.Bulava is fully ready and stocked and piled up. Almost 150 units of Bulava have already been produced. Bulava is now the Topol-M of the russian defense industry. There are absolutely nil(0 percent) chances that this missile will fail except made to do it deliberately.

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