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    Re: Bulava SLBM Thread:

    Post  artjomh on Fri 06 Nov 2015, 14:01

    jhelb wrote:1. Why does the first 2 stage uses solid fuel and the third stage liquid fuel? In other words, why not have solid fuel for the third stage as well?

    Don't listen to stupid people, jhelb. Bulava has 3 solid-fuel stages.



    jhelb wrote:2. The CEP of the Bulava is stated to be 350m. Isn't that a bit too high?

    Says who exactly?
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    Re: Bulava SLBM Thread:

    Post  Arrow on Fri 06 Nov 2015, 15:46

    Bulava has a smallest trow weight then other SLBM. Only about 1150 kg. Comparing Sineva has 2800 kg similary Trident II. Triden I has about 1500 kg. M-51 has about 2000 kg ?. This missile can carry more heavier warhead and decoy, anti ABM systems.
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    Re: Bulava SLBM Thread:

    Post  jhelb on Fri 06 Nov 2015, 17:53

    artjomh wrote:Says who exactly?

    The corrupt media and I fell for their lies.





    http://www.nti.org/analysis/articles/russian-ballistic-cruise-missile-models/#Bulava


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    Re: Bulava SLBM Thread:

    Post  Rmf on Fri 06 Nov 2015, 18:24

    the final stage for incertion of individual multiple reentry warheads is liquid fueled cince it needs multiple fireings.
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    Re: Bulava SLBM Thread:

    Post  max steel on Fri 06 Nov 2015, 18:34

    Arrow wrote:Bulava has a smallest trow weight then other SLBM. Only about 1150 kg. Comparing Sineva has 2800 kg similary Trident II. Triden I has about 1500 kg. M-51 has about 2000 kg ?. This missile can carry more heavier warhead and decoy, anti ABM systems.

    Bulava is made and designed just to evade western abm shields.


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    Re: Bulava SLBM Thread:

    Post  artjomh on Fri 06 Nov 2015, 18:49

    Rmf wrote:the final stage for incertion of individual multiple reentry warheads is liquid fueled cince it needs multiple fireings.

    Not necessarily.

    R-36M had a solid-fuel warhead bus. Same with RSD-10. You are not absolutely required to have a liquid-fuelled PBV on a MIRV'd missile.
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    Re: Bulava SLBM Thread:

    Post  Rmf on Sat 07 Nov 2015, 12:43

    werent those single warhead icmbs? !
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    Re: Bulava SLBM Thread:

    Post  artjomh on Sat 07 Nov 2015, 15:35

    Rmf wrote:werent those single warhead icmbs? !

    No

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    Re: Bulava SLBM Thread:

    Post  Rmf on Mon 09 Nov 2015, 22:50

    not to derail but pioneer was more of a medium range missile- it didnt reach orbit.
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    Re: Bulava SLBM Thread:

    Post  artjomh on Mon 09 Nov 2015, 23:17

    Rmf wrote:not to derail but pioneer was more of a medium range missile- it didnt reach orbit.

    How is that even relevant?
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    Re: Bulava SLBM Thread:

    Post  Stealthflanker on Wed 11 Nov 2015, 07:35

    Rmf wrote:not to derail but pioneer was more of a medium range missile- it didnt reach orbit.

    Then ? There are no Ballistic missile doing a "true orbit" except FOBS.

    Plus.. Apogee of Pioneer is 1375 Km above the earth.
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    Re: Bulava SLBM Thread:

    Post  jhelb on Wed 11 Nov 2015, 17:38

    Stealthflanker wrote:Then ? There are no Ballistic missile doing a "true orbit" except FOBS.

    Plus.. Apogee of Pioneer is 1375 Km above the earth.


    If the Bulava is launched against a country can the missile be aborted/destroyed in flight by the Russian Navy ? Maybe because the Navy feels that by launching the missile itself they have put the point across & do not actually have to hit the target in an enemy country. Thanks.
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    Re: Bulava SLBM Thread:

    Post  artjomh on Wed 11 Nov 2015, 18:06

    jhelb wrote:
    Stealthflanker wrote:Then ? There are no Ballistic missile doing a "true orbit" except FOBS.

    Plus.. Apogee of Pioneer is 1375 Km above the earth.


    If the Bulava is launched against a country can the missile be aborted/destroyed in flight by the Russian Navy ? Maybe because the Navy feels that by launching the missile itself they have put the point across & do not actually have to hit the target in an enemy country. Thanks.

    Remote self-destruct mechanisms are installed often during test flights, but are almost never present on operational missiles. For obvious reasons.
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    Re: Bulava SLBM Thread:

    Post  Vann7 on Thu 12 Nov 2015, 07:27

    jhelb wrote:
    Stealthflanker wrote:Then ? There are no Ballistic missile doing a "true orbit" except FOBS.

    Plus.. Apogee of Pioneer is 1375 Km above the earth.


    If the Bulava is launched against a country can the missile be aborted/destroyed in flight by the Russian Navy ? Maybe because the Navy feels that by launching the missile itself they have put the point across & do not actually have to hit the target in an enemy country. Thanks.

    Without satellite navigation the precision will be atrociuous ,it could aim at New york city and end hitting Florida. Inertial navigation is far from enough.You need satellite navigation for an acceptable precision for intercontinental nuclear missiles. Remeber that Bulava do not flight in a straight line ,because it does zig zag,left and right moves and have multiple reentry warheads the precision is in the couple of hundred meters. But because it have heavy nuclear warhead it will not matter.. it will wipe anything withing 10km radius instantly PER warhead.. and third degree burns up to 30km.
    So if you have 6 warheads ,then 10km x 6 warheads spread from the center = 60km total wipe of any country.  and with up to 6 x 30km third degree burns and radiation up to 180km from the impact zone. Nothing small indeed. one bulava could cover completely a territory of the size of Crimea if what a flat terrain with at least third degree burns and radiation on people. and one Borei submarine with x 16 bulavas if hit the right places have enough power to stop even the US navy and sink all its aircraft carriers and its escorts. with good intelligence of its positions and seriously damage them beyond repair and vaporize its crew.. really scary power. Shocked    Cool


    This is why is laughable the Claims of IRAN of their missiles that can hit Israel. They don't have
    navigational system of satellites like Russia or USA to guide with any precision their missiles. Their missiles could have the range to reach israel but the wind and air will move the missile beyond its trajectory and the missile will not have a way to check if needs corrections.

    Neither IRan or Pakistan have any chance to hit anything beyond 2,000km with any acceptable precision. If launch missiles at israel it could end in Jordan or in the sea. CHina have an incomplete nav system but with Russia Glonnass assistance they can get the same Russian preicision that is world class. India i don't think have any nav sat..so with Russia help it can also get the precision they need. Europe have a navigation system but is incomplete too.. they need American GPS help.
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    Re: Bulava SLBM Thread:

    Post  Morpheus Eberhardt on Thu 12 Nov 2015, 12:02

    There are reports to the effect that the Proekt 955 submarine Vladimir Monomakh will conduct a salvo launch of two Bulava missiles in the next few days (before November 16th).
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    Re: Bulava SLBM Thread:

    Post  ult on Sat 14 Nov 2015, 19:19

    The launch was successful.

    Атомный ракетный крейсер стратегического назначения «Владимир Мономах» впервые выполнил залповый ракетный пуск двумя межконтинентальными баллистическими ракетами «Булава»
    Сегодня, 14 ноября, ракетный подводный крейсер стратегического назначения Северного флота «Владимир Мономах» (проекта 955 «Борей») под командованием капитана 1 ранга Виктора Сидоренко произвел успешную залповую стрельбу двумя межконтинентальными баллистическими ракетами (МБР) «Булава» из назначенного района в акватории Белого моря по полигону Кура на Камчатке.
    Залповая стрельба выполнена из подводного положения в соответствии с планом боевой подготовки. Параметры траектории полета двух МБР «Булава» отработаны в штатном режиме. По подтвержденным данным объективного контроля боевые блоки ракет успешно прибыли в полигон Кура на Камчатке.
    Залповый пуск двух межконтинентальных баллистических ракет подтвердил надежность функционирования всех составляющих и, в частности, автоматики ракетного комплекса «Булава» при использовании штатного боекомплекта.
    Экипаж атомного подводного ракетоносца «Владимир Мономах» при выполнении учебно-боевой задачи проявил профессионализм и высокую морскую выучку.
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    Re: Bulava SLBM Thread:

    Post  Morpheus Eberhardt on Sat 14 Nov 2015, 21:33

    Russian Ministry of Defence wrote:The strategic nuclear-powered missile cruiser "Vladimir Monomakh" performed the first salvo missile launch of two "Bulava" intercontinental ballistic missiles today, November 14.

    Strategic missile submarine cruiser of the Northern Fleet, "Vladimir Monomakh" (Proekt 955 "Borej") under the command of Captain 1st Rank Viktor Sidorenko made a successful salvo launch of two intercontinental ballistic missiles (ICBMs) "Bulava" from the designated area in the White Sea at the Kura test site in Kamchatka.

    Salvo firing from a submerged position is made in accordance with the plan of combat training. Options trajectory ICBM two "Bulava" worked normally. As confirmed to objective monitoring missile warheads successfully arrived at the Kura testing ground on the Kamchatka Peninsula.

    Salvo launch of two intercontinental ballistic missiles confirmed the reliability of the operation of all components, in particular, automatic missile complex "Bulava" when using regular ammunition.

    The crew of the nuclear submarine "Vladimir Monomakh" in carrying out combat training tasks showed high professionalism and seamanship.

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    Re: Bulava SLBM Thread:

    Post  Cyberspec on Sat 14 Nov 2015, 23:02

    Good news...deserves an appropriate smiley russia

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    Re: Bulava SLBM Thread:

    Post  max steel on Thu 19 Nov 2015, 15:20

    Apparently not very successfully - warheads of the first missile failed to reach their targets. Neutral pale



    One of the Bulava missiles missed its targets


    The flight of the first of the two Bulava missiles launched from Vladimir Monomakh submarine on November 14, 2015 did not hit its targets at the Kura test site. The source said that the warheads did reach "the Kamchatka region", but not the designated targets. This suggests that the miss was fairly large.
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    Re: Bulava SLBM Thread:

    Post  Project Canada on Thu 19 Nov 2015, 22:20


    First, problem with the engines, now problem with the warheads? I hope they get to fix things up soon, Bulava missiles are already in deployed status aren't they? if a nuclear war suddenly happens you wouldn't want your missiles to fail to reach their targets
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    Re: Bulava SLBM Thread:

    Post  sepheronx on Thu 19 Nov 2015, 22:29

    Could be a dud.  They would have to test more launches to determin if it is an actual problem.  That said, nit every systen can be perfect like sineave. there is a reason why they test these.
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    Re: Bulava SLBM Thread:

    Post  jhelb on Fri 20 Nov 2015, 14:57

    artjomh wrote:Remote self-destruct mechanisms are installed often during test flights, but are almost never present on operational missiles. For obvious reasons.

    artjomh, staying with thermonuclear warheads I heard from a FAS scientist in a conference (in Kensington Road) this week that countries like India and Pakistan will have to carry out several nuclear tests if they intend to develop thermonuclear devices like the P 5. Is that information correct?

    I was of the opinion that with the advent of Scalable supercomputer clustering,nuclear explosions can be Simulated down to the molecular level so no more tests are required even for designing thermonuclear weapons.

    Thanks again.
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    Re: Bulava SLBM Thread:

    Post  GarryB on Sat 21 Nov 2015, 10:55

    there are supercomputers that can make such calculations and programmes that can simulate the process accurately enough to not need actual tests but generally tests are required to be totally sure... and of course such computers and computer programmes are not handed out for free to anyone who wants one (though if they are... I want one)...

    It is not enough to have a powerful enough computer... you need the computer software with all the data and models and those models and data came from extensive testing of the real thing.
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    Re: Bulava SLBM Thread:

    Post  Austin on Sat 21 Nov 2015, 11:18

    max steel wrote: Apparently not very successfully - warheads of the first missile failed to reach their targets. Neutral pale



    One of the Bulava missiles missed its targets


    The flight of the first of the two Bulava missiles launched from Vladimir Monomakh submarine on November 14, 2015 did not hit its targets at the Kura test site. The source said that the warheads did reach "the Kamchatka region", but not the designated targets. This suggests that the miss was fairly large.

    MOD has not made any official confirmation or denial , lenta quotes some unnamed sources
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    Re: Bulava SLBM Thread:

    Post  max steel on Mon 23 Nov 2015, 22:53

    Media named the reasons of unsuccessful start-up "Bulava"



    Well Austin we got the reason now , Salvo launcher of strategic k-551 was damaged. Cool

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