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    Re: Bulava SLBM Development Thread:

    Post  Big_Gazza on Thu Sep 11, 2014 12:59 pm

    Mike E wrote:
    magnumcromagnon wrote:
    Mike E wrote:
    George1 wrote:i think the title of thread must change..
    For sure...

    I triple this notion, the name should change to "Bulava SLBM development thread".
    GarryB?

    My take was that the vid was just file footage from a previous Sineva launch, ie sloppy journalism. I've never seen any solids that run with a near smoke-less exhaust plume.

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    Re: Bulava SLBM Development Thread:

    Post  Mike E on Thu Sep 11, 2014 9:20 pm

    Big_Gazza wrote:
    Mike E wrote:
    magnumcromagnon wrote:
    Mike E wrote:
    George1 wrote:i think the title of thread must change..
    For sure...

    I triple this notion, the name should change to "Bulava SLBM development thread".
    GarryB?

    My take was that the vid was just file footage from a previous Sineva launch, ie sloppy journalism.  I've never seen any solids that run with a near smoke-less exhaust plume.
    Same here! It just doesn't look right compared to older Bulava launches, and becuase the missile is still relatively secretive... The only liquid-fuelled stage is the final stage, which was not shown in the video.

     - Thanks to whoever for changing the title.

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    Re: Bulava SLBM Development Thread:

    Post  Morpheus Eberhardt on Thu Sep 11, 2014 10:21 pm

    Mike E wrote:
    Big_Gazza wrote:
    Mike E wrote:
    magnumcromagnon wrote:
    Mike E wrote:
    George1 wrote:i think the title of thread must change..
    For sure...

    I triple this notion, the name should change to "Bulava SLBM development thread".
    GarryB?

    My take was that the vid was just file footage from a previous Sineva launch, ie sloppy journalism.  I've never seen any solids that run with a near smoke-less exhaust plume.
    Same here! It just doesn't look right compared to older Bulava launches, and becuase the missile is still relatively secretive... The only liquid-fuelled stage is the final stage, which was not shown in the video.

     - Thanks to whoever for changing the title.

    Bulava is all-solid. The liquid third stage myth was the work of RIA Novosti and the like; it probably referred to another missile type.

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    Re: Bulava SLBM Development Thread:

    Post  Mike E on Thu Sep 11, 2014 10:29 pm

    Thanks for correcting me.... Either way I still don't think the video launch was of a Bulava.

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    Post  Morpheus Eberhardt on Fri Sep 12, 2014 12:18 pm

    Mike E wrote:I still don't think the video launch was of a Bulava.

    I agree.

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    Re: Bulava SLBM Development Thread:

    Post  Mike E on Sat Sep 13, 2014 12:45 am

    Morpheus Eberhardt wrote:
    Mike E wrote:I still don't think the video launch was of a Bulava.

    I agree.
    Nice to know others have the same opinion... Very Happy

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    Re: Bulava SLBM Development Thread:

    Post  Morpheus Eberhardt on Sat Sep 13, 2014 3:30 am

    Mike E wrote:
    Morpheus Eberhardt wrote:
    Mike E wrote:I still don't think the video launch was of a Bulava.

    I agree.
    Nice to know others have the same opinion... Very Happy

    To elaborate upon this matter a bit further, I should add that Bulava is a stocky missile with a fineness ratio of 12.1/2 ≈ 6. The video clip shows a missile in the R-29RMU category with a much higher fineness ratio.

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    Re: Bulava SLBM Development Thread:

    Post  Mike E on Sat Sep 13, 2014 4:02 am

    Also agreed... Makes me wonder if there are any *real* videos of the launch.

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    Post  Morpheus Eberhardt on Sat Sep 13, 2014 8:11 am

    Mike E wrote:Also agreed... Makes me wonder if there are any *real* videos of the launch.

    Test launches are tracked in multiple spectrums, videoed, photographed, and telemetered, but very little of this ever gets publicized. For example, have you ever seen an R-9 ICBM launch video? I don't think I have. Actually for decades, outside of Russia, R-26 was mistaken for R-9. Even now, not many know about the entirely different concept of round-the-clock readiness, high-performance, cryogenic propellant system that R-9 ICBM utilized.

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    Re: Bulava SLBM Development Thread:

    Post  Mike E on Sat Sep 13, 2014 5:42 pm

    Morpheus Eberhardt wrote:
    Mike E wrote:Also agreed... Makes me wonder if there are any *real* videos of the launch.

    Test launches are tracked in multiple spectrums, videoed, photographed, and telemetered, but very little of this ever gets publicized. For example, have you ever seen an R-9 ICBM launch video? I don't think I have. Actually for decades, outside of Russia, R-26 was mistaken for R-9. Even now, not many know about the entirely different concept of round-the-clock readiness, high-performance, cryogenic propellant system that R-9 ICBM utilized.

    Still, one would think that Russia would show the real launch as a strategic video to scare off the US. Maybe they just don't care!

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    Re: Bulava SLBM Development Thread:

    Post  zg18 on Sun Sep 14, 2014 3:05 am

    Released photo of September 9th launch




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    Re: Bulava SLBM Development Thread:

    Post  Mike E on Sun Sep 14, 2014 5:54 am

    There we go! That definitely looks like a Bulava launch.

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    Re: Bulava SLBM Development Thread:

    Post  Vann7 on Mon Sep 15, 2014 5:48 am


    A bulava missile and a launcher submarine looks like a really cool present for CHristmas Very Happy


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    Re: Bulava SLBM Development Thread:

    Post  Mike E on Mon Sep 15, 2014 5:49 am

    Vann7 wrote:
    A bulava missile and a launcher submarine looks like a really cool present  for CHristmas Very Happy

    If you really want one, I can order one up!

    Any more pictures or videos on the launch?

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    Re: Bulava SLBM Development Thread:

    Post  coolieno99 on Mon Sep 15, 2014 8:51 am

    re-post from post # 51 from this thread
    close-up photo of test launch of Bulava that occurred couple years ago

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    Re: Bulava SLBM Development Thread:

    Post  Mike E on Mon Sep 15, 2014 8:58 am

    That one also looks solid-fuelled, so the other one must be correct.

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    Re: Bulava SLBM Development Thread:

    Post  Viktor on Mon Sep 15, 2014 6:14 pm

    Mike E wrote:That one also looks solid-fuelled, so the other one must be correct.

    Only Bulavas 3rd stage is liquid. First two are solid fueled.

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    Re: Bulava SLBM Development Thread:

    Post  Viktor on Mon Sep 15, 2014 6:24 pm

    I can remember only one event in the history of mankind of such magnitude ...... russia russia russia (and it was also done in Russia Very Happy )

    Source: "Yury Dolgoruky" will launch the "Bulava" with a complete set of such missiles on board


    "This is the first shooting" Mace "from submerged missile submarines of Project 955 (" Northwind "), having on board a full ammunition - 16 ICBM" Bulava "- said the source. - This will test how to behave in the ship after the shooting. Previously, all "Borei" went to sea to start the "Bulava", having on board only one missile, which was launched ".

    Russian Navy intends to fire all 16 SLBMs at from one shooting welcome Very Happy Very Happy

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    Re: Bulava SLBM Development Thread:

    Post  zg18 on Mon Sep 15, 2014 6:46 pm

    Viktor wrote:I can remember only one event in the history of mankind of such magnitude ......
    Russian Navy intends to fire all 16 SLBMs at from one shooting welcome Very Happy Very Happy

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Behemoth

    K-84 and K-407 fired all 16 R-29RM misiles in one salvo (1989 and 1991)

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    Re: Bulava SLBM Development Thread:

    Post  Viktor on Mon Sep 15, 2014 7:12 pm

    Yup, thats the one Very Happy

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    Re: Bulava SLBM Development Thread:

    Post  TheArmenian on Mon Sep 15, 2014 8:53 pm

    Hold your horses.
    I am not sure they are going to launch 16 missiles.

    I read and re-read the quoted article: It says it will launch a missile while having 16 on-board. Unlike previous launches that had only one missile loaded on board.

    It does not mean it will launch all the missiles.

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    Re: Bulava SLBM Development Thread:

    Post  Morpheus Eberhardt on Mon Sep 15, 2014 10:53 pm

    Viktor wrote:
    Mike E wrote:That one also looks solid-fuelled, so the other one must be correct.

    Only Bulavas 3rd stage is liquid. First two are solid fueled.

    Bulava doesn't have a liquid stage.

    As I have mentioned before, the story about a liquid third stage was a bit of journalism that had its origin in a confusion with another missile, probably with one of the Makeev's competitors with the MIT Bulava.

    Also, the liquid propellant 3rd stage in the other missile, just like the third stage in the R-29RM missile family, is not a conventional third stage; it is an unconventional stage that is combined with the PBV. This unconventional third stage, after jettisoning only its main engine, becomes the bus.

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    Re: Bulava SLBM Development Thread:

    Post  Mike E on Mon Sep 15, 2014 11:32 pm

    TheArmenian wrote:Hold your horses.
    I am not sure they are going to launch 16 missiles.

    I read and re-read the quoted article:  It says it will launch a missile while having 16 on-board. Unlike previous launches that had only one missile loaded on board.

    It does not mean it will launch all the missiles.
     I doubt that they would waste the money on 16 Bulavas like that, so you are most likely correct.

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    Re: Bulava SLBM Development Thread:

    Post  Mike E on Tue Sep 16, 2014 12:38 am

    Mike E wrote:
    TheArmenian wrote:Hold your horses.
    I am not sure they are going to launch 16 missiles.

    I read and re-read the quoted article:  It says it will launch a missile while having 16 on-board. Unlike previous launches that had only one missile loaded on board.

    It does not mean it will launch all the missiles.
     I doubt that they would waste the money on 16 Bulavas like that, so you are most likely correct.

    It turns out you are correct! It will be a launch with 16 missiles onboard.

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    Post  George1 on Wed Sep 17, 2014 2:20 pm

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