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    Re: Russian made Scopes and Optics

    Post  George1 on Mon Feb 02, 2015 11:33 am

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    Re: Russian made Scopes and Optics

    Post  George1 on Sat Feb 07, 2015 1:43 am

    “Schwabe” Developed Innovative Scheme for Holographic Sight

    The basis of the new optical system is the multifunctional holographic optical element – a special reflective holographic diffraction grating recorded on a concave spherical surface. It serves as the collimator and compensator of chromatic aberration for hologram generator of aiming mark.

    “The study of the layout of the holographic sight showed that innovative optical system “Schwabe” is competitive and not inferior in performance to all currently known Russian and foreign analogues. Unique technology will not only increase the reliability of the sight, but also reduce the weight by using fewer components, allowing the product to compare favorably against competitors. In addition, during the creation of holographic optical elements of the system we have been used exclusively domestic materials and technologies,” the Deputy General Director of JSC “Schwabe” R&D and innovation development Nikolai Rakovich said.

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    Re: Russian made Scopes and Optics

    Post  sepheronx on Wed Mar 11, 2015 10:43 pm

    "Schwabe" has launched a series of new sight

    Holding "Schwabe" belongs to the state corporation Rostec, launched into production collimator sight of open type, which can be mounted on shotguns, the press service of the company. РИА Новости http://ria.ru/economy/20150311/1051818330.html#ixzz3U7FMWAC7 wrote:

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    Re: Russian made Scopes and Optics

    Post  George1 on Sat Oct 10, 2015 1:39 pm

    Holographic Wonder: Russia Develops One of a Kind Gun Sight

    Engineers at a factory in northern Russia are developing a new generation of holographic weapon sights, which have no analogues in the world.

    Presenting the all-new Valdai PG-210 holographic weapon sight at a military expo held earlier this month in Kubinka, just outside Moscow, the Yupiter factory’s director, Nikolai Klimkin, described it as “a lightweight and easy-to-use day/night wide-angle scope.”

    The PG-210 holographic gun sight with binocular observation ensures an increased rate of fire at moving targets.

    “We are now working on one of a kind holographic gun sights with variable rangefinding reticles,” Klimkin emphasized.

    The new sight’s additional forte is its invisibility to existing means of optical detection.

    Designed expressly for use with the Kalashnikov assault rifles, the Valdai PG-210 holographic sight can also be easily installed on hunting, sportsman rifles and other non-military weapons.



    A holographic weapon sight is a non-magnifying gun sight that allows the user to look through a glass optical window and see a cross hair reticle image superimposed at a distance on the field of view.

    The hologram of the reticle is built into the window and is illuminated by a laser diode.

    Read more: http://sputniknews.com/russia/20151010/1028303846/russia-holographic-sight.html#ixzz3oAEO0JPD


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    Re: Russian made Scopes and Optics

    Post  KoTeMoRe on Sat Oct 10, 2015 2:18 pm

    sepheronx wrote:"Schwabe" has launched a series of new sight


    Direct competitor to BelOmo's PK05/06.

    George, the "Kretchet" is underwhelming. I don't know why they are polishing that turd.

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    Re: Russian made Scopes and Optics

    Post  magnumcromagnon on Sat Oct 10, 2015 6:29 pm

    KoTeMoRe wrote:
    sepheronx wrote:"Schwabe" has launched a series of new sight


    Direct competitor to BelOmo's PK05/06.

    George, the "Kretchet" is underwhelming. I don't know why they are polishing that turd.

    PLZ explain?

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    Re: Russian made Scopes and Optics

    Post  KoTeMoRe on Sat Oct 10, 2015 6:53 pm

    magnumcromagnon wrote:
    KoTeMoRe wrote:
    sepheronx wrote:"Schwabe" has launched a series of new sight


    Direct competitor to BelOmo's PK05/06.

    George, the "Kretchet" is underwhelming. I don't know why they are polishing that turd.

    PLZ explain?

    First sight is a direct competitor to BelOmo's PK 05/06.

    http://belomo.by/en/catalog/optical-and-optoelectronic-products/priceli_kollimatornie_dlya_strelkovogo_orujiya/pk_05w

    BelOmo is very good especially the 06 which is the "military" version. This is has better FoV.

    http://kalinkaoptics.com/rifle-scopes/red-dot/pilade-1x30-red-dot-weaver-screw-mount.html

    The PG-210 unofficially known as Krechet, had many issues in trials, especially with battery life and red dot clutter in the FoV. Ironically like the EoTech 512/517/552 which it looks like.

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    Re: Russian made Scopes and Optics

    Post  sepheronx on Sat Oct 10, 2015 6:59 pm

    Krechet is apparently went through updates I believe, hence why they are trying again with it.  Simply put, they don't want to purchase sights from Belarus anymore and of course foreign markets are out of the question.  So Schwab is the choice to be made.  Trials is for the purpose to see what issues come up and they will try to fix it.  I imagine it is a newer iteration of it and works much better hence why they are going for it.

    Edit: Just noticed that the PG-210 is not from Schwab and Schwab has their own line of products. So that may make sense why the Schwab one may be better.

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    Re: Russian made Scopes and Optics

    Post  KoTeMoRe on Sat Oct 10, 2015 7:15 pm

    sepheronx wrote:Krechet is apparently went through updates I believe, hence why they are trying again with it.  Simply put, they don't want to purchase sights from Belarus anymore and of course foreign markets are out of the question.  So Schwab is the choice to be made.  Trials is for the purpose to see what issues come up and they will try to fix it.  I imagine it is a newer iteration of it and works much better hence why they are going for it.

    Edit: Just noticed that the PG-210 is not from Schwab and Schwab has their own line of products.  So that may make sense why the Schwab one may be better.

    Well Schwabe (NPZ) is the current MO supplier with Obzor. And Obzor is 'wesome.

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    Re: Russian made Scopes and Optics

    Post  Werewolf on Sat Oct 10, 2015 7:55 pm

    KoTeMoRe wrote:
    sepheronx wrote:Krechet is apparently went through updates I believe, hence why they are trying again with it.  Simply put, they don't want to purchase sights from Belarus anymore and of course foreign markets are out of the question.  So Schwab is the choice to be made.  Trials is for the purpose to see what issues come up and they will try to fix it.  I imagine it is a newer iteration of it and works much better hence why they are going for it.

    Edit: Just noticed that the PG-210 is not from Schwab and Schwab has their own line of products.  So that may make sense why the Schwab one may be better.

    Well Schwabe (NPZ) is the current MO supplier with Obzor. And Obzor is  'wesome.

    Can you link that?

    Not really uptodate on that kind of stuff.

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    Re: Russian made Scopes and Optics

    Post  KoTeMoRe on Sat Oct 10, 2015 10:55 pm

    Werewolf wrote:
    KoTeMoRe wrote:
    sepheronx wrote:Krechet is apparently went through updates I believe, hence why they are trying again with it.  Simply put, they don't want to purchase sights from Belarus anymore and of course foreign markets are out of the question.  So Schwab is the choice to be made.  Trials is for the purpose to see what issues come up and they will try to fix it.  I imagine it is a newer iteration of it and works much better hence why they are going for it.

    Edit: Just noticed that the PG-210 is not from Schwab and Schwab has their own line of products.  So that may make sense why the Schwab one may be better.

    Well Schwabe (NPZ) is the current MO supplier with Obzor. And Obzor is  'wesome.

    Can you link that?

    Not really uptodate on that kind of stuff.

    Which part? Krechet? Obzor?

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    BTW full article for you on the 1P63. Just remember this sight can be bought for 200 bucks. The nearest competition from Belomo is at around 200 as well, the first choice in Western variant is a 500 USD. You can have a full system for that.

    http://russianoptics.net/Obzor.html

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    Re: Russian made Scopes and Optics

    Post  Werewolf on Sun Oct 11, 2015 12:13 am

    Yes, i meant the Obzor. Looks very good and cheap.

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    Re: Russian made Scopes and Optics

    Post  KoTeMoRe on Sun Oct 11, 2015 12:28 am

    Werewolf wrote:Yes, i meant the Obzor. Looks very good and cheap.

    That thing is amazing. I've seen it used on a range, tough as nails, sharp, no battery, no BS, it only needs to be sold on M193 rail version. But there's more to come.
    PK1-E was hinted last year, but never came to fruition.

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    Re: Russian made Scopes and Optics

    Post  Cyrus the great on Tue Oct 13, 2015 12:26 pm





    If the Russians don't already have a similar system, I hope they develop one.

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    Re: Russian made Scopes and Optics

    Post  KoTeMoRe on Tue Oct 13, 2015 12:37 pm

    Cyrus the great wrote:



    If the Russians don't already have a similar system, I hope they develop one.

    Cool for the camera, costly for war. It's a second pair of batteries (1in/1spare) redundant capabilities that can be dealt with with passive mangnifiers. And more complex ship in/out logistics. The moment we're talking contraptions, like these, the best way is to have them totally passsive and idiot friendly. Like actual x2/3/4 magnifiers both on red dots and optics.

    Russians have gone the way the Elcan Spectre. With the NPZ PSU 1/4.

    Best for SF.

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    Re: Russian made Scopes and Optics

    Post  par far on Sun Oct 25, 2015 3:22 am

    Militarov wrote:

    https://youtu.be/yfSg_lSGxvk?t=2m11s

    Seems like we again spotted AWM in Syria 2:11 sec, this time even more curious it looks its equiped with BORS Barrett integrated ballistics computer.



    https://barrett.net/optics/bors


    Does Russia have something like that?

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    Re: Russian made Scopes and Optics

    Post  NationalRus on Sun Oct 25, 2015 3:31 am

    par far wrote:
    Militarov wrote:

    https://youtu.be/yfSg_lSGxvk?t=2m11s

    Seems like we again spotted AWM in Syria 2:11 sec, this time even more curious it looks its equiped with BORS Barrett integrated ballistics computer.



    https://barrett.net/optics/bors


    Does Russia have something like that?

    not really i redead somewere our specops also use BORS i think it was SBP and COBR

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    Re: Russian made Scopes and Optics

    Post  AlfaT8 on Sun Oct 25, 2015 3:31 am

    par far wrote:
    Militarov wrote:

    https://youtu.be/yfSg_lSGxvk?t=2m11s

    Seems like we again spotted AWM in Syria 2:11 sec, this time even more curious it looks its equiped with BORS Barrett integrated ballistics computer.



    https://barrett.net/optics/bors


    Does Russia have something like that?

    Yes Twisted Evil


    http://inwetech.ru/en

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    Re: Russian made Scopes and Optics

    Post  NationalRus on Sun Oct 25, 2015 3:38 am

    AlfaT8 wrote:
    par far wrote:
    Militarov wrote:

    https://youtu.be/yfSg_lSGxvk?t=2m11s

    Seems like we again spotted AWM in Syria 2:11 sec, this time even more curious it looks its equiped with BORS Barrett integrated ballistics computer.



    https://barrett.net/optics/bors


    Does Russia have something like that?

    Yes Twisted Evil


    no


    its still in development and no official use by MOD yet also, and its also a completly OTHER scope then BORS, you are comparing apples to oranges here

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    Russian made Scopes and Optics

    Post  AlfaT8 on Sun Oct 25, 2015 4:02 am

    NationalRus wrote:
    AlfaT8 wrote:
    par far wrote:
    Militarov wrote:

    https://youtu.be/yfSg_lSGxvk?t=2m11s

    Seems like we again spotted AWM in Syria 2:11 sec, this time even more curious it looks its equiped with BORS Barrett integrated ballistics computer.



    https://barrett.net/optics/bors


    Does Russia have something like that?

    Yes Twisted Evil


    no


    its still in development and no official use by MOD yet also, and its also a completly OTHER scope then BORS, you are comparing apples to oranges here

    The question wasn't whether MoD was using it or not, it was if Russia had "something" like it and the answer is Yes.

    As for development, as far as i can see it's done and ready to go, especially since they followed up with the LF640 PRO and are now working on the LF640 PRO-2, if anything the MK2 is last years model.

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    Re: Russian made Scopes and Optics

    Post  KoTeMoRe on Sun Oct 25, 2015 5:01 am

    NationalRus wrote:
    AlfaT8 wrote:
    par far wrote:
    Militarov wrote:

    https://youtu.be/yfSg_lSGxvk?t=2m11s

    Seems like we again spotted AWM in Syria 2:11 sec, this time even more curious it looks its equiped with BORS Barrett integrated ballistics computer.



    https://barrett.net/optics/bors


    Does Russia have something like that?

    Yes Twisted Evil


    no


    its still in development and no official use by MOD yet also, and its also a completly OTHER scope then BORS, you are comparing apples to oranges here

    Actually those aren't apples and oranges. They're two products that do the same thing, the problem with the BORS is that the whole input you'd do with a ballistic calculator is unchanged and you do have to actually punch numbers preprogrammed. While with the IWT, you do not, because the GPS and telemeter are actually automated and integrated. Basically is the TrackingPoint Accufire/Xact scope with auto tracker and Thermal Vision. The BORS is a day sight and it needs a very complex mental suite to be useful, you have to actually do point match prior to enter the target size value, for which you first need to point match distance and then let the weather station (very crude) determine part of the hold (that you will need then to actually screw on the optic). But before you do that...you need to zero the ammo and scope. Nothing strange with it, until you need to re-zero between shots, because the tilt sensor bust a nut. And even BORS 2.0 can't compensate the windage.

    So basically the BORS is an intermediate system from Manual calculation to Fully automated targeting.




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    Re: Russian made Scopes and Optics

    Post  NationalRus on Sun Oct 25, 2015 6:53 pm

    KoTeMoRe wrote:
    NationalRus wrote:
    AlfaT8 wrote:
    par far wrote:
    Militarov wrote:

    https://youtu.be/yfSg_lSGxvk?t=2m11s

    Seems like we again spotted AWM in Syria 2:11 sec, this time even more curious it looks its equiped with BORS Barrett integrated ballistics computer.



    https://barrett.net/optics/bors


    Does Russia have something like that?

    Yes Twisted Evil


    no


    its still in development and no official use by MOD yet also, and its also a completly OTHER scope then BORS, you are comparing apples to oranges here

    Actually those aren't apples and oranges. They're two products that do the same thing, the problem with the BORS is that the whole input you'd do with a ballistic calculator is unchanged and you do have to actually punch numbers preprogrammed. While with the IWT, you do not, because the GPS and telemeter are actually automated and integrated. Basically is the TrackingPoint Accufire/Xact scope with auto tracker and Thermal Vision. The BORS is a day sight and it needs a very complex mental suite to be useful, you have to actually do point match prior to enter the target size value, for which you first need to point match distance and then let the weather station (very crude) determine part of the hold (that you will need then to actually screw on the optic). But before you do that...you need to zero the ammo and scope. Nothing strange with it, until you need to re-zero between shots, because the tilt sensor bust a nut. And even BORS 2.0 can't compensate the windage.

    So basically the BORS is an intermediate system from Manual calculation to Fully automated targeting.


    by compering apples to oranges i mean you compare 8 year old not weapon but "technology" with a product that is only about to go in to production, overall of course BORS is worse in everything compared to this new candy sugar apple pie

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    Re: Russian made Scopes and Optics

    Post  KoTeMoRe on Sun Oct 25, 2015 7:09 pm

    NationalRus wrote:
    KoTeMoRe wrote:
    NationalRus wrote:
    AlfaT8 wrote:
    par far wrote:
    Militarov wrote:

    https://youtu.be/yfSg_lSGxvk?t=2m11s

    Seems like we again spotted AWM in Syria 2:11 sec, this time even more curious it looks its equiped with BORS Barrett integrated ballistics computer.



    https://barrett.net/optics/bors


    Does Russia have something like that?

    Yes Twisted Evil


    no


    its still in development and no official use by MOD yet also, and its also a completly OTHER scope then BORS, you are comparing apples to oranges here

    Actually those aren't apples and oranges. They're two products that do the same thing, the problem with the BORS is that the whole input you'd do with a ballistic calculator is unchanged and you do have to actually punch numbers preprogrammed. While with the IWT, you do not, because the GPS and telemeter are actually automated and integrated. Basically is the TrackingPoint Accufire/Xact scope with auto tracker and Thermal Vision. The BORS is a day sight and it needs a very complex mental suite to be useful, you have to actually do point match prior to enter the target size value, for which you first need to point match distance and then let the weather station (very crude) determine part of the hold (that you will need then to actually screw on the optic). But before you do that...you need to zero the ammo and scope. Nothing strange with it, until you need to re-zero between shots, because the tilt sensor bust a nut. And even BORS 2.0 can't compensate the windage.

    So basically the BORS is an intermediate system from Manual calculation to Fully automated targeting.


    by compering apples to oranges i mean you compare 8 year old not weapon but "technology" with a product that is only about to go in to production, overall of course BORS is worse in everything compared to this new candy sugar apple pie

    I agree that they're not on the same level, although they're supposed to "do" the same thing.

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    Re: Russian made Scopes and Optics

    Post  AlfaT8 on Sun Oct 25, 2015 8:19 pm

    NationalRus wrote:
    KoTeMoRe wrote:
    NationalRus wrote:
    AlfaT8 wrote:
    par far wrote:
    Militarov wrote:

    https://youtu.be/yfSg_lSGxvk?t=2m11s

    Seems like we again spotted AWM in Syria 2:11 sec, this time even more curious it looks its equiped with BORS Barrett integrated ballistics computer.



    https://barrett.net/optics/bors


    Does Russia have something like that?

    Yes Twisted Evil


    no


    its still in development and no official use by MOD yet also, and its also a completly OTHER scope then BORS, you are comparing apples to oranges here

    Actually those aren't apples and oranges. They're two products that do the same thing, the problem with the BORS is that the whole input you'd do with a ballistic calculator is unchanged and you do have to actually punch numbers preprogrammed. While with the IWT, you do not, because the GPS and telemeter are actually automated and integrated. Basically is the TrackingPoint Accufire/Xact scope with auto tracker and Thermal Vision. The BORS is a day sight and it needs a very complex mental suite to be useful, you have to actually do point match prior to enter the target size value, for which you first need to point match distance and then let the weather station (very crude) determine part of the hold (that you will need then to actually screw on the optic). But before you do that...you need to zero the ammo and scope. Nothing strange with it, until you need to re-zero between shots, because the tilt sensor bust a nut. And even BORS 2.0 can't compensate the windage.

    So basically the BORS is an intermediate system from Manual calculation to Fully automated targeting.


    by compering apples to oranges i mean you compare 8 year old not weapon but "technology" with a product that is only about to go in to production, overall of course BORS is worse in everything compared to this new candy sugar apple pie

    Ooh, that's what you meant, then yes they are indeed apples and oranges, although the answer is still Yes to "par far".

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    Re: Russian made Scopes and Optics

    Post  GarryB on Mon Oct 26, 2015 5:54 am

    The question was does Russia have something like BORs, the answer is yes they did, and now they have something rather better.

    In fact the aiming stadia on their PSO-1 scopes and its ability to detect active IR sources was a huge leap forward in scope design that the west rarely acknowledges.


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