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How long do we give it before turkey is thrown out of nato at this rate?
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Turkey relations with US and NATO
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Turkey wont get thrown out of NATO... it will never get into the EU but its location is just too useful for the west to cross it off the list of potential military base real estate locations.
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GarryB wrote:Turkey wont get thrown out of NATO... it will never get into the EU but its location is just too useful for the west to cross it off the list of potential military base real estate locations.
In some ways that could be a good thing, i fear as soon as turkey is thrown out it will just radicalise even more and turn on the west and we would end up with another terrorist failed state at the gates of europe.
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NATO understands that Turkey creates risks for entire alliance - Russian NATO envoy
"I think the NATO countries are aware that Turkey is dragging them into a dangerous game", said Russia’s Permanent Representative at NATO
MOSCOW, November 27. /TASS/. NATO fully understands that Turkey’s downing of a Russian bomber creates risks to the entire North Atlantic Alliance, Russia’s Permanent Representative at NATO Alexander Grushko said on Friday.
"I think the NATO countries are aware that Turkey is dragging them into a dangerous game by this criminal action, since this ally (Turkey) is bound with all the 20 NATO member states by very serious security liabilities both in the military and in the political spheres, and the key article - article five - creates a threat of a risk to the alliance," he said in an interview with the Kommersant FM radio station.
He said the situation was very serious. The last attack by a NATO country on Russian and Soviet aircraft took place in the early 1950s. "Quite naturally, in his statement Stoltenberg called for calmness and said this situation should be settled by Moscow and Ankara," Grushko said. "It proves that NATO, as an organization, is seeking to maximally dissociate itself from this incident".
"I think the NATO countries are aware that Turkey is dragging them into a dangerous game", said Russia’s Permanent Representative at NATO
MOSCOW, November 27. /TASS/. NATO fully understands that Turkey’s downing of a Russian bomber creates risks to the entire North Atlantic Alliance, Russia’s Permanent Representative at NATO Alexander Grushko said on Friday.
"I think the NATO countries are aware that Turkey is dragging them into a dangerous game by this criminal action, since this ally (Turkey) is bound with all the 20 NATO member states by very serious security liabilities both in the military and in the political spheres, and the key article - article five - creates a threat of a risk to the alliance," he said in an interview with the Kommersant FM radio station.
He said the situation was very serious. The last attack by a NATO country on Russian and Soviet aircraft took place in the early 1950s. "Quite naturally, in his statement Stoltenberg called for calmness and said this situation should be settled by Moscow and Ankara," Grushko said. "It proves that NATO, as an organization, is seeking to maximally dissociate itself from this incident".
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Ankara Summons US Ambassador Over Washington’s Stance on Kurds
The United States has publicly expressed its belief that the Kurdish Democratic Union Party (PYD) is not a terrorist group, and Turkey is not happy about it.
Turkish President Recep Tayyip Erdogan has long considered the Kurdish PYD to be a terrorist group, one that threatens the stability of his administration. As a member of NATO, Ankara expects its allies to agree.
But on Monday, US State Department spokesman John Kirby indicated that Washington and Ankara may not see eye-to-eye on the subject.
"We do not recognize the PYD as a terrorist organization. We recognize Turks do," Kirby told reporters, while maintaining that the US and Turkey are "good friends."
In response to Kirby’s comments, the Turkish Foreign Ministry summoned US Ambassador to Turkey John Bass. According to an official, speaking to the Associated Press on condition of anonymity, the conversation was meant to "convey unease" from Ankara about Washington’s position.
On Tuesday, Kirby confirmed that the meeting between the ambassador and Turkish official did take place. Kirby also confirmed that the United States has not changed its views on the PYD.
The incident comes amid Turkey’s repeated attempts to keep Kurdish groups out of the Syrian peace talks. Both the United States and Russia have called the PYD one of the most effective ground forces fighting Daesh, also known as IS/Islamic State, in Syria.
"We mean Kurds, of course, without whom there is no point to hope for any progress or decisions being made. We believe that the Kurds must participate," Russian Deputy Foreign Minister Gennady Gatilov told RIA Novosti last month, stressing Moscow’s stance on the PYD’s involvement in Syrian peace talks.
Turkey has repeatedly rebuffed attempts to include the PYD, deliberately stalling the Syrian peace talks.
"Turkey will be supporting any initiative for a political solution in Syria, except the only criteria we want is that the moderate opposition should be represented by their own will and initiative," Turkish Prime Minister Ahmet Davutoglu said during the World Economic Forum in Davos.
"There should not be any representation of terrorist groups around the table."
Read more: http://sputniknews.com/us/20160209/1034480243/turkey-summons-us-ambassador.html#ixzz3zk40a8Qn
The United States has publicly expressed its belief that the Kurdish Democratic Union Party (PYD) is not a terrorist group, and Turkey is not happy about it.
Turkish President Recep Tayyip Erdogan has long considered the Kurdish PYD to be a terrorist group, one that threatens the stability of his administration. As a member of NATO, Ankara expects its allies to agree.
But on Monday, US State Department spokesman John Kirby indicated that Washington and Ankara may not see eye-to-eye on the subject.
"We do not recognize the PYD as a terrorist organization. We recognize Turks do," Kirby told reporters, while maintaining that the US and Turkey are "good friends."
In response to Kirby’s comments, the Turkish Foreign Ministry summoned US Ambassador to Turkey John Bass. According to an official, speaking to the Associated Press on condition of anonymity, the conversation was meant to "convey unease" from Ankara about Washington’s position.
On Tuesday, Kirby confirmed that the meeting between the ambassador and Turkish official did take place. Kirby also confirmed that the United States has not changed its views on the PYD.
The incident comes amid Turkey’s repeated attempts to keep Kurdish groups out of the Syrian peace talks. Both the United States and Russia have called the PYD one of the most effective ground forces fighting Daesh, also known as IS/Islamic State, in Syria.
"We mean Kurds, of course, without whom there is no point to hope for any progress or decisions being made. We believe that the Kurds must participate," Russian Deputy Foreign Minister Gennady Gatilov told RIA Novosti last month, stressing Moscow’s stance on the PYD’s involvement in Syrian peace talks.
Turkey has repeatedly rebuffed attempts to include the PYD, deliberately stalling the Syrian peace talks.
"Turkey will be supporting any initiative for a political solution in Syria, except the only criteria we want is that the moderate opposition should be represented by their own will and initiative," Turkish Prime Minister Ahmet Davutoglu said during the World Economic Forum in Davos.
"There should not be any representation of terrorist groups around the table."
Read more: http://sputniknews.com/us/20160209/1034480243/turkey-summons-us-ambassador.html#ixzz3zk40a8Qn
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NATO Warns Turkey It Won’t Support Ankara in Conflict With Russia
As tensions escalate between Turkey and Russia, NATO has warned Ankara that it will not take part in a war provoked by the Turkish government.
Last November, Turkey shot down a Russian jet flying through Syrian airspace. While many feared that the incident would plunge both countries into war, conflict was avoided, though relations between Moscow and Ankara have remained chilly.
As Turkey pushes to deploy ground forces across its border to remove the legitimate government of Syrian President Bashar al-Assad, the Turkish government is, again, threatening the world with war.
"The armed forces of the two states are both active in fierce fighting on the Turkish-Syrian border, in some cases just a few kilometers from each other," one NATO official told Der Spiegel.
Ankara’s aggression seems partially based on the assumption that, should conflict erupt, Turkey will be supported by its NATO allies. According to Article 5 of the NATO treaty, the collective defense clause would be invoked if any member state is attacked.
In this photo taken from the Turkish side of the border between Turkey and Syria, in Akcakale, southeastern Turkey, a Turkish soldier on an armoured personnel carrier watches as in the background a flag of the Kurdish People's Protection Units, or YPG, is raised over the city of Tal Abyad, Syria, Tuesday, June 16, 2015
© AP Photo/ Lefteris Pitarakis
Whatever It Takes: Turkey Seeking Any Excuse to Invade Syria
But European leaders have made it abundantly clear that they have no interest in participating in a war of Turkey’s making.
"NATO cannot allow itself to be pulled into a military escalation with Russia as a result of the recent tensions between Russia and Turkey," Luxembourg Foreign Minister Jean Asselborn told Der Spiegel.
Of Article 5, Asselborn stressed that "the guarantee is only valid when a member state is clearly attacked."
Germany appears to agree.
"We are not going to pay the price for a war started by the Turks," said a German diplomat, speaking on condition of anonymity.
NATO leadership made similar warnings soon after Turkey’s downing of the Russian bomber last year.
"We have to avoid that situations, incidents, accidents spiral out of control," NATO General Secretary Jens Stoltenberg said at the time. "I think I’ve expressed very clearly that we are calling for calm and de-escalation. This is a serious situation."
On Friday, French President Francois Hollande stressed the need to prevent conflict between Moscow and Ankara.
"There is a risk of war between Turkey and Russia," he said in an interview with France Inter radio.
As Turkey calls to escalate the violence in Syria, Russia has called for a meeting of the United Nations Security Council to address its concerns over the rising tensions.
"The situation is becoming more tense due to increased tensions on the Syrian-Turkish border and Turkey’s stated plans to send troops to northern Syria," reads a statement from the Russian Foreign Ministry.
Read more: http://sputniknews.com/world/20160220/1035066264/NATO-turkey-russia-syria.html#ixzz40epxrU6b
As tensions escalate between Turkey and Russia, NATO has warned Ankara that it will not take part in a war provoked by the Turkish government.
Last November, Turkey shot down a Russian jet flying through Syrian airspace. While many feared that the incident would plunge both countries into war, conflict was avoided, though relations between Moscow and Ankara have remained chilly.
As Turkey pushes to deploy ground forces across its border to remove the legitimate government of Syrian President Bashar al-Assad, the Turkish government is, again, threatening the world with war.
"The armed forces of the two states are both active in fierce fighting on the Turkish-Syrian border, in some cases just a few kilometers from each other," one NATO official told Der Spiegel.
Ankara’s aggression seems partially based on the assumption that, should conflict erupt, Turkey will be supported by its NATO allies. According to Article 5 of the NATO treaty, the collective defense clause would be invoked if any member state is attacked.
In this photo taken from the Turkish side of the border between Turkey and Syria, in Akcakale, southeastern Turkey, a Turkish soldier on an armoured personnel carrier watches as in the background a flag of the Kurdish People's Protection Units, or YPG, is raised over the city of Tal Abyad, Syria, Tuesday, June 16, 2015
© AP Photo/ Lefteris Pitarakis
Whatever It Takes: Turkey Seeking Any Excuse to Invade Syria
But European leaders have made it abundantly clear that they have no interest in participating in a war of Turkey’s making.
"NATO cannot allow itself to be pulled into a military escalation with Russia as a result of the recent tensions between Russia and Turkey," Luxembourg Foreign Minister Jean Asselborn told Der Spiegel.
Of Article 5, Asselborn stressed that "the guarantee is only valid when a member state is clearly attacked."
Germany appears to agree.
"We are not going to pay the price for a war started by the Turks," said a German diplomat, speaking on condition of anonymity.
NATO leadership made similar warnings soon after Turkey’s downing of the Russian bomber last year.
"We have to avoid that situations, incidents, accidents spiral out of control," NATO General Secretary Jens Stoltenberg said at the time. "I think I’ve expressed very clearly that we are calling for calm and de-escalation. This is a serious situation."
On Friday, French President Francois Hollande stressed the need to prevent conflict between Moscow and Ankara.
"There is a risk of war between Turkey and Russia," he said in an interview with France Inter radio.
As Turkey calls to escalate the violence in Syria, Russia has called for a meeting of the United Nations Security Council to address its concerns over the rising tensions.
"The situation is becoming more tense due to increased tensions on the Syrian-Turkish border and Turkey’s stated plans to send troops to northern Syria," reads a statement from the Russian Foreign Ministry.
Read more: http://sputniknews.com/world/20160220/1035066264/NATO-turkey-russia-syria.html#ixzz40epxrU6b
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Sounds like a presidential 'reverse of decision' could be on the way.
"Turkey's appeals court has overturned coup plot convictions imposed in 2013 on a retired military chief and scores of senior figures in a case then regarded as clipping the wings of the secularist and military establishment, state media said on Thursday.
In August 2013, ex-military chief General Ilker Basbug was sentenced to life in jail for his role in the "Ergenekon" plot to overthrow then-Prime Minister Tayyip Erdogan's Islamist-rooted government.
Politicians, lawyers and journalists were also among 275 defendants in the case, which emerged in 2007 when an arms cache was discovered in a house in an Istanbul suburb.
It was at the time championed by Erdogan and his supporters as a battle against anti-democratic forces and to tame a military that had seen itself as the guardian of secularism, carrying out three coups and forcing a fourth, Islamist-led government from power in the second half of the 20th century.
In Thursday's ruling, the appeals court said there had been no "Ergenekon terror group", and that evidence had been collected illegally, the state-run Anadolu Agency reported."
http://www.reuters.com/article/us-turkey-coup-trial-idUSKCN0XI1WS
"Turkey's appeals court has overturned coup plot convictions imposed in 2013 on a retired military chief and scores of senior figures in a case then regarded as clipping the wings of the secularist and military establishment, state media said on Thursday.
In August 2013, ex-military chief General Ilker Basbug was sentenced to life in jail for his role in the "Ergenekon" plot to overthrow then-Prime Minister Tayyip Erdogan's Islamist-rooted government.
Politicians, lawyers and journalists were also among 275 defendants in the case, which emerged in 2007 when an arms cache was discovered in a house in an Istanbul suburb.
It was at the time championed by Erdogan and his supporters as a battle against anti-democratic forces and to tame a military that had seen itself as the guardian of secularism, carrying out three coups and forcing a fourth, Islamist-led government from power in the second half of the 20th century.
In Thursday's ruling, the appeals court said there had been no "Ergenekon terror group", and that evidence had been collected illegally, the state-run Anadolu Agency reported."
http://www.reuters.com/article/us-turkey-coup-trial-idUSKCN0XI1WS
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JohninMK wrote:Sounds like a presidential 'reverse of decision' could be on the way.
"Turkey's appeals court has overturned coup plot convictions imposed in 2013 on a retired military chief and scores of senior figures in a case then regarded as clipping the wings of the secularist and military establishment, state media said on Thursday.
In August 2013, ex-military chief General Ilker Basbug was sentenced to life in jail for his role in the "Ergenekon" plot to overthrow then-Prime Minister Tayyip Erdogan's Islamist-rooted government.
Politicians, lawyers and journalists were also among 275 defendants in the case, which emerged in 2007 when an arms cache was discovered in a house in an Istanbul suburb.
It was at the time championed by Erdogan and his supporters as a battle against anti-democratic forces and to tame a military that had seen itself as the guardian of secularism, carrying out three coups and forcing a fourth, Islamist-led government from power in the second half of the 20th century.
In Thursday's ruling, the appeals court said there had been no "Ergenekon terror group", and that evidence had been collected illegally, the state-run Anadolu Agency reported."
http://www.reuters.com/article/us-turkey-coup-trial-idUSKCN0XI1WS
This is only the last remnants of the Turkish state along with non AKP islamists fucking up with Erdogan. Don't forget there was another Islamist movement before the AKP, backwards, yes, hard on the kool-aid, yes, but understanding firmly what Turkey was about. A kind of "lesser evil".
Also by defiling the original decision and underlining the illegal nature of evidence, the court has opened a pandora box. Because now a lot of elements that were testament of the Erdogan family corruption can be overturned with the same argument. Especially because they were leaks from Military Intelligence.
Anyway, let's hope it sticks although, it's Turkey, Wonderland...
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kemalists and islamists are the same fascist-chauvinists for me
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George1 wrote:kemalists and islamists are the same fascist-chauvinists for me
Why doesn't that suprise me one bit
? Yes Military Dictatorship or Islamist Autocracy the end result is kif-kif.
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Italy deploys advanced air defense system SAMP-T in Turkey against DAESH
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max steel wrote:Italy deploys advanced air defense system SAMP-T in Turkey against DAESH
daesh has air force??
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I would never expect to say this but I hope Erdogan to survive this coup and Russia to play a role in his survival. This is critical now American lose traction in their puppets with accelerating pace. They had to finish Erdogan before he could turn them his back but he is experienced and he may pull this over.
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Hannibal Barca wrote:I would never expect to say this but I hope Erdogan to survive this coup and Russia to play a role in his survival. This is critical now American lose traction in their puppets with accelerating pace. They had to finish Erdogan before he could turn them his back but he is experienced and he may pull this over.
turn his back on what exactly ? if anything they are desperately trying to have US support as EU has quite literaly abandoned the idea of ever having them in the EU. LoL not in a lifetime. Georgia volunteering to become a Russian vassal is more likely than Turkey suddenly switching it's entire policy and idelogy like that just because of a coup, no matter if successful or not. We do not yet know what exactly has caused this "sudden" ( from our POV ) event. But I haven't heard anything positive about Erdogan's rule in quite a long time.
From what I see and hear there's been shots fired and soldiers seem to be everywhere on TV, at least according to fellow students in Istanbul.
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Mayor of Ankara: Pilot who shot down Russian plane last year participated in coup attempt
Saturday, July 16, 2016 8:56:18 AM
According to the Mayor of Ankara, Melih Gökçek, one of the participants of the coup attempt in Turkey was the pilot of the F-16 fighter that shot down a Russian Su-24 frontline bomber over the Turkish-Syrian border in November of last year, RBC reported.
While many of the details of Friday night’s coup attempt in Turkey remain unclear, Turkish President Recep Tayyip Erdoğan has insinuated that Fethullah Gulen, a powerful US-based Muslim cleric, is behind the coup attempt.
At least 161 people were killed and more than 1,400 injured as a result of what Turkish Prime Minister Binali Yildirim called a "black stain on Turkish democracy".
Turkish authorities stated that 2,839 soldiers, including high-ranking officers, have been arrested.
Reports suggest that F-16 fighter jets were active in the coup attempt, and may have even dropped bombs on Ankara.
The Russian Su-24 was shot down by a Turkish F-16 over the Turkish-Syrian border in November of last year. The incident led to a deterioration of relations between Ankara and Moscow. Recently, however, Erdoğan issued an apology to Russian President Vladimir Putin, which has led to an improvement in relations between the two countries.
http://uawire.org/news/mayor-of-ankara-pilot-who-shot-down-russian-plane-last-year-participated-in-coup-attempt?
Saturday, July 16, 2016 8:56:18 AM
According to the Mayor of Ankara, Melih Gökçek, one of the participants of the coup attempt in Turkey was the pilot of the F-16 fighter that shot down a Russian Su-24 frontline bomber over the Turkish-Syrian border in November of last year, RBC reported.
While many of the details of Friday night’s coup attempt in Turkey remain unclear, Turkish President Recep Tayyip Erdoğan has insinuated that Fethullah Gulen, a powerful US-based Muslim cleric, is behind the coup attempt.
At least 161 people were killed and more than 1,400 injured as a result of what Turkish Prime Minister Binali Yildirim called a "black stain on Turkish democracy".
Turkish authorities stated that 2,839 soldiers, including high-ranking officers, have been arrested.
Reports suggest that F-16 fighter jets were active in the coup attempt, and may have even dropped bombs on Ankara.
The Russian Su-24 was shot down by a Turkish F-16 over the Turkish-Syrian border in November of last year. The incident led to a deterioration of relations between Ankara and Moscow. Recently, however, Erdoğan issued an apology to Russian President Vladimir Putin, which has led to an improvement in relations between the two countries.
http://uawire.org/news/mayor-of-ankara-pilot-who-shot-down-russian-plane-last-year-participated-in-coup-attempt?
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The Ottoman wrote:Mayor of Ankara: Pilot who shot down Russian plane last year participated in coup attempt
What a twist.
What's wild about this whole event, is that Erdogan's government's accusations were/are pointed at the United States, even though he could have easily blamed the other side. Turkey's prime minister stated "Fethula Gulen is in the USA. Any state that protects Gulen will be considered as hostile to Turkey", and now Incirlik AFB has been blocked, and its power has been cut. Erdogan might be going rogue, which could explain his desperate rapprochement with Russia, he's trying to open up some more options.
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Turkey says US is 'no friend' for harboring 'coup planner' Gulen
Published time: 16 Jul, 2016 14:21
Edited time: 16 Jul, 2016 20:41
The Turkish government has indirectly criticized its NATO ally, the US, for providing a safe haven for Fethullah Gülen, whom Ankara blames for masterminding Friday’s military coup attempt. The cleric is currently living in self-imposed exile in the States.
“I do not see any country that would stand behind this man, this leader of the terrorist gang, especially after last night. The country that would stand behind this man is no friend to Turkey. It would even be a hostile act against Turkey,” Prime Minister Binali Yıldırım told reporters on Saturday, as Turkey was recovering from overnight violence.
https://www.rt.com/news/351611-turkey-us-friend-coup/
Published time: 16 Jul, 2016 14:21
Edited time: 16 Jul, 2016 20:41
The Turkish government has indirectly criticized its NATO ally, the US, for providing a safe haven for Fethullah Gülen, whom Ankara blames for masterminding Friday’s military coup attempt. The cleric is currently living in self-imposed exile in the States.
“I do not see any country that would stand behind this man, this leader of the terrorist gang, especially after last night. The country that would stand behind this man is no friend to Turkey. It would even be a hostile act against Turkey,” Prime Minister Binali Yıldırım told reporters on Saturday, as Turkey was recovering from overnight violence.
https://www.rt.com/news/351611-turkey-us-friend-coup/
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lol what a load.
It's becoming more and more apparent that it was all staged. Literaly all Turks I have contact to state the soldiers on the streets had either no idea why they were ordered into the city or said it was exercises. I like how people take the fact that everyone surrendered in a matter of hours for granted. Maybe because they realised what was actualy going on and defused the charade
The recent events are also a testimony to it. This was long planned to purge Erdogan's enemies from all important civil institutions, military and the very police force that disarmed the "coup" participants. Such purge lists like that judge affair don't simply pop up out of nowhere the second day a supposed coup d'etat has failed like c'mon who are you taking for retarded. Erdogan was planning to do this for a very long time evidently and considering how much lives were lost, this was a very calculating and ruthless manouver for which mostly the military is paying now. For having followed gov orders. Ofc other people, left and right will be blamed to have "masterminded" that coup. All events that serve the regime will be executed now without restrains.
Gulen, that old man they keep accusing and desperately trying to get extradicted for years, also sending him death threats. - they keep accusing that guy for literaly everything they see fitting since I know lol I take his word for granted 100 times more than Erdogan and he was never for any violent solutions, less a military coup while having his reservations against Turkey's current regime. Why would you suddenly swallow what murderous Erdogan and his state controlled media likes to claim over a man who I'm convinced didn't do anything and actualy tries to talk sense ? oh wait .... yeah I forgot. As long as it even just scratches US bashing it's okay ....
Hypocricy much guys .... ?
Sorry, just a bit upset about it.
It's becoming more and more apparent that it was all staged. Literaly all Turks I have contact to state the soldiers on the streets had either no idea why they were ordered into the city or said it was exercises. I like how people take the fact that everyone surrendered in a matter of hours for granted. Maybe because they realised what was actualy going on and defused the charade
The recent events are also a testimony to it. This was long planned to purge Erdogan's enemies from all important civil institutions, military and the very police force that disarmed the "coup" participants. Such purge lists like that judge affair don't simply pop up out of nowhere the second day a supposed coup d'etat has failed like c'mon who are you taking for retarded. Erdogan was planning to do this for a very long time evidently and considering how much lives were lost, this was a very calculating and ruthless manouver for which mostly the military is paying now. For having followed gov orders. Ofc other people, left and right will be blamed to have "masterminded" that coup. All events that serve the regime will be executed now without restrains.
Gulen, that old man they keep accusing and desperately trying to get extradicted for years, also sending him death threats. - they keep accusing that guy for literaly everything they see fitting since I know lol I take his word for granted 100 times more than Erdogan and he was never for any violent solutions, less a military coup while having his reservations against Turkey's current regime. Why would you suddenly swallow what murderous Erdogan and his state controlled media likes to claim over a man who I'm convinced didn't do anything and actualy tries to talk sense ? oh wait .... yeah I forgot. As long as it even just scratches US bashing it's okay ....
Hypocricy much guys .... ?
Sorry, just a bit upset about it.
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Turkish Ambassador lashes out at NATO
11.08.2016 20:05 International SigmaLive
Turkey’s ambassador to Moscow has fired at NATO, saying the alliance cannot dictate Ankara’s foreign policy, reports said on Thursday.
Meanwhile, Turkey’s foreign minister reiterated that his country has options outside of NATO when it comes to defence cooperation.
Turkish Ambassador Umit Yardim made his comments after a meeting between Turkish President Tayyip Erdogan and President Vladimir Putin in St. Petersburg on Tuesday.
The two heads of state were trying to improve diplomatic relations between the two countries, which hit rock bottom after Turkey shot down a Russian warplane over Syria in November.
“In no way can NATO limit our contacts with other countries... It means NATO has no right to dictate its terms and tell us who we should or should not meet and communicate with,” Yardim said on Thursday, as cited by RIA Novosti.
However, Yardim said that Turkey was open to having good relations with everyone, including the EU, and Ankara still had aspirations of joining the bloc.
“We are not thinking about leaving NATO and there is no talk about us abandoning dialogue with the EU. This is merely speculation,” Yardim said, according to TASS. He did stress, however, that Turkey will “conduct its own independent foreign policy.”
Meanwhile, Turkish Foreign Minister Mevlut Cavusoglu delivered another strong rebuke to the alliance, saying that Ankara could consider options outside of NATO in terms of defense cooperation.
In an interview with the Anadolu news agency on Wednesday, Cavusoglu said that Turkey and Russia will look to establish a joint military, intelligence, and diplomatic mechanism, while maintaining that this would not come at the expense of good relations with NATO.
“Turkey wanted to cooperate with NATO members up to this point,” the minister said. “But the results we got did not satisfy us. Therefore, it is natural to look for other options. But we don’t see this as a move against NATO,” he told Anadolu.
NATO has reacted with caution to the rapprochement between Moscow and Ankara, saying that Turkey’s membership in the alliance is not in question.
Source: RT
- See more at: http://www.sigmalive.com/en/news/international/147773/turkish-ambassador-lashes-out-at-nato?#.dpuf
11.08.2016 20:05 International SigmaLive
Turkey’s ambassador to Moscow has fired at NATO, saying the alliance cannot dictate Ankara’s foreign policy, reports said on Thursday.
Meanwhile, Turkey’s foreign minister reiterated that his country has options outside of NATO when it comes to defence cooperation.
Turkish Ambassador Umit Yardim made his comments after a meeting between Turkish President Tayyip Erdogan and President Vladimir Putin in St. Petersburg on Tuesday.
The two heads of state were trying to improve diplomatic relations between the two countries, which hit rock bottom after Turkey shot down a Russian warplane over Syria in November.
“In no way can NATO limit our contacts with other countries... It means NATO has no right to dictate its terms and tell us who we should or should not meet and communicate with,” Yardim said on Thursday, as cited by RIA Novosti.
However, Yardim said that Turkey was open to having good relations with everyone, including the EU, and Ankara still had aspirations of joining the bloc.
“We are not thinking about leaving NATO and there is no talk about us abandoning dialogue with the EU. This is merely speculation,” Yardim said, according to TASS. He did stress, however, that Turkey will “conduct its own independent foreign policy.”
Meanwhile, Turkish Foreign Minister Mevlut Cavusoglu delivered another strong rebuke to the alliance, saying that Ankara could consider options outside of NATO in terms of defense cooperation.
In an interview with the Anadolu news agency on Wednesday, Cavusoglu said that Turkey and Russia will look to establish a joint military, intelligence, and diplomatic mechanism, while maintaining that this would not come at the expense of good relations with NATO.
“Turkey wanted to cooperate with NATO members up to this point,” the minister said. “But the results we got did not satisfy us. Therefore, it is natural to look for other options. But we don’t see this as a move against NATO,” he told Anadolu.
NATO has reacted with caution to the rapprochement between Moscow and Ankara, saying that Turkey’s membership in the alliance is not in question.
Source: RT
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Turkey prepares defence plan with Russia, worrying NATO
By Dan Alexe
Contributing Editor, New Europe
Seeming to confirm NATO’s worst fears, Turkish foreign minister Mevlut Cavusoglu announced Wednesday that his country will establish a joint military, intelligence and diplomacy mechanism with Russia.
Speaking with the Turkish Anadolu press agency, Cavusoglu said the recent meeting between presidents Recep Tayyip Erdogan and Vladimir Putin had paved the way for closer ties following a nine-month freeze after the shooting down of a Russian warplane.
Cavusoglu said meetings will be held at ministerial level.
Erdogan’s trip to Russia and the revival of ties between Russia and Turkey have sparked concern that the NATO member is turning increasingly to the East as it feels rebuffed by the West over a host of issues such as EU membership and the West’s tepid response to the defeated July 15 coup.
Questioned about increased cooperation between the Turkish and Russian defense industries in the context of Turkey’s NATO role, Cavusoglu said Ankara had already established defense sector cooperation with non-NATO countries, including missile development.
“Turkey wanted to cooperate with NATO members up to this point,” the minister said. “But the results we got did not satisfy us. Therefore, it is natural to look for other options. But we don’t see this as a move against NATO.”
Referring to the Nov. 24 downing of a Russian warplane over the Turkey-Syria border by the Turkish Air Force, Cavusoglu explained that the Turkish pilots involved in the incident had been arrested on suspicion of being involved in the coup bid.
Turkey says the coup attempt was organized by supporters of U.S.-based cleric Fetullah Gulen and has called for his extradition, another source of Turkey’s exasperation with the West.
The shooting down of the Russian jet led to a freeze in relations, including economic sanctions and a bar on Russian tourism to Turkey that only thawed in June when Erdogan wrote to his counterpart and the two later spoke by telephone.
On June 30, Russia lifted a ban on tourist flights and Cavusoglu met Russian Foreign Minister Sergey Lavrov in the Russian city of Sochi on July 1.
Putin gave his support to Turkey over the coup attempt and said he stood by the elected government, offering his condolences to the victims of what Erdogan called the “most heinous” armed coup attempt in modern Turkish history.
Cavusoglu also touched on Turkish-Russian cooperation on Syria, where the two have supported opposing sides in the five-year civil war.
He said both governments agreed on introducing a cease-fire, providing humanitarian aid and finding a political solution.
“There may be different thoughts on how to apply the cease-fire,” he said. “We particularly do not want attacks that hurt civilians. We also do not approve of attacking the moderate opposition in Syria. We are also against the siege of Aleppo.”
Turning to the coup attempt, Cavusoglu said Turkey had no intelligence on the possibility of Gulen fleeing to another country, such as Egypt, in the face of a potential U.S. extradition.
Turkey’s foreign minister also stressed the importance of economic relations between Turkey and Russia, saying trading sanctions between the countries were being removed.
“Our trade volume has dropped 43 percent mutually in the last year. That total prices were down, the Russian ruble decreased in value, tourism and Turkey’s export levels went down can be shown as evidence,” Cavusoglu said. “We need to get those numbers up.”
“Our target in trade volume with Russia is $100billion. That is why Mr. Putin said he will lift the sanctions imposed on Turkish products. It includes food and agricultural products, as well as automotive sector,” he added.
Turkey’s foreign minister also said that Putin asked Erdogan to take measures on products that are embargoed by Russia, but still reaches the country via Turkey.
“We will continue our embargo to these countries,” Cavusoglu said. “We won’t let this happen. Why would another country’s products reach Russia, instead of our own?”
The foreign minister also reminded that discussion underway to restart the charter flights, which was interrupted following the jet crisis.
When asked about the latest on the energy projects between Turkey and Russia, Cavusoglu said the Akkuyu nuclear power plant process “will be accelerated.”
Erdogan has announced that the Akkuyu nuclear power plant project in Mersin province, southern Turkey, would be granted strategic investment status.
In a 2010 agreement Russia said it would help construct and operate Turkey’s first nuclear power plant, which is expected to produce around 35 billion kilowatt-hours per year and cost around $25 billion.
“We will also initiate Turkish Stream works as soon as possible and make necessary and additional agreements accordingly,” Cavusoglu said.
Announced by Putin in Dec. 2014, the ‘Turkish Stream’ pipeline will carry Russian gas via the Black Sea and Turkey to southeastern Europe. The project was shelved following the November jet crisis.
Turkey, which is the second biggest consumer of Russian gas after Germany, imports around 30 billion cubic meters of gas from Russia annually via two pipelines; the Blue Stream and the western line. The private sector in Turkey imports 10 billion cubic meters (bcm) of natural gas per year, representing over 30 percent of Russia’s gas exports to Turkey.
Upon a question on Turkish-Russian joint investment funds, Cavusoglu said the idea came up during the Erdogan-Putin meeting to pave the way for businesspeople to take over major projects.
“Turkish businessmen have investments in Russia and Russian businessmen want to make business with Turkish businessmen in several countries,” Cavusoglu said. “The project will pave the way for both countries’ businessmen.” (with Anadolu, AP, Reuters)
https://www.neweurope.eu/article/turkey-prepares-defence-plan-russia-worrying-nato/
By Dan Alexe
Contributing Editor, New Europe
Seeming to confirm NATO’s worst fears, Turkish foreign minister Mevlut Cavusoglu announced Wednesday that his country will establish a joint military, intelligence and diplomacy mechanism with Russia.
Speaking with the Turkish Anadolu press agency, Cavusoglu said the recent meeting between presidents Recep Tayyip Erdogan and Vladimir Putin had paved the way for closer ties following a nine-month freeze after the shooting down of a Russian warplane.
Cavusoglu said meetings will be held at ministerial level.
Erdogan’s trip to Russia and the revival of ties between Russia and Turkey have sparked concern that the NATO member is turning increasingly to the East as it feels rebuffed by the West over a host of issues such as EU membership and the West’s tepid response to the defeated July 15 coup.
Questioned about increased cooperation between the Turkish and Russian defense industries in the context of Turkey’s NATO role, Cavusoglu said Ankara had already established defense sector cooperation with non-NATO countries, including missile development.
“Turkey wanted to cooperate with NATO members up to this point,” the minister said. “But the results we got did not satisfy us. Therefore, it is natural to look for other options. But we don’t see this as a move against NATO.”
Referring to the Nov. 24 downing of a Russian warplane over the Turkey-Syria border by the Turkish Air Force, Cavusoglu explained that the Turkish pilots involved in the incident had been arrested on suspicion of being involved in the coup bid.
Turkey says the coup attempt was organized by supporters of U.S.-based cleric Fetullah Gulen and has called for his extradition, another source of Turkey’s exasperation with the West.
The shooting down of the Russian jet led to a freeze in relations, including economic sanctions and a bar on Russian tourism to Turkey that only thawed in June when Erdogan wrote to his counterpart and the two later spoke by telephone.
On June 30, Russia lifted a ban on tourist flights and Cavusoglu met Russian Foreign Minister Sergey Lavrov in the Russian city of Sochi on July 1.
Putin gave his support to Turkey over the coup attempt and said he stood by the elected government, offering his condolences to the victims of what Erdogan called the “most heinous” armed coup attempt in modern Turkish history.
Cavusoglu also touched on Turkish-Russian cooperation on Syria, where the two have supported opposing sides in the five-year civil war.
He said both governments agreed on introducing a cease-fire, providing humanitarian aid and finding a political solution.
“There may be different thoughts on how to apply the cease-fire,” he said. “We particularly do not want attacks that hurt civilians. We also do not approve of attacking the moderate opposition in Syria. We are also against the siege of Aleppo.”
Turning to the coup attempt, Cavusoglu said Turkey had no intelligence on the possibility of Gulen fleeing to another country, such as Egypt, in the face of a potential U.S. extradition.
Turkey’s foreign minister also stressed the importance of economic relations between Turkey and Russia, saying trading sanctions between the countries were being removed.
“Our trade volume has dropped 43 percent mutually in the last year. That total prices were down, the Russian ruble decreased in value, tourism and Turkey’s export levels went down can be shown as evidence,” Cavusoglu said. “We need to get those numbers up.”
“Our target in trade volume with Russia is $100billion. That is why Mr. Putin said he will lift the sanctions imposed on Turkish products. It includes food and agricultural products, as well as automotive sector,” he added.
Turkey’s foreign minister also said that Putin asked Erdogan to take measures on products that are embargoed by Russia, but still reaches the country via Turkey.
“We will continue our embargo to these countries,” Cavusoglu said. “We won’t let this happen. Why would another country’s products reach Russia, instead of our own?”
The foreign minister also reminded that discussion underway to restart the charter flights, which was interrupted following the jet crisis.
When asked about the latest on the energy projects between Turkey and Russia, Cavusoglu said the Akkuyu nuclear power plant process “will be accelerated.”
Erdogan has announced that the Akkuyu nuclear power plant project in Mersin province, southern Turkey, would be granted strategic investment status.
In a 2010 agreement Russia said it would help construct and operate Turkey’s first nuclear power plant, which is expected to produce around 35 billion kilowatt-hours per year and cost around $25 billion.
“We will also initiate Turkish Stream works as soon as possible and make necessary and additional agreements accordingly,” Cavusoglu said.
Announced by Putin in Dec. 2014, the ‘Turkish Stream’ pipeline will carry Russian gas via the Black Sea and Turkey to southeastern Europe. The project was shelved following the November jet crisis.
Turkey, which is the second biggest consumer of Russian gas after Germany, imports around 30 billion cubic meters of gas from Russia annually via two pipelines; the Blue Stream and the western line. The private sector in Turkey imports 10 billion cubic meters (bcm) of natural gas per year, representing over 30 percent of Russia’s gas exports to Turkey.
Upon a question on Turkish-Russian joint investment funds, Cavusoglu said the idea came up during the Erdogan-Putin meeting to pave the way for businesspeople to take over major projects.
“Turkish businessmen have investments in Russia and Russian businessmen want to make business with Turkish businessmen in several countries,” Cavusoglu said. “The project will pave the way for both countries’ businessmen.” (with Anadolu, AP, Reuters)
https://www.neweurope.eu/article/turkey-prepares-defence-plan-russia-worrying-nato/
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Turkish FM: NATO's Inaction Forces Ankara to Develop Military Ties With Russia
http://sputniknews.com/interviews/20160818/1044406014/turkey-cavusoglu-exclusive-interview.html?
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Turkey is playing a dangerous game. Time to remember this:
Putin Threatens Turkey & Saudi Arabia with Tactical Nuclear Response to Syrian Ground Invasion
February 22, 2016
A source close to Russian President Vladimir Putin has informed award-winning journalist Robert Parry that Putin has warned Turkey that any attempted ground invasion of Syria will be met with the defensive use of tactical nuclear weapons on the battlefield.
A tactical nuclear weapon also known as non-strategic nuclear weapon refers to a nuclear weapon which is designed to be used on a battlefield in military situations.
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As Vice President Joe Biden pointed out during a speech at Harvard in 2014, that Turkey and Saudi Arabia had “poured hundreds of millions of dollars and thousands of tons of weapons into anyone who would fight against [Syrian President Bashar al-] Assad,” going on to point out that “the people who were being supplied were Al Nusra and Al Qaeda and the extremist elements of jihadis coming from other parts of the world.”
According to the report, written by Parry, for Consortium News:
If Turkey (with hundreds of thousands of troops massed near the Syrian border) and Saudi Arabia (with its sophisticated air force) follow through on threats and intervene militarily to save their rebel clients, who include Al Qaeda’s Nusra Front, from a powerful Russian-backed Syrian government offensive, then Russia will have to decide what to do to protect its 20,000 or so military personnel inside Syria.
A source close to Russian President Vladimir Putin told me that the Russians have warned Turkish President Recep Tayyip Erdogan that Moscow is prepared to use tactical nuclear weapons if necessary to save their troops in the face of a Turkish-Saudi onslaught. Since Turkey is a member of NATO, any such conflict could quickly escalate into a full-scale nuclear confrontation.
The Russian threat to use tactical nukes in the event of a joint Turkish-Saudi invasion should be taken extremely seriously given the duo’s recent failed attempts to garner U.S. support for a ground invasion under the guise of aiding refugees and assisting “moderate rebels.” In reality, this is simply a non-threatening label for the group’s preferred Islamic extremist organizations in the Syrian theater of war.
Moscow’s warning comes on the heels of Saudi Foreign Minister Adel al-Jubeir telling CNN that Syrian President Assad must be removed “by force” if a diplomatic solution fails.
The reality in Syria is that the Russian intervention has decimated all insurgent groups on the ground and helped solidify the internationally recognized government’s control over the war-torn country, much to the chagrin of the Western-AngloZionist/GCC coalition actively supporting regime change.
http://thefreethoughtproject.com/putin-warns-turkssaudis-russian-tactical-nuclear-response-ground-invasion/
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We all know military coup attempt in Turkey and we all know US goverment did the attempt
And what you guys thinking about Nato and Turkey ?
Im from turkey and i think US is not friend of turkey
And what you guys thinking about Nato and Turkey ?
Im from turkey and i think US is not friend of turkey
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KKTC wrote:We all know military coup attempt in Turkey and we all know US goverment did the attempt
And what you guys thinking about Nato and Turkey ?
Im from turkey and i think US is not friend of turkey
No that wont happen, Erdogun is playing a double game here, right now he's playing of both sides to get what he wants, but he wont go so far as to leave NATO because that prevents other NATO members from confronting him, after all NATO needs to maintain the delusion that they're some sort of unified force, in short, if the U.S were to attack Turkey then NATO would cease to exist.
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AlfaT8 wrote:KKTC wrote:We all know military coup attempt in Turkey and we all know US goverment did the attempt
And what you guys thinking about Nato and Turkey ?
Im from turkey and i think US is not friend of turkey
No that wont happen, Erdogun is playing a double game here, right now he's playing of both sides to get what he wants, but he wont go so far as to leave NATO because that prevents other NATO members from confronting him, after all NATO needs to maintain the delusion that they're some sort of unified force, in short, if the U.S were to attack Turkey then NATO would cease to exist.
İf turkey out nato there will be only usa left
And i think we out nato and play with russia because turkey only trust russia we see all eu and nato countrys after the coup attempt and russia
well russia and turkey need eacother than the other countrys in eu we are neighbours we are going to russia to study or visit they come to turkey and we need eachother and peace for russia and turkey
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