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    Serbian Defence Industry and Arms Exports

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    Post  AlfaT8 Tue Jul 14, 2015 12:51 am

    PapaDragon wrote:From what I can tell turret will be easiest part because it looks like it is comprised of components that are already available. Some in prototype form, others as off the shelf products.

    Rest of it might be trickier but it is doable. Main difficulty will be getting douchebags in MoD to sign orders. Our defence firms have loads of stuff ready to go: new MRLS, MRAPs, MANPADS, ATGMs, drones,SAMs... list goes on.

    Tech is not the problem, getting politicians to shell out the cash is angry

    I would love to see this project taking off. It will never be near Armata but it is not supposed to. It will be more than good enough for Serbia and other countries in our weight class.

    Our guys are long overdue for some shopping and they definitely deserve this new hog. thumbsup
    Ooh PD, don't you get it, it doesn't matter how many top of the line great quality weapons these Serbian defence firms shell out, in the end there politicians will never buy, they are simply waiting for these firms to collapse so they can allow there EU/U.S overlords to buy them of, and then say we have to join NATO/EU look at how broken our industry is. Rolling Eyes
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    Post  Ranxerox71 Thu Jul 16, 2015 10:11 pm

    PapaDragon wrote:
    higurashihougi wrote:Dunno if anyone has posted it

    http://sputniknews.com/europe/20150710/1024464826.html

    Serbia Develops State-of-the-Art, Armata-Style Battle Tank

    Serbia has presented a concept of the М-20UP-1, the country's "tank of the future", at the Partner 2015 military exhibition in Belgrade. Designers said that they were inspired by the Russian-made Armata tank when developing the М-20UP-1, according to the Serbian news website Vecernje Novosti Online.

    The project cost of the production of one M-20UP-1 stands at five million euros.

    Goran Stojanovic, head of the working group to develop the tank, said that the М-20UP-1 will not compete with the Armata tank.

    "Our tank will be closer to the [Russian-made] T-90 tank in terms of combat capabilities. We are short of money, and our economic potential is not developed enough to let us compete with the Russians. But by using a design [resembling] those of advanced tanks across the world, we have developed the weapon of the future: cheap, modern and efficient," Stojanovic said.

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    From what I can tell turret will be easiest part because it looks like it is comprised of components that are already available. Some in prototype form, others as off the shelf products.

    Rest of it might be trickier but it is doable. Main difficulty will be getting douchebags in MoD to sign orders. Our defence firms have loads of stuff ready to go: new MRLS, MRAPs, MANPADS, ATGMs, drones,SAMs... list goes on.

    Tech is not the problem, getting politicians to shell out the cash is angry

    I would love to see this project taking off. It will never be near Armata but it is not supposed to. It will be more than good enough for Serbia and other countries in our weight class.

    Our guys are long overdue for some shopping and they definitely deserve this new hog. thumbsup

    That what is represented like NEW SERBIAN TANK exist only in the mind and drawing tables of some too enthusiastic, disconnected whit economic reality persone in serbia:face: , and many other things ...to be funniest lesser problem of all other is good engineers and extremely good practician which will be capable to make everything , but Facillity , Tools , Money and more less, except Meteo sensor and few others, like is modern (SUV) or Sight-Vision-System for Fire(shooting) Control ;from various type of visions, to the systems like is Hunter _killer , then APS, etc, actually all highly sophisticated Sensors,For example for some kind of APS, APS it self, Sight-Vision-Shooting management system also if not whole, then some of main parts also must be imported, which by default is unsustainable dependence when comes to the importance of weapon system like is MBT. which altogether means, Even that Money will appear, and if Serbian engineers wish to made 99% Serbian , Highly modern and war worthy weapon systems in shape of MBT, that process will be last at list 4 years for first "self propelled" prototype. Only in case of making some kind cooperation whit Croatia and Slovenia, today can be possible to made something which would not be just another modernisation of T72, Croatian also isn't capable to made serial production of brand new from scratch making MBT,Neither Slovenia, Together will be possible.
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    Post  PapaDragon Thu Jul 16, 2015 10:20 pm

    [quote="Ranxerox71"]
    PapaDragon wrote:...................................

    That  what is represented like NEW SERBIAN TANK exist only in the mind and drawing tables of some too enthusiastic, disconnected whit economic reality persone in serbia:face: , and many other things ...to be funniest lesser problem of all other is good engineers and extremely good practician  which will be capable to make everything , but Facillity , Tools , Money and more less, except Meteo sensor and few others, like is modern (SUV) or Sight-Vision-System for Fire(shooting) Control ;from various type of visions, to the systems like is Hunter _killer , then APS, etc, actually all highly sophisticated Sensors,For example for some kind of APS, APS it self, Sight-Vision-Shooting management system also if not whole, then some of main parts also must be imported, which by default is unsustainable dependence when comes to the importance of weapon system like is MBT. which altogether means, Even that Money will appear, and if Serbian engineers wish to made 99% Serbian , Highly modern and war worthy weapon systems in shape of MBT, that process will be last at list 4 years for first "self propelled" prototype. Only in case of making some kind cooperation whit Croatia and Slovenia, today can be possible to made something which would not be just another modernisation of T72, Croatian also isn't capable to made serial production of brand new from scratch making MBT,Neither Slovenia, Together will be possible.    

    I am fully aware of everything you just said. Don't kill the messenger...
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    Post  Guest Thu Sep 03, 2015 7:01 am

    Mike E wrote:True... Serbia could also perform an indigenous upgrade with a longer barrel and higher pressure chamber. Though once again, everything boils down to the ammunition. Unless they get their hands on Vacuum (which they... absolutely shouldn't), Serbia will be stuck with older rounds or the process of developing a new one.

    For the export market this vehicle will be a game changer, especially if Russia witholds the export of T-14 for a while.

    Sadly i doubt there is any chance of getting funds for Serbian tank fleet update even regular overhauls and maintenance are in question atm due to fact many factories that produced spares for them do not exist anymore, or they are abroad in ex Yugoslav republics, some changed field of work, some disappeared... etc. And from what i saw on Serbian forums regarding this "independent development" of a "new" tank its just some journalists imagination sadly.
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    Post  Guest Sun Sep 27, 2015 3:49 am

    George1 wrote:Serbian Ministry of Defense announced the offer for sale of a large number of weapons, military equipment and ammunition.

    http://bmpd.livejournal.com/1172072.html

    Some pics of...."equipment" that is part of that whole batch. Not all of it is in this horrid condition but...

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    And some video:



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    Post  George1 Sun Sep 27, 2015 3:55 am

    from the photos i doubt that they will find any clients.. Smile
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    Post  Admin Sun Sep 27, 2015 6:47 am

    They couldn't be bothered to warehouse it...
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    Post  Guest Sun Sep 27, 2015 7:11 am

    Vladimir79 wrote:They couldn't be bothered to warehouse it...

    There are many items in alot better condition than those you can see here:

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    However reality is that alot of equipment lacked good storage facilities due to bombing in 1999. and that Serbia pulled alot of equipment from Croatia and Bosnia which overcrowded existing facilities on Serbian soil. So we got stuff like this happening:

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    Last couple of years situation got better, they built few new storage facilities, and destroyed older obsolete ammunition but i belive still plenty of decommisioned vehicles and equipment sets are rotting like this on some random field. Thanks God at least explosives are not just laying around.

    Few pics of new or repaired storage facilities under command of Central Logistic Base:

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    Biggest issue with Serbian Armed Forces is lack of money, huge lack of money actually.


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    Post  sepheronx Sun Sep 27, 2015 8:35 am

    Maybe so, but as Shoigu had done to Emercom, as long as there is a will, there is a way even with a small budget.

    That said, Serbia has a F ton of weapons still left over.
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    Post  Guest Wed Nov 04, 2015 2:21 am

    Serbian heavy anti-material sniper rifle M93 "Crna Strela" (Black Arrow) has been "exported" in certain quantities to Peshmerga, apparently it looks like it was done via legit sources (NATO requested?):

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    More about rifle itself: http://www.zastava-arms.rs/en/militaryproduct/long-range-rifle-m93-black-arrow
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    Post  Guest Wed Dec 16, 2015 10:44 am

    http://www.partner.mod.gov.rs/partner2015.pdf

    Partner 2015. Arms Expo promo material.
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    Post  Guest Mon Jan 11, 2016 1:41 pm

    New Yugoimport SDPR integrator company fast boat.

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    12 m long
    3,35 m wide
    80 km/h speed with full equipment and men
    1.000 KS engine x2
    armor protection, radar, navigation equipment, thermovision, day/night camera

    Armament:
    Main gun 20 mm
    Two grenade launchers 30 mm
    HMG 12,7 mm
    Two light machine guns 7,62 mm



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    Lazar 2 MRAP/MRAV Hybrid armored vehicle.
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    Serbian Nora B52K1 155mm howtizer.
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    Post  George1 Sat Jan 16, 2016 3:10 am

    there was a 8x8 APC/MRAP vechile. What happened to this? Isnt serbian army interested?
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    Post  Guest Sat Jan 16, 2016 3:16 am

    George1 wrote:there was a 8x8 APC/MRAP vechile. What happened to this? Isnt serbian army interested?

    I belive you are refering to Lazar 1, this here in video is Lazar 2, further improvement of the original design, since Lazar 1 did not pass Serbian army Technical Institute trials and there were no foreign orders.

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    Serbian army is interested atm in Lazar 2, but again Technical Institute has its own doubts on the design...which is based on truck and has certain lacking design features.
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    Post  George1 Sat Jan 16, 2016 3:20 am

    yes this i meant. Thanks, interesting info.
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    History of Serbian defence industry.
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    Testing of first factory prototype SORA 122mm howtizer which is basically D30 being placed on truck and autoloader. Autoloader is quite unique due to its "revolver" design.

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    Beside this simplier design SORA there is more advanced and capable variant dubbed SOKO which also features armored cabin and couple other design improvements.
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    Serbian Technical Overhaul Institute from Čačak.
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    Post  Guest Thu Feb 18, 2016 2:18 pm

    Photos taken by me on 03.27.2012 in Užice, Serbia. Parade and small technical showcase for Serbian army day. Among photos you have devices developed and marketed by Yugoimport SDPR for international and domestic market.

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    Video of Serbian engineers, mechanics and officers which participated in M84s maintenance in Kuwait, rare, old and almost impossible video to find.
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    Shell forging center of Yugoimport SDPR. Capable of forging shells in diameter from 60 to 155mm.
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    "Partner 2011" military expo in Belgrade:

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    More from "Partner 2011" expo:

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